Denarius Moore - CIncinnatti Bengals (1 Viewer)

[eakfootball]

Took him in the 5th round of my Dynasty rookie draft about 7 weeks ago! Thank you Waldman for the info! Also traded Kenny Britt(sick of his crap) for Randall Cobb and Bernard Scott. Have Cobb and Moore now till 2015.

That's a terrible trade. You aren't a real NFL team. Britt,s antics don't matter. He is a top 10 talent, and as much as I love Cobb he is currently the packers 5th receiver and Scott is not worth much.

 

[esalmons30]

Took him in the 5th round of my Dynasty rookie draft about 7 weeks ago! Thank you Waldman for the info! Also traded Kenny Britt(sick of his crap) for Randall Cobb and Bernard Scott. Have Cobb and Moore now till 2015.

Bad trade. I'd rather have Britt and all of his 'crap'. Typical rookie WR hype. Both Cobb and Moore. Cobb has nowhere to play and Moore will be an afterthought in due time. You just traded a young proven veteran for 2 longshot rookies and a HB that can't get on the field. Moore will be dropped well ahead of his 2015 contract.

I love Cobb, I feel that his upside is better than Britt in the future. I know I was rolling the dice on Cobb, but rather have him in a high powered pass offense and he is a lethal blocker and dedicated player. Britt is very talented but does not have Rodgers throwing him the ball and is a lazy street thug. I feel Cobb's talent will rise him up the depth chart and Driver will fade away soon. Scott was a throw in and might finally get his shot this year. Moore in the 5th round for five years is gravy if he does pan out, I am just going with the hype for now! Britt will post better numbers for sure this year!

 

[Tau837]

Took him in the 5th round of my Dynasty rookie draft about 7 weeks ago! Thank you Waldman for the info! Also traded Kenny Britt(sick of his crap) for Randall Cobb and Bernard Scott. Have Cobb and Moore now till 2015.

Wow, that is a bad trade at face value.

 

[Raider Nation]

Thank GOD we took DHB over Brian Orakpo.

And Brian Cushing.

And Josh Freeman.

And Michael Oher.

And Clay Matthews.

And Hakeem Nicks.

 

[todd2006]

Picked him up for $1 in my dynasty league ($500 cap) this weekend. Haven't seen him play... (small) leap of faith on what's been posted here.

 

[T with T]

Took him in the 5th round of my Dynasty rookie draft about 7 weeks ago! Thank you Waldman for the info! Also traded Kenny Britt(sick of his crap) for Randall Cobb and Bernard Scott. Have Cobb and Moore now till 2015.

That's a terrible trade. You aren't a real NFL team. Britt,s antics don't matter. He is a top 10 talent, and as much as I love Cobb he is currently the packers 5th receiver and Scott is not worth much.

not a smart trade... Britt is way better then cobb and like eak said who cares about off the field antics dingleberry

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Here's a recent tweet by beat writer Jerry McDonald that gives a taste of the everyday talk around Moore.

Jerry McDonaldBLTN Raiders practice notes: Either sad news or good news: DMoore has made more plays in a week than DHB in 3 yrs in training camp.

To be fair, My gradfather could make more plays then DHB, though my grandfather actually has fingers/hands as apposed to ping pong paddles..

 

[Cleat Spike]

We go through this every year don't we? Every season members of the media hype up one player that Was taken late in the hopes that he comes out of nowhere and performs in the mold of Marques Colston (7th rnd pick). Havent we learned by now not to latch onto these players? Does the name Victor Cruz mean anything to you? Denarius Moore has next to no chance of being fantasy relevant if he was on a good passing team, so what makes you think that he'll be relevant on a bad fantasy team? Come on. These media members are always on the lookout for the next greatest thing so they can say that they were the first to report about it. Don't fall into the trap! Denarius Moore is not draftable in any redraft league. You're better off just forgetting he exists.

Who do you suggest we draft in the last round of our drafts instead? Also, it doesn't quite make sense to suggest that Oakland's beat writers are unanimously reporting on Moore torching Oakland camp to "be the first" to report on it, since they are all doing it. We also have a head coach demonstrably getting excited about him on a daily basis.

Victor Cruz was blocked by Nicks, Smith, and Manningham. Moore is blocked by, well, no one. The comparison doesn't apply. Colston compare is better because the Saints had big openings at WR. OAK isn't nearly the passing team the Saints were in 06, but that doesn't mean that they can't support one or even two fantasy WRs because the #1 passing target from the last few years just went to Seattle.

