Dion Lewis (2 Viewers)

[Ministry of Pain]

MoP showing up to pee in everyone's cheerios.

Should I have just grabbed a bowl and spoon?

 

[Run It Up]

Edelman in his post game called Lewis 'Lil Dirty'

So there you have it, Lil Dirty Dion.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

MoP showing up to pee in everyone's cheerios.

Should I have just grabbed a bowl and spoon?

I just think we're scoring on different criteria. You don't value his receiving ability as highly or find it as impressive as everyone else. Maybe the fact that you don't get as many points for it in your league skews your perception, idk (you said you don't get PPR for RB's). Even if you consider yourself an NFL fan first, fantasy player second, that's still going to skew your perception.

You keep taking about his numbers and his TD play. No one else is talking about those things. Watch him play. He's making guys miss tackles at a higher rate than anyone in the NFL, and it isn't close. He's untouchable, looks like the shiftiest guy in the league, and does something athletically impressive on almost every touch. He's amazing after the catch.

You don't value those things as much as you value the prototypical bellcow RB skill-set, and there's nothing wrong with that. Just so long as you're aware that we're basically having different conversations.

 

[Road Warriors]

He's ludicrously skilled.

Lewis is the real deal. He's a star. Elusive, but still runs with power. Fluid, runs great routes, and is strong in pass protection, too. Easily the best RB to play in the New England "system" in a decade.

I'm sorry Adam but that's a statement I have no reply for. It would insinuate that he is the best RB in the NFL or at least top5...you used the word ludicrous btw. It is at least in part the system. The OC went on to be a HC and then came back and inserted his offense all over again and part of it is this "role" that they were trying to fill with Shane Vereen. Go back and read some of those threads if you like.

The NE offense supports a WR1 like Edelman, Gronk and then another key receiver whether it is/was a TE2 like AH, then it was Vereen, now its Lewis. he is making plays but go watch that TD play he had tonight, nobody touched him, the entire middle of th efield was wide open, the area was cleared and he ran almost untouched to the goal line.

Real Deal to me are guys like ADP, Lynch, Bell, those guys are real RBs.

I think some of you are way too defensive. I never said the guy was garbage, even identify as an owner, filled out many DK and FD with him in there but to say he is special seems like a stretch to me right now. I wouldn't be jumping up and down if he landed on the Miami Dolphins next week.

I get what you're saying here, but I feel like you're limiting yourself to a predefined role of what a "real deal" RB is. In the case of the Patriots, they do the best job in the league of identifying a player's strengths, and developing their gameplans to maximize those. The guys you mention will fit perfectly into virtually every team's system. The beauty of the Belichick led Patriots is they don't need the "star" player ( and associated salary hit ) to be as productive as the conventional star player.

 

[VaTerp]

So folks feel Lewis could be doing all this on any team in the NFL? I'm not suggesting NE has anyone else on the roster close to Lewis and his skill set but I'm not sure Lewis is a bell cow kind of RB for a lot of teams around the league.

I own Lewis in multiple leagues, happy to cash in but I don't feel like Lewis is the "real deal" in the way I felt ADP was the real deal when he came out of college or the way Todd Gurley looks like the real deal. Lewis is a guy with a lot of talent around him and is acting like a pro, taking care of his business and making plays when his number has been called. I just don't think he is special or any more special than when Shane Vereen was being thrust into this role.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

It should apparently last 2-3 more years.

Of course he would not be doing anywhere remotely close to scoring as many FANTASY points in any other offense,, and in most offenses probably wouldnt be fantasy relevant, but so what??

But if you dont think he is better in every way than Vereen, then you need to get your eyes checked.

I could have scored on the TD play he made. There wasn't a Phin that even tracked him till he was almost in the end zone. You have to take each play individually. Lewis is making more plays than Vereen did, awesome but the system is designed for these things to happen.

I don't even understand why folks feel the need to prop up Lewis. If you own him in FF then great enjoy the ride. But from an NFL starting RB conversation with no FF implications, this guy is not a major RB threat in the NFL, he just isn't.

Posters posted real deal and I guess we are just saying in terms of cashing in FF points in our dungeons and dragons online games? I don't see Lewis as a game changing RB in the NFL, and that would be "real deal" to me. I'm allowed to have my opinion and I have explained how and why I feel that way, you're welcome to a differing view no need to weaken your position with put downs, thanks.

This is one of the biggest strawman arguments I've seen. You are interpreting things that people arent saying to have Lewis not live up to some set of standards that apparently are understandable for "folks (to) feel the need to prop up" a player in that player's thread. Wierd.

