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Denard 'Shoelace' Robinson and his Chris Johnson potential (2 Viewers)
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Mr. Retukes
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FUBAR
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jurb26
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I know it was the Browns. I know the Browns run D is terrible. Still, Robinson looked good yesterday. He looked like the clear best back on the team and significantly better than Gerhart ever looked. Granted, Gerhart never played the Browns.
None the less, I thought Robinson ran with far better power and decisiveness than I could expect. His quickness was apparent and he used it several times to find hidden yardage in tight space IMO. I don't think he's a good enough back to be a starter long term but he is the best back on Jax right now.
None the less, I thought Robinson ran with far better power and decisiveness than I could expect. His quickness was apparent and he used it several times to find hidden yardage in tight space IMO. I don't think he's a good enough back to be a starter long term but he is the best back on Jax right now.
SaintsInDome2006
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Fwiw the Browns have played some split backfields like NO and BAL I think every team has run for 100+ yards against them. And they were also missing three starting linemen (IIRC).
MAC_32
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too many holes on the rest of the jags roster to spend high picks on backs.
Fireinside
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Too many forum members thinking they know what the heck is going to happen in draft next year ( I doubt the Jaguars don't know either, so how can we? )
jurb26
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The Jags need to add talent. I'd say oline has to be a priority but other than that BPA seems like a reasonable approach. It's not that hard to envision that BPA being a RB in round 2 or 3 and that guy could easily be the best runner on the team depending who's available.
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MAC_32
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they aren't thinking about it now nor should they, but that's not the point.
MAC_32
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they need play makers on defense and better depth everywhere, rb is arguably the easiest position to add depth cheaply.
Jerry Curl
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Who cares about long term, a season is happening now and he has relevance at this moment.
jurb26
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Dynasty players care about long term. I'm sure everyone reading this isn't just redraft.
MAC_32
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yep, gotta figure out if you're looking to sell or hold.
FUBAR
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the linemen part is big. But guess which team ran for the most yards against the Browns this year? (granted, they also passed for the fewest yards)
Why didn't Denard catch a pass?
Otis
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Lots of young, very athletic and dynamic talent on the offensive side of the ball there. Bortles, the receivers. Robinson is a special talent, a special athlete, and they went out of their way to figure out where he might best be utilized among multiple positions. They just are trying to find a reason to get him on the field. He finally gets his chance, gets over 20 carries, and what happens? First win of the season. Yes it was CLE, but the point is that he looked good, and they got good results, and so you have to think he's going to consistently be a big part of the game plan in the coming weeks.
I think it's going to be really interesting. Kid has crazy talent.
I think it's going to be really interesting. Kid has crazy talent.
Boone22
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From Rotoworkd...
When asked if Denard Robinson will keep the feature back job, coach Gus Bradley said, "Yeah, I think so."
Coaches are loathe to make depth chart declarations, especially right after games. But Bradley had to at least suggest he'd give it up for Shoelace after a 22-127-1 outing as the starter. When Toby Gerhart returns from his foot injury, he'll slide into a complementary role along with Storm Johnson. Gerhart has been a drop candidate in 10- and 12-team leagues for a few weeks now.
When asked if Denard Robinson will keep the feature back job, coach Gus Bradley said, "Yeah, I think so."
Coaches are loathe to make depth chart declarations, especially right after games. But Bradley had to at least suggest he'd give it up for Shoelace after a 22-127-1 outing as the starter. When Toby Gerhart returns from his foot injury, he'll slide into a complementary role along with Storm Johnson. Gerhart has been a drop candidate in 10- and 12-team leagues for a few weeks now.
JFS171
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In dynasty it's an interesting call... we know he *can* catch the ball out of the backfield, but didn't yesterday. Looked pretty good running it though, and for the Browns run D being poor, the Jags o-line mediocrity (which is probably being generous) likely mitigates the poor run D.
I've held Robinson since the preseason based on the news that he was up to 212 lbs. We saw the vision and skills as a runner in his college days. Nerve issue and a lack of position clarity obviously stunted his growth rookie year, but he's worked very hard in the offseason to put himself in this position.
