DeSean Jackson...getting no respect... (1 Viewer)

[LHUCKS]

There's way too much expectation on this kid. It's pretty interesting to read the projections and analysis from people who don't watch any Eagles games.

which people are those?

 

[GoldenBear]

Just wanted to add my two cents as a U.C. Berkeley alumnus who had season tickets at Cal when DeSean played there:

While you can easily project that DeSean catches 6 passes per game, it would be ill-advised to automatically assume that that translates into 100 catches for a season. Why? DeSean weighs 175 lbs dripping wet, and his small frame has translated into durability issues throughout his career. The Eagles were lucky to use him for as long as they did last season; all it takes with DeSean is one good hit, and while he never had any major injuries during college, there were a number of lesser injuries he accumulated taking hits from college-level athletes. Upgrade those athletes to NFL-level and it's only a matter of time before injuries start cutting into his playing time.

 

[SSOG]

SSOG,for me, the thing with DJax is that Philly spreads the ball around quite a bit..I see your point about the Reid stuff and I agree.Djax could very well catch 80+ and go well oer 1000 yards..however, with Westbrook, Celek, Vick, Curtis, McCoy, etc, it's hard to aimagine one guy catching much more than 80/1000/6..I listed Vick becuase he's sure to take some of the touches/carries our of the hands of others as he'll get about 10-12 plays.gm..djax just might be a victim of 'too many mouths to feed'

Too many mouths to feed? Brian Westbrook... sure, that's a mouth to feed (although his receiving numbers really dropped off last year). Kevin Curtis? Yeah, okay, I can see it. LeSean McCoy, though? He's not even going to be on the field unless Westbrook is off (which represents FEWER mouths to feed, not more). Brent Celek? Philly doesn't have a lot of history of feeding the TE, and Celek doesn't have a lot of history of deserving to be fed.At the end of the day, you don't keep the ball out of the hands of a DeSean Jackson because a LeSean McCoy hasn't gotten his yet.

Having seen every snap of this young kid's career, I'm mystified at how many people are throwing around words like "uncoverable." He may have the ability to be a 1,000-yard receiver many times over, and he certainly appears to have worked on his game this offseason as I hoped he would, but uncoverable? On what planet? He's tiny, and while he's dangerous in the open field he can get SHUT DOWN at the line of scrimmage. He needs to work on getting off the line of scrimmage cleanly before he deserves to be called uncoverable. He's also not a guy (like TO who's been ridiculously compared to him) that can take a big hit. Byproduct of his size.I love DJax and love that the Eagles drafted him. I also acknowledge that he MAY be the 2nd most talented receiver Reid has ever had in the offense. And that's why I would be shocked at a 1,200-yard, 10-TD season. But accepting it as a possibility and drafting for it are VASTLY different things. The MOST LIKELY outcome for Jackson is 900-1000 yards over a full season, with 5-8 TDs. If you expect him to do more than that, more power to you...I hope you're right! But let's not discuss it like it's a fait accompli.

I agree with this, too. Jackson is no Steve Smith. He's not even a Santana Moss yet. He does have Smiff/Santa potential... but potential ain't production. I don't want people to think that I'm one of the guys driving the hype train expecting 1150+ yards and 8 scores. I'm just saying, any discussion that begins with "Andy Reid historically hasn't..." should quickly end with "... had any NFL-caliber WRs on his roster".

 

[Hang 10]

This kinda reminds me of the Santonio Holmes hype train from last year.

 

[whodeywhodey]

This kinda reminds me of the Santonio Holmes hype train from last year.

Except Holmes' offense isn't nearly as potent as the Eagles.And Big Ben is no where near as good a fantasy QB as McNabb.

 

[LHUCKS]

This kinda reminds me of the Santonio Holmes hype train from last year.

Except Holmes' offense isn't nearly as potent as the Eagles.And Big Ben is no where near as good a fantasy QB as McNabb.

