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I mainly want to know about your failed marriage, or multiple failures if that was the case. Not about your re-marriages, etc.

How much of http://www.nomarriage.com

is actually true in the cases of marriage failure, how much is basically true but embellished, and how much is totally false.

I've only really been around 3 friends divorces... my parents are together, as are grandparents, so I don't have any up-close personal experience other than my friends.... and two are already remarried and so they just think they were bad-beated, rather than buying into nomarriage.com

 
I mainly want to know about your failed marriage, or multiple failures if that was the case. Not about your re-marriages, etc.

How much of http://www.nomarriage.com

is actually true in the cases of marriage failure, how much is basically true but embellished, and how much is totally false.

I've only really been around 3 friends divorces... my parents are together, as are grandparents, so I don't have any up-close personal experience other than my friends.... and two are already remarried and so they just think they were bad-beated, rather than buying into nomarriage.com
Marriage is rigged. :angry:
 
GordonGekko said:
The best answer I can give you is divorce only really hurts you if you are stuck in the middle of the bell curve. Well what sucks is that most people tend to bunch up in that section so marriage can become a pretty raw deal for the middle class average guy. If you are very wealthy, yes, marriage can hit you hard financially, emotionally and legally, but if you are loaded then you have the resources to start over. If you are very poor, well half of nothing is nothing, so if you will always have nothing, then taking half of that is probably the least of your worries about life. But most people ride the middle. And that's where you can get hammered. You can be bled just enough through child support and alimony that you can just scrape by but never enough so you can get ahead. Sound familiar? It should. It's just a remodified form of economic slavery. Legally and financially, there are very few instances where marriage makes any kind of sense for a man living in the Western world. In terms of emotional impact, that's a separate deal for each man on his own, weigh out by your commitments and if you have kids involved. I've seen a good cross section of people throughout my life. Rich, poor, educated, uneducated, common sense, pure #######, etc. I'd say about 1 percent of all relationships work out in the real world. Married or otherwise. So in realistic terms, if you got married today, odds are you would get divorced 65 times out of 100. There's a strong chance you'd be a regular middle class guy so odds are you'd get hit hard financially. Factor in kids and you are also getting bombshelled legally and emotionally. So 35 times out of 100, you'd stay married. Except the idea of "staying married" doesn't mean you're happy and with the right person. I'd say 1 out of those 35 times you'd be with someone you really love and have great chemistry with and they just make your world a better place. So it's a little misleading to just look at the raw stats for divorce, try to see it the other way, the number of men who aren't getting divorced by wished they could if not for kids or money or fear or whatnot. I think a place like nomarriage.com or a guy like Tom Leykis speak in generalities. No two situations are the same, no two divorces are the same. I think if there is anything to draw from the site or Leykis is that you have to realize the odds are stacked against you in marriage. Well, no big deal, the odds are stacked against you in life. Consider the astronomical odds of you being alive right now. One egg a month for a limited number of months and one sperm out of billions. And not just for you, but for everyone in your family tree to get to you. Consider war, famine, disease, chance encounters, small moments that got you here today. The odds are astronomical. That's why it's called "the miracle of life" Why should the odds of finding your soulmate, someone to really care about being any better? Some people in life will meet the right person. And more power to them if they find someone special. The rest of us will be alone or settle for the wrong person. Reality of the percentages, reality of life. I wouldn't discourage anyone from getting married, because you just might be that lucky one percenter out there, but I would encourage people to really sit down and make informed decisions about an issue that can have a massive ripple effect on the rest of your life. People settle and get married because there is a fear and stigma about being alone. Society wants it that way because they need a whole new generation of tax paying uber consumers out there to buy more chips and soda and SUVs. I think it's something young men really need to try to grasp, the idea that it's ok to be alone, that it's better to be with no person versus being with the wrong person. Right now, there are thousands of people on this site, and I bet you every dollar I have that there are a ton who secretly regret getting married. It all turned around on them, it wasn't what they thought it would be, they wished they could take it all back but they feel it's too late. Some will admit it, some will never admit it but it will be the sad truth in their hearts they have to live in denial about. The right person will bring out the good in you that you never knew you had inside. Most people will never find that right person. Just being alive today is it's own miracle, most people aren't fortunate enough to get another miracle waiting for them in quenue.
:goodposting: I love this guy.
 
GordonGekko said:
The best answer I can give you is divorce only really hurts you if you are stuck in the middle of the bell curve. Well what sucks is that most people tend to bunch up in that section so marriage can become a pretty raw deal for the middle class average guy.

If you are very wealthy, yes, marriage can hit you hard financially, emotionally and legally, but if you are loaded then you have the resources to start over. If you are very poor, well half of nothing is nothing, so if you will always have nothing, then taking half of that is probably the least of your worries about life. But most people ride the middle. And that's where you can get hammered. You can be bled just enough through child support and alimony that you can just scrape by but never enough so you can get ahead.

Sound familiar? It should. It's just a remodified form of economic slavery.

Legally and financially, there are very few instances where marriage makes any kind of sense for a man living in the Western world. In terms of emotional impact, that's a separate deal for each man on his own, weigh out by your commitments and if you have kids involved.

I've seen a good cross section of people throughout my life. Rich, poor, educated, uneducated, common sense, pure #######, etc. I'd say about 1 percent of all relationships work out in the real world. Married or otherwise. So in realistic terms, if you got married today, odds are you would get divorced 65 times out of 100. There's a strong chance you'd be a regular middle class guy so odds are you'd get hit hard financially. Factor in kids and you are also getting bombshelled legally and emotionally. So 35 times out of 100, you'd stay married. Except the idea of "staying married" doesn't mean you're happy and with the right person. I'd say 1 out of those 35 times you'd be with someone you really love and have great chemistry with and they just make your world a better place. So it's a little misleading to just look at the raw stats for divorce, try to see it the other way, the number of men who aren't getting divorced by wished they could if not for kids or money or fear or whatnot.