Its a FF thread on a guy most people got with very little investment, paying good dividends, and is in an offense that perfectly utiizes his skill set when he's on the field. I don't understand your need to diminish what he's doing to just the system while basically talking about one play.

And in terms of real football, know the guy is not a generational talent/specimen like ADP and Gurley or whatever other consensus #1 stud you want to highlight Lewis not living up to.

But if you can't appreciate what he brings to the table as a football fan, and he doesn't pass your eye test substanitally more than someone like Vereen..... then its clear we are just different types of fans of this game.

 

[Faust]

Powered by Dion 'Little Dirty' Lewis, Patriots roll over Dolphins

 

[BassNBrew]

MOP - You realize that if he was playing a real team tonight he would have posted 40 fantasy points?

 

[SameSongNDance]

MOP - You realize that if he was playing a real team tonight he would have posted 40 fantasy points?

I feel like we're still waiting for someone to give NE a real challenge to see Lewis's ceiling. The game vs. NYJ might have been their only real test this year (excluding week 1 vs. PIT where BB himself admits no one knows what's going to happen). BUF, JAC, DAL, IND and MIA really never put up much of a fight.. to the point where starters were rested before the games had ended multiple times.

 

[mnmplayer]

MOP. Watch the 2009 Pitt game where he had 46 carries. Listen to c0enyators compare him to Barry. If given the opportunity he could take 20 plus carries a game. He looks every bit as elusive as the most elite rbs of all time. He can obviously drop a 100 yard received game as well. Ap can't dream about doing some of the things Dion cab do. He is in a class to himself in balance and elusiveness. Sorry but it sounds outlandish but it's just true..... Plz excuse phone typos.

 

[Adam Harstad]

He's ludicrously skilled.

Lewis is the real deal. He's a star. Elusive, but still runs with power. Fluid, runs great routes, and is strong in pass protection, too. Easily the best RB to play in the New England "system" in a decade.

I'm sorry Adam but that's a statement I have no reply for. It would insinuate that he is the best RB in the NFL or at least top5...you used the word ludicrous btw. It is at least in part the system. The OC went on to be a HC and then came back and inserted his offense all over again and part of it is this "role" that they were trying to fill with Shane Vereen. Go back and read some of those threads if you like.

The NE offense supports a WR1 like Edelman, Gronk and then another key receiver whether it is/was a TE2 like AH, then it was Vereen, now its Lewis. he is making plays but go watch that TD play he had tonight, nobody touched him, the entire middle of th efield was wide open, the area was cleared and he ran almost untouched to the goal line.

Real Deal to me are guys like ADP, Lynch, Bell, those guys are real RBs.

I think some of you are way too defensive. I never said the guy was garbage, even identify as an owner, filled out many DK and FD with him in there but to say he is special seems like a stretch to me right now. I wouldn't be jumping up and down if he landed on the Miami Dolphins next week.

I said at one point early in 2010 that if aliens showed up on earth and decided to learn what this "football" thing was, they'd think Arian Foster and Darren McFadden were two of the top five running backs in the NFL. Free of the burden of preconceived notions, evaluating them strictly on the merits of their play, they were easily in that upper tier.

If aliens showed up on earth this August and decided to learn what this "football" thing was, they would think Dion Lewis was one of the top five running backs in the NFL. (Along with Bell, Gurley, Freeman, and Ivory, I would say.) No preconceived notions about the "New England system", or knowledge that Lewis was out of football recently, or any idea about anyone's pedigree... just evaluating the quality of their play and the impact on their team.

Does this seem like lofty praise? Good. It's intended as lofty praise. Dion Lewis has looked phenomenal. I've referred back to Foster's 2010 season several times so far this year, because that's the last time I remember a back that far off the radar in June coming in and playing this out of his mind in September and October.

Reasonable people are welcome to disagree. But I just want to be super-clear that when I say that Dion Lewis looks like a star, I don't mean it in any sense that dilutes the meaning of the word "star". I mean he looks like one of the few truly elite, game-changing running backs in the NFL today.

Yes, Dion Lewis was essentially untouched on his touchdown tonight. So was Rob Gronkowski, but you won't see me calling Rob Gronkowski a product of the system. Why? Because there are a lot of *OTHER* plays where Gronkowski is not virtually untouched, and he makes something happen merely by imposing his will on the defense.

Dion Lewis is capable of imposing his will on the defense. Look at him breaking ankles on that short little out route at around 4:47 in the 1st quarter. Gets the ball with a defender right on top of him, performs the quickest and minutest of fakes of the inside spin, instead spins outside, leaves the defender grasping air and searching for his cleats, and races for 18 or 19 yards.