Cautious skepticism with rookies is always warranted, but so is keeping your eyes open! Bloom is right: your last few picks are a toss of the dice anyway so why not spend it on a guy with lots of upside? And there isn't any competition for him. Plus, while his QB isn't great, he isn't a WR killer. With Miller gone, someone on that team is going to catch 60-70 receptions--who is it going to be? Could be this kid.

I've also read a couple of the beat writers say that Chaz has been the most impressive WR, along with Moore. Things might be coming together at the right time in OAK. MSW turned the injury bug corner a couple years back..Chaz may be through his. Chaz, Ford, Murphy, Moore, Boss. They even like Ausberry a lot. DHB is a complete afterthought now.

 

[Moonlight]

There’s been a lot of buzz in camp hovering around University of Tennessee rookie Denarius Moore. Nine practices in, and it’s apparent this guy is special. He’s not had a single day without a string of superlatives describing his receiving ability. At this point, barring injury, there’s no way he isn’t a starter, and I think he takes DHB starting spot from him. With the departure of Zach Miller, expect the WR’s to be more involved and this Denarius cat is going to produce, especially when Jacoby Ford gets back in the fold. There’s some great competition going on between Chaz Schilens, Louis Murphy, Moore, and Ford. I am definitely on the bandwagon.

Moore is fantasy relevant now. Go out and get him while he’s still cheap.

Here’s a recent blog entry by Raiders beat writer, Steve Corkran. It’s really a pretty typical blog entry, and the story of Denarius Moore killin it in camp writes itself a new chapter every day. Don’t sleep on Moore.

Denarius Moore, folks. Learn the name, commit it to memory and keep an eye on the rookie whenever he’s on the field.

On Thursday, for the second straight day, Moore stole the show during practice with his acrobatic catches and big-play ability. At this rate, people are going to forget about Darrius Heyward-Bey missing so much practice time.

“I’m not going to keep using the word you guys write I keep using all the time,” Jackson said. “I’m gonna have to come up with another one. I don’t want to say the W word (Wow!). So, what I’m going to say is, oh, boy! The young man can make some plays, can’t he?

“Oh, my gosh, is he something? He’s fun to watch. Every day there’s something. A ball goes up, he comes down with it and makes a play. He has tremendous talent. The game is not too big for him. He has that factor of making plays. There’s no fear in the young man. I’m glad he’s on our team.”

Moore delivered the most memorable play of camp so far when he leaped for a high pass in the back of the end zone and snared the ball above cornerback DeMarcus Van Dyke and safety Stevie Brown, while having the composure to get his feet down before he stepped out of bounds. Touchdown.

Moore didn’t have to worry about running back to the huddle. The huddle ran to him near the 10-yard line, with players hooting and hollering and congratulating him on his spectacular catch.

“Yes, sir, just another day, another catch, another play,” Moore said in his aw-shucks manner.

Yeah, right. This wasn’t Ronald Curry spectacular from that Monday night game against the Denver Broncos in 2004. But it was close.

“It was overwhelming for a rookie to make a play like that and then get supported by the whole team,” Moore said. “The support and the love I was getting, I was real happy from it.”

Naturally, Moore was just getting warmed up. A short while later, Moore did an out-and-up that left cornerback Sterling Moore flat-footed, out of position and out of luck, as Moore sprinted into the open for a long touchdown reception from Jason Campbell.

“I swear, if (Denarius Moore) runs one more out-and-up, double move or corner-and-up, I’m (going to ) kill someone!!!” Sterling Moore Tweeted after practice.

His concerns are whether he is physical enough to beat press coverage and his first step off the line was described as average. But as said he has excellent ball tracking skills in the deep game.

 

[GregR]

I don't buy into all camp hype. But I do especially listen to what is being said about young receivers and TEs, and tend to draft them over other rookies who started out higher ranked on people's rookie lists. The ones that there is talk like there is about Moore, I draft early. How has it turned out for me? Here are the WRs and TEs I've drafted the last 4 years, and the rookie round I took them in (11 IDP starters, so rounds may be appear deeper than in smaller leagues):

2010: Mike Williams (1st). Jordan Shipley(2nd). Tony Moeaki(3rd). Stephen Williams (5th).

2009: Mike Thomas(2nd). Shawn Nelson(2nd). Johnny Knox(3rd). Patrick Turner(3rd).

2008: Mario Manningham(3rd), Early Doucet(3rd), Lavelle Hawkins(5th), Steve Johnson (8th), Jaymar Johnson(10th), Josh Morgan(11th).