I think a place like nomarriage.com or a guy like Tom Leykis speak in generalities. No two situations are the same, no two divorces are the same. I think if there is anything to draw from the site or Leykis is that you have to realize the odds are stacked against you in marriage. Well, no big deal, the odds are stacked against you in life. Consider the astronomical odds of you being alive right now. One egg a month for a limited number of months and one sperm out of billions. And not just for you, but for everyone in your family tree to get to you. Consider war, famine, disease, chance encounters, small moments that got you here today. The odds are astronomical. That's why it's called "the miracle of life" Why should the odds of finding your soulmate, someone to really care about being any better?

Some people in life will meet the right person. And more power to them if they find someone special. The rest of us will be alone or settle for the wrong person. Reality of the percentages, reality of life. I wouldn't discourage anyone from getting married, because you just might be that lucky one percenter out there, but I would encourage people to really sit down and make informed decisions about an issue that can have a massive ripple effect on the rest of your life.

People settle and get married because there is a fear and stigma about being alone. Society wants it that way because they need a whole new generation of tax paying uber consumers out there to buy more chips and soda and SUVs. I think it's something young men really need to try to grasp, the idea that it's ok to be alone, that it's better to be with no person versus being with the wrong person. Right now, there are thousands of people on this site, and I bet you every dollar I have that there are a ton who secretly regret getting married. It all turned around on them, it wasn't what they thought it would be, they wished they could take it all back but they feel it's too late. Some will admit it, some will never admit it but it will be the sad truth in their hearts they have to live in denial about.

The right person will bring out the good in you that you never knew you had inside. Most people will never find that right person. Just being alive today is it's own miracle, most people aren't fortunate enough to get another miracle waiting for them in quenue.
How many single guys are truly happy? Creating their own positive chemistry, making their own world a better place instead of spending countless hours per week posting on message boards, watching hours and hours of football on weekends, and searching for good prOn?...As a one time divorced father of one, remarried with two more I can say that I would never, ever wish a divorce on anyone...not my worst enemy. I don't know how many years that ordeal took off of my life. I can say that my second marriage is to one I would consider my "soul mate." That's not to say that it has been easy. Second marriages are more doomed by statistics then the firsts, yet we both work hard at making it work. In spite of all that work I wouldn't trade this marriage or my kids for anything.

Making something out of life is hard enough as an individual. I'd say that while it's twice as hard in a marriage it can pay twice the dividends. Or more. As "they" say, "anything worth having is work working for."

Hell, even good prOn. :clap:

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How many single guys are truly happy?
<----This guy right here, for one.I answer to no one, have no real responsibilities that I couldn't walk out on with a moment's notice, I can go out whenever I want, I have plenty of money, I can have sex with multiple women, I can continue to have sex with attractive young women even as I grow older, I can afford nice things, and I answer to no one.GG is right on the money. Marriage isn't for everyone, but most people don't realize that. If I get married some day, it will be because I found the perfect girl and don't want to be with anyone else, ever again - and I would have to be damn convinced that she felt the same way about me. If that happens, great. If not, I continue to sleep with the woman of the moment, or the week, or the whatever.Either way, I win.
 
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How many single guys are truly happy?
<----This guy right here, for one.I answer to no one, have no real responsibilities that I couldn't walk out on with a moment's notice, I can go out whenever I want, I have plenty of money, I can have sex with multiple women, I can continue to have sex with attractive young women even as I grow older, I can afford nice things, and I answer to no one.

GG is right on the money. Marriage isn't for everyone, but most people don't realize that. If I get married some day, it will be because I found the perfect girl and don't want to be with anyone else, ever again - and I would have to be damn convinced that she felt the same way about me.

If that happens, great.

If not, I continue to sleep with the woman of the moment, or the week, or the whatever.

Either way, I win.
Oh, you're a winner all right.
 
How many single guys are truly happy?
<----This guy right here, for one.I answer to no one, have no real responsibilities that I couldn't walk out on with a moment's notice, I can go out whenever I want, I have plenty of money, I can have sex with multiple women, I can continue to have sex with attractive young women even as I grow older, I can afford nice things, and I answer to no one.

GG is right on the money. Marriage isn't for everyone, but most people don't realize that. If I get married some day, it will be because I found the perfect girl and don't want to be with anyone else, ever again - and I would have to be damn convinced that she felt the same way about me.

If that happens, great.

If not, I continue to sleep with the woman of the moment, or the week, or the whatever.