Look at him on his 11-yard run early in the 3rd quarter. Immediately runs into junk, performs three quick full-speed cuts to weave through traffic for a first down. Look at him leave his feet to one-hand a badly thrown pass against Dallas only to juke out five defenders without the assistance of any blockers for a touchdown.

It's not the easy plays like the untouched touchdown that make me high on Dion Lewis. It's these spectacular plays where there's absolutely nothing there and Lewis is still getting 10+ yards and making multiple defenders miss on every touch. And it's the times New England splits him out wide and has him run legit WR routes, (as opposed to the "RB spit out wide to WR routes" that, say, Denver assigns to Hillman and Anderson.) And it's the image I linked to earlier in the thread of Dion Lewis positively stonewalling a pass-rusher 1.5 times his size coming in with a full head of steam.

Dion Lewis is everything Lamar Miller's supporters have forlornly been trying to make Lamar Miller into for the last year and a half. I know that his past history counts for something, and New England's past history counts for something, and Adrian Peterson's past history counts for something, and Marshawn Lynch's past history counts for something. I'm not saying that I think Dion Lewis is one of the top 5 RBs in the entire NFL right now.

I'm saying Dion Lewis is playing like one of the top 5 RBs in the entire NFL right now. I'm saying it because I believe it.

 

[[icon]]

So folks feel Lewis could be doing all this on any team in the NFL? I'm not suggesting NE has anyone else on the roster close to Lewis and his skill set but I'm not sure Lewis is a bell cow kind of RB for a lot of teams around the league.

I own Lewis in multiple leagues, happy to cash in but I don't feel like Lewis is the "real deal" in the way I felt ADP was the real deal when he came out of college or the way Todd Gurley looks like the real deal. Lewis is a guy with a lot of talent around him and is acting like a pro, taking care of his business and making plays when his number has been called. I just don't think he is special or any more special than when Shane Vereen was being thrust into this role.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

If you're comparing ADP to Lewis then it's pretty obvious why this place never hired you despite your shameless pandering for 2-3 years, begging for a staff role.

 

[Chaka]

Hey Mop fyi all NFL systems are designed to put players in position to excel but for a multitude of reasons it either does or doesn't happen. Vereen wasn't able to do what Lewis is doing with virtually the same surrounding talent, not even close actually.

Or look at another way, how about a guy like Vernon Davis. Is he ridiculously talented or ridiculously mediocre? Do you blame the scheme or was it the scheme that allowed him to excel and the surrounding talent changed?

Bottom line is it doesn't matter in the NFL or in magic football, when the stars align players take advantage, ther level of ability generally dictates how much they maximize their opportunity.

 

[Chaka]

And no MoP, you could not have scored a TD on that play.

 

[[icon]]

Thank God nobody here was dumb enough to offer MOP a paycheck.

Adam, your more tempered and educated/accurate posts were ones I sought out long before you changed your name and went staff. It's nice to see you still active in the trenches and dishing good info.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Adam, your more tempered and educated/accurate posts were ones I sought out long before you changed your name and went staff. It's nice to see you still active in the trenches and dishing good info.

I appreciate the dap, but not so much the attacks on an old friend. I get that people are going to disagree, but can we limit our criticisms to the substance of the other guy's arguments, please? I've never read a single thread where personal attacks improved the quality of information available or otherwise made the thread more readable.

(Spoken as someone who has made more than my fair share of personal attacks in my day.)

 

[[icon]]

Edited my prior post to reflect my thoughts. I don't mean it as an attack, I just am sincerely happy that FBG has done a good job of selecting talent to hire.

 

[[icon]]

He's ludicrously skilled.

Lewis is the real deal. He's a star. Elusive, but still runs with power. Fluid, runs great routes, and is strong in pass protection, too. Easily the best RB to play in the New England "system" in a decade.

I'm sorry Adam but that's a statement I have no reply for. It would insinuate that he is the best RB in the NFL or at least top5...you used the word ludicrous btw. It is at least in part the system. The OC went on to be a HC and then came back and inserted his offense all over again and part of it is this "role" that they were trying to fill with Shane Vereen. Go back and read some of those threads if you like. The NE offense supports a WR1 like Edelman, Gronk and then another key receiver whether it is/was a TE2 like AH, then it was Vereen, now its Lewis. he is making plays but go watch that TD play he had tonight, nobody touched him, the entire middle of th efield was wide open, the area was cleared and he ran almost untouched to the goal line.

