Did we stop remembering 9/11 in here? (1 Viewer)

[kentric]

Kind of strange, but I'm situated right next to Ground Zero (I can look down at the memorial) and I feel less involved emotionally than my best friend who hasn't lived in NY in 20 years. I actually feel kind of de-sensitized to it all.

 

[RUSF18]

i remember the big yellow thread.. i had just started working at my job... I was just 2 months into my career and was pissed people in the midwest were cancelling appointments over this (i didn't fully "get it")

You wanna talk about not getting it...

I was a freshman at Rutgers and we were starting our second week of classes. We were able to go up to the roof of the dorm and see the smoke from the towers. Classes for the day were first canceled and then classes for Wednesday were canceled. Unfortunately, the young/dumb/groupthink mentality took over and seemingly everyone just got absolutely hammered on account of not having classes to worry about for at least the next couple days, and it was a complete party atmosphere everywhere. Once everything calmed down a bit and we started hearing about close friends who had lost parents, relatives, etc...the amount of shame felt was pretty high.

Still the biggest regret of my life and something I think of frequently to this day.

 

[General Malaise]

Back in January my sister informed me that she was convinced 9/11 was an inside job; that it was our government that instigated the attack. Some 'guys' she works with convinced her of this with the key piece of evidence a video of a 'grey' plane smashing into the building - NOT an American Airlines plane or United. I told her she was sick in the head and that if she believed that, I wanted nothing to do with her again.

I have pretty much removed her from my life. For a number of reasons, but this one is a big deal to me. I don't want to know a person who believes this was a conspiracy theory. And I sure as hell don't want to be blood related to them either. Makes me sick.

 

[azgroover]

Back in January my sister informed me that she was convinced 9/11 was an inside job; that it was our government that instigated the attack. Some 'guys' she works with convinced her of this with the key piece of evidence a video of a 'grey' plane smashing into the building - NOT an American Airlines plane or United. I told her she was sick in the head and that if she believed that, I wanted nothing to do with her again.

I have pretty much removed her from my life. For a number of reasons, but this one is a big deal to me. I don't want to know a person who believes this was a conspiracy theory. And I sure as hell don't want to be blood related to them either. Makes me sick.

Today, I just learned Pete Carroll may be a truther.

Is Seahawks coach Pete Carroll a 9/11 truther? That all depends: Does badgering a former four-star general about whether 9/11 was real make one a truther?

Here's what happened, according to a couple sources: Late last spring, retired general Peter Chiarelli, who had just finished his term as the Army's vice chief of staff, visited Carroll at the Seattle Seahawks headquarters. Chiarelli was expecting a pleasant meeting. After all, the pair had what important businesspeople tend to call synergies: Chiarelli—who grew up in Seattle—is a big Seahawks fan. His post-military work concerns traumatic brain injury research, a cause of some significance to the NFL. And both have plenty of experience leading groups of men on grand American stages.

The sit-down between Chiarelli and Carroll started off normally enough. They talked about the team, and then about head trauma. Chiarelli, who commanded the American forces in Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom II, talked about the brain injuries he had seen there. But Chiarelli's mention of Iraq sent Carroll in another direction: He wanted to know if the September 11 attacks had been planned or faked by the United States government.

In particular, Carroll wanted to know whether the attack on the Pentagon had really happened. Chiarelli—who was the top-ranking Army official inside the Pentagon when American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into its western side—explained that it had. He said he had lost many colleagues. But Carroll didn't stop there. He ran through the whole 9/11 truther litany.

"Every 9/11 conspiracy theory you can think of, Pete asked about," said Riki Ellison, the former NFL linebacker who now runs the Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance and introduced Carroll to Chiarelli. Ellison, along with Seahawks offensive line coach Pat Ruel, was at the meeting as well. "And he didn't stop at 9/11—he had lots of questions about the role of the military today." (Carroll does seem to have some fondness for the military. He lectured at a military-sponsored "conference on small unit excellence" in 2009, and last year Ellison connected him with Army soldiers at Camp Carroll in Korea.)

Carroll isn't crazy, Ellison said. He's just skeptical. "Pete grew up in California during Vietnam, and during Watergate. That's just the perspective he brings to the table."