Either way, I win.
Oh, you're a winner all right.
Good posting for both borat and glock. Marriage is not for everyone. As glock points out, it's not for borat. Maybe later but not now. That's not a bad thing. :goodposting: J

 
GordonGekko said:
The best answer I can give you is divorce only really hurts you if you are stuck in the middle of the bell curve. Well what sucks is that most people tend to bunch up in that section so marriage can become a pretty raw deal for the middle class average guy. If you are very wealthy, yes, marriage can hit you hard financially, emotionally and legally, but if you are loaded then you have the resources to start over. If you are very poor, well half of nothing is nothing, so if you will always have nothing, then taking half of that is probably the least of your worries about life. But most people ride the middle. And that's where you can get hammered. You can be bled just enough through child support and alimony that you can just scrape by but never enough so you can get ahead. Sound familiar? It should. It's just a remodified form of economic slavery. Legally and financially, there are very few instances where marriage makes any kind of sense for a man living in the Western world. In terms of emotional impact, that's a separate deal for each man on his own, weigh out by your commitments and if you have kids involved. I've seen a good cross section of people throughout my life. Rich, poor, educated, uneducated, common sense, pure #######, etc. I'd say about 1 percent of all relationships work out in the real world. Married or otherwise. So in realistic terms, if you got married today, odds are you would get divorced 65 times out of 100. There's a strong chance you'd be a regular middle class guy so odds are you'd get hit hard financially. Factor in kids and you are also getting bombshelled legally and emotionally. So 35 times out of 100, you'd stay married. Except the idea of "staying married" doesn't mean you're happy and with the right person. I'd say 1 out of those 35 times you'd be with someone you really love and have great chemistry with and they just make your world a better place. So it's a little misleading to just look at the raw stats for divorce, try to see it the other way, the number of men who aren't getting divorced by wished they could if not for kids or money or fear or whatnot. I think a place like nomarriage.com or a guy like Tom Leykis speak in generalities. No two situations are the same, no two divorces are the same. I think if there is anything to draw from the site or Leykis is that you have to realize the odds are stacked against you in marriage. Well, no big deal, the odds are stacked against you in life. Consider the astronomical odds of you being alive right now. One egg a month for a limited number of months and one sperm out of billions. And not just for you, but for everyone in your family tree to get to you. Consider war, famine, disease, chance encounters, small moments that got you here today. The odds are astronomical. That's why it's called "the miracle of life" Why should the odds of finding your soulmate, someone to really care about being any better? Some people in life will meet the right person. And more power to them if they find someone special. The rest of us will be alone or settle for the wrong person. Reality of the percentages, reality of life. I wouldn't discourage anyone from getting married, because you just might be that lucky one percenter out there, but I would encourage people to really sit down and make informed decisions about an issue that can have a massive ripple effect on the rest of your life. People settle and get married because there is a fear and stigma about being alone. Society wants it that way because they need a whole new generation of tax paying uber consumers out there to buy more chips and soda and SUVs. I think it's something young men really need to try to grasp, the idea that it's ok to be alone, that it's better to be with no person versus being with the wrong person. Right now, there are thousands of people on this site, and I bet you every dollar I have that there are a ton who secretly regret getting married. It all turned around on them, it wasn't what they thought it would be, they wished they could take it all back but they feel it's too late. Some will admit it, some will never admit it but it will be the sad truth in their hearts they have to live in denial about. The right person will bring out the good in you that you never knew you had inside. Most people will never find that right person. Just being alive today is it's own miracle, most people aren't fortunate enough to get another miracle waiting for them in quenue.
I will take FBG's Spouting Baseless Ideas to Try and Sound Important for $200, Alex. :goodposting:
 
I mainly want to know about your failed marriage, or multiple failures if that was the case. Not about your re-marriages, etc.

How much of http://www.nomarriage.com

is actually true in the cases of marriage failure, how much is basically true but embellished, and how much is totally false.

I've only really been around 3 friends divorces... my parents are together, as are grandparents, so I don't have any up-close personal experience other than my friends.... and two are already remarried and so they just think they were bad-beated, rather than buying into nomarriage.com
Hi Dentist,I'm not sure what you're asking.

You're not seriously asking if the nomarriage.com site is serious are you?

Their description of the "modern american female"

The modern American female is an empty shell of a human being, and apparently there are few exceptions.
Nice. I wouldn't get married either if I believed that.J

 
GordonGekko said:
I'd say about 1 percent of all relationships work out in the real world. Married or otherwise.
Hi gordon,1 percent of all relationships work out? You really think that?How are you defining "relationship"? And "work out"?J
 
I've been married for almost 2 years and I'm definitely glad I did it.

I was 33 when I tied the knot so I had my fill of the single life, for sure.

 
i can always tell when the good stuff has arrived from the hills of Tennessee. All i do is wait for a few GG posts and i know its time to see my "friend"

 
I see a lot of false statements on the website and I see a lot of truths.

I'm single, have plenty of women to hang out with and am moderately successful...if this is all life has to offer I'm going to be rather disappointed.

 
I see a lot of false statements on the website and I see a lot of truths.I'm single, have plenty of women to hang out with and am moderately successful...if this is all life has to offer I'm going to be rather disappointed.
Don't worry, much like your rankings it will only get worse after marriage.
 
BassNBrew said:
LHUCKS said:
I see a lot of false statements on the website and I see a lot of truths.I'm single, have plenty of women to hang out with and am moderately successful...if this is all life has to offer I'm going to be rather disappointed.
Don't worry, much like your rankings it will only get worse after marriage.
I'll guess I'll just have to settle for kicking your ### in fantasy football to provide my happiness.
 
BassNBrew said:
LHUCKS said:
I see a lot of false statements on the website and I see a lot of truths.I'm single, have plenty of women to hang out with and am moderately successful...if this is all life has to offer I'm going to be rather disappointed.
Don't worry, much like your rankings it will only get worse after marriage.
I'll guess I'll just have to settle for kicking your ### in fantasy football to provide my happiness.
:boxing: Speaking of which, when are my championship proceeds arriving?
 
I don't understand the question...we're not actually expected to read that entire webpage and all it's links before answering...are we?

What is being asked here?

