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Did we stop remembering 9/11 in here? (1 Viewer)
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Ministry of Pain
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And the reason that is if you want to go further with this is primarily folks like GPJ, they wear on everyone after a while and chase them out. I have him set on ignore, I started this thread though and I figured he would have some dbag comment...drop the block, surprise surprise.Raider Nation said:Why does it bother you if someone curses?
The place needed a little livening up.
KCitons started a thread, guess he got tired of the crap/insults/bullying, and that's what it is RN.
It seems like the turds, even the ones you find humorous have taken over in here. It limits the desire to want to post in here. You may feel much differently, totally fine.
It's just a silly message board and again it's my fault for ever making it even the slightest bit more than that
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Penguin
Footballguy
On a day like 9/11 (yes, it's now the 12th) this should be even more apparent to you.It's just a silly message board and again it's my fault for ever making it even the slightest bit more than that
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
How soon did you know you were under "terrorist" attack and some plane didn't lose itself and just slam into the building?
Where were you exactly when the towers fell? Did you make it out of Manhattan before or were you scrambling to find your way inside a Subway shop until the streets of dust settled and you could actually see across the street?
Have you ever been more scared in your life?
OG_GF
Footballguy
I was living in Hoboken NJ at the time, which is right across the river. I had a view of the WTC from my bedroom window. When the second plane hit, I was at the PATH train station, which is a train that runs from Hoboken to downtown under the Hudson River.
I remember someone asked a cop what was going on, and there was so much chaos ... the cop said something like, "A plane hit the World Trade Center." and the view from Hoboken, one tower is in front of the other, and there was so much smoke, you really couldn't tell that both towers had been hit. I heard someone behind me say, "It was 2 planes. One and then another one a few minutes later." and I turned around and looked at this man who was holding his wife/girlfriend and she had this look of intense fear on her face, and I said, "Are you sure? 2 planes?" and he said, "I'm positive." and I said, "That's a terrorist attack." and I turned and ran towards the PATH station, knowing they would soon shut the trains down.
That's the point where I was most afraid. While I was on that train, under the river. I started second guessing my decision to get on it. Everyone on that train was totally silent, and I am not religious, but I closed my eyes and prayed. "God, please don't let there be a bomb on this train."
The train bypassed the usual WTC stops and the first stop was 14th street @ 6th avenue, and that's where I got off. It was surreal ... about 9:20 AM and the whole city had stopped. I still remember a guy standing there, outside a deli, wearing his white apron, looking at the WTC burning and people jumping. I mean ... nobody was in the store ordering a sandwich, right?
I was far enough away that I never had to run away from the dust cloud, and the doorman at the building where I worked was the person that informed me, each time, that a tower had fallen. I was stunned. Those buildings were so huge ... I guess we kinda thought they were indestructible.
OG_GF
Footballguy
Oh yeah, and I was one of the people that later took a ferry across the Hudson, back to New Jersey, and I was very happy at the time to get out of the city.
Someone mentioned Pearl Harbor. It was about 3 PM and as the ferry pulled away from the city, we could see the huge pillars of smoke and I said, "This has got to be worse than Pearl Harbor."
A woman on the ferry said, "How could anyone hate us this much? How could anyone be this different from us?" and I said, "Have you heard about these people in Afghanistan that don't let women read, or listen to music and are destroying ancient Buhdist temples because they think they are evil?" and someone interjected, "The Taliban." and I said, "Yeah, that's it ... The Taliban. You want to see how different people can be ... check them out."
Of course I had no idea at the time that they would later be blamed for it.
The worst part of it ... which nobody understands unless they were there, was the smell, which lasted about 2 months. To this day, if I walk by someone welding .... that smell of molten metal ... brings me right back.
Oh yeah, and I couldn't take that train anymore. Left New York altogether a few years later, but the last time I took that train, it really freaked me out. Al Quaeda had planned to set off a bomb on the PATH that morning, but apparently they called it off. Everybody on the car I was on, as I said, was silent, and it would have been very hard to say, light your shoe on fire, wearing a big backpack. All men too. There was not one woman in the car I was in. Buncha pissed off men, with some idea that they maybe could do something to help. Woulda been very hard to smuggle a bomb on that train, after the fact.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/08/decisive_action_by_path_employ.html
Someone mentioned Pearl Harbor. It was about 3 PM and as the ferry pulled away from the city, we could see the huge pillars of smoke and I said, "This has got to be worse than Pearl Harbor."