Real Deal to me are guys like ADP, Lynch, Bell, those guys are real RBs.

I think some of you are way too defensive. I never said the guy was garbage, even identify as an owner, filled out many DK and FD with him in there but to say he is special seems like a stretch to me right now. I wouldn't be jumping up and down if he landed on the Miami Dolphins next week.

I said at one point early in 2010 that if aliens showed up on earth and decided to learn what this "football" thing was, they'd think Arian Foster and Darren McFadden were two of the top five running backs in the NFL. Free of the burden of preconceived notions, evaluating them strictly on the merits of their play, they were easily in that upper tier.

If aliens showed up on earth this August and decided to learn what this "football" thing was, they would think Dion Lewis was one of the top five running backs in the NFL. (Along with Bell, Gurley, Freeman, and Ivory, I would say.) No preconceived notions about the "New England system", or knowledge that Lewis was out of football recently, or any idea about anyone's pedigree... just evaluating the quality of their play and the impact on their team.

Does this seem like lofty praise? Good. It's intended as lofty praise. Dion Lewis has looked phenomenal. I've referred back to Foster's 2010 season several times so far this year, because that's the last time I remember a back that far off the radar in June coming in and playing this out of his mind in September and October.

Reasonable people are welcome to disagree. But I just want to be super-clear that when I say that Dion Lewis looks like a star, I don't mean it in any sense that dilutes the meaning of the word "star". I mean he looks like one of the few truly elite, game-changing running backs in the NFL today.

Yes, Dion Lewis was essentially untouched on his touchdown tonight. So was Rob Gronkowski, but you won't see me calling Rob Gronkowski a product of the system. Why? Because there are a lot of *OTHER* plays where Gronkowski is not virtually untouched, and he makes something happen merely by imposing his will on the defense.

Dion Lewis is capable of imposing his will on the defense. Look at him breaking ankles on that short little out route at around 4:47 in the 1st quarter. Gets the ball with a defender right on top of him, performs the quickest and minutest of fakes of the inside spin, instead spins outside, leaves the defender grasping air and searching for his cleats, and races for 18 or 19 yards.

Look at him on his 11-yard run early in the 3rd quarter. Immediately runs into junk, performs three quick full-speed cuts to weave through traffic for a first down. Look at him leave his feet to one-hand a badly thrown pass against Dallas only to juke out five defenders without the assistance of any blockers for a touchdown.

It's not the easy plays like the untouched touchdown that make me high on Dion Lewis. It's these spectacular plays where there's absolutely nothing there and Lewis is still getting 10+ yards and making multiple defenders miss on every touch. And it's the times New England splits him out wide and has him run legit WR routes, (as opposed to the "RB spit out wide to WR routes" that, say, Denver assigns to Hillman and Anderson.) And it's the image I linked to earlier in the thread of Dion Lewis positively stonewalling a pass-rusher 1.5 times his size coming in with a full head of steam.

Dion Lewis is everything Lamar Miller's supporters have forlornly been trying to make Lamar Miller into for the last year and a half. I know that his past history counts for something, and New England's past history counts for something, and Adrian Peterson's past history counts for something, and Marshawn Lynch's past history counts for something. I'm not saying that I think Dion Lewis is one of the top 5 RBs in the entire NFL right now.

I'm saying Dion Lewis is playing like one of the top 5 RBs in the entire NFL right now. I'm saying it because I believe it.

POTY Candidate

 

[Adam Harstad]

Edited my prior post to reflect my thoughts. I don't mean it as an attack, I just am sincerely happy that FBG has done a good job of selecting talent to hire.

A good thought, but it still reads pretty attack-y to me.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Quoting two other posts from earlier this thread to underscore why I don't feel it's out of line to suggest that Dion Lewis has been genuinely special this season:

My own thoughts on a single play specifically against the Bills, (plus a couple of other plays more generally from the first three weeks).

A fantastic beat-by-beat breakdown of Lewis' ludicrous 5-on-1 touchdown against the Cowboys by mnmplayer.

He's been doing this all season long. I get the skepticism after two or three games, but we've now got six games, five of which have been jump-off-the-screen special. You can wait until he keeps proving it a few more times, but the longer you wait, the later it is.

 

[cubbie5150]

His nickname is "Lil' Dirty"???? ####ING AWESOME!!!

 

[Run It Up]

His nickname is "Lil' Dirty"???? ####ING AWESOME!!!

Edelman when asked two weeks ago if he had a nickname called him jitterbug.

I think calling him Lil' Dirty this week was a point of emphasis for his post game lol, jitterbug was terrible.