...and Hines Ward is a lot closer to Santonio than Curtis is to Jackson....and Holmes has already shown us what he can do...Desean has not....and Pitts D is much better than Philly's...and Reid loves to pass

 

[LHUCKS]

Just wanted to add my two cents as a U.C. Berkeley alumnus who had season tickets at Cal when DeSean played there:While you can easily project that DeSean catches 6 passes per game, it would be ill-advised to automatically assume that that translates into 100 catches for a season. Why? DeSean weighs 175 lbs dripping wet, and his small frame has translated into durability issues throughout his career.

I actually agree with this and dinged his lowside projection as a result, but would argue two points.a) he's held up well thus farb) a lot of small WRs have been able to stay healthy in the NFLBut like I said, I agree that it's a legitimate concern and should be taken into account.

 

[Hang 10]

This kinda reminds me of the Santonio Holmes hype train from last year.

Except Holmes' offense isn't nearly as potent as the Eagles.And Big Ben is no where near as good a fantasy QB as McNabb.

Ben was just coming off a 30td season. Obviously, the Steelers didn't end up being much of a passing team but that doesn't mean they werent perceived as one last off season.

 

[LHUCKS]

 

[drew726]

took someone long enough to bump this thread

 

[Steel Dillo]

After a couple of massive weeks on my bench because he was questionable going into the game, I start him after his bye expecting decent production.

WTF happened?

Now I'm left with a WDIS between him and a couple of steady, but not spectacular producers. I don't know whether to play for the homerun with Jackson, or go for the steady mediocre scores of the other 2 guys.

 

[Johnny Ice]

After a couple of massive weeks on my bench because he was questionable going into the game, I start him after his bye expecting decent production.WTF happened?Now I'm left with a WDIS between him and a couple of steady, but not spectacular producers. I don't know whether to play for the homerun with Jackson, or go for the steady mediocre scores of the other 2 guys.

McNabb probably thought DeSean was getting a little too chummy with Vick so he decided to freeze him out.

 

[SSOG]

WTF happened?

The Bucs left Maclin open all game.

 

[comet909]

I read that Jackson was doubled all day.

 

[JetMaxx]

IMO this past game was beneficial for DJax. It will force the defense to respect someone on the other side.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Similar situation, but I cant see myself sitting D-Jax V2.0 until he does this a few times and not once.

 

[Aardvarks]

DeSean is unbenchable in 12-team leagues.

 

[Futz]

Let's not forget that we are talking about WRs here. They tend to misfire once in awhile because of gameplanning etc... No need to jump from the bridges.

Desean is way too much talent to be ignored on a regular basis.

 

[travdogg]

IMO this past game was beneficial for DJax. It will force the defense to respect someone on the other side.

I think Maclin's development will ultimately help Jackson. I wouldn't be shocked if the Eagles offense was borderline unstoppable in the very near future.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Let's not forget that we are talking about WRs here. They tend to misfire once in awhile because of gameplanning etc... No need to jump from the bridges.Desean is way too much talent to be ignored on a regular basis.

Or it could be a case of having limitations in your game. Lee Evans is a very, very talented receiver, but he doesn't seem to be able to handle double-teams. So if teams want to take him out of the game, they can (and HAVE on a regular basis). We don't know if that's the case with Jackson yet, but this might have been the first game he's been consistently doubled, and that extra guy does mitigate the speed advantage he relies on to be great. For different kinds of receivers that don't rely so much on speed, that's a lot harder to do.As others have mentioned, now that Maclin has shown something, it may prevent other teams from doubling Jackson and his effectiveness may return. A little too early to say IMO.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Am I the only one seeing an almost exact replica to Steve Smith when he erupted?Jackson is the real deal, monster year on the way.

Smith is one possibility. Lee Evans is another.

 

[SSOG]

Let's not forget that we are talking about WRs here. They tend to misfire once in awhile because of gameplanning etc... No need to jump from the bridges.Desean is way too much talent to be ignored on a regular basis.