He consistently outplayed Todman this preseason to put himself in line to be Gerhart's caddy/ COP back. He's now getting a shot to show he's more than that and clearly produced on day 1. I'm definitely willing to hold and see what happens against Miami, though I do realize now may be the best sell window you'll get with Miami, Cinci, and Dallas due up before the bye.
I've held Robinson since the preseason based on the news that he was up to 212 lbs. We saw the vision and skills as a runner in his college days. Nerve issue and a lack of position clarity obviously stunted his growth rookie year, but he's worked very hard in the offseason to put himself in this position.
He consistently outplayed Todman this preseason to put himself in line to be Gerhart's caddy/ COP back. He's now getting a shot to show he's more than that and clearly produced on day 1. I'm definitely willing to hold and see what happens against Miami, though I do realize now may be the best sell window you'll get with Miami, Cinci, and Dallas due up before the bye.
Otis
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What's with the comment at the end that it's "unlikely" that he won't be the starter over Gerhart going forward? Really?Faust said:
I'll never understand what has possessed people to believe Gerhart is this special running back. He's a stop gap. The Jags now finally have the potential for something special. No way does Gerhart get in the way of that.
JFS171
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BeTheMatch
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tdhartis
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The full quote FWIW:
Coach Gus Bradley hinted Monday that Robinson could be the team's top running back in the weeks to come, though he did hold out some hope for the man Robinson replaced. "Yeah, I think so," said Bradley, per The Florida Times-Union's Vito Stellino. "We'll look at the film. He did a good job and we hope to get Toby back."
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FUBAR
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Could be a decent speed/power combo but Robinson should be the lead back unless he shows otherwise.
T with T
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ghostguy123
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yeah, if Robinson got hurt yesterday Toby is still a drop.
Cant figure out whether or not to blow a good chunk of waiver bucks on this guy. Gut says no
Banger
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yes. Had Gerhart and dropped him a week or two back. Was hopeful for him but they were clearly looking for a better option...gave Storm the first shot and the Denard the 2nd shot and he hit. Gerhart's "value" was that there was no one else on the roster and that he was going to get 20+ carries/game...that's clearly not going to happen.
Last year, TB was a dumpster fire but Rainey came out of nowhere to have some really good value down the stretch....you never know when the situation, player, schedule combine to give you some great value. The probability isn't high but you have to keep putting your chips down on these situations and see how they turn out.
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Jerry Curl
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Robinson is going to be the WW add of the year based of his potential and how Jacksonville will use him. I have seen a lot of Michigan games and Denard is the type of player who is the best and fastest player on the field if he does not have to throw the ball. He will play threw those injuries he does get since he is fragile but he is a gamer.
The way he bounces it outside looks like CJ and Charles, but in no way does he deserve the comparison of talent just yet. The fact you can slide him in at WR is a pretty nice piece of value in itself. Remember how Colston helped many by starting a WR at the TE position..
The way he bounces it outside looks like CJ and Charles, but in no way does he deserve the comparison of talent just yet. The fact you can slide him in at WR is a pretty nice piece of value in itself. Remember how Colston helped many by starting a WR at the TE position..
Ketamine Dreams
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I was very surprised I got him off waivers in my dynasty overnight as I had a low waiver pick. I don't think many people are buying the hype on him, and even I'm unsure what to make of it. I assume most people are sitting him against a pretty solid Dolphins D this week? Are we just watching to see if his performance is a trend or mirage? Idk.I have a hard time believing he will maintain this.
Gopher State
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TartanLion
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Scooped him up off the free agent pool this morning as no one bit during waivers. Dropped Jeremy Hill for him. Actually scooped up Bryce Brown as well after missing out on Mason. Planning on sitting on Robinson this week to see how it plays out and likewise with Brown.
I've gone from 3-0 to 3-4 this past month thanks to RB/QB trouble and some very bad luck but there's the old adage of if you don't buy lottery tickets you can't win the lottery. Unless you are loaded in depth at RB, you've got to play a game of carousels at the bottom of your depth and try and find something that turns to gold. No idea if Robinson will be that, but for right right now he has a higher chance than many others and that is worth it alone.
I've gone from 3-0 to 3-4 this past month thanks to RB/QB trouble and some very bad luck but there's the old adage of if you don't buy lottery tickets you can't win the lottery. Unless you are loaded in depth at RB, you've got to play a game of carousels at the bottom of your depth and try and find something that turns to gold. No idea if Robinson will be that, but for right right now he has a higher chance than many others and that is worth it alone.