It also, like all great nicknames has layers.

 

[Anarchy99]

Pat's rolled with six OLmen against the Jets also. Mike Wlliams is listed as. TE, so he really is their 7th guy.

I don't see Lewis getting more than 5-6 carries and 5-6 catches. Maybe he is healthier than I give credit for, but he hasn't done a full pads practice in a while.

Ended up with 5 carries and 6 receptions. I think NE is limiting his touches and at some point will give him a heavier workload, most likely when they need to in a closer game.

 

[Gandalf]

He's ludicrously skilled.

Lewis is the real deal. He's a star. Elusive, but still runs with power. Fluid, runs great routes, and is strong in pass protection, too. Easily the best RB to play in the New England "system" in a decade.

I'm sorry Adam but that's a statement I have no reply for. It would insinuate that he is the best RB in the NFL or at least top5...you used the word ludicrous btw. It is at least in part the system. The OC went on to be a HC and then came back and inserted his offense all over again and part of it is this "role" that they were trying to fill with Shane Vereen. Go back and read some of those threads if you like. The NE offense supports a WR1 like Edelman, Gronk and then another key receiver whether it is/was a TE2 like AH, then it was Vereen, now its Lewis. he is making plays but go watch that TD play he had tonight, nobody touched him, the entire middle of th efield was wide open, the area was cleared and he ran almost untouched to the goal line.

Real Deal to me are guys like ADP, Lynch, Bell, those guys are real RBs.

I think some of you are way too defensive. I never said the guy was garbage, even identify as an owner, filled out many DK and FD with him in there but to say he is special seems like a stretch to me right now. I wouldn't be jumping up and down if he landed on the Miami Dolphins next week.

I said at one point early in 2010 that if aliens showed up on earth and decided to learn what this "football" thing was, they'd think Arian Foster and Darren McFadden were two of the top five running backs in the NFL. Free of the burden of preconceived notions, evaluating them strictly on the merits of their play, they were easily in that upper tier.

If aliens showed up on earth this August and decided to learn what this "football" thing was, they would think Dion Lewis was one of the top five running backs in the NFL. (Along with Bell, Gurley, Freeman, and Ivory, I would say.) No preconceived notions about the "New England system", or knowledge that Lewis was out of football recently, or any idea about anyone's pedigree... just evaluating the quality of their play and the impact on their team.

Does this seem like lofty praise? Good. It's intended as lofty praise. Dion Lewis has looked phenomenal. I've referred back to Foster's 2010 season several times so far this year, because that's the last time I remember a back that far off the radar in June coming in and playing this out of his mind in September and October.

Reasonable people are welcome to disagree. But I just want to be super-clear that when I say that Dion Lewis looks like a star, I don't mean it in any sense that dilutes the meaning of the word "star". I mean he looks like one of the few truly elite, game-changing running backs in the NFL today.

Yes, Dion Lewis was essentially untouched on his touchdown tonight. So was Rob Gronkowski, but you won't see me calling Rob Gronkowski a product of the system. Why? Because there are a lot of *OTHER* plays where Gronkowski is not virtually untouched, and he makes something happen merely by imposing his will on the defense.

Dion Lewis is capable of imposing his will on the defense. Look at him breaking ankles on that short little out route at around 4:47 in the 1st quarter. Gets the ball with a defender right on top of him, performs the quickest and minutest of fakes of the inside spin, instead spins outside, leaves the defender grasping air and searching for his cleats, and races for 18 or 19 yards.

Look at him on his 11-yard run early in the 3rd quarter. Immediately runs into junk, performs three quick full-speed cuts to weave through traffic for a first down. Look at him leave his feet to one-hand a badly thrown pass against Dallas only to juke out five defenders without the assistance of any blockers for a touchdown.

It's not the easy plays like the untouched touchdown that make me high on Dion Lewis. It's these spectacular plays where there's absolutely nothing there and Lewis is still getting 10+ yards and making multiple defenders miss on every touch. And it's the times New England splits him out wide and has him run legit WR routes, (as opposed to the "RB spit out wide to WR routes" that, say, Denver assigns to Hillman and Anderson.) And it's the image I linked to earlier in the thread of Dion Lewis positively stonewalling a pass-rusher 1.5 times his size coming in with a full head of steam.

Dion Lewis is everything Lamar Miller's supporters have forlornly been trying to make Lamar Miller into for the last year and a half. I know that his past history counts for something, and New England's past history counts for something, and Adrian Peterson's past history counts for something, and Marshawn Lynch's past history counts for something. I'm not saying that I think Dion Lewis is one of the top 5 RBs in the entire NFL right now.

