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Anarchy99 said:
With NE, it's what we don't see that is usually more telling than what we do see. Having players disappear for a month and not being around is the unusual part. Usually, if players are injured, most of the time they are seen around the team going to the trainer, weight room, therapy, film sessions, seen doing stretching or jogging, at walk throughs, etc. Lewis just plan fell off the map. It's like he went on special assignment in Guatemala on a top secret mission. I have no idea where he was and if that means anything, I just found it odd . . . even for NE.
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BINGO - super, super weird... and the fact that Dr. Jene had zero idea what the second surgery was given the recovery timeline didn't align with usual recovery from a post-ACL clean-up.

We have NO idea what happened... and NE has hid all the info like it's the launch codes.

 
All I'm saying is this... on September 30, Reiss tweeted:

Mike ReissVerified account ‏@MikeReiss Sep 30
Scene-setter: RB Dion Lewis walks through the locker room during media-access period.
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Then today, Reiss tweeted this:

Mike ReissVerified account ‏@MikeReiss 57m57 minutes ago
Scene setter: RB Dion Lewis walks through locker room en route to the weight room. His presence during media access of late has been notable
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He's walking... this time to the weight room.  The first time?  I think I read in the Globe he walked to his locker and back out.  Just saying the secrecy surrounding this is weird, and the fact that he's walking doesn't, in and of itself, tell us anything... nor does the fact that he walked into the weight room.

 
Picked him up last week, dropping Artis-Payne .  Our league rules stipulate that I can place him on our IR, but must remain there for 4 weeks 

Do I place him on the IR and take a wait a see approach, not having him available until week 10?   Or hold, and hope he comes back sooner?  

 
JFS171 said:
All I'm saying is this... on September 30, Reiss tweeted:

Then today, Reiss tweeted this:

He's walking... this time to the weight room.  The first time?  I think I read in the Globe he walked to his locker and back out.  Just saying the secrecy surrounding this is weird, and the fact that he's walking doesn't, in and of itself, tell us anything... nor does the fact that he walked into the weight room.
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For me, the keys are no limping and no brace. 

 
So the question becomes . . . how long does it take for a professional football player to go from walking (perhaps even walking BRISKLY) to playing at a high level with a high snap count on a weekly basis?

 
JFS171 said:
All I'm saying is this... on September 30, Reiss tweeted:

Then today, Reiss tweeted this:

He's walking... this time to the weight room.  The first time?  I think I read in the Globe he walked to his locker and back out.  Just saying the secrecy surrounding this is weird, and the fact that he's walking doesn't, in and of itself, tell us anything... nor does the fact that he walked into the weight room.
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What's up with "Scene Setter:"? Is that supposed to be dramatic?

 
Anarchy99 said:
So the question becomes . . . how long does it take for a professional football player to go from walking (perhaps even walking BRISKLY) to playing at a high level with a high snap count on a weekly basis?
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Took Charles about 6 weeks to get back into football shape, no?

 
shadyridr said:
Took Charles about 6 weeks to get back into football shape, no?
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Charles did limited practice work for three weeks and then played briefly in Week 4. If we're going to use his injury as a comparison than Week 10 would seem the likely return date for Lewis coming out of the Week 9 bye. That's pretty much what many have been speculating all along. 

 
packersfan said:
Charles did limited practice work for three weeks and then played briefly in Week 4. If we're going to use his injury as a comparison than Week 10 would seem the likely return date for Lewis coming out of the Week 9 bye. That's pretty much what many have been speculating all along. 
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Charles is practicing in full and ready to get a normal workload this week for the first time. Its week 6.

 
packersfan said:
Charles did limited practice work for three weeks and then played briefly in Week 4. If we're going to use his injury as a comparison than Week 10 would seem the likely return date for Lewis coming out of the Week 9 bye. That's pretty much what many have been speculating all along. 
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Who knows if comparing two players has any value, but Charles was activated off the PUP on 8/12 and played in his first game (getting 2 carries) on 10/2. That's essentially 7 weeks.He's ready to go finally . . . which is roughly 9 weeks since he started practicing again.

Comparing two different players, Gronk went down with a hamstring injury on 8/15 and finally had a game where NE used him and he did much of anything the other day (10/9). Some of that may be due to the back up QB situation, but Gronk even admitted he was struggling to get back to normal. That was 7 weeks.

Charles is 29. Lewis is 26. Does someone 3 years younger heal THAT much faster?

 
Funny, guys salivating because he looks good walking around the weight room. My wife looks good walking around the weight room too...

He's someone to keep an eye on for sure but if you're looking to pick him up I'd wait a bit longer if you can... it's not entirely neccessary to pick him up now. When he looks good taking hand offs we can start getting excited

 
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The cleanup procedure likely done on his knee was to remove a Cyclops legion. This is somewhat typical on some ACL repairs and it is the most likely scenario for him. That typically sets back 3-4 weeks to recover from that. I'm sure he looks great. He probably feels really good. I wouldn't expect this "clean up" to really mean anything for him aside it gave him extra rest and rehab time. 