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Ryan Swope's Pro Career
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So for those of us in Yahoo leagues, or other formats where he can count as either a WR or a RB, where does he have more value? Is the consistency of the RB position enough to vault him into very high upside WR3 status, or is his situation so fluid that one should start their less flexible pure WR options?
Joe Summer
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Robinson had the best performance of any running back against the Browns this year. Cleveland's defense isn't great, but it had never allowed 120 rushing yards before Robinson.
I Am the Stig
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I had Patterson and Harvin as my WR's so I skuttled them grabbed Beckham Jr. And picked up Robinson to fill in as a WR during the bye week. I have RBs so I'm starting 4 of them this way.
The way my WR2 has been, I'll take 8 points from Robinson.
Dr. Octopus
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The Football Freak
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Some things to keep in mind. First, Caldwell has always had a man-crush on Denard. He hasn't hidden it, and he wanted him on the field right away. It didn't pan out then, but Caldwell wants him to get a shot at it every day, and twice on Sunday. I would imagine his leash is as long as Caldwell can covince Bradley to make it. Second, position switches are tough, but Denard looked like a man who was getting it this preseason. Third, much like Edelman, Denard had to bulk up and work to enhance his elusiveness, athletcism and toughness. While you can't say he is all the way there yet, the man looks much more like a RB than a fast QB trying to play RB. His build will help him to stay healthier, and hopefully absorb the extra punishment he gets as an NFL RB. Anyway, my .02.
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Joe Summer
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He's a horse but Yahoo lists him as Horse/Cow.
Remember when Jacksonville's gameplan coming into the season was 30 touches per game to Gerhart? This team prepped to run all day, and now Robinson has shown that he's capable of doing just that. I took a flyer on him this week, because if he does it again, that's what the rest of the Jacksonville season should look like. Run run run! Of course, if he doesn't do it again this coming week, the Jags are back to dumpsville.
jacksonville's oL is actually playing better. FWIW>
JFS171
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I would also add that I think people also are quick to look at his measurables on ESPN and the Jags website and dismiss him as a COP guy, where he's somehow listed as 6'0" and 197lbs. At the combine he was 5'10" 199lbs. How'd he grow 2 inches and lose 3 lbs? Draft Scout lists him as 5104 in height (5'10.5" -- definitely not 6'0") and 199 from the combine. It was also widely reported this preseason that Denard was up to 212 lbs... so 5'10.5", 212lbs isn't the same as 6'0", 197lbs. They've got his 40 at 4.34 (faster than I even realized and faster than the NFL combine results site shows -- 4.43; though I've heard the NFL revises 40 times and Draft Scout updates them) with a 1.55 10-yard split. His vert was 36.5" and his broad was 10' 3". 7.09 3-cone; 4.22 short shuttle.
For comparison (from a combination of Draft Scout and Mock Draftable):
Prospect A
Height - 5' 9 1/4"
Weight - 199
40-time - 4.52 (pro-day)
10-yard - 1.56
Vert - 34"
Broad - 10' 2"
3-cone - not completed
Short Shuttle - not completed
That's another unheralded guy who finally got a shot and is exploding right now -- Andre Ellington. I'm not saying Robinson is Ellington, but from a metrics perspective they're pretty close. Denard is taller and a bit thicker (Ellington might be as well after a year in the league), but on paper, by the numbers, they were similar RBs.
That PFF stat from above about Denard having the 4th highest percentage of his runs going for 3+ yards is huge IMO. That tells me he's not a guy boosting the efficiency stats with one home run in 10 attempts. He's consistently grinding out yardage, and still has the threat for the big one.
Jacksonville, which public perception hasn't caught up to yet, isn't a stupid franchise - they're from that Seattle background that pays a ton of attention to metrics. Caldwell has long had a crush on Denard, and I'd bet the coaching staff does too, but position conversions aren't easy or quick all the time. I like what they're building on the offensive side down there -- flashes from Bortles, flashes from the receiving corps, and a pretty smart coordinator in Jedd Fisch. I'm not saying it's set in stone, but if Denard can stake claim here, it could be a fun ride.
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