So did the discussion last year turn hostile? A source close to Chiarelli, one who wasn't present when he spoke to Carroll, told us that it did. He said the general had to leave the room because Carroll had rankled him so thoroughly. Ellison told us that that wasn't true, that the discussion had remained friendly and "fun" throughout. A spokesman for Chiarelli at his foundation, One Mind for Research, did not respond to repeated phone and email requests.

Ellison said Carroll did only what anyone else would do: "Pete had a four-star general in the room, one of the army's top guys. Why wouldn't you push the envelope?"

 

[NCCommish]

Back in January my sister informed me that she was convinced 9/11 was an inside job; that it was our government that instigated the attack. Some 'guys' she works with convinced her of this with the key piece of evidence a video of a 'grey' plane smashing into the building - NOT an American Airlines plane or United. I told her she was sick in the head and that if she believed that, I wanted nothing to do with her again.

I have pretty much removed her from my life. For a number of reasons, but this one is a big deal to me. I don't want to know a person who believes this was a conspiracy theory. And I sure as hell don't want to be blood related to them either. Makes me sick.

Sorry to hear that GM. I have no patience for those idiots either.

 

[NCCommish]

Back in January my sister informed me that she was convinced 9/11 was an inside job; that it was our government that instigated the attack. Some 'guys' she works with convinced her of this with the key piece of evidence a video of a 'grey' plane smashing into the building - NOT an American Airlines plane or United. I told her she was sick in the head and that if she believed that, I wanted nothing to do with her again.

I have pretty much removed her from my life. For a number of reasons, but this one is a big deal to me. I don't want to know a person who believes this was a conspiracy theory. And I sure as hell don't want to be blood related to them either. Makes me sick.

Today, I just learned Pete Carroll may be a truther.

Is Seahawks coach Pete Carroll a 9/11 truther? That all depends: Does badgering a former four-star general about whether 9/11 was real make one a truther?

Here's what happened, according to a couple sources: Late last spring, retired general Peter Chiarelli, who had just finished his term as the Army's vice chief of staff, visited Carroll at the Seattle Seahawks headquarters. Chiarelli was expecting a pleasant meeting. After all, the pair had what important businesspeople tend to call synergies: Chiarelli—who grew up in Seattle—is a big Seahawks fan. His post-military work concerns traumatic brain injury research, a cause of some significance to the NFL. And both have plenty of experience leading groups of men on grand American stages.

The sit-down between Chiarelli and Carroll started off normally enough. They talked about the team, and then about head trauma. Chiarelli, who commanded the American forces in Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom II, talked about the brain injuries he had seen there. But Chiarelli's mention of Iraq sent Carroll in another direction: He wanted to know if the September 11 attacks had been planned or faked by the United States government.

In particular, Carroll wanted to know whether the attack on the Pentagon had really happened. Chiarelli—who was the top-ranking Army official inside the Pentagon when American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into its western side—explained that it had. He said he had lost many colleagues. But Carroll didn't stop there. He ran through the whole 9/11 truther litany.

"Every 9/11 conspiracy theory you can think of, Pete asked about," said Riki Ellison, the former NFL linebacker who now runs the Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance and introduced Carroll to Chiarelli. Ellison, along with Seahawks offensive line coach Pat Ruel, was at the meeting as well. "And he didn't stop at 9/11—he had lots of questions about the role of the military today." (Carroll does seem to have some fondness for the military. He lectured at a military-sponsored "conference on small unit excellence" in 2009, and last year Ellison connected him with Army soldiers at Camp Carroll in Korea.)

Carroll isn't crazy, Ellison said. He's just skeptical. "Pete grew up in California during Vietnam, and during Watergate. That's just the perspective he brings to the table."

So did the discussion last year turn hostile? A source close to Chiarelli, one who wasn't present when he spoke to Carroll, told us that it did. He said the general had to leave the room because Carroll had rankled him so thoroughly. Ellison told us that that wasn't true, that the discussion had remained friendly and "fun" throughout. A spokesman for Chiarelli at his foundation, One Mind for Research, did not respond to repeated phone and email requests.

Ellison said Carroll did only what anyone else would do: "Pete had a four-star general in the room, one of the army's top guys. Why wouldn't you push the envelope?"

Because you have more respect for a man that lost colleagues and brothers in arms that day than to ask him that horse####?

 

[General Malaise]

Maybe Pete Carroll can date my sister. "Clueless in Seattle".....