That's my report from the rehab gym

 
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Dr. Brew said:
Funny, guys salivating because he looks good walking around the weight room. My wife looks good walking around the weight room too...

He's someone to keep an eye on for sure but if you're looking to pick him up I'd wait a bit longer if you can... it's not entirely neccessary to pick him up now. When he looks good taking hand offs we can start getting excited
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It's entirely necessary to pick him up right before another team in your league would.

In some leagues, that is next week or even next month.  in others it was last week or even on draft day.

 
davearm said:
It's entirely necessary to pick him up right before another team in your league would.

In some leagues, that is next week or even next month.  in others it was last week or even on draft day.
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Yeah it depends on the league. Drafted and IRed in my league. I just like the age of the internet where everything is tweeted and reported instantly. Looking good walking around the weight room. What does that even mean. 

 
Dr. Brew said:
Yeah it depends on the league. Drafted and IRed in my league. I just like the age of the internet where everything is tweeted and reported instantly. Looking good walking around the weight room. What does that even mean. 
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I drafted him, cut him, and reclaimed him multiple times already. 

 
Normally, with any lottery ticket, I wait to see what happens. If you have bench space or IR keep Dion there, if not, then you can't add or keep him.  :shark:

 
I had one twitter report saying he was casually walking.  Is that to hide a limp?  Why be casual about it?  Hopefully we get some more reports tomorrow on this

 
Wrigley said:
When do we see him on the field?

Week 8? 10?
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If he's removed from PUP after this week, expect him back week 8 @BUF.  You know Belicheck will want to run that score up after the earlier game.

Otherwise, week 10 after the bye.

I don't see them planning ot hold him out until week 14 as there is too much that can happen in the division between now and then, particularly if they lose the Bills twice.

 
tcook81 said:
If he's removed from PUP after this week, expect him back week 8 @BUF.  You know Belicheck will want to run that score up after the earlier game.

Otherwise, week 10 after the bye.

I don't see them planning ot hold him out until week 14 as there is too much that can happen in the division between now and then, particularly if they lose the Bills twice.
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I don't see how someone that has done close to nothing for a year could possibly be ready to play football in 2 weeks. He might play on a limited basis Week 10 and a decent amount of snaps Week 12 @NYJ. You can bet your life they want him 100% Week 15 @DEN, as he missed both games in Denver last year.

 
Anarchy99 said:
I don't see how someone that has done close to nothing for a year could possibly be ready to play football in 2 weeks. He might play on a limited basis Week 10 and a decent amount of snaps Week 12 @NYJ. You can bet your life they want him 100% Week 15 @DEN, as he missed both games in Denver last year.
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He was practicing in full at the start of camp.  He has done something.   Week 8 would give him 2 weeks of full practice.    Maybe he's on a bit of a snap count against BUF, but look at his usage last year against BUF.  7/40/td on the ground (most rushing attempts on team) and 6/98 through the air. 

 
wilked said:
I had one twitter report saying he was casually walking.  Is that to hide a limp?  Why be casual about it?  Hopefully we get some more reports tomorrow on this
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Maybe he had nowhere to be?  Rather him casually walk than him sauntering, sashaying, prancing or strutting. 

 
tcook81 said:
He was practicing in full at the start of camp.  He has done something.   Week 8 would give him 2 weeks of full practice.    Maybe he's on a bit of a snap count against BUF, but look at his usage last year against BUF.  7/40/td on the ground (most rushing attempts on team) and 6/98 through the air. 
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He did not participate in full in training camp in August. In fact, the rules to place a player on the PUP list are that you can't participate in training camp at all.

He briefly participated in OTA's in only non contact drills and was seen running route drills. I believe that was in April before they shut him down. Then he had surgery again in August, so IMO the clock resets. I would be shocked if he suits up against the Bills. The Pats should be able to blow out the Bills with Brady back, so not having Lewis shouldn't matter any.

 
I do think it's going to be later rather than sooner.  Why rush him?  White has been capable and they have multiple ways to beat you now.  My vet is after the bye.  Hopefully some news starts to trickle out about him other than walking to the gym

 
Even if you don't get him back until week 10, a healthy Dion Lewis could turn a playoff contender into a championship team. He's a hold for me if you have the space, same with Corey Coleman

 
rarely post and don't check out these boards often anymore, but saw this post and felt compelled to add the discussion.  

I added Lewis in all 3 of my leagues this week, dropping the likes of Fozzy Whitaker, Cole Beasley, and even Terrance West (10 team league I'm stacked at RB in).  

