Deshaun Foster vs. Deangelo Williams (1 Viewer)

[pantherclub]

As predicted by me on these boards, it is impossible for Foster to put together 2 good games in a row. He looked really slow and especially indesicive yesterday. On a short 3rd and 1 with a huge hole Foster tries to walk to get it and gets hammered. Foster also had a ridiculous fumble that killed momentum. (A trademark of Fosters) Williams came and and ran really hard and fast. He even replaced Foster in the 2nd half. I am still predicting that Williams overtakes Foster for good by game 4.

I dont think that there is any Panther fan that watched the game that could disagree with that assessment.

 

[Marc Levin]

Well, what happened in week one and in the preseason? Foster was running way better than DWIlly, right?

Do you think that the coach will base his starting RB decision on only the last game?

BTW, my dog in this fight <<gg>> is DWilly - have him in two leagues and Foster in none.

 

[GridironMenace]

The simple answer right now is that neither are worth starting.

 

[shadyridr]

Why cant is be a RBBC all year? :(

 

[gman8343]

I've been a huge fan of Williams - loved him coming out of college, thought he'd be a Westbrook type duel threat putting up great overall yardage. He hasn't shown these type of skills yet. He was given an opportunity last season when Foster was hurt, and showed flashes, but not enough to wrest the job away, and it doesn't look like he's ready this year yet either.

I still believe he has the skill, but I've tempered my enthusiasm for him. If he was that great he would have put Foster on the bench or at least forced more playing time. We'll see...

 

[pantherclub]

I've been a huge fan of Williams - loved him coming out of college, thought he'd be a Westbrook type duel threat putting up great overall yardage. He hasn't shown these type of skills yet. He was given an opportunity last season when Foster was hurt, and showed flashes, but not enough to wrest the job away, and it doesn't look like he's ready this year yet either. I still believe he has the skill, but I've tempered my enthusiasm for him. If he was that great he would have put Foster on the bench or at least forced more playing time. We'll see...

I am not saying he is great, more like that Foster is not that good. He had one good game in the preseason and ran well last week, but Foster has been a hot and cold player all his career. He cannot run well 2 weeks in a row. Plus the fumbling factor that has haunted him all career. I just think that D Will should get a shot at uncontested starter and get 20-25 carries a game. Most RB's need to establish a rythem and getting a carry here and there doesnt work.

 

[Da Guru]

Pretty sure it goes back to DWillys pass blocking..or lack of it.

 

[zamboni]

Amazing how perceptions change in a mere one week. People were extolling how well Foster looked last week and in pre-season.

Foster may not be that great, but I wouldn't base it off one week.

 

[DoubleG]

Because the Panthers have a head coach and you are not he?

Or it could be that the afore mentioned HC doesn't really care about FF and just wants to use both RBs

 

[EBF]

DeAngelo Williams was a message board darling entering his rookie season, but I always felt he ran small and lacked that "wow" factor that you look for in a great RB prospect. In a best case scenario I could see him developing into a Westbrook type, but I think his talent has always been overrated. Right now it just doesn't seem like he's special enough to take the job from Foster. As much as people dislike Foster for his past failures, he's a decent player who probably runs with more power than Williams. I think he'll continue to get significant work.

 

[omally]

As predicted by me on these boards, it is impossible for Foster to put together 2 good games in a row. He looked really slow and especially indesicive yesterday. On a short 3rd and 1 with a huge hole Foster tries to walk to get it and gets hammered. Foster also had a ridiculous fumble that killed momentum. (A trademark of Fosters) Williams came and and ran really hard and fast. He even replaced Foster in the 2nd half. I am still predicting that Williams overtakes Foster for good by game 4.I dont think that there is any Panther fan that watched the game that could disagree with that assessment.

I don't agree with you. Did you not see Williams get hammered more than once? Foster played in the 3rd quarter, and Williams played the most late in the third and in the fourth, because he is utilitized more than Foster as a pass catcher, and the Panthers were down a lot at this point, and had to throw the ball. I'm not sure what you are complaining about when both backs had a rough day yesterday. Williams had 9 yards more stats wise, and one more carry than Foster. They both had 20 yards receiving. Williams is not outplaying Foster at this point, so I'm not sure what your stink is about.

 

[Big Score]

I just think that D Will should get a shot at uncontested starter and get 20-25 carries a game. Most RB's need to establish a rythem and getting a carry here and there doesnt work.

Of course, couldn't you say exact same thing for Foster?

 

[MarcO]

As predicted by me on these boards, it is impossible for Foster to put together 2 good games in a row. He looked really slow and especially indesicive yesterday. On a short 3rd and 1 with a huge hole Foster tries to walk to get it and gets hammered. Foster also had a ridiculous fumble that killed momentum. (A trademark of Fosters) Williams came and and ran really hard and fast. He even replaced Foster in the 2nd half. I am still predicting that Williams overtakes Foster for good by game 4.I dont think that there is any Panther fan that watched the game that could disagree with that assessment.

congratulations on your prediction after 2 games! They play on the same team, run behind the same O-Line, catch passes from the same QB... and Foster has a higher yds/ carry, more rushing yards, one less fumble, and they have virtually identical receiving numbers. I'm not claiming to know any better - but they seem to be virtually the same player on paper...

 

[FavreCo]

I've been a huge fan of Williams - loved him coming out of college, thought he'd be a Westbrook type duel threat putting up great overall yardage. He hasn't shown these type of skills yet. He was given an opportunity last season when Foster was hurt, and showed flashes, but not enough to wrest the job away, and it doesn't look like he's ready this year yet either.

