Did the Lions get bent over by the refs? (1 Viewer)

[technicaldifficulties]

Fourth quarter. The Lions are driving. Db has both hands on the Lions receiver and is not looking back for the ball. The pass hits the defender square in the back as he pushes over the receiver. The refs call the penalty and then pick up the flag. Did Detroit get screwed?

 

[DropKick]

It was the penalty for Suh stepping on Rodgers...

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

By "bent over' do you mean "bad call"

or

"bad call with the deliberate intent of hurting Detroit's chances of winning"?

 

[parasaurolophus]

Where is the option for detroit screwed themselves? I realize that is kind of a broad answer though for a lot of things.

 

[McGarnicle]

One of the worst calls I've ever seen. I also can't recall a ref ever picking up a flag after announcing the penalty over the PA. I can't imagine how pissed I'd be if I was a Lions fan.

 

[BobbyLayne]

One of the worst calls I've ever seen. I also can't recall a ref ever picking up a flag after announcing the penalty over the PA. I can't imagine how pissed I'd be if I was a Lions fan.

1. Scoring 6 points in the last 48 minutes of the game
2. Giving up a 76 yard TD on 3rd and 12 right before half
3. DeAndre Levey missing the tackle on 3rd and 10 which Dez turnined into a 50 yarder
4. Jim Caldwell not going for it on 4th and 1
5. Sam Martin flat out choking with a 10 yard shank

The call is what it is. Part of winning has to be overcoming adversity. They lost because they didn't make enough plays. One play isn't the whole game.

 

[Zow]

Terrible call.

Not quite the screw job that the refs put on Seattle in the super bowl, but pretty bad.

 

[McGarnicle]

One of the worst calls I've ever seen. I also can't recall a ref ever picking up a flag after announcing the penalty over the PA. I can't imagine how pissed I'd be if I was a Lions fan.

• Scoring 6 points in the last 48 minutes of the game
• Giving up a 76 yard TD on 3rd and 12 right before half
• DeAndre Levey missing the tackle on 3rd and 10 which Dez turnined into a 50 yarder
• Jim Caldwell not going for it on 4th and 1
• Sam Martin flat out choking with a 10 yard shank

The call is what it is. Part of winning has to be overcoming adversity. They lost because they didn't make enough plays. One play isn't the whole game.

Yeah good info. Still one of the worst calls I've ever seen.

 

[Brony]

It was a bad call cause mike pereira said so.

Tough tittays.

 

[Willie Neslon]

I don't understand throwing the flag, having the ref announce the penalty and then picking it up. If they had conferred after the flag was thrown and the ref came out and explained why there was no foul then it wouldn't have been a major issue. I thought watching live it should not have been a penalty but on replay thought the call was justified. He got there early and had his hands on him before the ball arrived.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I thought it was a toss-up as to whether or not it was PI, but picking up the flag after it was announced was bizarre.

It drives me crazy when defenders play the receiver instead of the ball, but doing so in and of itself is not a penalty. If Pettigrew had tried to stop or slowed down significantly and the LB had run him over that would have been one thing, but he really just reached back and the contact was fairly minimal. That's also ignoring that Pettigrew had a pretty good hold of the LB's facemask a few seconds earlier, which could have been called on the offense.

Definitely an odd scenario, and probably went against Detroit, but this is so far away from "worst call ever" that I can't even fathom how any reasonable person would start throwing that statement around. It may be among the weirdest series of events in a long while, with them announcing it and then picking it up, but the PI itself was not egregious. If the flag had never been thrown in the first place no one would even be talking about it. It was no different than 100 other plays every week that probably could have been called as PI but aren't.

 

[Das Boot]

I certainly don't think any of the Refs had sex with the Lions players, but I could be mistaken.

 

[flapgreen]

https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_Pete/status/551952991469961217

 

[jhib]

I missed the game, and with all the hyperbole I've read since, I was expecting a much more obvious pass interference than what I saw when I finally got to see the play in question.

I still haven't seen a replay from a side angle. It seems like the kind of play that could possibly look very different from the side than it does from front or back.

 

[AAABatteries]

Conspiracy theorists are stupid - it was just a bad call.

Don't think it matters, neither of those teams are winning the NFC.

 

[Meatwad Reloaded]

Doesn't matter. Cowboys are going to get crushed next week, just as the Lions would have also. If they wanted to win they should have scored more points.

 

[hagmania]

The refs didn't think it was pass interference, so it wasn't.

Glad they took the time to conference, hash it out, and admit their mistakes. Takes a big man to do that.