 

[Apple Jack]

You disowned your sister because she's stupid?

 

[Fennis]

My Uncle is a truther and believes pretty much in almost any conspiracy theory you can think of. I find it fascinating listening to him and hearing his thought process even though I don't agree with him on most of what he believes.

 

[General Malaise]

You disowned your sister because she's stupid?

Can you disown a sibling?

She's not stupid. Which makes it that much harder for me to stomach. She should know better.

 

[Dentist]

i remember the big yellow thread.. i had just started working at my job... I was just 2 months into my career and was pissed people in the midwest were cancelling appointments over this (i didn't fully "get it")

You wanna talk about not getting it...

I was a freshman at Rutgers and we were starting our second week of classes. We were able to go up to the roof of the dorm and see the smoke from the towers. Classes for the day were first canceled and then classes for Wednesday were canceled. Unfortunately, the young/dumb/groupthink mentality took over and seemingly everyone just got absolutely hammered on account of not having classes to worry about for at least the next couple days, and it was a complete party atmosphere everywhere. Once everything calmed down a bit and we started hearing about close friends who had lost parents, relatives, etc...the amount of shame felt was pretty high.

Still the biggest regret of my life and something I think of frequently to this day.

I probably would've done the same thing and felt the same way.

Sometimes it's hard to truly understand what's going down when you're young.

 

[SacramentoBob]

One Wisconsin golf course remembers

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Wisconsin Golf Club Features $9.11 Special On 9/11 Anniversary

ALL IN!!!

Can't tell if that's a submarine on fire or an old timey locomotive. Either way, can't think of a reason they'd need to prepare for that happening at an airport.

Kinda looks like an iron lung.

 

[Zow]

i remember the big yellow thread.. i had just started working at my job... I was just 2 months into my career and was pissed people in the midwest were cancelling appointments over this (i didn't fully "get it")

You wanna talk about not getting it...

I was a freshman at Rutgers and we were starting our second week of classes. We were able to go up to the roof of the dorm and see the smoke from the towers. Classes for the day were first canceled and then classes for Wednesday were canceled. Unfortunately, the young/dumb/groupthink mentality took over and seemingly everyone just got absolutely hammered on account of not having classes to worry about for at least the next couple days, and it was a complete party atmosphere everywhere. Once everything calmed down a bit and we started hearing about close friends who had lost parents, relatives, etc...the amount of shame felt was pretty high.

Still the biggest regret of my life and something I think of frequently to this day.

i remember the big yellow thread.. i had just started working at my job... I was just 2 months into my career and was pissed people in the midwest were cancelling appointments over this (i didn't fully "get it")

You wanna talk about not getting it...

I was a freshman at Rutgers and we were starting our second week of classes. We were able to go up to the roof of the dorm and see the smoke from the towers. Classes for the day were first canceled and then classes for Wednesday were canceled. Unfortunately, the young/dumb/groupthink mentality took over and seemingly everyone just got absolutely hammered on account of not having classes to worry about for at least the next couple days, and it was a complete party atmosphere everywhere. Once everything calmed down a bit and we started hearing about close friends who had lost parents, relatives, etc...the amount of shame felt was pretty high.

Still the biggest regret of my life and something I think of frequently to this day.

Funny I was a freshman in college too and while it wasn't a giant party, it's just pretty embarrassing how little I and said of my friends care.

I stumbled into my 8 AM (CST) class right on time (the plane would have hit just a few minutes prior) to the sight of our TA crying like crazy. She had said her dad was in the Twin Towers. I had no idea what she was talking about. Our professor let us out immediately - with my first thought being "hell yeah I can go back to bed." When I got back to the dorm my roommate had the TV on and we saw the second plane hit. We both commented on how nuts this all was... and then went back to bed. There was a prayer vigil that night and I played basketball instead.

I can't honestly say I regretted anything about it, but it's pretty embarrassing to admit just how little I cared. Didn't really hit me until I saw the New York skyline at Shea the next summer and realized the giant space where the towers used to be.

 

[badmojo1006]

Yeah I heard that about Pete Carroll. He was already pretty high up on my "Most Despised" list. Never liked the P O S

 

[QuizGuy66]

No we did not forget :(

We never will forget NYC, Arlington/DC and Shanksville and that terrible day :(

 

[Good Posting Judge]

now I celebrate the lives of the men and women who lost theirs and instead of mourning their souls, I choose to harness that energy for better things.