Or it could be a case of having limitations in your game. Lee Evans is a very, very talented receiver, but he doesn't seem to be able to handle double-teams. So if teams want to take him out of the game, they can (and HAVE on a regular basis). We don't know if that's the case with Jackson yet, but this might have been the first game he's been consistently doubled, and that extra guy does mitigate the speed advantage he relies on to be great. For different kinds of receivers that don't rely so much on speed, that's a lot harder to do.As others have mentioned, now that Maclin has shown something, it may prevent other teams from doubling Jackson and his effectiveness may return. A little too early to say IMO.

Funny, Lee Evans handled double teams just fine in 2006. He was also been curiously good at beating double teams in 2007 and 2008 when J.P. Losman was under center. It's eerie how Evans' ability to beat double teams has been so strongly correlated to Evans having a QB under center capable of throwing an accurate deep ball...

 

[Fantasy Man]

It'll be interesting to see how teams decide to defend the Eagles going forward. Maclin is showing the ability that he needs to paid attention to (and not just on this one game vs. the Bucs) and Celek has been somewhat of a revelation who seems to be open on every play if defended one on one and also finds the soft spots in the zones. And then you have Westbrook, who if healthy is the one player you absolutely have to gameplan for defensively.

That doesn't leave much of an opportunity to consistently double DeSean if you also have to deal with these other playmakers.

As an Eagles homer, I love it. But from a fantasy perspective, I can see teams deciding to take away Jackson and see if McNabb can move the ball by having to throw to a rookie WR, a decent but not gamebreaking TE, and a broken down superstar RB. If I was an opponent, I'd take away DeSean, and I'm not sure he's to the point in his development that he can deal with it and still post huge numbers.

 

[BoulderBob]

IMO this past game was beneficial for DJax. It will force the defense to respect someone on the other side.

Don't worry Jackson owners, he is still the #1, and he will be for some time.

 

[CalBear]

It will be possible to mostly shut down Desean, if teams want to do that. Bump him coming off the line, with safety help over the top. He doesn't have the body to fight through a physical double-team, although if you miss the bump, he has the speed and route-running ability to get open against a double-team.

But I can't imagine that teams can afford to double him all game long; the Eagles have plenty of other weapons.

There may be games that he gets corralled due to defensive game planning, but there will be other games where he puts up huge numbers.

 

[TheDemon]

As an Eagles homer, I love it. But from a fantasy perspective, I can see teams deciding to take away Jackson and see if McNabb can move the ball by having to throw to a rookie WR, a decent but not gamebreaking TE, and a broken down superstar RB. If I was an opponent, I'd take away DeSean, and I'm not sure he's to the point in his development that he can deal with it and still post huge numbers.

Not sure how you can love it as an Eagles homer but not from a fantasy perspective. Forcing McNabb to throw to "a rookie WR, a decent but not gamebreaking TE, and a broken down superstar RB" will either mean that those other options do end up catching balls and thus leave Jackson open more often, or that those other options do not make catches, thus not leaving Jackson open, thus not leading to big gains for the Eagles offense.

 

[2ksports]

top 5 WR baby. As another UC Berkeley alumnus, everytime I looked on the field Desean Jackson was celebrating a TD catch. I think he'll get 10+ this year easily, with 1400+ yards to boot.

 

[jdoggydogg]

What's everyone doing with Jackson vs. Oakland? I am considering benching him just because I also own Vincent Jackson, Burleson, and Fitzgerald.

This is not a WDIS question. Just curious if people fear Nnamdi Asomugha's shut down ability. Will Nnamdi Asomugha be covering Jackson Sunday?

 

[C-Bound]

I have no clue at this point. I have Mannigham, Royal, and Holmes also as options and I'm sure to start the least productive if last week is any indication.

 

[habsfan]

What's everyone doing with Jackson vs. Oakland? I am considering benching him just because I also own Vincent Jackson, Burleson, and Fitzgerald. This is not a WDIS question. Just curious if people fear Nnamdi Asomugha's shut down ability. Will Nnamdi Asomugha be covering Jackson Sunday?