 

[Dexter]

Lions fan here. Here's the problem I have. I can deal with a bad call, but I can't deal with is the right call being made and then all of a sudden the flag is picked up and no explanation is given. It's 100% DPI there is no doubt about it. They made the right call and then made the wrong call.

That being said, it's detroit so nobody will really care. Just like nobody will care Mincey stomped on Bell, because "detroit is a dirty team and they deserve to lose."

 

[Zegras11]

I'm glad they got it right in the end.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'm glad they got it right in the end.

The Lions?

 

[The Kerminator]

Lions fan here. Here's the problem I have. I can deal with a bad call, but I can't deal with is the right call being made and then all of a sudden the flag is picked up and no explanation is given. It's 100% DPI there is no doubt about it. They made the right call and then made the wrong call.

That being said, it's detroit so nobody will really care. Just like nobody will care Mincey stomped on Bell, because "detroit is a dirty team and they deserve to lose."

Apparently there is.

 

[Zegras11]

Pretty clear that the NFL wanted the Cowboys to win this game.

And the Lions punter.

 

[technicaldifficulties]

It saddens me that about 1\3 of football guys don't understand football

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Someone had to make up for Romo's continued atrocious play.

 

[jhib]

Lions fan here. Here's the problem I have. I can deal with a bad call, but I can't deal with is the right call being made and then all of a sudden the flag is picked up and no explanation is given. It's 100% DPI there is no doubt about it. They made the right call and then made the wrong call.

That being said, it's detroit so nobody will really care. Just like nobody will care Mincey stomped on Bell, because "detroit is a dirty team and they deserve to lose."

Or simply because the video of it is much less damning.

Are you really equating this play to the Suh step where he lifts up his other foot and puts more weight on Rodgers' leg?

It seems to me that Mincey leaned away from Bell after his momentum took him there. You know, to avoid putting the weight on his leg.

 

[MAC_32]

One of the worst calls I've ever seen. I also can't recall a ref ever picking up a flag after announcing the penalty over the PA. I can't imagine how pissed I'd be if I was a Lions fan.

• Scoring 6 points in the last 48 minutes of the game
• Giving up a 76 yard TD on 3rd and 12 right before half
• DeAndre Levey missing the tackle on 3rd and 10 which Dez turnined into a 50 yarder
• Jim Caldwell not going for it on 4th and 1
• Sam Martin flat out choking with a 10 yard shank

The call is what it is. Part of winning has to be overcoming adversity. They lost because they didn't make enough plays. One play isn't the whole game.

please keep making sense, so many others aren't.

 

[BobbyLayne]

57 seasons without a title.

My 48th season bleeding Honolulu Blue.

Not the most hurtful loss. But it's up there.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

One of the worst calls I've ever seen. I also can't recall a ref ever picking up a flag after announcing the penalty over the PA. I can't imagine how pissed I'd be if I was a Lions fan.

1. Scoring 6 points in the last 48 minutes of the game
2. Giving up a 76 yard TD on 3rd and 12 right before half
3. DeAndre Levey missing the tackle on 3rd and 10 which Dez turnined into a 50 yarder
4. Jim Caldwell not going for it on 4th and 1
5. Sam Martin flat out choking with a 10 yard shank

The call is what it is. Part of winning has to be overcoming adversity. They lost because they didn't make enough plays. One play isn't the whole game.

You're OK for a Lions fan.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I met Morelli once, and while some of you sour grapes won't believe this, he's a good dude. Saw him again a week later at the same bar and Zangrilii poured us drinks all night...on the house. Great guys.

THERE IT IS!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I met Morelli once, and while some of you sour grapes won't believe this, he's a good dude. Saw him again a week later at the same bar and Zangrilii poured us drinks all night...on the house. Great guys.

 

[The General]

Lions fan here. Here's the problem I have. I can deal with a bad call, but I can't deal with is the right call being made and then all of a sudden the flag is picked up and no explanation is given. It's 100% DPI there is no doubt about it. They made the right call and then made the wrong call.

That being said, it's detroit so nobody will really care. Just like nobody will care Mincey stomped on Bell, because "detroit is a dirty team and they deserve to lose."

They messed up not explaining. Main Ref explains here: LINK

Was a missed call IMO but not really that bad especially considering the Lion was grabbing at the guys facemask and pulled him towards him.

 

[The General]

One of the worst calls I've ever seen. I also can't recall a ref ever picking up a flag after announcing the penalty over the PA. I can't imagine how pissed I'd be if I was a Lions fan.