 
GordonGekko said:
I believe every fairy tale should add five chapters to the story. Once the prince slays the dragon and saves the beautiful maiden from the tower, there isn't a happily ever after. No one wants to talk about the part where the prince becomes distant and depressed and needs to drink a six pack every night to get through the day. No one wants to talk about the part were the new princess turns fat and nags everyone to no end. No one wants to talk about the meddlesome inlaws or the kids hopped up on Ritalin or the simple decay of any relationship and any family.
I smell the plot of Shrek 3......
 
Although i think Gordon gecko is way too verbose and just a bit extreme, i sort of agree with his point. Alot of people arent cut out for marriage, and those that arent and try are doomed to be pretty miserable.

my father is 57 years old, and twice divorced. The first time was his college girlfriend. it lasted less than 2 years and they had a clean break. He moved back to the east coast and hasnt seen her since. The 2nd was my mother. It lasted about 13 years. It happened when i was about 12 years old, so it hurt. but looking back on it, i cant believe they ever thought they were right for eachother. They are completely wrong for eachother in every single way.

Now, my dad is in a relationship with his HS sweetheart. They have been dating exclusivly since just after the divorce. By all accounts, they seem pretty darn happy. They share interests, live together without many problems and are each independently wealthy. They are not married. To me, this is the way to go for most people. Im all for commitment and finding someone to spend your life with, but i dont think the institution of marriage is right for most people. As GG mentioned, major issues are ineveitable.

1) someone gets fat

2) loss of sex drive

3) money problems

4) diferent goals

for 99.9999% of couples, these issues are gonna pop up. Then, there are only 3 solutions. they can legitimatly work things out, they can pretend everything is fine but be miserable, or they can break up. IMO, it seems much easier and more practical to make these decisions without having a formal commitment to eachother. Marriage turns any issue into 1 massive legal and emtional cluster####. At my age (23) i just dont see how it is worth it.

 
Although i think Gordon gecko is way too verbose and just a bit extreme, i sort of agree with his point. Alot of people arent cut out for marriage, and those that arent and try are doomed to be pretty miserable. my father is 57 years old, and twice divorced. The first time was his college girlfriend. it lasted less than 2 years and they had a clean break. He moved back to the east coast and hasnt seen her since. The 2nd was my mother. It lasted about 13 years. It happened when i was about 12 years old, so it hurt. but looking back on it, i cant believe they ever thought they were right for eachother. They are completely wrong for eachother in every single way.Now, my dad is in a relationship with his HS sweetheart. They have been dating exclusivly since just after the divorce. By all accounts, they seem pretty darn happy. They share interests, live together without many problems and are each independently wealthy. They are not married. To me, this is the way to go for most people. Im all for commitment and finding someone to spend your life with, but i dont think the institution of marriage is right for most people. As GG mentioned, major issues are ineveitable. 1) someone gets fat2) loss of sex drive3) money problems4) diferent goalsfor 99.9999% of couples, these issues are gonna pop up. Then, there are only 3 solutions. they can legitimatly work things out, they can pretend everything is fine but be miserable, or they can break up. IMO, it seems much easier and more practical to make these decisions without having a formal commitment to eachother. Marriage turns any issue into 1 massive legal and emtional cluster####. At my age (23) i just dont see how it is worth it.
You don't have to at 23. Check back in 5-10 years.Let's face it - there are tradeoffs to everything. What's more important to you? Being able to tap everything in sight with no responsibilities? Then by all means stay single and DON'T impregnate anybody. Your choice. If you want a partner in life, a great family with kids and build a legacy for generations, then go that route and do your absolute best to make it work. It's people that mix the two that get in trouble.Choose your life partner wisely and the chances are better you won't be a GG statistic.
 
Divorce is one of the reasons that I'm struggling with the concept of marriage and whether or not it's cut out for me at all. I don't want to end up like the old man on the subway I saw yesterday all alone and looking depressed (he could have just been an alcoholic, I dunno) but I'm not sure I want to put it all on the line like that.

My gf has been pressuring me lately to make up mind on the subject and give her some sort of reassurance that I am willing to get married in the near future. Don't even get me started on the children question, which is even bigger than the marriage one. She wants children and doesn't want to be with someone who doesn't want them.

I'm struggling with this a bit and I know that she'll leave me in the next 6-9 months if I don't put up or shut up on this. Ugh. Maybe it's time for a new thread to discuss this at length.

 
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Divorce is one of the reasons that I'm struggling with the concept of marriage and whether or not it's cut out for me at all. I don't want to end up like the old man on the subway I saw yesterday all alone and looking depressed (he could have just been an alcoholic, I dunno) but I'm not sure I want to put it all on the line like that.My gf has been pressuring me lately to make up mind on the subject and give her some sort of reassurance that I am willing to get married in the near future. Don't even get me started on the children question, which is even bigger than the marriage one. She wants children and doesn't want to be with someone who doesn't want them.I'm struggling with this a bit and I know that she'll leave me in the next 6-9 months if I don't put up or shut up on this. Ugh. Maybe it's time for a new thread to discuss this at length.
You and I Z Machine are in the exact same boat... and I mean the EXACT same boat
 
I mainly want to know about your failed marriage, or multiple failures if that was the case. Not about your re-marriages, etc.

How much of http://www.nomarriage.com

is actually true in the cases of marriage failure, how much is basically true but embellished, and how much is totally false.