2007: Zach Miller(1st). Robert Meachem(1st). Tedd Gin Jr(2nd). Laurent Robinson(6th). Aundrae Allison(11th).

That's 10 players out of 19 who have already been fantasy relevant as a starter or backup in my league (4 WR, 2 TE, 1 flex WR/TE). And Doucet may be relevant this year and Josh Morgan was borderline relevant.

Most of them were taken in the area of our draft when people are starting to take flyers on skill position players... our contracts don't allow you to wait 4 years on a guy to start showing something. Out of those players I hit on, I'd say only 4 of them (Zach Miller, Meachem, Shipley, and Manningham) did I draft based on consensus position. Mike Williams, Moeaki, Mike Thomas, Knox, S. Johnson, Josh Morgan, and Laurent Robinson, I all chose over higher ranked players that were available mainly because of positive comments I heard about them in their rookie camps.

So yes, I'm a firm believer in listening to camp reports for receivers. Pre-draft scouting is less meaningful to me than is how they look on the field with NFL players, all other things being equal. If I didn't give those reports merit, I'd probably have hit on at least 1/4 fewer fantasy relevant receivers.

 

[GridironMenace]

I don't buy into all camp hype. But I do especially listen to what is being said about young receivers and TEs, and tend to draft them over other rookies who started out higher ranked on people's rookie lists. The ones that there is talk like there is about Moore, I draft early. How has it turned out for me? Here are the WRs and TEs I've drafted the last 4 years, and the rookie round I took them in (11 IDP starters, so rounds may be appear deeper than in smaller leagues):

2010: Mike Williams (1st). Jordan Shipley(2nd). Tony Moeaki(3rd). Stephen Williams (5th).

2009: Mike Thomas(2nd). Shawn Nelson(2nd). Johnny Knox(3rd). Patrick Turner(3rd).

2008: Mario Manningham(3rd), Early Doucet(3rd), Lavelle Hawkins(5th), Steve Johnson (8th), Jaymar Johnson(10th), Josh Morgan(11th).

2007: Zach Miller(1st). Robert Meachem(1st). Tedd Gin Jr(2nd). Laurent Robinson(6th). Aundrae Allison(11th).

That's 10 players out of 19 who have already been fantasy relevant as a starter or backup in my league (4 WR, 2 TE, 1 flex WR/TE). And Doucet may be relevant this year and Josh Morgan was borderline relevant.

Most of them were taken in the area of our draft when people are starting to take flyers on skill position players... our contracts don't allow you to wait 4 years on a guy to start showing something. Out of those players I hit on, I'd say only 4 of them (Zach Miller, Meachem, Shipley, and Manningham) did I draft based on consensus position. Mike Williams, Moeaki, Mike Thomas, Knox, S. Johnson, Josh Morgan, and Laurent Robinson, I all chose over higher ranked players that were available mainly because of positive comments I heard about them in their rookie camps.

So yes, I'm a firm believer in listening to camp reports for receivers. Pre-draft scouting is less meaningful to me than is how they look on the field with NFL players, all other things being equal. If I didn't give those reports merit, I'd probably have hit on at least 1/4 fewer fantasy relevant receivers.

Shipley is not fantasy relevant and neither is Robinson. So you're down to 8/19. Let's get rid of all your 1st and 2nd round picks because they shouldn't count as pre-season hype players as they had large expectations to begin with. So now we're at 3/14. That's certainly not a great percentage chance of success. It'll be so much fun watching Denarius Moore struggle against actual competition in an actual game. While it's happening I'll be sure to have all of Hue Jacksons and the beat writers glowing reports in the back of my mind.

 

[eakfootball]

I remember how everyone was mocking Maclin to Oakland. Why didn't they just do that? He was and is a much better player and is plenty fast.

 

[GridironMenace]

Took him in the 5th round of my Dynasty rookie draft about 7 weeks ago! Thank you Waldman for the info! Also traded Kenny Britt(sick of his crap) for Randall Cobb and Bernard Scott. Have Cobb and Moore now till 2015.

Bad trade. I'd rather have Britt and all of his 'crap'. Typical rookie WR hype. Both Cobb and Moore. Cobb has nowhere to play and Moore will be an afterthought in due time. You just traded a young proven veteran for 2 longshot rookies and a HB that can't get on the field. Moore will be dropped well ahead of his 2015 contract.