A woman on the ferry said, "How could anyone hate us this much? How could anyone be this different from us?" and I said, "Have you heard about these people in Afghanistan that don't let women read, or listen to music and are destroying ancient Buhdist temples because they think they are evil?" and someone interjected, "The Taliban." and I said, "Yeah, that's it ... The Taliban. You want to see how different people can be ... check them out."
Of course I had no idea at the time that they would later be blamed for it.
The worst part of it ... which nobody understands unless they were there, was the smell, which lasted about 2 months. To this day, if I walk by someone welding .... that smell of molten metal ... brings me right back.
Oh yeah, and I couldn't take that train anymore. Left New York altogether a few years later, but the last time I took that train, it really freaked me out. Al Quaeda had planned to set off a bomb on the PATH that morning, but apparently they called it off. Everybody on the car I was on, as I said, was silent, and it would have been very hard to say, light your shoe on fire, wearing a big backpack. All men too. There was not one woman in the car I was in. Buncha pissed off men, with some idea that they maybe could do something to help. Woulda been very hard to smuggle a bomb on that train, after the fact.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/08/decisive_action_by_path_employ.html
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OG_GF
Footballguy
Anticipating the, "Did you know anybody?" question.
Yes.
I worked with these guys:
http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/5306092/cahners-mourns-loss-two-employees
Yes.
I worked with these guys:
http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/5306092/cahners-mourns-loss-two-employees
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
We had Back to School night at my kid's preschool last night. Good times.And the reason that is if you want to go further with this is primarily folks like GPJ, they wear on everyone after a while and chase them out. I have him set on ignore, I started this thread though and I figured he would have some dbag comment...drop the block, surprise surprise.Raider Nation said:Why does it bother you if someone curses?
The place needed a little livening up.
KCitons started a thread, guess he got tired of the crap/insults/bullying, and that's what it is RN.
It seems like the turds, even the ones you find humorous have taken over in here. It limits the desire to want to post in here. You may feel much differently, totally fine.
It's just a silly message board and again it's my fault for ever making it even the slightest bit more than that
NCCommish
Footballguy
Although I am a big fan of GM and Tony I have to agree with Tim here. The reality is W could've motivated the American populace to do just about anything. Instead he told us to go shopping. Tim is hardly the first to comment on this and it's silly to dismiss it out of hand because it's pretty true.Wasn't trying to muck anything up. I was only making an observation which I've thought about for quite some time. I don't think it's especially controversial. Carry on.
Jules Winnfield
Footballguy
bagger
Footballguy
just so you know whenever i die i have instructed my living heirs to provide everyone in the ffa with complentary scones and coffee. except for jzilla who can have iced tea since he likes that so much.#itwaswater
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Sheriff66
Footballguy
Sheriff66
Footballguy
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Yep,
I went into the city that following Saturday. 1st thing i noticed when I came out of the tunnel.
That smell still brings me back when I pass my welders each day.
The weirdest thing i think was seeing people posing for pictures in front of collapsed buildings.
I get taking pictures, but just weird seeing people posing with their kids or alone...i don't know. Don't mean to judge people who do, but just very weird seeing it.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
comfortably numb
Footballguy
please stop circumventing the language filter and creating more work for me in here. TIA.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
I know a guy like this. Everything is a conspiracy. And his proof is always something like this:
"Don't you think it's odd that the same day the bombings at the Boston Marathon happened, the Dow dropped 50 points?"