I've only really been around 3 friends divorces... my parents are together, as are grandparents, so I don't have any up-close personal experience other than my friends.... and two are already remarried and so they just think they were bad-beated, rather than buying into nomarriage.com
The site and most of what GG is spouting are pure rubbish. I was divorced after 7 years of marriage and yeah, it sucked. A couple years later I met someone who had all the qualities wife #1 didn't. We've now been married 18 years and I wouldn't change a thing. Using your analogy, sometimes you go all-in with a set of aces and lose. That doesn't mean you don't go all-in the next time you have a great hand.Is marriage easy? Of course not. Both parties need to want it to work and both have to commit to it. There will be problems--kids, finances, and other issues will create lots of chances for disagreement, but nothing you can't get through, and the rewards are worth it. I guess it's sort of like the old saying about democracy--"It ain't perfect, but it's way better than whatever is in second place."

 
GordonGekko said:
The best answer I can give you is divorce only really hurts you if you are stuck in the middle of the bell curve. Well what sucks is that most people tend to bunch up in that section so marriage can become a pretty raw deal for the middle class average guy. If you are very wealthy, yes, marriage can hit you hard financially, emotionally and legally, but if you are loaded then you have the resources to start over. If you are very poor, well half of nothing is nothing, so if you will always have nothing, then taking half of that is probably the least of your worries about life. But most people ride the middle. And that's where you can get hammered. You can be bled just enough through child support and alimony that you can just scrape by but never enough so you can get ahead. Sound familiar? It should. It's just a remodified form of economic slavery. Legally and financially, there are very few instances where marriage makes any kind of sense for a man living in the Western world. In terms of emotional impact, that's a separate deal for each man on his own, weigh out by your commitments and if you have kids involved. I've seen a good cross section of people throughout my life. Rich, poor, educated, uneducated, common sense, pure #######, etc. I'd say about 1 percent of all relationships work out in the real world. Married or otherwise. So in realistic terms, if you got married today, odds are you would get divorced 65 times out of 100. There's a strong chance you'd be a regular middle class guy so odds are you'd get hit hard financially. Factor in kids and you are also getting bombshelled legally and emotionally. So 35 times out of 100, you'd stay married. Except the idea of "staying married" doesn't mean you're happy and with the right person. I'd say 1 out of those 35 times you'd be with someone you really love and have great chemistry with and they just make your world a better place. So it's a little misleading to just look at the raw stats for divorce, try to see it the other way, the number of men who aren't getting divorced by wished they could if not for kids or money or fear or whatnot. I think a place like nomarriage.com or a guy like Tom Leykis speak in generalities. No two situations are the same, no two divorces are the same. I think if there is anything to draw from the site or Leykis is that you have to realize the odds are stacked against you in marriage. Well, no big deal, the odds are stacked against you in life. Consider the astronomical odds of you being alive right now. One egg a month for a limited number of months and one sperm out of billions. And not just for you, but for everyone in your family tree to get to you. Consider war, famine, disease, chance encounters, small moments that got you here today. The odds are astronomical. That's why it's called "the miracle of life" Why should the odds of finding your soulmate, someone to really care about being any better? Some people in life will meet the right person. And more power to them if they find someone special. The rest of us will be alone or settle for the wrong person. Reality of the percentages, reality of life. I wouldn't discourage anyone from getting married, because you just might be that lucky one percenter out there, but I would encourage people to really sit down and make informed decisions about an issue that can have a massive ripple effect on the rest of your life. People settle and get married because there is a fear and stigma about being alone. Society wants it that way because they need a whole new generation of tax paying uber consumers out there to buy more chips and soda and SUVs. I think it's something young men really need to try to grasp, the idea that it's ok to be alone, that it's better to be with no person versus being with the wrong person. Right now, there are thousands of people on this site, and I bet you every dollar I have that there are a ton who secretly regret getting married. It all turned around on them, it wasn't what they thought it would be, they wished they could take it all back but they feel it's too late. Some will admit it, some will never admit it but it will be the sad truth in their hearts they have to live in denial about. The right person will bring out the good in you that you never knew you had inside. Most people will never find that right person. Just being alive today is it's own miracle, most people aren't fortunate enough to get another miracle waiting for them in quenue.
:banned: I love this guy.
:goodposting:
 
Divorce is one of the reasons that I'm struggling with the concept of marriage and whether or not it's cut out for me at all. I don't want to end up like the old man on the subway I saw yesterday all alone and looking depressed (he could have just been an alcoholic, I dunno) but I'm not sure I want to put it all on the line like that.My gf has been pressuring me lately to make up mind on the subject and give her some sort of reassurance that I am willing to get married in the near future. Don't even get me started on the children question, which is even bigger than the marriage one. She wants children and doesn't want to be with someone who doesn't want them.I'm struggling with this a bit and I know that she'll leave me in the next 6-9 months if I don't put up or shut up on this. Ugh. Maybe it's time for a new thread to discuss this at length.
You and I Z Machine are in the exact same boat... and I mean the EXACT same boat
Menage a trois?
 
Divorce is one of the reasons that I'm struggling with the concept of marriage and whether or not it's cut out for me at all. I don't want to end up like the old man on the subway I saw yesterday all alone and looking depressed (he could have just been an alcoholic, I dunno) but I'm not sure I want to put it all on the line like that.My gf has been pressuring me lately to make up mind on the subject and give her some sort of reassurance that I am willing to get married in the near future. Don't even get me started on the children question, which is even bigger than the marriage one. She wants children and doesn't want to be with someone who doesn't want them.I'm struggling with this a bit and I know that she'll leave me in the next 6-9 months if I don't put up or shut up on this. Ugh. Maybe it's time for a new thread to discuss this at length.
You and I Z Machine are in the exact same boat... and I mean the EXACT same boat
300 million people in the US. Assuming you aren't gay, 150 million females. Narrowing that down to women between the ages of 22 and 29 would give you 15 million available females. Let's assume 50% are spoken for and 17% are lesbians...5 million in the pool. I know you guys have high standards so let's only deal with the upper 10%...500,000 potential soulmates. How many of these 500,000 have you met?When you think about it, marriage is settling for what's acceptable. If you were born in another town or lived elsewhere, you'd have a new "one and only soulmate". If you chick wants kids and you don't, you're not even settling settling for acceptable. This is one subject where the standard should be 100% sure, not beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
GordonGekko said:
The best answer I can give you is divorce only really hurts you if you are stuck in the middle of the bell curve. Well what sucks is that most people tend to bunch up in that section so marriage can become a pretty raw deal for the middle class average guy.