Yes. Fighting with assistant managers at Walgreen's and people in movie theatres instead of raising your kid. We all learned a lot from 9/11, apparently.

 

[Limp Ditka]

now I celebrate the lives of the men and women who lost theirs and instead of mourning their souls, I choose to harness that energy for better things.

Yes. Fighting with assistant managers at Walgreen's and people in movie theatres instead of raising your kid. We all learned a lot from 9/11, apparently.

:3/28/13:

Never Forget

 

[tommyboy]

Just reason #5634 to hate the seahawks

 

[T Bell]

my link

 

[boots11234]

I remember the first year all the way to 9-11-2002, then over time you start thinking about it less and less to the point you only think about it when the news brings it to your attention once a year.

I have to say my life changed a lot in how I thought about the World, mostly it filled with a lot of anger and hate for the Middle East for several years, mission accomplished by the terrorists.

In more recent years I feel mostly all of it was a major waste. Waste of time, energy, and a lot of lives. I would say more today than back then, I feel more reserved about any kind of military involvement. I wish more than anything for our government to lead the War on Peace, meaning more acceptance of differences we are gonna have with people who grew up in other regions of the World and are reflections of their environments.

Not everyone was lucky enough to be born in the United States. I am simply grateful to our men and women in uniform, my heart always is heavy when I think about the men and women who lost their lives just living their lives like any other day. I used to mourn or feel bad on 9-11, now I celebrate the lives of the men and women who lost theirs and instead of mourning their souls, I choose to harness that energy for better things.

I was kind of shocked to not see a thread on page 1. I judge not and if everyone wants to let this page fall into the black hole of the FFA that's fine but I was curious why others are not posting much about it.

The possible involvement in Syria had me thinking a little more about 9/11 this year. I remember us all huddled in the FFA that day.

Thanks

Do you really believe this? Wow and lol about saying acceptance. Do you think we are not accepting enough as a nation? Again lol. We are not the ones chopping off heads. It makes me laugh when I see idiots with that coexist bumper sticker written with symbols of the worlds faiths. What a bunch of bs, America is the most accepting nation in the world. Try that bumper sticker in Iran and see what happens. No, we are not the ones who need to be more accepting. Also wtf is war on peace? It is because we are strong that the world is a better place. War is awful but necessary to stop evil at times.

 

[FUBAR]

Kind of strange, but I'm situated right next to Ground Zero (I can look down at the memorial) and I feel less involved emotionally than my best friend who hasn't lived in NY in 20 years. I actually feel kind of de-sensitized to it all.

We are De-sensitized to it here too, and I'm surrounded by guys that have lived the aftermath for the last decade.

 

[johnnycakes]

Oh, the wave of patriotism we felt for 3-4 years after 9-11 is officially passé. Right after 9-11, if someone would have criticized the NSA for its most recent shenanigans, such person would have been called an unpatriotic dooshbag, for example.

 

[FUBAR]

i remember the big yellow thread.. i had just started working at my job... I was just 2 months into my career and was pissed people in the midwest were cancelling appointments over this (i didn't fully "get it")

You wanna talk about not getting it...I was a freshman at Rutgers and we were starting our second week of classes. We were able to go up to the roof of the dorm and see the smoke from the towers. Classes for the day were first canceled and then classes for Wednesday were canceled. Unfortunately, the young/dumb/groupthink mentality took over and seemingly everyone just got absolutely hammered on account of not having classes to worry about for at least the next couple days, and it was a complete party atmosphere everywhere. Once everything calmed down a bit and we started hearing about close friends who had lost parents, relatives, etc...the amount of shame felt was pretty high.

Still the biggest regret of my life and something I think of frequently to this day.

I probably would've done the same thing and felt the same way.

Sometimes it's hard to truly understand what's going down when you're young.

I had the experience of "visiting" fort irwin, ca after 9/11. I remember walking around, seeing troops on high alert, blocked off from the family by concertina wire and just thinking how strange it was.

 

[Zow]

my link

 

[Limp Ditka]

:sonsbday:

Never Remember

 

[rockaction]

In more recent years I feel mostly all of it was a major waste. Waste of time, energy, and a lot of lives. I would say more today than back then, I feel more reserved about any kind of military involvement. I wish more than anything for our government to lead the War on Peace, meaning more acceptance of differences we are gonna have with people who grew up in other regions of the World and are reflections of their environments.