I love Cobb, I feel that his upside is better than Britt in the future. I know I was rolling the dice on Cobb, but rather have him in a high powered pass offense and he is a lethal blocker and dedicated player. Britt is very talented but does not have Rodgers throwing him the ball and is a lazy street thug. I feel Cobb's talent will rise him up the depth chart and Driver will fade away soon.

Britt is a top 10 WR dude. How can you even convince yourself that Cobb has top 10 talent. He doesn't. He may be a solid WR2/3 a few years from now, but his ceiling is not as high as Britt's.Blocking and dedication doesn't score you fantasy points my friend.And Cobb is never going to rise to the depth chart in GB. Ever. Cobb is a slot guy. He doesn't have the skillset to be a WR1 on the depth chart and he's not as talented as Jennings, Jones or Nelson.The hype train took you for a ride partner.

 

[GregR]

I don't buy into all camp hype. But I do especially listen to what is being said about young receivers and TEs, and tend to draft them over other rookies who started out higher ranked on people's rookie lists. The ones that there is talk like there is about Moore, I draft early. How has it turned out for me? Here are the WRs and TEs I've drafted the last 4 years, and the rookie round I took them in (11 IDP starters, so rounds may be appear deeper than in smaller leagues):

2010: Mike Williams (1st). Jordan Shipley(2nd). Tony Moeaki(3rd). Stephen Williams (5th).

2009: Mike Thomas(2nd). Shawn Nelson(2nd). Johnny Knox(3rd). Patrick Turner(3rd).

2008: Mario Manningham(3rd), Early Doucet(3rd), Lavelle Hawkins(5th), Steve Johnson (8th), Jaymar Johnson(10th), Josh Morgan(11th).

2007: Zach Miller(1st). Robert Meachem(1st). Tedd Gin Jr(2nd). Laurent Robinson(6th). Aundrae Allison(11th).

That's 10 players out of 19 who have already been fantasy relevant as a starter or backup in my league (4 WR, 2 TE, 1 flex WR/TE). And Doucet may be relevant this year and Josh Morgan was borderline relevant.

Most of them were taken in the area of our draft when people are starting to take flyers on skill position players... our contracts don't allow you to wait 4 years on a guy to start showing something. Out of those players I hit on, I'd say only 4 of them (Zach Miller, Meachem, Shipley, and Manningham) did I draft based on consensus position. Mike Williams, Moeaki, Mike Thomas, Knox, S. Johnson, Josh Morgan, and Laurent Robinson, I all chose over higher ranked players that were available mainly because of positive comments I heard about them in their rookie camps.

So yes, I'm a firm believer in listening to camp reports for receivers. Pre-draft scouting is less meaningful to me than is how they look on the field with NFL players, all other things being equal. If I didn't give those reports merit, I'd probably have hit on at least 1/4 fewer fantasy relevant receivers.

Shipley is not fantasy relevant and neither is Robinson. So you're down to 8/19. Let's get rid of all your 1st and 2nd round picks because they shouldn't count as pre-season hype players as they had large expectations to begin with. So now we're at 3/14. That's certainly not a great percentage chance of success. It'll be so much fun watching Denarius Moore struggle against actual competition in an actual game. While it's happening I'll be sure to have all of Hue Jacksons and the beat writers glowing reports in the back of my mind.

That's not valid at all. Why would you eliminate 1st round players? The camp reports are the only reason Mike Williams was drafted in the first round. I already noted which players I drafted based on where they appeared on rookie lists, and which got drafted there because of camp reports that said they were better than anyone thought coming out of the NFL draft. I know better than you what made me pick each player where I picked them.Shipley was a STARTING flex player in this league's format last year, that is certainly relevant. I'll give you that Laurent Robinson didn't end up being relevant, though going into last year's drafts he was considered relevant as at least a potential fantasy backup.

The point is, if you look at all the WRs available in the 6th round where I took Robinson, there was a wasteland of WRs after him, and the only reason he stood out where he did was because of camp reports, not because people that rank rookies were putting him there after the NFL draft. Nanee is the only one of the 10 WRs who were drafted after Robinson who also sniffed the field in an NFL game.

If Denarius Moore gets a chance to start an NFL game, that by itself puts him ahead of the bulk of rookie WRs in his draft class. That's certainly worth taking a chance on when you're late in the draft.