None of those guys are going to be difference makers.  Lewis has the potential to be based on past performance.  It's worth stashing him for a few weeks... plain and simple.  If it doesn't work out due to hearing bad news, chances are you'll be able to pick someone up that isn't too far below who you drop Lewis for today.  

 
Anarchy99 said:
I don't see how someone that has done close to nothing for a year could possibly be ready to play football in 2 weeks. He might play on a limited basis Week 10 and a decent amount of snaps Week 12 @NYJ. You can bet your life they want him 100% Week 15 @DEN, as he missed both games in Denver last year.
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We know Lewis hasn't been practicing with the Patriots. I wouldn't necessarily conclude from that that he's done nothing.

In fact so long as his knee is recovered, he doesn't have anything else to do but strength and conditioning.

Of course the rub is, we don't know if his knee recovered.  And that's precisely why the timetable is so broad/uncertain.

 
http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2016/10/dion_lewis_injury_update_new_e.html

Throughout the summer, Dion Lewis was a ghost, the lone player on the PUP list not to make an appearance on the Patriots practice field.

Lewis was recovering from ACL surgery and, as we learned in late August, required a second procedure on his left knee.

With his potential return nearing, reporters have frequently seen Lewis in the Patriots locker room — he strolled through Wednesday without a limp and without a brace on his knee — but we still have limited details on the nature of his surgery and the status of the knee.

So here's what we know:

Lewis, the electrifying tailback who burst onto the scene a year ago, is currently on the PUP list. He is eligible to practice as early as next week, but it remains to be seen if he is healthy enough to practice.

Per PUP rules...

The earliest Lewis can return to practice: Monday, October 17

The latest Lewis can begin practicing: Tuesday, November 22

The earliest Lewis can make his 2016 debut: Week 7 versus Pittsburgh

The latest Lewis can make his 2016 debut: Week 14 versus Baltimore

Once a PUP player begins practicing, he can remain on the PUP list for a period not exceeding 21 calendar days. So if Lewis practices on Nov. 22, the latest he can be activated is Monday, December 12, when the Pats host the Ravens on Monday Night Football.

As steady as James White has been, Lewis obviously adds a new dimension to the Patriots offense, which already has a nice stable of playmakers in Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman, Martellus Bennett, White, Chris Hogan, and Danny Amendola.

As we saw with Gronkowski's hamstring issue, the Patriots will be patient in bringing back injured players, especially if they continue to cruise through the regular season.

While it's impossible to predict injuries, the Pats want to give themselves the best chance to be healthy heading into the playoffs. They certainly do not want a repeat of 2015, when the league's best team was wrecked by injuries late in the year.

For this reason, it wouldn't be a surprise to see the Patriots proceed cautiously with Lewis.

 
Anarchy99 said:
http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2016/10/dion_lewis_injury_update_new_e.html

Throughout the summer, Dion Lewis was a ghost, the lone player on the PUP list not to make an appearance on the Patriots practice field.

Lewis was recovering from ACL surgery and, as we learned in late August, required a second procedure on his left knee.

With his potential return nearing, reporters have frequently seen Lewis in the Patriots locker room — he strolled through Wednesday without a limp and without a brace on his knee — but we still have limited details on the nature of his surgery and the status of the knee.

So here's what we know:

Lewis, the electrifying tailback who burst onto the scene a year ago, is currently on the PUP list. He is eligible to practice as early as next week, but it remains to be seen if he is healthy enough to practice.

Per PUP rules...

The earliest Lewis can return to practice: Monday, October 17

The latest Lewis can begin practicing: Tuesday, November 22

The earliest Lewis can make his 2016 debut: Week 7 versus Pittsburgh

The latest Lewis can make his 2016 debut: Week 14 versus Baltimore

Once a PUP player begins practicing, he can remain on the PUP list for a period not exceeding 21 calendar days. So if Lewis practices on Nov. 22, the latest he can be activated is Monday, December 12, when the Pats host the Ravens on Monday Night Football.

As steady as James White has been, Lewis obviously adds a new dimension to the Patriots offense, which already has a nice stable of playmakers in Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman, Martellus Bennett, White, Chris Hogan, and Danny Amendola.

As we saw with Gronkowski's hamstring issue, the Patriots will be patient in bringing back injured players, especially if they continue to cruise through the regular season.

While it's impossible to predict injuries, the Pats want to give themselves the best chance to be healthy heading into the playoffs. They certainly do not want a repeat of 2015, when the league's best team was wrecked by injuries late in the year.

For this reason, it wouldn't be a surprise to see the Patriots proceed cautiously with Lewis.
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I may be misinterpreting what the author means, but wasn't Lewis practicing in minicamp?  Maybe the author means he didn't make an appearance in training camp...

 
Patriots fantasy values are a victim of their own success... they don't know how to NOT win the damn division and they don't even really need all their studs playing to do so. 

 
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