I have a claim in for Maclin and if successful, I will seriously consider starting both.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

What's everyone doing with Jackson vs. Oakland? I am considering benching him just because I also own Vincent Jackson, Burleson, and Fitzgerald. This is not a WDIS question. Just curious if people fear Nnamdi Asomugha's shut down ability. Will Nnamdi Asomugha be covering Jackson Sunday?

Definitely playing him @ OAK. In fact, there's a very good chance I'm playing Maclin as well.ETA: Asomugha covers the right side of the field (left, from the offense's point of view), so it all depends where DeSean will line up.

 

[jdoggydogg]

What's everyone doing with Jackson vs. Oakland? I am considering benching him just because I also own Vincent Jackson, Burleson, and Fitzgerald. This is not a WDIS question. Just curious if people fear Nnamdi Asomugha's shut down ability. Will Nnamdi Asomugha be covering Jackson Sunday?

Definitely playing him @ OAK. In fact, there's a very good chance I'm playing Maclin as well.ETA: Asomugha covers the right side of the field (left, from the offense's point of view), so it all depends where DeSean will line up.

You know, I wonder if the Eagles will surprise the Raiders and run the ball 30 times. Seems like that's Oakland's major defensive weakness.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

i have both and right now have both starting.

Oak will bot be able to stop them on offense an not to mention JR will give them the ball for plenty of opportunities.

I think its a good start for both Philly wr's.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

What's everyone doing with Jackson vs. Oakland? I am considering benching him just because I also own Vincent Jackson, Burleson, and Fitzgerald. This is not a WDIS question. Just curious if people fear Nnamdi Asomugha's shut down ability. Will Nnamdi Asomugha be covering Jackson Sunday?

Definitely playing him @ OAK. In fact, there's a very good chance I'm playing Maclin as well.ETA: Asomugha covers the right side of the field (left, from the offense's point of view), so it all depends where DeSean will line up.

You know, I wonder if the Eagles will surprise the Raiders and run the ball 30 times. Seems like that's Oakland's major defensive weakness.

Does it really matter? They'll get burned either way, sadly. Actually, looks like DeSean, Maclin as well as the Philly D will be in my starting lineup.

 

[travdogg]

What's everyone doing with Jackson vs. Oakland? I am considering benching him just because I also own Vincent Jackson, Burleson, and Fitzgerald. This is not a WDIS question. Just curious if people fear Nnamdi Asomugha's shut down ability. Will Nnamdi Asomugha be covering Jackson Sunday?

More often than not Asomugha lines up on the Split End, which is currently Maclin. Chris Johnson usually takes the Flanker, which is Jackson.Despite the fact that Philly should win easily, I think McNabb will throw 30+ times. That's just what Philly does. I mean, they dominated both KC and Tampa and still threw the ball a ton.To answer the question, I'd start Jackson over Burleson. I kinda think Hasselbeck's big game was fluky. Seattle's o-line won't hold up most weeks and the Jags have possibly the worst pass rush in the NFL.

 

[footballnerd]

i really see this guy as a 80 catch 1200 yd 10 td playerhe has had dramatic improvement since last year, has a great qb and should be the center piece of this office, yet the "experts" don't project him with numbers much better than last year?

He got plenty of respect (doubles) from the TB secondary last week.

 

[jdoggydogg]

What's everyone doing with Jackson vs. Oakland? I am considering benching him just because I also own Vincent Jackson, Burleson, and Fitzgerald. This is not a WDIS question. Just curious if people fear Nnamdi Asomugha's shut down ability. Will Nnamdi Asomugha be covering Jackson Sunday?