 

[GregR]

Here's exactly what I'm talking about with Mike Williams. This thread had the rankings averaged from 7 sites long before training camp started last year:

WR Bryant 1

WR Benn 3.14

WR Tate 4

WR Thomas 5.29

WR LaFell 6.14

WR Williams, Damien7.43

WR Gilyard 7.86

WR Decker 9

WR Cooper 12.43

WR Mitchell 13.14

WR Roberts 13.57

WR Briscoe 13.71

WR Shipley 14.29

WR Price 14.71

WR Williams, Jeremy15.43

WR Ford 17.29

WR White, Blair 17.86

WR Easley 18.57

WR Sanders 21.57

WR Alexander 21.57

WR Williams, mike 21.71

WR Reed 27.43

Mike Williams was on average the 21st rated fantasy WR going into the draft. It wasn't until camp started and word got out about how well he was doing that he became an early round rookie pick. I don't know if Moore will be anything like MW turned out to be, but given that Moore was the 18th WR taken in the NFL draft, if he does have a chance to start, odds are he's going to end up being worth far more than 90% of the WRs that were ranked around where he was prior to this news breaking.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Here's exactly what I'm talking about with Mike Williams. This thread had the rankings averaged from 7 sites long before training camp started last year:

WR Bryant 1

WR Benn 3.14

WR Tate 4

WR Thomas 5.29

WR LaFell 6.14

WR Williams, Damien7.43

WR Gilyard 7.86

WR Decker 9

WR Cooper 12.43

WR Mitchell 13.14

WR Roberts 13.57

WR Briscoe 13.71

WR Shipley 14.29

WR Price 14.71

WR Williams, Jeremy15.43

WR Ford 17.29

WR White, Blair 17.86

WR Easley 18.57

WR Sanders 21.57

WR Alexander 21.57

WR Williams, mike 21.71

WR Reed 27.43

Mike Williams was on average the 21st rated fantasy WR going into the draft. It wasn't until camp started and word got out about how well he was doing that he became an early round rookie pick. I don't know if Moore will be anything like MW turned out to be, but given that Moore was the 18th WR taken in the NFL draft, if he does have a chance to start, odds are he's going to end up being worth far more than 90% of the WRs that were ranked around where he was prior to this news breaking.

Impressive work here GregR,

I especially agree with the notion that pre-draft grades and pecking order needs to be re-examined during camp, and production on the field adjusts the fantasy draft values. I was a big believer in Mike Williams at the NFL draft, and many of the experts thought last May that he was a reach in the early 2nd round of rookie drafts. Later, as camp production raised eyes, he was going much higher. I think Moore has a chance to be a Mike Williams type. Maybe not that kind of production out of the gate, but if he wins a starter role, which I believe he will, then expect him to take a healthy share of Zach Miller's targets from last year. Raider WR's as a whole had only 112 receptions as a unit. They need to set as a target around 200 receptions to be a playoff team. I think Hue Jackson understands this metric and is going to open up the offense and cater to a new strength of a WR corp that has some great competition between Moore, Ford, Murphy, and Schilens. I don't expect Boss to catch any more than he did in New York, maybe even less. Last year the non-WR's, (TE's and RB's) caught more passes than the WR's. That metric is going to change this year, and Moore will get his. Definitely worth taking a flyer on.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Suddenly, the Raiders seem to be building a respectable WR corp and it'll get even better when they ship DHB's you know what down the road...

It's certainly one of the more over-hyped WRs corps. It seems each one of J. Ford, C. Schilens and now Moore have their camps that see them as the breakout player to own - while Louis Murphy (who got some hype last offseason) likely still has his beleivers as well.Just imagine if Jason Campbell was actually a good QB, what kind of hype we'd be seeing.I'm on the Ford bandwagon by the way. ETA: watch Heyward-Bey be the guy that explodes this year.

 

[Lash]

well crap the cat is out of the bag and i still have several drafts to go but no use hiding it now

did post this in the Schilens thread a week ago

"Schilens has burned me so much I don't know if I can take it again, but better to burn me again that become a WR1 on someone else's roster (I cut Miles Austin on 3 teams after holding for years) but saying that ... the play from mid-2012 on is Denarious Moore ... no link just an eye-test gut feeling ... you'll just have to trust me"



players like this make me wonder what exactly NFL GMs are wanting in a WR prospect



good hands, burning speed, good routes



UT has been undermanned the last couple years and he still dominated even when defenses knew we didn't have much else



and this is in the SEC



5th round? unbelievable

 

[Sabertooth]

 

[trader jake]

Man, Al Davis knows how to draft!!!

 

[RaiderBones]

Man, Al Davis knows how to draft!!!

Al Davis may throw away his first round picks but he knows how to draft in the middle rounds.

 

[LawFitz]

Schilens, Ford, Moore. 2011 PPG production, IMO.