Oh for hells sake.

 

[Otis]

Nope, still definitely remember it.

 

[Koya]

Will never forget, but hopefully we've stopped with the what were you doing on 9/11 threads.

Wow, you were at work watching coverage on the one ####ty office TV like millions of others? :mindblown:

I was panicked trying to contact my family and friends whom worked in the buildings and for hours we had no idea if they survived.

On 9/11 some of those friends were literally dodging body parts and falling/jumping bodies at the site as they ran.

If we need to keep THOSE threads going to remind people that this was not a tv event, ill be the first the start another.

It's a shallow sadness to see thoughts like this expressed, even though I understand they are not said out of malice. It hurts nonetheless.

 

[Da Guru]

I was in Bethesda that day staying at the DoubleTree and it was my first time in the DC area. and it was total chaos..The day before I had a great time touring the city and just loving the early Sept weather...the next day I kept thinking WTF is going on..this can`t be real. Plus I was by myself with my family at home.

Every September I count the days to 9-11. Thanking for what we have..remembering what we lost, sad for what is has caused. Life goes on though...

 

[BobbyLayne]

Punctuation aside, I loved this FB status from a dear friend and neighbor:

I breathed in those towers and then as now I thought, I'll go down with the ship. NYC forever.

 

[rockaction]

I was in Bethesda that day staying at the DoubleTree and it was my first time in the DC area. and it was total chaos..The day before I had a great time touring the city and just loving the early Sept weather...the next day I kept thinking WTF is going on..this can`t be real. Plus I was by myself with my family at home.

Every September I count the days to 9-11. Thanking for what we have..remembering what we lost, sad for what is has caused. Life goes on though...

I lived around D.C. at the time, and all I can remember for the next few days was a weird quiet, coupled with tanks in the streets. I'd lived there for five years, and right away, everything changed. Very odd time to be down there and in that area. I still remember walking by a lot of military personnel in order to get to work downtown.

 

[General Malaise]

I think my boys are old enough now to watch a documentary on this. Is there anything on the TV tonight worth showing them? Figure you East Coast guys might have a head start on the viewing to us on the west coast.

 

[Raider Nation]

Just starting on The History Channel: 102 Minutes That Changed America

Intense.

 

[Underachievers]

One Wisconsin golf course remembers

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Wisconsin Golf Club Features $9.11 Special On 9/11 Anniversary

Obviously, they are getting butchered here locally.

It went viral they are getting butchered everywhere.

And well deserved.

They have been doing it for 3 years. Not sure why people decided that this would be the year that they got their panties in a bunch about it.

Guess I will have to stop partaking in Memorial Day Weekends sales at the grocery store now.

 

[Raider Nation]

This is still mind-blowing. These cops and firemen KNEW they were climbing to their death. Enormous, gigantic balls. :(

 

[General Malaise]

This is still mind-blowing. These cops and firemen KNEW they were climbing to their death. Enormous, gigantic balls. :(

Yup. I get chills watching it still. Also, the nerves of the guys on Flight 93 that knew they were going to die, but took down the terrorists before they could slam into another building. Heroes. All of 'em.

 

[cstu]

This is still mind-blowing. These cops and firemen KNEW they were climbing to their death. Enormous, gigantic balls. :(

The firefighters didn't know the towers were going to collapse.

 

[General Malaise]

Just turned it on. People falling to their deaths. Not showing this to my kids. Way too much for them. :( This is hard to watch.

 

[Raider Nation]

This is still mind-blowing. These cops and firemen KNEW they were climbing to their death. Enormous, gigantic balls. :(

The firefighters didn't know the towers were going to collapse.

They had a pretty good idea they weren't coming out alive. Every documentary you see, the fire chiefs back at the station said these guys pretty much knew they were walking towards sure doom. If you have a wife and kids at home, does the thought go through your head even for a second to run from this disaster and move to Australia in shame?

 

[General Malaise]

This is still mind-blowing. These cops and firemen KNEW they were climbing to their death. Enormous, gigantic balls. :(

The firefighters didn't know the towers were going to collapse.