More often than not Asomugha lines up on the Split End, which is currently Maclin. Chris Johnson usually takes the Flanker, which is Jackson.Despite the fact that Philly should win easily, I think McNabb will throw 30+ times. That's just what Philly does. I mean, they dominated both KC and Tampa and still threw the ball a ton.To answer the question, I'd start Jackson over Burleson. I kinda think Hasselbeck's big game was fluky. Seattle's o-line won't hold up most weeks and the Jags have possibly the worst pass rush in the NFL.

I see your point. And there's no doubt that Jackson's in a better offense. It's just a bit daunting to bench Burleson as he's the second highest targeted WR in the league.

 

[Steel Dillo]

Alright. Now you guys have me putting Jackson in the line-up, but its going to be hard to bench either Ward v. Cleveland or Housh v. Arizona.

 

[footballsavvy]

Alright. Now you guys have me putting Jackson in the line-up, but its going to be hard to bench either Ward v. Cleveland or Housh v. Arizona.

Would be tough for me to bench Hines Ward. Of all the things the Raiders don't have, cover corners are not one of them. They may not shut the Eagles pass game down, but it would not be surprising to see McNabb have a 150/1 game and let Vick or Kolb get some garbage time. They should be able to run at will.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Let's not forget that we are talking about WRs here. They tend to misfire once in awhile because of gameplanning etc... No need to jump from the bridges.Desean is way too much talent to be ignored on a regular basis.

Or it could be a case of having limitations in your game. Lee Evans is a very, very talented receiver, but he doesn't seem to be able to handle double-teams. So if teams want to take him out of the game, they can (and HAVE on a regular basis). We don't know if that's the case with Jackson yet, but this might have been the first game he's been consistently doubled, and that extra guy does mitigate the speed advantage he relies on to be great. For different kinds of receivers that don't rely so much on speed, that's a lot harder to do.As others have mentioned, now that Maclin has shown something, it may prevent other teams from doubling Jackson and his effectiveness may return. A little too early to say IMO.

Funny, Lee Evans handled double teams just fine in 2006. He was also been curiously good at beating double teams in 2007 and 2008 when J.P. Losman was under center. It's eerie how Evans' ability to beat double teams has been so strongly correlated to Evans having a QB under center capable of throwing an accurate deep ball...

I hear ya on Edwards. I have been one of the bigger Evans supporters around. I've had him in multiple teams since his rookie year. My points is though that he CAN be taken out of games. You can't blame it ALL on Edwards. Out of the 8 games Losman started in 07, Evans had less than 20 yards in half of them. In 08 in Losman's games, Evans went 2 for 100 yards, 7/80, 3/23 and 4/22. He's a fantastic player, but he needs the RIGHT situation to be effective. You can say that about a lot of guys, but some receivers seem to be more that way than others.I suspect Jackson might be one of those guys too.

 

[slickfritz781]

I hear all the things you guys are saying about Jackson this week against the raiders but I am still pessimistic. It scares me how he was absolutely shut down last week against a crummy pass D. I know he was double covered, but for the entire game? Even after Maclin started to blow up they still continued to double cover DJax?

For some reason I have this sense that Mcnabb isnt too fond of Jackson. He seems to be the definition of a hot shot wide receiver. Dont get me wrong Mcnabb will do whatever he needs to get the win but when playing terrible defenses he is able to pick and choose what tools he utilizes. Any serious philly homers wanna chime in on this? Has Mcnabb ever sounded odd when speaking of jackson?

Similar to several people above, I have Burleson in my starting lineup right now. He saved my fantasy week on Sunday after Jackson laughed in my face with 1 catch for 1 yard

 

[detroitwhat]

i have never heard of this mcnabb not liking desean jackson?! kinda concerns me when kolb was the one making desean a top 5 wr early this season.

 

[jdoggydogg]

i have never heard of this mcnabb not liking desean jackson?! kinda concerns me when kolb was the one making desean a top 5 wr early this season.