ETA: this assumes Schilens hasn't lost his speed. Still haven't watched a preseason game this year, so had to throw out that caveat. Reports from camp are good though, even if he's currently being overshadowed by the rook. Still I like to watch myself to see if the burst is still there when projecting any player coming off injury.

 

[No Way Jose]

The Schillens talk really perks up this time of year, like clockwork. I hope everyone goes and picks him up.

 

[Moonlight]

The Schillens talk really perks up this time of year, like clockwork. I hope everyone goes and picks him up.

I picked him up off waivers. Price was right If he doesn't stay healthy, he's easily cut.But decent shot at being #1Wr for the Raiders.

 

[johnadams]

The Schillens talk really perks up this time of year, like clockwork. I hope everyone goes and picks him up.

I picked him up off waivers. Price was right If he doesn't stay healthy, he's easily cut.But decent shot at being #1Wr for the Raiders.

In a dynasty league where we make roster cuts in week four of preseason, I got Murhpy, Chaz, and Moore, hoping that I can get just enough info by then to make a good decision on who to keep. I'm a bit worried about the Josh Morgan effect, who has been reported all world in OTAs and TCs for the last three years by the local guys.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I don't buy into all camp hype. But I do especially listen to what is being said about young receivers and TEs, and tend to draft them over other rookies who started out higher ranked on people's rookie lists. The ones that there is talk like there is about Moore, I draft early. How has it turned out for me? Here are the WRs and TEs I've drafted the last 4 years, and the rookie round I took them in (11 IDP starters, so rounds may be appear deeper than in smaller leagues):

2010: Mike Williams (1st). Jordan Shipley(2nd). Tony Moeaki(3rd). Stephen Williams (5th).

2009: Mike Thomas(2nd). Shawn Nelson(2nd). Johnny Knox(3rd). Patrick Turner(3rd).

2008: Mario Manningham(3rd), Early Doucet(3rd), Lavelle Hawkins(5th), Steve Johnson (8th), Jaymar Johnson(10th), Josh Morgan(11th).

2007: Zach Miller(1st). Robert Meachem(1st). Tedd Gin Jr(2nd). Laurent Robinson(6th). Aundrae Allison(11th).

That's 10 players out of 19 who have already been fantasy relevant as a starter or backup in my league (4 WR, 2 TE, 1 flex WR/TE). And Doucet may be relevant this year and Josh Morgan was borderline relevant.

Most of them were taken in the area of our draft when people are starting to take flyers on skill position players... our contracts don't allow you to wait 4 years on a guy to start showing something. Out of those players I hit on, I'd say only 4 of them (Zach Miller, Meachem, Shipley, and Manningham) did I draft based on consensus position. Mike Williams, Moeaki, Mike Thomas, Knox, S. Johnson, Josh Morgan, and Laurent Robinson, I all chose over higher ranked players that were available mainly because of positive comments I heard about them in their rookie camps.

So yes, I'm a firm believer in listening to camp reports for receivers. Pre-draft scouting is less meaningful to me than is how they look on the field with NFL players, all other things being equal. If I didn't give those reports merit, I'd probably have hit on at least 1/4 fewer fantasy relevant receivers.

Shipley is not fantasy relevant and neither is Robinson. So you're down to 8/19. Let's get rid of all your 1st and 2nd round picks because they shouldn't count as pre-season hype players as they had large expectations to begin with. So now we're at 3/14. That's certainly not a great percentage chance of success. It'll be so much fun watching Denarius Moore struggle against actual competition in an actual game. While it's happening I'll be sure to have all of Hue Jacksons and the beat writers glowing reports in the back of my mind.

That's not valid at all. Why would you eliminate 1st round players? The camp reports are the only reason Mike Williams was drafted in the first round. I already noted which players I drafted based on where they appeared on rookie lists, and which got drafted there because of camp reports that said they were better than anyone thought coming out of the NFL draft. I know better than you what made me pick each player where I picked them.Shipley was a STARTING flex player in this league's format last year, that is certainly relevant. I'll give you that Laurent Robinson didn't end up being relevant, though going into last year's drafts he was considered relevant as at least a potential fantasy backup.

The point is, if you look at all the WRs available in the 6th round where I took Robinson, there was a wasteland of WRs after him, and the only reason he stood out where he did was because of camp reports, not because people that rank rookies were putting him there after the NFL draft. Nanee is the only one of the 10 WRs who were drafted after Robinson who also sniffed the field in an NFL game.