As if two things happening on the same day make it true. I told him the Phillies lost on that day, too, but I'm pretty sure the two weren't connected.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
An old high school friend of mine worked in the WTC (Sandler O'Neill) and lived in Hoboken. He left for work late that morning due to a hangover. I don't think he ever even made it out of Jersey. It's a pretty crazy story.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I would argue that his pleas to go out and support America by shopping and living our lives normally was a large measure in preventing a market crash and lead to a 4th quarter rally that prevented an economic disaster. The day of 9/11, the Futures Market was in free fall. Markets closed for a week to regroup and when they opened, they were bright red with panic sellers outnumbering everybody. By the end of the year, the markets had stabilized.Although I am a big fan of GM and Tony I have to agree with Tim here. The reality is W could've motivated the American populace to do just about anything. Instead he told us to go shopping. Tim is hardly the first to comment on this and it's silly to dismiss it out of hand because it's pretty true.
We were absolutely terrified as a country after this. Most of us weren't alive in 1941 and can't fathom what it was like to be attacked by another country as we were at Pearl Harbor. But 9/11 was even scarier than that - this wasn't a country attacking us. It was rogue terrorists who took over commercial airlines with box cutters and used the planes as weapons to bring down the two biggest buildings in America. That could have been any of us on those planes or in those buildings. That's a hell of a thing to wrap your head around and I think Bush deserves credit for giving us reassurance that this wouldn't happen again (and knock on wood, it hasn't).
And again, what did you want Bush to do? End our dependence on oil? Not every barrel of oil comes from a terrorist. And let me ask you this - do you drive an electric car? Do you Tim? If you do, props to you, but I don't. How do you convince an entire country to give up their gas guzzling cars for more expensive electric cars? Especially when every person in your administration, political party and family are tied deeply into oil.
I just don't understand what you wanted Bush to do differently. This wasn't an attack by a country we could go after and I do think he f'd up big time by lying to get us into Iraq and have my reservations about our war in Afghanistan. But look....at the end of the day, Bin Laden is dead. Most of his higher ups are dead. Hussein is dead. We haven't had a domestic terrorist attack on our home turf since (though I suppose you can count the Boston Marathon bombings). We haven't had a commercial airline hijacked since 9/11. An electric car is easier to buy today than it was on 9/11, and cheaper too. Solar panels and wind farms aren't perfect, but I can opt into them if I want to spend more money on my electric bill (I don't and I have no objection to hydro power). We've green-lighted a nuclear plant for the first time since 3 Mile Island.
I'm not attacking Tim for his commentary, but I do think his timing is bad. I also think it's a bit misguided. And let the record show that I hate George Bush more than I hate any other past president. I hate him when he ran the Rangers. I was very vocal in my hatred for him. But give the guy a break here. He made us feel better, safer and more patriotic in the aftermath and we needed that. He was a good leader during this crisis. Criticizing him for not ending dependence on foreign oil is just.....dumb. IMO.
cstu
Footballguy
I'd be much more concerned about a country of 100 million that thought it was strong enough to attack us on our own land. Right after 9/11 we knew there were psychos willing to blow stuff up but they were few in number.
For me the potential of foreign soldiers invading the U.S. is much scarier than a building possibly being blown up again.
tommyboy
Footballguy
technological advances alone will relegate the middle east to the dustbin of history, the rest of the modern, civilized world can go on with inventing stuff and living a better life. Hopefully this will happen in my lifetime.
One of the sadder parts of this entire story is the islamic radicals that carried out these attacks, and continue to carry out attacks worldwide in some form or another, aren't helping their religion or their people. none of the areas that al qaeda has infiltrated is better off today than it was 12 years ago, they are all worse off. The end result of islamic terrorism, for islamic people, is destruction and mayhem, a lower quality of life and a tarnished religion in the eyes of the rest of the world.
One of the sadder parts of this entire story is the islamic radicals that carried out these attacks, and continue to carry out attacks worldwide in some form or another, aren't helping their religion or their people. none of the areas that al qaeda has infiltrated is better off today than it was 12 years ago, they are all worse off. The end result of islamic terrorism, for islamic people, is destruction and mayhem, a lower quality of life and a tarnished religion in the eyes of the rest of the world.
timschochet
Footballguy
GM, thanks for offering a reasonable response to my point. I still don't know why the timing of my comments were off- it's been 12 years since 9/11, and I don't think it should offend anyone to analyze our reactions at this point.