I'm saying Dion Lewis is playing like one of the top 5 RBs in the entire NFL right now. I'm saying it because I believe it.

I have seen enough. I believe it too. Crazy how good he is. BB even gave him a post game compliment!

 

[Sabertooth]

So folks feel Lewis could be doing all this on any team in the NFL? I'm not suggesting NE has anyone else on the roster close to Lewis and his skill set but I'm not sure Lewis is a bell cow kind of RB for a lot of teams around the league.

I own Lewis in multiple leagues, happy to cash in but I don't feel like Lewis is the "real deal" in the way I felt ADP was the real deal when he came out of college or the way Todd Gurley looks like the real deal. Lewis is a guy with a lot of talent around him and is acting like a pro, taking care of his business and making plays when his number has been called. I just don't think he is special or any more special than when Shane Vereen was being thrust into this role.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

my question to you is "who gives a ####?" He's producing at a top rb1 clip. He's there until he's 28. Why do I care what he would do on a different team?

 

[Sabertooth]

Not wishing injury obviously, but if Blount were to go down, I could see Dion being the top scoring back in the NFL.

 

[Gandalf]

MoP showing up to pee in everyone's cheerios.

Should I have just grabbed a bowl and spoon?

No but we find your lack of faith disturbing...

 

[parasaurolophus]

So folks feel Lewis could be doing all this on any team in the NFL? I'm not suggesting NE has anyone else on the roster close to Lewis and his skill set but I'm not sure Lewis is a bell cow kind of RB for a lot of teams around the league.

I own Lewis in multiple leagues, happy to cash in but I don't feel like Lewis is the "real deal" in the way I felt ADP was the real deal when he came out of college or the way Todd Gurley looks like the real deal. Lewis is a guy with a lot of talent around him and is acting like a pro, taking care of his business and making plays when his number has been called. I just don't think he is special or any more special than when Shane Vereen was being thrust into this role.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

my question to you is "who gives a ####?" He's producing at a top rb1 clip. He's there until he's 28. Why do I care what he would do on a different team?

a different team might actually give him more touches. just sayin...

 

[Sabertooth]

Touché.

 

[Anarchy99]

Not wishing injury obviously, but if Blount were to go down, I could see Dion being the top scoring back in the NFL.

Not sure I would agree with this. Lewis might get a few more carries, but Bolden would likely take on the Blount role. Or the Pats might just toss the rock 50 times a game.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

NE always seems to have a triangle passing offense with three key receivers, Lewis is one of the three with Gronk and Edelman. Gold.

 

[rickyg]

Want a stupid waste of time back and forth argument about an obviously very talented player. MOP is comparing a 5' 8" scat back to guys like AP and Lynch. Ridiculous.

These days the NFL is very different. Players of all sizes can excel if they have talent. If you deny that Lewis is a special player, you simply aren't watching him play. It's not even an argument. It's so silly to try and argue that. Ridiculous.

The guy is absolutely electric with the ball in his hands. He has crazy ankle breaking quick twitch moves. He makes defenders miss possibly more than any other back in the NFL. Plus he can run inside and get tough yards. He turns nothing into something almost every time he touches the ball.

It looks to me as if you're arguing just to pass the time BC you're bored and these other guys are just taking the bait.

My advice: just sit back and enjoy watching Lewis tear up the league this year. The only thing that will hold him back from doing that is his usage and possible injury.

I would love to see what he can do with 20-25 touches a game. 15 rush attempts and 10 targets in the passing game. Dude would be a monster.

 

[Gandalf]

Want a stupid waste of time back and forth argument about an obviously very talented player. MOP is comparing a 5' 8" scat back to guys like AP and Lynch. Ridiculous.

These days the NFL is very different. Players of all sizes can excel if they have talent. If you deny that Lewis is a special player, you simply aren't watching him play. It's not even an argument. It's so silly to try and argue that. Ridiculous.

The guy is absolutely electric with the ball in his hands. He has crazy ankle breaking quick twitch moves. He makes defenders miss possibly more than any other back in the NFL. Plus he can run inside and get tough yards. He turns nothing into something almost every time he touches the ball.

It looks to me as if you're arguing just to pass the time BC you're bored and these other guys are just taking the bait.

My advice: just sit back and enjoy watching Lewis tear up the league this year. The only thing that will hold him back from doing that is his usage and possible injury.

I would love to see what he can do with 20-25 touches a game. 15 rush attempts and 10 targets in the passing game. Dude would be a monster.