If you are very wealthy, yes, marriage can hit you hard financially, emotionally and legally, but if you are loaded then you have the resources to start over. If you are very poor, well half of nothing is nothing, so if you will always have nothing, then taking half of that is probably the least of your worries about life. But most people ride the middle. And that's where you can get hammered. You can be bled just enough through child support and alimony that you can just scrape by but never enough so you can get ahead.

Sound familiar? It should. It's just a remodified form of economic slavery.

Legally and financially, there are very few instances where marriage makes any kind of sense for a man living in the Western world. In terms of emotional impact, that's a separate deal for each man on his own, weigh out by your commitments and if you have kids involved.

I've seen a good cross section of people throughout my life. Rich, poor, educated, uneducated, common sense, pure #######, etc. I'd say about 1 percent of all relationships work out in the real world. Married or otherwise. So in realistic terms, if you got married today, odds are you would get divorced 65 times out of 100. There's a strong chance you'd be a regular middle class guy so odds are you'd get hit hard financially. Factor in kids and you are also getting bombshelled legally and emotionally. So 35 times out of 100, you'd stay married. Except the idea of "staying married" doesn't mean you're happy and with the right person. I'd say 1 out of those 35 times you'd be with someone you really love and have great chemistry with and they just make your world a better place. So it's a little misleading to just look at the raw stats for divorce, try to see it the other way, the number of men who aren't getting divorced by wished they could if not for kids or money or fear or whatnot.

I think a place like nomarriage.com or a guy like Tom Leykis speak in generalities. No two situations are the same, no two divorces are the same. I think if there is anything to draw from the site or Leykis is that you have to realize the odds are stacked against you in marriage. Well, no big deal, the odds are stacked against you in life. Consider the astronomical odds of you being alive right now. One egg a month for a limited number of months and one sperm out of billions. And not just for you, but for everyone in your family tree to get to you. Consider war, famine, disease, chance encounters, small moments that got you here today. The odds are astronomical. That's why it's called "the miracle of life" Why should the odds of finding your soulmate, someone to really care about being any better?

Some people in life will meet the right person. And more power to them if they find someone special. The rest of us will be alone or settle for the wrong person. Reality of the percentages, reality of life. I wouldn't discourage anyone from getting married, because you just might be that lucky one percenter out there, but I would encourage people to really sit down and make informed decisions about an issue that can have a massive ripple effect on the rest of your life.

People settle and get married because there is a fear and stigma about being alone. Society wants it that way because they need a whole new generation of tax paying uber consumers out there to buy more chips and soda and SUVs. I think it's something young men really need to try to grasp, the idea that it's ok to be alone, that it's better to be with no person versus being with the wrong person. Right now, there are thousands of people on this site, and I bet you every dollar I have that there are a ton who secretly regret getting married. It all turned around on them, it wasn't what they thought it would be, they wished they could take it all back but they feel it's too late. Some will admit it, some will never admit it but it will be the sad truth in their hearts they have to live in denial about.

The right person will bring out the good in you that you never knew you had inside. Most people will never find that right person. Just being alive today is it's own miracle, most people aren't fortunate enough to get another miracle waiting for them in quenue.
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Divorce is one of the reasons that I'm struggling with the concept of marriage and whether or not it's cut out for me at all. I don't want to end up like the old man on the subway I saw yesterday all alone and looking depressed (he could have just been an alcoholic, I dunno) but I'm not sure I want to put it all on the line like that.My gf has been pressuring me lately to make up mind on the subject and give her some sort of reassurance that I am willing to get married in the near future. Don't even get me started on the children question, which is even bigger than the marriage one. She wants children and doesn't want to be with someone who doesn't want them.I'm struggling with this a bit and I know that she'll leave me in the next 6-9 months if I don't put up or shut up on this. Ugh. Maybe it's time for a new thread to discuss this at length.
No one should be pressured into getting married. This is not a formula for success.Same goes with children. This should be a joint deicision and discussed well beforehand.(I'm not a divorced FBG...happily married going on 6 years....so I apologize for checking into this thread uninvited.)Also, GG posts had some good points, but honestly he was dead wrong on other points. I enjoy reading him, but find myself thinking more and more he is trying to be something he is not on this message board, thus the reason for his wordiness.Anyway, that being said, if you are wondering about divorce before you even get married, that is being a bit defeatist. I'm a realist, for sure....but when I went into my marriage, divorce was not an option that worried me in the least. I just turned 30 when I got married, so I had lived single life. I enjoyed it just fine, but I was ready for more. I wanted a life partner, someone I could love and could love me. I wanted to enjoy life's experiences with someone, not just a random person, but someone special. I also wanted a child or two....hell have three. If you are lucky, you are granted 80 or so years on this planet Earth. In the overall scheme of things, that is nothing, a blink in the eye of time. For some, spending this time with someone, and sharing the miracle of life, raising children, passing on your faiths, beliefs, values, your money, and your time is the essence of life, the meaning of life if you will. For others it is not. Basically, you just need to figure it out on your own and "ride that ####er out". There's a chance that your relationship, your marriage, will end badly. There's a chance my relationship and my marriage will end badly. There's also a chance that I get into a car accident on the way home tonight, or that my wife slips and falls down the stairs at home. You just need to enjoy the time that you are blessed with when you are here.g'luck
 
I understand the point of finding a partner to live and share your life with. I've been doing that going on a year and a half now. I've been living with the gf for about a year and we've had shared finances (out of necessity) here in Spain going on 4 months now. That part has been a ##### and has given me the only pause I would have about wanting to spend a long, long time with the gf.