If Denarius Moore gets a chance to start an NFL game, that by itself puts him ahead of the bulk of rookie WRs in his draft class. That's certainly worth taking a chance on when you're late in the draft.

In fairness Laurent Robinson has been on the verge of big things and then broken some bone like 3-4 times in a few cities.

 

[eakfootball]

Just traded him for Brent Celek. I was very strong at WR, but only had Gresham at TE.

 

[eoMMan]

Who's the QB in Oakland? Campbell?

 

[LawFitz]

Who's the QB in Oakland? Campbell?

Yes

 

[todisco1]

Just traded him for Brent Celek. I was very strong at WR, but only had Gresham at TE.

You still only have Gresham at TE.

 

[FavreCo]

Moore has caught everything thrown his way so far. Chaz with 1 catch rush and a visit to the trainers table after getting tackled. Man that guy is one ginormous ####.

 

[Papa Georgio]

Moore has caught everything thrown his way so far. Chaz with 1 catch rush and a visit to the trainers table after getting tackled. Man that guy is one ginormous ####.

Anyone have any insight where he has been going lately in rookie drafts?

 

[FavreCo]

Moore has caught everything thrown his way so far. Chaz with 1 catch rush and a visit to the trainers table after getting tackled. Man that guy is one ginormous ####.

Anyone have any insight where he has been going lately in rookie drafts?

I got him at #38.

 

[GregR]

Moore has caught everything thrown his way so far. Chaz with 1 catch rush and a visit to the trainers table after getting tackled. Man that guy is one ginormous ####.

Anyone have any insight where he has been going lately in rookie drafts?

He went 42nd in my league which is a heavy IDP league.I tried a couple of times to trade up for him but couldn't. Ended up trading Meachem and Jenkins for him. Which may sound like a bad deal, but it was motivated as much by salary cap and contract year implications as it was any expectations on Moore's performance.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Steve Corkran: Denarius Moore's electrifying 57-yard punt return wiped out by block in the back by Kevin Brock. Is there anything Moore can't do?

 

[Mainevent]

I got him at 4.9 back in May.

12 team IDP league.

 

[eakfootball]

Just traded him for Brent Celek. I was very strong at WR, but only had Gresham at TE.

You still only have Gresham at TE.

Normally I wouldn't have done it, but it's a 20 team league so starting TEs are a shortage.

 

[No Way Jose]

Steve Corkran: Denarius Moore's electrifying 57-yard punt return wiped out by block in the back by Kevin Brock. Is there anything Moore can't do?

This is hilarious because he didn't even PR in college. Whoops.

 

[dharmapunk]

Just picked him up at 2.11 in a dynasty rookie draft.

 

[hitchcock]

Just picked him up at 2.11 in a dynasty rookie draft.

Wow, he's shooting up draft boards. He went undrafted in four rounds (in mid-July) and then cleared waivers last week before being scooped up Aug. 4.Missed his catch/return last night. Can't wait to see him play.

 

[dharmapunk]

Just picked him up at 2.11 in a dynasty rookie draft.

Wow, he's shooting up draft boards. He went undrafted in four rounds and cleared waivers last week, then I picked him up August 4 off the wire. Missed his catch/return last night. Can't wait to see him play.

The hype machine has definitely pushed up his dynasty value. He's the 11th most added player on my league's host site, and the #1 rookie WR. That said, I'm not buying into him completely. I only took him because my team is weak at WR (I have T.O. and Steve Smith; I need youth) and there wasn't any rookie WRs left with more opportunity to produce right away.

 

[harryhood]

Got him at 30th pick overall last week in a rookie. Hankerson fell to 3.08 so WR's were not targeted early and often. He will be in Mike Williams territory(for late august/early september ADP) if he has another 2 solid games.

Also the Chaz Schilens injury news has yet to break. If it is anything serious, Moore will continue to move up.

 

[vinwinephans]

Just picked him up at 2.11 in a dynasty rookie draft.

Wow, he's shooting up draft boards. He went undrafted in four rounds (in mid-July) and then cleared waivers last week before being scooped up Aug. 4.Missed his catch/return last night. Can't wait to see him play.

On a rookie draft that started this past Monday (12 team Dyanasty PPR with 22 man rosters and no IDP) I got him 63rd overall Wednesday Night (9:10 PM).On a rookie draft that started this past Wednesday (10 team Dynasty PPR with 26 man rosters and no IDP) he went 20th overall that Wednesday Night (9:56 PM).Word is getting out and depending on the level of man crush, he is shooting up boards.Same thing happened with Cobb. I got him at 22 in the 12 teamer and he went 10th overall in the 10 teamer.

