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I predict when this is all over the gambling exemption for fantasy sports will be removed. Never really made sense to begin with. How is fantasy sports a game of skill but poker isn't?
Very doubtful. Too much money and too many jobs at stake. lIn fact it wouldn't shock me if these fantasy sites dont already have a strong lobby presence lining the politicians pocket to prevent this from happening.

 
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I predict when this is all over the gambling exemption for fantasy sports will be removed. Never really made sense to begin with. How is fantasy sports a game of skill but poker isn't?
Very doubtful. Too much money and too many jobs at stake. lIn fact it wouldn't shock me if these fantasy sites dont already have a strong lobby presence lining the politicians pocket to prevent this from happening.
Yeah i'd have to agree with this.

 
I predict when this is all over the gambling exemption for fantasy sports will be removed. Never really made sense to begin with. How is fantasy sports a game of skill but poker isn't?
Very doubtful. Too much money and too many jobs at stake. lIn fact it wouldn't shock me if these fantasy sites dont already have a strong lobby presence lining the politicians pocket to prevent this from happening.
Not really. If the DOJ and NY AG probes uncover fraud I don't think the industry survives. What is it worth now? A couple billion? Small potatoes considering the scrutiny the exemption will get.

 
I predict when this is all over the gambling exemption for fantasy sports will be removed. Never really made sense to begin with. How is fantasy sports a game of skill but poker isn't?
Very doubtful. Too much money and too many jobs at stake. lIn fact it wouldn't shock me if these fantasy sites dont already have a strong lobby presence lining the politicians pocket to prevent this from happening.
I don't think there's all that many jobs at stake. I believe Fan Duel had 80 employees as of last summer and Draft Kings is around 200 currently.

 
Report: FBI And Justice Department Investigating Legality Of Daily Fantasy"According to a report from the Wall Street Journal, the FBI and the U.S. Department of Justice have both opened probes into daily fantasy sports in an attempt to determine whether they are legal or not. The Journal says there is an “ongoing discussion” within the DOJ regarding the legality of daily fantasy, and whether it actually exempt from the Uniform Internet Gambling Enforcement Act.

The New York Attorney General has already asked the two most prominent daily fantasy sites, DraftKings and FanDuel, to turn over heaps of documents, in addition to inquiries from the Massachusetts Attorney General, two congressional committees, and a federal agency.

Continuing their tone deaf public posturing, DraftKings responded to the Journal by blaming the media for their recent problems:

“It is entirely predictable that the government would follow up on the misleading reports about our industry,” a DraftKings spokeswoman said in a statement. “We have no knowledge of the specifics of any federal investigation but strongly disagree with any notion that our company has engaged in any illegal activities.”

 
I predict when this is all over the gambling exemption for fantasy sports will be removed. Never really made sense to begin with. How is fantasy sports a game of skill but poker isn't?
Very doubtful. Too much money and too many jobs at stake. lIn fact it wouldn't shock me if these fantasy sites dont already have a strong lobby presence lining the politicians pocket to prevent this from happening.
I don't think there's all that many jobs at stake. I believe Fan Duel had 80 employees as of last summer and Draft Kings is around 200 currently.
I don't play dfs but if they declare all fantasy sports gambling, we can likely kiss our league hosting services goodbye.

 
I predict when this is all over the gambling exemption for fantasy sports will be removed. Never really made sense to begin with. How is fantasy sports a game of skill but poker isn't?
Very doubtful. Too much money and too many jobs at stake. lIn fact it wouldn't shock me if these fantasy sites dont already have a strong lobby presence lining the politicians pocket to prevent this from happening.
I don't think there's all that many jobs at stake. I believe Fan Duel had 80 employees as of last summer and Draft Kings is around 200 currently.
I don't play dfs but if they declare all fantasy sports gambling, we can likely kiss our league hosting services goodbye.
I'm not sure. I think they would be fine as long as they don't also have ways to collect money.

 
I predict when this is all over the gambling exemption for fantasy sports will be removed. Never really made sense to begin with. How is fantasy sports a game of skill but poker isn't?
Very doubtful. Too much money and too many jobs at stake. lIn fact it wouldn't shock me if these fantasy sites dont already have a strong lobby presence lining the politicians pocket to prevent this from happening.
I don't think there's all that many jobs at stake. I believe Fan Duel had 80 employees as of last summer and Draft Kings is around 200 currently.
I don't play dfs but if they declare all fantasy sports gambling, we can likely kiss our league hosting services goodbye.
I'm not sure. I think they would be fine as long as they don't also have ways to collect money.
Agreed we're not gambling through MFL or sites like that.