Now, you may be correct that it was a good thing, in the first few days after 9/11, for Bush to tell everyone to keep spending. I have no idea, but my critique was not a short term one. Over the months that followed 9/11, Bush had the opportunity, IMO, to change the nature of our debate and to make alternative energy more of a national priority. But he did not. Instead, he pushed for an invasion of Iraq. Iraq was invaded nearly 18 months after 9/11, but Bush still had most of the nation with him when he made this grave error in judgment. I am not critical of what Bush did in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, but I AM critical of what Bush did in the months following 9/11. That was when he had the opportunity to move this country in a different direction.
No, I don't own an electric car. I don't think that's relevant. I want a society in which electric cars (or some other form of non-petroleum vehicle) are made available to me as my primary mode of transportation.
Now, you may be correct that it was a good thing, in the first few days after 9/11, for Bush to tell everyone to keep spending. I have no idea, but my critique was not a short term one. Over the months that followed 9/11, Bush had the opportunity, IMO, to change the nature of our debate and to make alternative energy more of a national priority. But he did not. Instead, he pushed for an invasion of Iraq. Iraq was invaded nearly 18 months after 9/11, but Bush still had most of the nation with him when he made this grave error in judgment. I am not critical of what Bush did in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, but I AM critical of what Bush did in the months following 9/11. That was when he had the opportunity to move this country in a different direction.
No, I don't own an electric car. I don't think that's relevant. I want a society in which electric cars (or some other form of non-petroleum vehicle) are made available to me as my primary mode of transportation.
timschochet
Footballguy
We have to make this happen (meaning large government investment and participation). We cannot rely on it to happen on its own.
St. Louis Bob
Footballguy
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
You could choose to own a non-petroleum vehicle as your primary mode of transportation right now. That you choose to not do so isn't particularly societal.
timschochet
Footballguy
I could, but it's not convenient.
I'm really not a big believer in trying to change the world by myself. It's kind of narcissistic IMO. Like, "LOOK AT ME! I'M DRIVING A HYBRID!! MY ENVIRONMENTAL FOOTPRINT IS SMALLER THAN YOURS!"
Yeah #### that. I can't change things by myself, and it's dumb to try. If we want to get away from petroleum, the government's gonna have to lead the way. Huge monetary investment- billions, probably trillions of dollars. Only way it's going to happen, IMO.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Except none of that is remotely what you said. Even you don't understand the bull#### you post.
glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
Add to all that that we had a TREMENDOUS amount of equity in the way of world support, and instead went off and Shock & Awed everyone...
timschochet
Footballguy
It's exactly what I said. I wanted Bush to announce an Apollo like program. That's been my point all along.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
rockaction
Footballguy
No, your point was to worm in here, insinuate yourself surreptitiously, claim you were just making an innocent comment about something, and then go on to launch the Apollo program?
You're a ####### #####, assbag.
eta* Now I know this is troll ####. How the mods let you get away with this, I don't know.
eat2* We have to ignore this assbag?
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timschochet
Footballguy
Where is this coming from?
rockaction
Footballguy
Years of reading your high-handed troll spew.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
I don't think you're sophisticated enough to understand timmay's perspectives. Back to FFToday with you.
timschochet
Footballguy
You have other choices. Skip over me. Or put me on ignore. Or if you disagree with something I wrote, take issue with it.
rockaction
Footballguy
It's David Brooks mixed with Rachel Maddow, add in a dash of Scarborough country, and filter with Rudy. Let sit. Marinate. What's not to understand about a hand-wringing Republican who advocates every traditional leftist position you could want, and then couples that with the idea of national greatness programs?
Well, back to FFToday with me.
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timschochet
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
rockaction
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timschochet
Footballguy
Oh THAT Rudy. I was thinking for some reason that you were comparing me to that Samwise Gamgee dude who played a minute of football for the Irish.
Guiiani? No thanks.
Guiiani? No thanks.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Still can't believe I defended GW Bush today. I need a shower, a roofie and a good kick to the face.
General Malaise
Footballguy
No kidding. Guilliani had a window to change NYC forever by cutting it's dependence on skyscrapers forever and he blew it.