I still believe he has the skill, but I've tempered my enthusiasm for him. If he was that great he would have put Foster on the bench or at least forced more playing time. We'll see...

How long did it take for Brian Westbrook to make a name for himself? He didn't put up a 100 yard game until his 3rd year. At this point in his career DeAngelo has done more and it's not even close.

 

[gman8343]

I've been a huge fan of Williams - loved him coming out of college, thought he'd be a Westbrook type duel threat putting up great overall yardage. He hasn't shown these type of skills yet. He was given an opportunity last season when Foster was hurt, and showed flashes, but not enough to wrest the job away, and it doesn't look like he's ready this year yet either.

I still believe he has the skill, but I've tempered my enthusiasm for him. If he was that great he would have put Foster on the bench or at least forced more playing time. We'll see...

How long did it take for Brian Westbrook to make a name for himself? He didn't put up a 100 yard game until his 3rd year. At this point in his career DeAngelo has done more and it's not even close.

Very true but Williams seemingly had a more direct path to the starting gig - 1st round pick, one of the most productive college RBs ever. Westbrook didn't have as much fanfair and wasn't expected to take over immediately.

 

[FavreCo]

Very true but Williams seemingly had a more direct path to the starting gig - 1st round pick, one of the most productive college RBs ever. Westbrook didn't have as much fanfair and wasn't expected to take over immediately.

They also haven't let DeAngelo take over. Not from lack of talent. The staff likes Foster for some reason.

 

[switz]

Foster is still better than DWill.

 

[FavreCo]

Foster is still better than DWill.

Better at what? Posting weak numbers?

 

[gman8343]

Very true but Williams seemingly had a more direct path to the starting gig - 1st round pick, one of the most productive college RBs ever. Westbrook didn't have as much fanfair and wasn't expected to take over immediately.

They also haven't let DeAngelo take over. Not from lack of talent. The staff likes Foster for some reason.

What has Williams shown on the field that would make you think he's worthy of starting? I'm a huge fan of his, but so far his game hasn't been consistant. Foster is no gamebreaker either, but from what I've seen Williams hasn't earned the gig.

 

[switz]

Foster is still better than DWill.

Better at what? Posting weak numbers?

If you watched the games you'd know what.

 

[kensat30]

Foster is good enough to hang onto a job. Deangleo is not good enough to take away a job. Foster is not good enough to be featured. Deangelo is too good to keep on the bench. Two years running and we are in the same situation we started in.

 

[JMJ]

This whole thread is pointless. Foster has outperformed DeAngelo for two seasons now and it was Williams (not Foster) who fumbled yesterday.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7776

His second fumble lost this season already as he lost one last week also.

23 carries + 2 fumbles lost = Fumble prone.

Fumble prone + inferior play + bad pass blocking = More bench time for DeAngelo.

HTH.

 

[sholditch]

I've been a huge fan of Williams - loved him coming out of college, thought he'd be a Westbrook type duel threat putting up great overall yardage. He hasn't shown these type of skills yet. He was given an opportunity last season when Foster was hurt, and showed flashes, but not enough to wrest the job away, and it doesn't look like he's ready this year yet either. I still believe he has the skill, but I've tempered my enthusiasm for him. If he was that great he would have put Foster on the bench or at least forced more playing time. We'll see...

agree 100%

 

[Duke1948]

i think the running game could be helped with a little better play calling in the passing game....ie, why not stretch the field a little more instead of all the underneath stuff.

maybe just maybe this could get the LBs and Ss a little deeper and give the RBs a little more space???



edit to add: i own both in a dynasty and would certainly like for one to win the job....don't care which.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Very true but Williams seemingly had a more direct path to the starting gig - 1st round pick, one of the most productive college RBs ever. Westbrook didn't have as much fanfair and wasn't expected to take over immediately.

They also haven't let DeAngelo take over. Not from lack of talent. The staff likes Foster for some reason.

What has Williams shown on the field that would make you think he's worthy of starting? I'm a huge fan of his, but so far his game hasn't been consistant. Foster is no gamebreaker either, but from what I've seen Williams hasn't earned the gig.

 

[compone]

I do have Foster in my league and both probably should/will play. However, Williams fumbles won't help him get more time. More then likely it's RBBC situation... Depending on the hot hand will determine who get's what for carries, but more then likely it's 15-18 carries for Foster and 12-15 for Williams. If Williams could hold onto the ball he would play more. Maybe his blocking skills also come into play here.

 

[Beaumont]

This whole thread is pointless. Foster has outperformed DeAngelo for two seasons now and it was Williams (not Foster) who fumbled yesterday.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7776

His second fumble lost this season already as he lost one last week also.

23 carries + 2 fumbles lost = Fumble prone.

Fumble prone + inferior play + bad pass blocking = More bench time for DeAngelo.

HTH.

The gamebook confirms this ...http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/2...AR_Gamebook.pdf

On NFL Channel highlights they said it was Foster who fumbled ...?

I did not see the game ...

 

[BassNBrew]

i think the running game could be helped with a little better play calling in the passing game....ie, why not stretch the field a little more instead of all the underneath stuff. maybe just maybe this could get the LBs and Ss a little deeper and give the RBs a little more space??? edit to add: i own both in a dynasty and would certainly like for one to win the job....don't care which.

Drew Carter should be free deep numerous times each game. I wonder if the staff has had it's fill of Colbrick hands.

 

[omally]

Drew Carter should be free deep numerous times each game. I wonder if the staff has had it's fill of Colbrick hands.

Carter hasn't exactly shown that he has good hands. He should have caught that deep ball thrown by Delhomme yesterday. I wish the Panthers had kept Keyshawn for one more year.