Is that a fact? I was trading that day, which put me in the hot seat at 5:20am and as with all hedge funds, CNBC is on constantly. I watched it live. Before they both collapsed, one of our portfolio managers said they would collapse within an hour due to the heat. I would think some firefighters and cops knew that too. But I don't know that for sure.

 

[Raider Nation]

Imagine how hellish it was inside those buildings, when jumping from 100 floors up seems like a preferable option.

 

[cstu]

This is still mind-blowing. These cops and firemen KNEW they were climbing to their death. Enormous, gigantic balls. :(

The firefighters didn't know the towers were going to collapse.

Is that a fact? I was trading that day, which put me in the hot seat at 5:20am and as with all hedge funds, CNBC is on constantly. I watched it live. Before they both collapsed, one of our portfolio managers said they would collapse within an hour due to the heat. I would think some firefighters and cops knew that too. But I don't know that for sure.

Apparently it is - here's an article on how little the firefighters knew.

As far as others knowing they would collapse, I'm not sure what to believe since Giuliani has changed his story.

I don't believe in a conspiracy, this is just the site that had it:

According to an interview he did with Peter Jennings of ABC News at 1 p.m. on Sept. 11, 2001, Giuliani said he had been told by officials in his own Office of Emergency Management that the twin towers of the World Trade Center were in danger of imminent collapse.

But how could he or anyone from the OEM know this? There was no precedent for a steel-framed building collapsing due to fire. And the impact of airliners, by the government’s own admission, did not bring the towers down.

Giuliani told Jennings:

“We were operating out of there (75 Barclay Street, where they had set up temporary headquarters) when we heard that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse. And it did collapse before we were able to get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out.”

This comment left Giuliani with a problem. How could he explain where this information came from? Incredibly the 9/11 Commission didn’t address this critical issue, and no journalist followed up by asking him about it in the years that followed. It took two 9/11 Truth activists with a video camera to get him to clarify his statement in 2007.

Giuliani’s new version:

“I didn’t realize the towers would collapse….Our understanding was that over a long period of time, the way other buildings collapsed, the towers could collapse, meaning over a 7, 8, 9, 10-hour period. No one that I knew of had any idea they would implode. That was a complete surprise.”

 

[BobbyLayne]

This is still mind-blowing. These cops and firemen KNEW they were climbing to their death. Enormous, gigantic balls. :(

The firefighters didn't know the towers were going to collapse.

They had a pretty good idea they weren't coming out alive. Every documentary you see, the fire chiefs back at the station said these guys pretty much knew they were walking towards sure doom. If you have a wife and kids at home, does the thought go through your head even for a second to run from this disaster and move to Australia in shame?

WTF...ummm, no

About six months after 9/11, one night I woke up slowly to the realization my exposed brick was glowing yellow. It finally dawned on me my bedroom was lit up fairly bright in orange-yellow. I hopped out of bed and turned around to see the row house 80 feet away - the distance of my back yard plus their's - was engulfed in flames. It was an antique store, and no doubt the back room on the parlor level was full of strippers and other flammable liquids. Obviously, this place was going to a total wreck, the flames were shooting out the windows. Then as I started to come out of my hazy half sleep, I realized I was seeing miner helmut lights flash on every floor. FDNY, 2 to 3 guys per floor, making sure no humans or pets remained in the tiny studio apartments above the store front. HFS...I don't think I got firefighters until that moment. Those mother####ers just go in and do their job. To hell with what might happen.

Much respect.

GB you guys for watching docs about it. I can't. I've tried.

 

[rockaction]

Imagine how hellish it was inside those buildings, when jumping from 100 floors up seems like a preferable option.

:(

 

[dickey moe]

Seems like some would just prefer that day to go away.

 

[Courtjester]

I am 44 and I can recall it like it happened yesterday and I live in Colorado. It really makes me sad to see how far apart we have grown apart as a people since then. I remember the days after that, driving around town and seeing people standing on corners and waiving flags. It just seemed that the American people came together for a change. Today, we just want to point fingers and blame the other side. I am sick of it. It just shouldn't be about what party you voted for or assigning blame. We are Americans and should never lose this fact.

Even today on CNN they had a story on the front page about Danny Lewin, who they labeled the first to die at 9-11. The comment section was just full of so much hatred it was sick.