 
Pipes said:
MattFancy said:
habsfan said:
I predict when this is all over the gambling exemption for fantasy sports will be removed. Never really made sense to begin with. How is fantasy sports a game of skill but poker isn't?
Very doubtful. Too much money and too many jobs at stake. lIn fact it wouldn't shock me if these fantasy sites dont already have a strong lobby presence lining the politicians pocket to prevent this from happening.
I don't think there's all that many jobs at stake. I believe Fan Duel had 80 employees as of last summer and Draft Kings is around 200 currently.
I don't play dfs but if they declare all fantasy sports gambling, we can likely kiss our league hosting services goodbye.
I'm not sure. I think they would be fine as long as they don't also have ways to collect money.
Agreed we're not gambling through MFL or sites like that.
I don't think this would effect hosting sites at all. What it might effect would be things like contests the sites hold for money. The MFL 10s for example. Also could effect the sub contest FBG offers as well. Anything with money involved. But just a hosting site itself would have no effect. If I and my buddies exchange money on the side (legal or not) that's not anything that can be stopped.

 
Hosting is just like having a small poker game somewhere that you rent. Keep big money talk out of it and you will be fine.

 
I cant believe ppl still have money in their DFS accounts.
seriously. This is going down just like online poker. People are going to wake up to everything frozen.
I still have fun with it. If I lost the few hundred I have in there, it's not the end of the world.I do think though,that if anyone gets a big score, they should definitely withdraw most of it immediately.

 
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I cant believe ppl still have money in their DFS accounts.
seriously. This is going down just like online poker. People are going to wake up to everything frozen.
I still have fun with it. If I lost the few hundred I have in there, it's not the end of the world.I do think though,that if anyone gets a big score, they should definitely withdraw most of it immediately.
dont get me wrong it's not about having fun....if you are knock yourself out...just saying don't have anything in there you're not willing to lose.
 
I cant believe ppl still have money in their DFS accounts.
seriously. This is going down just like online poker. People are going to wake up to everything frozen.
I still have fun with it. If I lost the few hundred I have in there, it's not the end of the world.I do think though,that if anyone gets a big score, they should definitely withdraw most of it immediately.
No, not the end of the world...

But still amazes me that folks are willing to "lose a few hundred bucks" like it's no big deal...

Essentially, you're ok with some guy walking up to you, reaching his hand in your wallet, taking out a few hundred and walking away with it?.... After he's warned you multiple times that if you keep that money in your wallet, he's going to take it.

That's how I see it, anyways.

 
I cant believe ppl still have money in their DFS accounts.
seriously. This is going down just like online poker. People are going to wake up to everything frozen.
I still have fun with it. If I lost the few hundred I have in there, it's not the end of the world.I do think though,that if anyone gets a big score, they should definitely withdraw most of it immediately.
No, not the end of the world...

But still amazes me that folks are willing to "lose a few hundred bucks" like it's no big deal...

Essentially, you're ok with some guy walking up to you, reaching his hand in your wallet, taking out a few hundred and walking away with it?.... After he's warned you multiple times that if you keep that money in your wallet, he's going to take it.

That's how I see it, anyways.
Oh god, way to exagerate.

 
Oh god, way to exagerate.
How so? Someone is going to steal your money despite all the warning signs being there, that it may not be there when you wake up.
How so? More like "how so will it be stolen?" Explain. So everyone's money will just be gone?

There would be lawsuits out the ying yang.

And keep in mind how many big players are backing the sites now. If money went missing, I think the likelihood of it eventually being refunded is much greater than it being gone for good.

 
Report: FBI And Justice Department Investigating Legality Of Daily Fantasy

"According to a report from the Wall Street Journal, the FBI and the U.S. Department of Justice have both opened probes into daily fantasy sports in an attempt to determine whether they are legal or not. The Journal says there is an “ongoing discussion” within the DOJ regarding the legality of daily fantasy, and whether it actually exempt from the Uniform Internet Gambling Enforcement Act.