But I'm just not sure about her "game plan" or "time line" that she's set forth for her life and where I fit into it. Ugh. I see this ending badly and that scares me... a lot.

 
The problem, as I see it, is that you grow tired of the things that attracted you to them to begin with. The cute little jokes that made you think they had a great sense of humor, becomes the same old stupid jokes. The illness that made you compassionate now makes you want to sleep in another room so you don't get sick. The one who was frugal and had a great plan for future financial security, is now a cheap f**k who never likes to have fun.

..and that's just the things you used to like about them.

The things that got on your nerves a wee bit, grow into things that make you contemplate murder.

Also, it takes a special person to be able to trade in the joy and bliss of the first year of a relationship, for the comfort and routine of a marriage.

For me, personally, I still love my wife and we have been married for 13 years. We have our moments, as everyone does, but we get along pretty well. We are, however, very child-based in our relationship. We have only one child (she's 11) and I am very involved with her in athletics. Her mom and her are very close and love going to NYC or shopping. My fear is how we are going to "re-connect' once my daughter goes off to college or leaves home.

 
I think a lot of the single guys on the board here are in the same boat. I'm 26 and been with my g/f for about 3 1/2 years. She's 24 and still in college so she's not really in a rush to get married yet, but I know that if I proposed, she'd say yes in a heartbeat. Marriage does scare me, though. You have the chance of divorce and all the financial hardships that go along with a divorce. And then when you add kids into the mix, it can get very messy. On the same token, however, I'd like to have kids someday but I definitely don't want to be a single father.

Personally, I think I'm going to go be single for a few years (yes, break up with the g/f) while I'm still sort of young, and get the single #### out of my system. And if I find a girl worthey of wifey material when I'm in a my early 30's, great, if not, then I'll be single for a little longer.

 
The problem, as I see it, is that you grow tired of the things that attracted you to them to begin with. The cute little jokes that made you think they had a great sense of humor, becomes the same old stupid jokes. The illness that made you compassionate now makes you want to sleep in another room so you don't get sick. The one who was frugal and had a great plan for future financial security, is now a cheap f**k who never likes to have fun...and that's just the things you used to like about them.The things that got on your nerves a wee bit, grow into things that make you contemplate murder.Also, it takes a special person to be able to trade in the joy and bliss of the first year of a relationship, for the comfort and routine of a marriage.For me, personally, I still love my wife and we have been married for 13 years. We have our moments, as everyone does, but we get along pretty well. We are, however, very child-based in our relationship. We have only one child (she's 11) and I am very involved with her in athletics. Her mom and her are very close and love going to NYC or shopping. My fear is how we are going to "re-connect' once my daughter goes off to college or leaves home.
Hopefully she'll turn out gay (or bi) so you can talk about chicks. Joking... only joking.
 
I think a lot of the single guys on the board here are in the same boat. I'm 26 and been with my g/f for about 3 1/2 years. She's 24 and still in college so she's not really in a rush to get married yet, but I know that if I proposed, she'd say yes in a heartbeat. Marriage does scare me, though. You have the chance of divorce and all the financial hardships that go along with a divorce. And then when you add kids into the mix, it can get very messy. On the same token, however, I'd like to have kids someday but I definitely don't want to be a single father.Personally, I think I'm going to go be single for a few years (yes, break up with the g/f) while I'm still sort of young, and get the single #### out of my system. And if I find a girl worthey of wifey material when I'm in a my early 30's, great, if not, then I'll be single for a little longer.
How are you going to end it? Do you live with her?
 
The problem, as I see it, is that you grow tired of the things that attracted you to them to begin with. The cute little jokes that made you think they had a great sense of humor, becomes the same old stupid jokes. The illness that made you compassionate now makes you want to sleep in another room so you don't get sick. The one who was frugal and had a great plan for future financial security, is now a cheap f**k who never likes to have fun...and that's just the things you used to like about them.The things that got on your nerves a wee bit, grow into things that make you contemplate murder.Also, it takes a special person to be able to trade in the joy and bliss of the first year of a relationship, for the comfort and routine of a marriage.For me, personally, I still love my wife and we have been married for 13 years. We have our moments, as everyone does, but we get along pretty well. We are, however, very child-based in our relationship. We have only one child (she's 11) and I am very involved with her in athletics. Her mom and her are very close and love going to NYC or shopping. My fear is how we are going to "re-connect' once my daughter goes off to college or leaves home.
Hopefully she'll turn out gay (or bi) so you can talk about chicks. Joking... only joking.
:kicksrock: She wants to go to Harvard on a soccer scholarship and do modeling on the side. She also plans on playing on the US Women's Natonal Team. (Isn't it great to be eleven and not realize that any dream is impossible?)
 