• Scoring 6 points in the last 48 minutes of the game
• Giving up a 76 yard TD on 3rd and 12 right before half
• DeAndre Levey missing the tackle on 3rd and 10 which Dez turnined into a 50 yarder
• Jim Caldwell not going for it on 4th and 1
• Sam Martin flat out choking with a 10 yard shank

The call is what it is. Part of winning has to be overcoming adversity. They lost because they didn't make enough plays. One play isn't the whole game.

please keep making sense, so many others aren't.

I'm starting to think BobbyLayne is some type of Saint, he is handling this like a pro.

It's Cowboy haters that seem to be having a hard time.

 

[General Malaise]

That BS acting job by the punter that gave the Lions a 1st down deep in their own territory after the Cowboys held them was more of a controversial call, IMO. He was yoking it up and slapping five after it was called. Total crap.

 

[General Malaise]

I met Morelli once, and while some of you sour grapes won't believe this, he's a good dude. Saw him again a week later at the same bar and Zangrilii poured us drinks all night...on the house. Great guys.

Zangrilli? The guy that stole all the magic football money?

 

[Dexter]

Lions fan here. Here's the problem I have. I can deal with a bad call, but I can't deal with is the right call being made and then all of a sudden the flag is picked up and no explanation is given. It's 100% DPI there is no doubt about it. They made the right call and then made the wrong call.

That being said, it's detroit so nobody will really care. Just like nobody will care Mincey stomped on Bell, because "detroit is a dirty team and they deserve to lose."

They messed up not explaining. Main Ref explains here: LINK

Was a missed call IMO but not really that bad especially considering the Lion was grabbing at the guys facemask and pulled him towards him.

Missed call after they made the right call. I can understand a missed call refs are human. But the right call being made announced and then changed into the wrong call?

Whatever the lions where going to lose we already knew that. Cause they are the lions so it doesn't matter.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I met Morelli once, and while some of you sour grapes won't believe this, he's a good dude. Saw him again a week later at the same bar and Zangrilii poured us drinks all night...on the house. Great guys.

Zangrilli? The guy that stole all the magic football money?

Long term loan, IMO.

 

[AAABatteries]

That BS acting job by the punter that gave the Lions a 1st down deep in their own territory after the Cowboys held them was more of a controversial call, IMO. He was yoking it up and slapping five after it was called. Total crap.

Wasn't it just running in to the kicker? Can't they basically call that any time someone runs in to the kicker? I thought for sure they would call it when the Det guy ran in to the Dallas kicker.

 

[Dexter]

Lions fan here. Here's the problem I have. I can deal with a bad call, but I can't deal with is the right call being made and then all of a sudden the flag is picked up and no explanation is given. It's 100% DPI there is no doubt about it. They made the right call and then made the wrong call.

That being said, it's detroit so nobody will really care. Just like nobody will care Mincey stomped on Bell, because "detroit is a dirty team and they deserve to lose."

Or simply because the video of it is much less damning.

Are you really equating this play to the Suh step where he lifts up his other foot and puts more weight on Rodgers' leg?

It seems to me that Mincey leaned away from Bell after his momentum took him there. You know, to avoid putting the weight on his leg.

like the guy in the article said, suhs fine was also mislabel as a stomp, but that didn't stop the NFL. again doesn't matter because it's the Lions and nobody really cares about the bottom feeders.

 

[Smack Tripper]

I would imagine there will be a class action lawsuit by Lions fans here... and I have to wonder if this might be the one time a fan base ended up winning some damages in this kind of a scenario. The call itself was awful, and coupled with many other ones (the Beasley one really annoyed me, its now the D-backs fault that Beasley is 5'8 and standard contact results in a blow to the head). But what is the procederual protocol that played out on this penalty? Not one of us has ever seen a play overturned in this fashion.

I'm also not one to call for jobs, but my goodness, I would fire this crew tomorrow... again, less so for the bad call but more for the aftermath and perception they have created... Its a play with that many potential ramifications...

if its not swept under the rug, which the broadcast partners and media puppets like King are sure to do. Kudos to Fox and Periera for being critical, and ESPN got on it, but this is slowly spinning out of the cycle already.

Its not the worst call I've ever seen, but without question, the worst process since... the 72 olympics? The end of Meldrick Taylor and Julio Cesar Chavez?

 

[Smack Tripper]

That BS acting job by the punter that gave the Lions a 1st down deep in their own territory after the Cowboys held them was more of a controversial call, IMO. He was yoking it up and slapping five after it was called. Total crap.

that was running into the kicker, by definition? Hit him in the plant leg

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I would imagine there will be a class action lawsuit by Lions fans here..