The New York Attorney General has already asked the two most prominent daily fantasy sites, DraftKings and FanDuel, to turn over heaps of documents, in addition to inquiries from the Massachusetts Attorney General, two congressional committees, and a federal agency.

Continuing their tone deaf public posturing, DraftKings responded to the Journal by blaming the media for their recent problems:

“It is entirely predictable that the government would follow up on the misleading reports about our industry,” a DraftKings spokeswoman said in a statement. “We have no knowledge of the specifics of any federal investigation but strongly disagree with any notion that our company has engaged in any illegal activities.”
NY Times, Deadspin, and now the original report from the Wall Street Journal:

FBI, Justice Department Investigating Daily Fantasy Sports Business Model FBI agents have been contacting customers of DraftKings to ask them about their experiencesThe U.S. Justice Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation are probing whether the business model of daily fantasy-sports operators violates federal law, according to people familiar with the matter.

FBI agents from the Boston office have been contacting customers of DraftKings Inc. to ask them about their experiences with the Boston-based company, one person familiar with the matter said.

The probe is in the preliminary stage, two people said. It is part of an ongoing discussion within the Justice Department about the legality of daily fantasy sites, in which customers pay entry fees to draft virtual sports teams that compete against each other for prize money based on the real-world performances of athletes. Congress in 2006 prohibited financial companies from transferring money to online gambling sites and several were shut down. But so-called games of skill were exempted. Fantasy-sports sites have since operated under that exemption. So-called daily fantasy sites like DraftKings and FanDuel, Inc. didn’t become popular until after the law was enacted.

The Justice Department is trying to determine whether daily fantasy games are a form of gambling that falls outside the purview of the exemption. No decision on the matter has been reached, these people said.

Hundreds of millions of dollars in venture capital and player money are flowing into the booming fantasy-sports industry, which counts sports leagues, Alphabet Inc. ’s investing arm, and major media companies such as Comcast Corp. and 21st Century Fox Inc. among its investors. Wall Street Journal-owner News Corp and 21st Century Fox were part of the same company until 2013. Walt Disney Co. earlier this year scuttled a planned investment in DraftKings, though the companies maintain a marketing relationship.

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-justice-department-investigating-daily-fantasy-sports-business-model-1444865627

 
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I predict when this is all over the gambling exemption for fantasy sports will be removed. Never really made sense to begin with. How is fantasy sports a game of skill but poker isn't?
In Louisiana there is a state constitutional provision banning gambling, however nonetheless the state supreme court a few years back now said that casinos are "Gaming" but not "gambling." Gambling is banned but "gaming" is not. Bizarre, of course it was totally politically (ie $$$) driven. And yet in LA you cannot play DFS / daily FF because it's considered gambling but you can go to a casino.

These sites now have a lot of money behind them, a lot. They are just as capable of lobbying as most big corporations. Heck they have major media corporations investing in them. If the feds were to fold DFS into the federal internet gambling laws it would not surprise me though.

 
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Oh god, way to exagerate.
How so? Someone is going to steal your money despite all the warning signs being there, that it may not be there when you wake up.
How so? More like "how so will it be stolen?" Explain. So everyone's money will just be gone?

There would be lawsuits out the ying yang.

And keep in mind how many big players are backing the sites now. If money went missing, I think the likelihood of it eventually being refunded is much greater than it being gone for good.
When the government cracked down on online poker people's accounts were frozen and they couldn't cash out until a few years later.

http://espn.go.com/blog/poker/post/_/id/1528/green-friday-ftp-money-returned

I haven't played daily in a couple years so I don't remember how long it takes to withdraw/deposit - might make sense to only leave in what you're going to use this week?

 
Pierce, excellent as always. Felt like he was just getting started, though.
He makes some good points on the gambling front, but one of the bigger questions is how many viewers and how much advertising revenue has the NFL gained as a result of fantasy football and DFS, and how much would it lose without it? I personally would completely stop watching most, if not all of the games, and would have very little interest in it. As a long suffering Lions fan, there would be no point to it. It would turn into the NBA, NHL, MLB for me. Completely boring except for a few marquee matchups and playoff games here and there.