What's crazy to me is that he must have shown these types of electric moves in Cleveland. How come they didn't use him like this or try and resign him? Maybe they were spooked by the injury?

 

[packersfan]

I don't care if people don't believe in him or think he's somehow going to be marginalized. I know what's going on and I'm enjoying the hell out of this.

 

[bill bates hits hard]

I don't understand why people are pessimistic on the Lewis. Look at yesterday blount came out as the clear New England running back in the first few series but it didn't matter. Years past it did matter one or the other.

Why is that? Because Brady has complete trust in Lewis. When lewis is healthy and out there he's a complete check down underneath. The difference is when Brady checks down to him lewis picks up big chunks at a time. I don't know why people fret about game script. Game script does not matter for lewis. If he's healthy he's going to produce. This game was his floor. It was more of a blount game by design and lewis still took over. If anyone happens to put up a fight against New England, Louis' ceiling should be immense.

Another thing is Danny Amendola is pretty much Louis's handcuff as far as receptions in the pecking order. When lewis is out D.A. will get volume otherwise everything is lewis.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

I don't care if people don't believe in him or think he's somehow going to be marginalized. I know what's going on and I'm enjoying the hell out of this.

 

[matuski]

Want a stupid waste of time back and forth argument about an obviously very talented player. MOP is comparing a 5' 8" scat back to guys like AP and Lynch. Ridiculous.

These days the NFL is very different. Players of all sizes can excel if they have talent. If you deny that Lewis is a special player, you simply aren't watching him play. It's not even an argument. It's so silly to try and argue that. Ridiculous.

The guy is absolutely electric with the ball in his hands. He has crazy ankle breaking quick twitch moves. He makes defenders miss possibly more than any other back in the NFL. Plus he can run inside and get tough yards. He turns nothing into something almost every time he touches the ball.

It looks to me as if you're arguing just to pass the time BC you're bored and these other guys are just taking the bait.

My advice: just sit back and enjoy watching Lewis tear up the league this year. The only thing that will hold him back from doing that is his usage and possible injury.

I would love to see what he can do with 20-25 touches a game. 15 rush attempts and 10 targets in the passing game. Dude would be a monster.

What's crazy to me is that he must have shown these types of electric moves in Cleveland. How come they didn't use him like this or try and resign him? Maybe they were spooked by the injury?

Or because they are Cleveland?

 

[Thunderlips]

Want a stupid waste of time back and forth argument about an obviously very talented player. MOP is comparing a 5' 8" scat back to guys like AP and Lynch. Ridiculous.

These days the NFL is very different. Players of all sizes can excel if they have talent. If you deny that Lewis is a special player, you simply aren't watching him play. It's not even an argument. It's so silly to try and argue that. Ridiculous.

The guy is absolutely electric with the ball in his hands. He has crazy ankle breaking quick twitch moves. He makes defenders miss possibly more than any other back in the NFL. Plus he can run inside and get tough yards. He turns nothing into something almost every time he touches the ball.

It looks to me as if you're arguing just to pass the time BC you're bored and these other guys are just taking the bait.

My advice: just sit back and enjoy watching Lewis tear up the league this year. The only thing that will hold him back from doing that is his usage and possible injury.

I would love to see what he can do with 20-25 touches a game. 15 rush attempts and 10 targets in the passing game. Dude would be a monster.

What's crazy to me is that he must have shown these types of electric moves in Cleveland. How come they didn't use him like this or try and resign him? Maybe they were spooked by the injury?

I know if you go far enough back in the Eagles thread, there's some guys in there who were A) hyping him very much and B) lamenting that the Eagles let him go.

That being said, I don't Lewis is the same player on most other teams. He has legit talent....but he's in a perfect storm of complimentary personnel, a HOF Qb and a HOF coach.

 

[rugcleaner]

I don't understand why people are pessimistic on the Lewis. Look at yesterday blount came out as the clear New England running back in the first few series but it didn't matter. Years past it did matter one or the other.

Why is that? Because Brady has complete trust in Lewis. When lewis is healthy and out there he's a complete check down underneath. The difference is when Brady checks down to him lewis picks up big chunks at a time. I don't know why people fret about game script. Game script does not matter for lewis. If he's healthy he's going to produce. This game was his floor. It was more of a blount game by design and lewis still took over. If anyone happens to put up a fight against New England, Louis' ceiling should be immense.

Another thing is Danny Amendola is pretty much Louis's handcuff as far as receptions in the pecking order. When lewis is out D.A. will get volume otherwise everything is lewis.