 

[Dexter]

I would imagine there will be a class action lawsuit by Lions fans here..

I might be drunk. But not that drunk.

 

[AAABatteries]

I would imagine there will be a class action lawsuit by Lions fans here..

 

[General Malaise]

That BS acting job by the punter that gave the Lions a 1st down deep in their own territory after the Cowboys held them was more of a controversial call, IMO. He was yoking it up and slapping five after it was called. Total crap.

Wasn't it just running in to the kicker? Can't they basically call that any time someone runs in to the kicker? I thought for sure they would call it when the Det guy ran in to the Dallas kicker.

Was not roughing the kicker but running into the kicker and I've seen much worse examples where the flag is not thrown, like your second example above. I think the Lions' punter deserved an Emmy or Oscar or Tony or whatever the hell those acting trophies are called for flopping after getting grazed.

 

[The General]

I would imagine there will be a class action lawsuit by Lions fans here... and I have to wonder if this might be the one time a fan base ended up winning some damages in this kind of a scenario. The call itself was awful, and coupled with many other ones (the Beasley one really annoyed me, its now the D-backs fault that Beasley is 5'8 and standard contact results in a blow to the head). But what is the procederual protocol that played out on this penalty? Not one of us has ever seen a play overturned in this fashion.

I'm also not one to call for jobs, but my goodness, I would fire this crew tomorrow... again, less so for the bad call but more for the aftermath and perception they have created... Its a play with that many potential ramifications...

if its not swept under the rug, which the broadcast partners and media puppets like King are sure to do. Kudos to Fox and Periera for being critical, and ESPN got on it, but this is slowly spinning out of the cycle already.

Its not the worst call I've ever seen, but without question, the worst process since... the 72 olympics? The end of Meldrick Taylor and Julio Cesar Chavez?

Oh come on.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Not kidding at all. Not a lions fan either.

At a certain point though, the finances of these teams and with the tangible time and dollar investments teams are asking of fans, there have been class actuon suits over bad calls. Now, they really haven't GONE anywhere but I would imagine it's incumbent upon the league to make sure the table isnt tilted.

If you can quantify value in enjoyment and time, you can monetize that as well. And reckless damage to such without remedy may be an actionable civil pursuit.

Now, being pragmatic, I would suppose you would have to prove that the lions would have had a doffernt outcome which with 3 minutes or so left and a 3 point lead would be a challenge.

 

[Smack Tripper]

That BS acting job by the punter that gave the Lions a 1st down deep in their own territory after the Cowboys held them was more of a controversial call, IMO. He was yoking it up and slapping five after it was called. Total crap.

Wasn't it just running in to the kicker? Can't they basically call that any time someone runs in to the kicker? I thought for sure they would call it when the Det guy ran in to the Dallas kicker.

Was not roughing the kicker but running into the kicker and I've seen much worse examples where the flag is not thrown, like your second example above. I think the Lions' punter deserved an Emmy or Oscar or Tony or whatever the hell those acting trophies are called for flopping after getting grazed.

Detroit rusher was clearly pushed by the Dallas blocker. Whether he would have hit him regardless we won't know but that's why it wasn't called because that push was clear

 

[Green and Gold]

I would imagine there will be a class action lawsuit by Lions fans here..

Put out a warrant for Chara's arrest!

 

[jhib]

Now, being pragmatic, I would suppose you would have to prove that the lions would have had a doffernt outcome which with 3 minutes or so left and a 3 point lead would be a challenge.

There was over 8 min left in the game.

And they'd also have to prove more than just a poor performance on the job by the refs, wouldn't they? Otherwise, they might as well sue Matt Stafford, too, while they're at it.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Now, being pragmatic, I would suppose you would have to prove that the lions would have had a doffernt outcome which with 3 minutes or so left and a 3 point lead would be a challenge.

There was over 8 min left in the game.

And they'd also have to prove more than just a poor performance on the job by the refs, wouldn't they? Otherwise, they might as well sue Matt Stafford, too, while they're at it.

Not in a civil matter. You claim in this scenario, the NFL through stuctrure and implementation of its field policy, was both negligent with oversight and brought irrepairible harm to Lions fans or NFL fans or whoever the plaintiff is by creating procedure mid-game.

But the cart is well before the horse, there is no suit, no mention of one, so I'm doing some sunday night spouting. Were there one, I would certainly base my defense argument around your point. I think the key is the lack of precedent for the call at the juncture of the game.