 
Pierce, excellent as always. Felt like he was just getting started, though.
He makes some good points on the gambling front, but one of the bigger questions is how many viewers and how much advertising revenue has the NFL gained as a result of fantasy football and DFS, and how much would it lose without it? I personally would completely stop watching most, if not all of the games, and would have very little interest in it. As a long suffering Lions fan, there would be no point to it. It would turn into the NBA, NHL, MLB for me. Completely boring except for a few marquee matchups and playoff games here and there.
The NFL has fantasy to think for their record TV numbers IMO. Sure, I would still watch some of the bigger matchups, but I don't think I would care much about late season Browns/Jags Thursday night games if it wasn't for fantasy. Alot of people would just watch their team's game like people do for the other sports. Now, I think they would be fine without DFS. But if interest in seasonal fantasy starts to wain, then they will see a decrease in viewers.

 
The big difference between poker and DFS though, is in DFS, the pros play thousands of games a week at all stakes. You can't get away from them by moving down in stakes. How would you like it if you walked into your local cardroom, sat down at a small stakes Hold em game and saw Phil Ivey and a few other top pros sitting there. You get up and move to another table and the same players are sitting there too. That's the way it is on Fan Duel and Draft Kings.
Marauder is correct.

Just like in Vegas, you are a fool if you think you're going to win more than you lose.
My motto when playing week to week is "somebody gotta win". Thankfully I have self control because I can see how this could get out of hand for people.

 
I cant believe ppl still have money in their DFS accounts.
seriously. This is going down just like online poker. People are going to wake up to everything frozen.
I still have fun with it. If I lost the few hundred I have in there, it's not the end of the world.I do think though,that if anyone gets a big score, they should definitely withdraw most of it immediately.
No, not the end of the world...

But still amazes me that folks are willing to "lose a few hundred bucks" like it's no big deal...

Essentially, you're ok with some guy walking up to you, reaching his hand in your wallet, taking out a few hundred and walking away with it?.... After he's warned you multiple times that if you keep that money in your wallet, he's going to take it.

That's how I see it, anyways.
F BG Wadsworth is seeing it differently…to the tune of $50,000.

 
Oh god, way to exagerate.
How so? Someone is going to steal your money despite all the warning signs being there, that it may not be there when you wake up.
I keep $20-$40 in there. It's a nice service for private leagues with my friends. The site gets ~$5 from us per week. Maybe ill enter a 50/50 here or there. Never enter a tournament unless it's capped at one entry per player. Even then it's 1or 2bucks max. Multi entry tourneys seem to be where the scumbags can take advantage of their insider info.

If it all goes away tomorrow, my $30lost will be worth the incessant commercials and ff site promotions.

 
BusterTBronco said:
Oh, that's nothing.

I'm depositing 10k tonite
I'm sure the govt. is going to steal all the money sitting in people's accounts :lmao: seeing how these DFS sites are already deemed perfectly legal to begin with. If anything happens it would be the sites are found to be illegal going forward, the sites are shut down and everyone retains whatever money they have in their account with it being refunded. This isn't some offshore casino we are talking about. It's not like these guys are going bankrupt. Get a clue and stop with your paranoid delusions.

 
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BusterTBronco said:
BusterTBronco said:
DFS: well, looks like their greed and over the top in your face presence has screwed us all (well, not all...just the guys that play dfs and such).
The ramifications could be huge. If Nevada considers DFS to be "gambling" will they extend that to full-season "high stakes" fantasy football as well? Could this be the end of high stakes drafts in Las Vegas?
It might take some time but I think they will eventually have to completely rewrite the lines on this and be very specific all the way down the list. I can see it impacting a lot of these things, sites like MFL included (such as they can't partner with the dfs guys, sponsor contests, etc).

 
People are hoping DFS gets shut down... not realizing the same premise might affect season-long fantasy platforms. Why is everyone so dumb about this?

 
People are hoping DFS gets shut down... not realizing the same premise might affect season-long fantasy platforms. Why is everyone so dumb about this?
No money exchanges hands through the season long platforms. I don't think many on this board want these shut down just some controls in place that's all.

 
People are hoping DFS gets shut down... not realizing the same premise might affect season-long fantasy platforms. Why is everyone so dumb about this?
You sound pretty sure of yourself. I guess I'm dumb, I don't see the connection.

 
People are hoping DFS gets shut down... not realizing the same premise might affect season-long fantasy platforms. Why is everyone so dumb about this?
You sound pretty sure of yourself. I guess I'm dumb, I don't see the connection.
I can live without both if it had to be. I just dislike dfs because it has a very shady feel to it and they run commercials too much.

 

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