100% +1

Picked up and played Amendola last week with Lewis out, payed dividends

Cut Amendola this week and plugged Lewis back in, Dividends

DIVIDENDS

 

[SCT]

Anyone else start Miller over him? :X

I guess I felt better by game's end, but at half I wanted to punch a kitten.

 

[packersfan]

The only concern I honestly have is late-season resting if the Patriots stumble somewhere and aren't playing for an unbeaten season.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The Pats aren't going to rest Blount or Lewis no matter what. People who seem to know the Pats say White is mediocre and we also know that the Pats love Boldin in special teams and never give him any sizeable load. There is no one behind them, there's no Gray, no Vereen, they are as much "it" in their roles as Gronk is in his.

 

[Thunderlips]

The only concern I honestly have is late-season resting if the Patriots stumble somewhere and aren't playing for an unbeaten season.

If they're 12-1 and don't have to worry about homefield throughout the playoffs....would they rest Brady/Gronk/Edelmann? I can't believe they would.

At any rate....start rooting for DEN and CIN. If they're winning....they'll push NE to play their starters.

 

[rugcleaner]

The only concern I honestly have is late-season resting if the Patriots stumble somewhere and aren't playing for an unbeaten season.

Yep, considering I have Brady/Gronk/Lewis in everything, I'm really hoping for unbeaten, would be screwed in a big money league the SB is in week 17

 

[BespokeJort]

Want a stupid waste of time back and forth argument about an obviously very talented player. MOP is comparing a 5' 8" scat back to guys like AP and Lynch. Ridiculous.

These days the NFL is very different. Players of all sizes can excel if they have talent. If you deny that Lewis is a special player, you simply aren't watching him play. It's not even an argument. It's so silly to try and argue that. Ridiculous.

The guy is absolutely electric with the ball in his hands. He has crazy ankle breaking quick twitch moves. He makes defenders miss possibly more than any other back in the NFL. Plus he can run inside and get tough yards. He turns nothing into something almost every time he touches the ball.

It looks to me as if you're arguing just to pass the time BC you're bored and these other guys are just taking the bait.

My advice: just sit back and enjoy watching Lewis tear up the league this year. The only thing that will hold him back from doing that is his usage and possible injury.

I would love to see what he can do with 20-25 touches a game. 15 rush attempts and 10 targets in the passing game. Dude would be a monster.

What's crazy to me is that he must have shown these types of electric moves in Cleveland. How come they didn't use him like this or try and resign him? Maybe they were spooked by the injury?

Or because they are Cleveland?

I have a vivid memory of seeing him juke someone out of their socks running down the sideline for Cleveland in the preseason before he got hurt. It's actually one of the biggest reasons I picked him up when I read he had a real shot at a significant role (as opposed to any major analysis on my part)

 

[Nigel]

Turned down swapping Ingram for him yesterday afternoon, hating myself today.

 

[Loipz]

Anyone else start Miller over him? :X

I guess I felt better by game's end, but at half I wanted to punch a kitten.

Me but I was also out running errands all day so I didn't get to hear or see how he looked in pregame.

 

[Papa John's]

Moving forward, this thread should never include ...

"Well I was thinking of playing ____ over Lewis", or

"Can't decide if I can trust Bill Belichick, because _____", or

"Well, he's injured, so I am not sure ___."

Just play him! Dude should never be out of your lineup!

 

[zftcg]

Two thoughts:

1. What was most amazing about his performance last night was that it watching it live, it was clear the Pats approached it as a "Blount game". I haven't seen the snap count, but it really seemed like Lewis was in almost exclusively on passing downs. He was basically a rich man's Vereen. He made the most of the touches he got.

2. Last night was the first time I really had the opportunity to watch him live, and fully healthy. And I have just two words: Day. Um.

 

[zftcg]

Moving forward, this thread should never include ...

"Well I was thinking of playing ____ over Lewis", or

"Can't decide if I can trust Bill Belichick, because _____", or

"Well, he's injured, so I am not sure ___."

Just play him! Dude should never be out of your lineup!

I own him in two leagues. In my 0.5 PPR, he's locked in. But in my standard league where we can't start RB as flexes, he's still on the bench behind Forte and Ivory.

 

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Finally pulled the trigger on a 2 player trade in PPR:

Gave: Gio + Denver D
Got: Lewis + Blount

Have Seattle behind so not a huge downgrade at D (esp looking at DEN 2nd half schedule)... I think Lewis is a true difference maker when healthy.... If something happens and he's not healthy, I think Blount will be handed the load (with part of the workload going over to the pass game).

At the very least... it's one more reason for me to enjoy rooting for him