I think a lot of the single guys on the board here are in the same boat. I'm 26 and been with my g/f for about 3 1/2 years. She's 24 and still in college so she's not really in a rush to get married yet, but I know that if I proposed, she'd say yes in a heartbeat. Marriage does scare me, though. You have the chance of divorce and all the financial hardships that go along with a divorce. And then when you add kids into the mix, it can get very messy. On the same token, however, I'd like to have kids someday but I definitely don't want to be a single father.Personally, I think I'm going to go be single for a few years (yes, break up with the g/f) while I'm still sort of young, and get the single #### out of my system. And if I find a girl worthey of wifey material when I'm in a my early 30's, great, if not, then I'll be single for a little longer.
How are you going to end it? Do you live with her?
We've been living together for the past 2 years. We share an apartment.We actually just got into a fight last night and it seems like we get into a good fight every 2 weeks or so. I've always been a little reluctant about breaking it off because I'm a little more financial stable since I'm out of school and I worry how she's going to pay the rent by herself. But the more I think about it, that's not a good reason to stay in a relationship that neither one of us are that happy in.No big plans on how I'm going to end it. I work Saturday morning and then have off Saturday afternoon and all day Sunday. I guess sometime Friday or Saturday I'll tell her and be on my way. It does suck because you get in a comfortable routine and setting living together, but I guess it's for the best sometimes.
 
Marriage, like any other relationship whether it be a business one, friendship, etc takes work. When it works better than it did before due to the hard work, it's rewarding. Hopefully over a lifetime you and your spouse can look back fondly at all the hard work you put in together to reach that point with an incredible family to enjoy your twilight years with. That is my definition of a successful and respectful marriage. Your definition may, and probably is, different than mine and that's ok.

ETA: any of you who are not able to see that marriage is work isn't ready to get married. how many successful, rewarding things in life are easy? none. I am a small business owner and am constantly maneuvering to cater to my business partner. He is a different person than I am (more reactionary for example). In order for the business to work I need to realize that and although it's not easy, it's rewarding. My wife is a different person that I am and I have to cater to her needs/wants too. The people in life who do that end up with solid relationships, whether you're it's a marriage, parenting, sibling, business partnering, or being a son/daughter. It's work! If you want that support you have to work on it.

 
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GordonGekko said:
GordonGekko said:
I'd say about 1 percent of all relationships work out in the real world. Married or otherwise.
Hi gordon,1 percent of all relationships work out? You really think that?How are you defining "relationship"? And "work out"?J
One of my businesses deals directly with divorce. I've seen it all. There are times I wish I didn't. Now that extra viewpoint doesn't make me any smarter or any more saavy than anyone else here regarding this subject, but I can say I have some first hand right in the trenches frontcourt seats to what a divorce can really do to the average guy. It's not pretty. It's savage. It's watching two people get into a trainwreck with their souls. Giving a full one percent is actually kind of generous in my view. Here's the truth. It's undeniable. All relationships end badly. You either have them blow up on you in the garden variety real life kind of way or you find that one special person and you grow old together and one of you has to die first. What would you consider worse? Having a string of unhealthy crappy relationships that went nowhere in your life? Or finding the true love of your life and watching her life slip away and living past her death for another twenty years?
Please. Two people marry and live happily for 50 years and because both don't die at the exact same time and leave the relationship "together", that qualifies as "ending badly" in your opinion?Good fishing here. :confused:J
 
I wonder if the FFA would agree that certain personality types are better than others for getting married?

I was watching a show on one of the networks and a psychologist basically came to the conclusion that certain personality types are much more likely to get divorced than others.

Before contemplating marriage I think I'd read every good book available on the subject before taking the plunge.

Any suggestions?

 
GordonGekko said:
GordonGekko said:
I'd say about 1 percent of all relationships work out in the real world. Married or otherwise.
Hi gordon,1 percent of all relationships work out? You really think that?How are you defining "relationship"? And "work out"?J
One of my businesses deals directly with divorce. I've seen it all. There are times I wish I didn't. Now that extra viewpoint doesn't make me any smarter or any more saavy than anyone else here regarding this subject, but I can say I have some first hand right in the trenches frontcourt seats to what a divorce can really do to the average guy. It's not pretty. It's savage. It's watching two people get into a trainwreck with their souls. Giving a full one percent is actually kind of generous in my view. Here's the truth. It's undeniable. All relationships end badly. You either have them blow up on you in the garden variety real life kind of way or you find that one special person and you grow old together and one of you has to die first. What would you consider worse? Having a string of unhealthy crappy relationships that went nowhere in your life? Or finding the true love of your life and watching her life slip away and living past her death for another twenty years?
Please. Two people marry and live happily for 50 years and because both don't die at the exact same time and leave the relationship "together", that qualifies as "ending badly" in your opinion?Good fishing here. :unsure:J
I actually agree with Joe here. My great grandmother lived 25 years longer than my grandfather and was a very happy person for those remaining years. Is that the exception to the rule? :thumbup:I'm not an expert on the subject but I think there are probably ways one can prepare for "the end."
 
We've been living together for the past 2 years. We share an apartment.We actually just got into a fight last night and it seems like we get into a good fight every 2 weeks or so. I've always been a little reluctant about breaking it off because I'm a little more financial stable since I'm out of school and I worry how she's going to pay the rent by herself. But the more I think about it, that's not a good reason to stay in a relationship that neither one of us are that happy in.No big plans on how I'm going to end it. I work Saturday morning and then have off Saturday afternoon and all day Sunday. I guess sometime Friday or Saturday I'll tell her and be on my way. It does suck because you get in a comfortable routine and setting living together, but I guess it's for the best sometimes.
I know what you're saying man. I hear ya.I have the added bonus of both of us living in a foreign country.I'm gonna have to give this a lot of thought in the near future.
 

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