I'm guessing McNabb is going to hit the open man. He's a pro.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Eagles | Jackson not upset with Week 5 performanceTue, 13 Oct 2009 12:19:15 -0700Bob Brookover, of The Philadelphia Inquirer, reports Philadelphia Eagles WR DeSean Jackson is not upset over his poor Week 5 performance, in which he caught just one pass for one yard. "As a competitor, sure I want as many catches as I can get," Jackson said. "But you know there are going to be times when teams are going to try to take me out of the game, and Jeremy Maclin made some huge catches. It was definitely a great game for him." QB Donovan McNabb said Maclin had a big game because the Tampa Bay Buccaneers covered Jackson extremely well. "They rolled the coverage a lot to his side, and you want to get your weapons going," McNabb said. "Teams are going to try to take someone in this offense out of it. They're trying to take DeSean out, and when you give (other) guys an opportunity to make plays for you, I have full confidence that they will."

 

[Sheriff Harry Lee]

top 5 WR baby. As another UC Berkeley alumnus, everytime I looked on the field Desean Jackson was celebrating a TD catch. I think he'll get 10+ this year easily, with 1400+ yards to boot.

So this is pretty much a "homecoming" game for him? Hmmmmm...

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Question fellas. Is Desean more L.Evans/S.Moss going foward or S.Smith (car)?

I ask because most see him as a feast or famine type player and i agree to an extent. What i dont agree with his a few think his upside is a Good wr2 not a wr1 for fantasy. Thats interesting to me.

I really dont like these small jitterbug wr's but i had to rethink my thinking process. (there is a few of these guys that are PLAYMAKERS and DYNAMIC)

I really think this guy could be LARGE going foward. Here are the reason why i say that:

The Eagles pass more than ANYONE in the NFL.

Looks like he will have a BETTER qb throwing to him for awhile better than what Evan/S.Moss/Smith has had for him too.

Westy has been the MAIN focal point on this team for the last few yrs, his time is fading fast.

Looks to me DeSean is the Eagles most EXPLOSIVE playmaker and his speed is so sick they using him in a number of ways to take advantage of it.

I dont know where to limit his upside......

Also want to add i think Maclin being there is GREAT for both of them....Maclin should be nice too going foward. Teams that try and take DJax out of the game and Mac can burn them as we have seen.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

He's clearly the best playmaker on the team with Westbrook not at 100%. That's not lost on the Eagles or any team they play against. He'll almost always be one of the two or three fastest guys on the field, though, and I can't see at this point how you can sit him. Plus, the Eagles are not world beaters at this point so you have to figure they're going to be using him as much as they can.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Plus we've also learned that should his #1 QB go down, his #2 QB can definitely get him the ball as well.

 

[gump]

I see targets of 3 and 5 in the last 3 weeks...and it makes me think about unloading him know (with a RB) for a more consistent guy like Reggie Wayne.

If you are in a position like me...with RB depth...it may be the perfect time to trade him.

 

[Billy Costigan Jr]

Question fellas. Is Desean more L.Evans/S.Moss going foward or S.Smith (car)?I ask because most see him as a feast or famine type player and i agree to an extent. What i dont agree with his a few think his upside is a Good wr2 not a wr1 for fantasy. Thats interesting to me. I really dont like these small jitterbug wr's but i had to rethink my thinking process. (there is a few of these guys that are PLAYMAKERS and DYNAMIC)I really think this guy could be LARGE going foward. Here are the reason why i say that:The Eagles pass more than ANYONE in the NFL.Looks like he will have a BETTER qb throwing to him for awhile better than what Evan/S.Moss/Smith has had for him too. Westy has been the MAIN focal point on this team for the last few yrs, his time is fading fast.Looks to me DeSean is the Eagles most EXPLOSIVE playmaker and his speed is so sick they using him in a number of ways to take advantage of it. I dont know where to limit his upside......Also want to add i think Maclin being there is GREAT for both of them....Maclin should be nice too going foward. Teams that try and take DJax out of the game and Mac can burn them as we have seen.

Dude what's WITH the capitalization of EVERY verb in your post? It's REALLY annoying.