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Derek Chauvin trial. Murder of George Floyd. Convictions now appealed. (7 Viewers)

Doug B said:
You're correct -- layout of the Chauvin trial courtroom.

However, I think I see what Nelson means. When speaking from the attorney podium, most of the jury is out of his line of sight. And presumably with COVID constraints in place, the attorneys may not be free to approach the jury, pace in front of them, etc.
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Yeah, possibly. Although if I were Chauvin's counsel and I believed the courtroom setup and the Covid precautions in any way impaired my ability to represent my client I'd have raised the issue beforehand and requested a continuance. 

 
Zow said:
Of course not. 

I'm just pointing out that it's not 100% like you said. 
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Of course, I am sure there are some cases that are so obvious one way or the other it is fast.  This just seems like it will be a fast conviction.   

If not the jury would be going back and forth for days if not weeks for aquittal.

 
Amused to Death said:
The jurors deliberated for 10 hours over 2 days. Doesn't seem like a lot of time to go over 3 counts. Maybe not a lot of convincing was needed.
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Gotta think it’s guilty across the board or they quickly compromised on a lower charge. I have a hard time believing that there’s not a couple people who strongly felt he deserved the highest charges and 10 hours is not enough time to change that.

 
Guido Merkins said:
So what would you consider a fair verdict in this trial???
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idk if there is a "fair verdict"...more like some could say that a conviction (esp the highest charge) was tainted by the overall media and society pressure. 

While they promised to remain non-biased, the jurors are not robots and the overall fallout from any verdit has to be weighing on their mind. 

 
Alex P Keaton said:
That seems like a stretch
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No, it's very easily within reach of people. We already see pig's heads bathed in blood and put on defense witnesses doorsteps. It's hardly a stretch or a reach. It's called intimidation of witnesses and jurors, and it's the oldest practice in the book when it comes to legal systems.

 
Guido Merkins said:
I watched the trial.  I watched the video.  He's guilty of negligence at the very least. 

The only way they have been improperly influenced if they clear him.  Sorry.  Pretty clear on this one.....
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Maybe you’re right.  But stranger things have happened with a jury of 12.  And you saying it’s one way or they have been influenced is ridiculous .

 
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Watching the local news coverage here with a deep pit in my stomach. Although I don’t live in the city of Minneapolis I’m 10 miles out and the city has gone through enough the last year.

 
rockaction said:
No, it's very easily within reach of people. We already see pig's heads bathed in blood and put on defense witnesses doorsteps. It's hardly a stretch or a reach. It's called intimidation of witnesses and jurors, and it's the oldest practice in the book when it comes to legal systems.
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Fair enough.  I’m not in Minneapolis, and really don’t watch the news.  If it is really that over the top outside the building, I can appreciate that thought.

It continues to strike me as strange that some folks see this one way for the Chauvin trial, but the opposite for the events of Jan 6th.  Not criticizing any individual, just observing.

 
Sinn Fein said:
I think if a juror was legit worried about their vote - this would have been a hung-jury, and several conversations with the judge.

As I understand it - jury did not reach out to the judge to indicate any impasse.
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You'd like to think so, but circumstances seem like that wouldn't be the case. People are smart enough to avoid the rest of their lives being in question. I have less faith. Great faith in the system, less so in the actors surrounding it and corrupting the process. I hope justice is served, like you. I'm just less sanguine about it than you are. I'm not sure what I would put in its place, though, so we're imperfectly perfect, I guess.

 
Sinn Fein said:
I think if a juror was legit worried about their vote - this would have been a hung-jury, and several conversations with the judge.

As I understand it - jury did not reach out to the judge to indicate any impasse.
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I responded before I read the whole response to me so I changed it.

My problem is I’ve read so many people say things along the lines of “I hope they find him guilty so that there isn’t more rioting”.  Now I lean that he’s probably guilty here of something, but either way, That’s a pretty tainted sense of justice.  

 
Chauvin is toast.  Jury barely deliberated.  I can see all three charges now.  Before I would have only thought manslaughter.  

 
rockaction said:
You'd like to think so, but circumstances seem like that wouldn't be the case. People are smart enough to avoid the rest of their lives being in question. I have less faith. Great faith in the system, less so in the actors surrounding it and corrupting the process. I hope justice is served, like you. I'm just less sanguine about it than you are. I'm not sure what I would put in its place, though, so we're imperfectly perfect, I guess.
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Fair enough.

I have CBS on in the background - I don't think I realized that a plea deal broke down where Chauvin had agreed to significant time in prison, but Barr would not sign off on the deal, so it unraveled.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
Fair enough.  I’m not in Minneapolis, and really don’t watch the news.  If it is really that over the top outside the building, I can appreciate that thought.

It continues to strike me as strange that some folks see this one way for the Chauvin trial, but the opposite for the events of Jan 6th.  Not criticizing any individual, just observing.
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I'm not really sure how Jan 6th and this are analogous. I really don't. I've been hyper-critical of the events of Jan. 6th and the intimidation and provocation factors that seem to be the issues there. For instance, I think Donald Trump implicitly incited that riot and have no real sympathy for those taking part in it, other than those who are mentally ill or completely led astray by conspiracy theories. I feel sympathy for them. Other than that, I think they should be prosecuted fully.

I'm not seeing the connection between that and witness intimidation, though.

 
TakiToki said:
Yup. If for some reason I were on the jury and unable to get tossed from it, I would be voting guilty on the highest count, even if I thought he were innocent.
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wow - I assume this is hyperbole.  Illegal and sanctionable obviously, but just morally corrupt imo to put an innocent man in prison.

 
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