I don't know, I guess the reason I posted this is tonight my daughter was given a homework assignment to write an essay about what she remembers from that day. Now, she is 14 and a Freshman in High School and granted this is an advanced class so a lot of the people are older than her, but she was like 2 that day. So it is really hard for her to come up with an idea for this essay.

 

[Raider Nation]

This is still mind-blowing. These cops and firemen KNEW they were climbing to their death. Enormous, gigantic balls. :(

The firefighters didn't know the towers were going to collapse.

They had a pretty good idea they weren't coming out alive. Every documentary you see, the fire chiefs back at the station said these guys pretty much knew they were walking towards sure doom. If you have a wife and kids at home, does the thought go through your head even for a second to run from this disaster and move to Australia in shame?

WTF...ummm, no

About six months after 9/11, one night I woke up slowly to the realization my exposed brick was glowing yellow. It finally dawned on me my bedroom was lit up fairly bright in orange-yellow. I hopped out of bed and turned around to see the row house 80 feet away - the distance of my back yard plus their's - was engulfed in flames. It was an antique store, and no doubt the back room on the parlor level was full of strippers and other flammable liquids. Obviously, this place was going to a total wreck, the flames were shooting out the windows. Then as I started to come out of my hazy half sleep, I realized I was seeing miner helmut lights flash on every floor. FDNY, 2 to 3 guys per floor, making sure no humans or pets remained in the tiny studio apartments above the store front. HFS...I don't think I got firefighters until that moment. Those mother####ers just go in and do their job. To hell with what might happen.

Much respect.

GB you guys for watching docs about it. I can't. I've tried.

I get it. It takes a special breed to be a firefighter. I could not do it. I have crazy respect for those who do. That said, if you have a family at home, and you are about to walk into near-certain death, how do you not at least pause for a moment to consider the sacrifice you're about to make? Some of them must have been hugely conflicted. Terribly saddening just thinking about it.

 

[BobbyLayne]

This is still mind-blowing. These cops and firemen KNEW they were climbing to their death. Enormous, gigantic balls. :(

The firefighters didn't know the towers were going to collapse.

They had a pretty good idea they weren't coming out alive. Every documentary you see, the fire chiefs back at the station said these guys pretty much knew they were walking towards sure doom. If you have a wife and kids at home, does the thought go through your head even for a second to run from this disaster and move to Australia in shame?

WTF...ummm, no

About six months after 9/11, one night I woke up slowly to the realization my exposed brick was glowing yellow. It finally dawned on me my bedroom was lit up fairly bright in orange-yellow. I hopped out of bed and turned around to see the row house 80 feet away - the distance of my back yard plus their's - was engulfed in flames. It was an antique store, and no doubt the back room on the parlor level was full of strippers and other flammable liquids. Obviously, this place was going to a total wreck, the flames were shooting out the windows. Then as I started to come out of my hazy half sleep, I realized I was seeing miner helmut lights flash on every floor. FDNY, 2 to 3 guys per floor, making sure no humans or pets remained in the tiny studio apartments above the store front. HFS...I don't think I got firefighters until that moment. Those mother####ers just go in and do their job. To hell with what might happen.

Much respect.

GB you guys for watching docs about it. I can't. I've tried.

I get it. It takes a special breed to be a firefighter. I could not do it. I have crazy respect for those who do. That said, if you have a family at home, and you are about to walk into near-certain death, how do you not at least pause for a moment to consider the sacrifice you're about to make? Some of them must have been hugely conflicted. Terribly saddening just thinking about it.

Honestly, you don't train for thousands of hours and live that life for years only to suffer from second thoughts and doubts at the moment of truth. Bullsheet, RN - you do exactly what the #### you prepared yourself for - you go in and do the job.

 

[Raider Nation]

Honestly, you don't train for thousands of hours and live that life for years only to suffer from second thoughts and doubts at the moment of truth. Bullsheet, RN - you do exactly what the #### you prepared yourself for - you go in and do the job.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Honestly, you don't train for thousands of hours and live that life for years only to suffer from second thoughts and doubts at the moment of truth. Bullsheet, RN - you do exactly what the #### you prepared yourself for - you go in and do the job.

Listen, I'm not saying they're god like or not human. But it's the truth - you train over and over again, it's instinct and muscle memory kicking in when the endorphins hit. I honestly believe none of those guys had/have second thoughts - you don't have time for it, and it would go against everything that prepared you for that moment.