 

[hitchcock]

Yea I took Cobb at 2.02 and remember going through early rookie draft threads and he was not considered a first/early second round pick by most.

 

[Chaka]

I don't question Moore so much as Jason Campbell's ability to get him the ball consistently.

 

[GregR]

I don't question Moore so much as Jason Campbell's ability to get him the ball consistently.

It's definitely a concern and I'd have preferred the Raiders had re-signed Gradkowski. But as far as can a receiver prosper with Campbell... here are the top receivers from his seasons in Washington:2007 (13 games started):Chris Cooley 66-786-8Santana Moss 61-808-3Antwaan Randle El 51-728-12008 (16 games started):Chris Cooley 83-849-1Santana Moss 79-1044-6Antwaan Randle El 53-593-42009 (16 games started)Santana Moss 70-902-3Antwaan Randle El 50-530-0Fred Davis 48-509-6So Campbell was able to QB those guys to poor starter/good backup fantasy receiver stats.

 

[Ping Pong]

2007 (13 games started):

Chris Cooley 6-786-8

Santana Moss 61-808-3

Antwaan Randle El 51-728-1

Daaaamn Cooley, 131.0 YPC

 

[GregR]

2007 (13 games started):

Chris Cooley 6-786-8

Santana Moss 61-808-3

Antwaan Randle El 51-728-1

Daaaamn Cooley, 131.0 YPC

Deceptive speed...

 

[Tex Goldstein]

We go through this every year don't we? Every season members of the media hype up one player that Was taken late in the hopes that he comes out of nowhere and performs in the mold of Marques Colston (7th rnd pick). Havent we learned by now not to latch onto these players? Does the name Victor Cruz mean anything to you? Denarius Moore has next to no chance of being fantasy relevant if he was on a good passing team, so what makes you think that he'll be relevant on a bad fantasy team? Come on. These media members are always on the lookout for the next greatest thing so they can say that they were the first to report about it. Don't fall into the trap! Denarius Moore is not draftable in any redraft league. You're better off just forgetting he exists.

last yr the media hyped rookie wr that was picked late was mike williams. does the name mike williams mean anything to you

good point there is no doubt that the buzz on this guy is exciting. I'm looking out fr him in my late rounds this year...

 

[gbill2004]

By Steve CorkranSunday, August 14th, 2011 at 7:37 pm in Oakland Raiders.Raiders coach Hue Jackson says time and again that, “It’s all about performance.” Rookie wide receiver Denarius Moore is on the verge of putting that idiom to the test.Every day, Moore not only is the best wide receiver on the field, oftentimes he is the best player, period. It has reached the point where this isn’t some one-week wonder, flash in the pan or fluke. The man can flat out play.That’s what Jackson says he is looking for, playmakers. No one personifies that more than Moore, a fifth-round draft pick out of Tennessee.On Sunday, Moore was at it again. Not once, or twice, but three times he had fans and teammates oohing and aahing over his ability to get open, adjust to the ball flight, get position on the defender and make a play on the ball.The first time, Moore slowed up, outleaped rookie cornerback Sterling Moore and snared the ball at the highest point as people gasped. Moore came down with the ball, but it came out as he hit the ground. The play likely would have been ruled an incompletion, but it’s worth pointing out because few other receivers would have done the things necessary to make it close to a reception.A bit later, Moore worked the left sideline, positioned himself just inbouns and made an outstretched catch of a dart in front of the defender.On the third play, Moore beat cornerback Jeremy Ware with a double-move, with Moore continuing toward the end zone as Ware slipped to the ground. Safety Jerome Boyd made a sensational diving play to prevent the wide-open Moore from scoring.To hear Moore tell it, there’s nothing to see here. What he’s doing is what he always does. Don’t be so surprised.“I hear it here and there,” Moore said after practice. “Coaches say I’m doing a good job, players say I’m doing a good job – they actually talk to me more. So, I guess I’m fitting in pretty well with the team right now.”Fitting in? Jackson is going to have some explaining to do if Moore isn’t starting Sept. 12 against the Denver Broncos, of if Moore isn’t on the field a ton. There are 31 coaches and general managers grilling their scouting departments on how they let Moore slip past in the draft.“It goes without question what he’s doing,” Jackson said. “For me to talk about him, there’s no reason to. … You get to see his plays because he jumps over people and he makes these fantastic catches and he runs with punts and all that.”