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DNC Leaks...official thread (1 Viewer)

tommyboy said:
question.   What difference does it make who hacked it?    Other than just to divert attention from the content of the emails?
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The DNC may be saying that the Russian hackers actually wrote all of the emails too.  :conspiracy:    

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
People acting aghast at the DNC supporting candidates one way or another: the DNC isn't some independent agency. By definition, people within that organization are going to support Democrats. Sometimes one over another. Oh, the outrage!

I already posted that people don't like to have candidates decided before the votes are cast. So if you're a democrat who supported someone other than Hillary, I hear ya. If you're not, get out of town with the "oh my gosh" moment.
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The substantial difference is, there was little dispute or denial about the contentiousness between the party cornerstone and Trump, Preibus himself attacked him repeatedly.

DWS said nothing to see here, Bernie bros are conspiracy fools, we want a great balanced race and we got to peak behind the curtain. 

I wouldn't look past the attacking of his faith, we know that kind of stuff will come from the opposition, it shouldn't come from your own party to plot such things.

If there was an email chain like that unearthed from the RNC, Dems would raise money on that for the next two decades.

 
"Butts" shows up twice in these emails.

"#####" shows up once

"****" shows up 173 times

"Penis" shows up 6 times

"Shillary" shows up 4 times

 
George Jefferson Airplane said:
When the breach of the DNC servers first happened, Russia was suspected.  This was weeks ago, before any DNC Chairman emails were released.

 Anyone not giving it some consideration is an ignorant, strident Hillary hater unwilling to move their obtuse world views.  No one is saying the RNC used Russian as an attack dog here, wake up. 
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So your position is the Russian government did this and put this information forth?  Or are we painting all Russians with a broad brush like we are cautioned not to do with Muslims?

 
Sinn Fein said:
tommyboy said:
question.   What difference does it make who hacked it?    Other than just to divert attention from the content of the emails?
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Real answer:  It doesn't

DNC Answer: Russia hacked us to make us look bad, and to influence American politics - thus, you can clearly not drink the wine in front of Trump
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sure it matters trump said he might not come to natos defense who do you think was listening real hard to that and who would love to see nato get declawed russia that to me is pretty damned scary so hey i know i am dumb and all that but it makes the russia connection matter to little ole me brohans take that to the bank

 
SWC said:
sure it matters trump said he might not come to natos defense who do you think was listening real hard to that and who would love to see nato get declawed russia that to me is pretty damned scary so hey i know i am dumb and all that but it makes the russia connection matter to little ole me brohans take that to the bank
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That's one way to brohan it

 
George Jefferson Airplane said:
You're the one painting it with a broad brush calling it a wag the dog affair.  Why don't you wait to see what the findings actually are? 
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Because the talking points of the day are very clearly a coordinated effort, from her campaign chair on down, to push a Russian connection and a proxy connection to Trump.  It ignores the substance of the revelations, it ignores or sidesteps or MISDIRECTS questions about DWS resignation, which, if we ACTUALLY thought this was a Russian plot, as being speculated by not just bloggers but people directly involved in the convention, with the party, wouldn't you fight to stay? 

As for the findings, how long a window should I wait for here? 

I find it staggering to believe that the DNC servers would have been breached but her personal server was not, yet I was assured in that instance that no such breach occurred.

 
Smack Tripper said:
Because the talking points of the day are very clearly a coordinated effort, from her campaign chair on down, to push a Russian connection and a proxy connection to Trump.  It ignores the substance of the revelations, it ignores or sidesteps or MISDIRECTS questions about DWS resignation, which, if we ACTUALLY thought this was a Russian plot, as being speculated by not just bloggers but people directly involved in the convention, with the party, wouldn't you fight to stay? 

As for the findings, how long a window should I wait for here? 

I find it staggering to believe that the DNC servers would have been breached but her personal server was not, yet I was assured in that instance that no such breach occurred.
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Every single news outlet I've watched today has talked way more about the DNC chair stepping down and the hacking as a sidebar.  Where are you getting your info today?  Imarightwinghack.com? 

And you can wait as long as you like, wouldn't make a difference anyway.  You're going to twist the story to your liking one way or the other.  :thumbup:  

 
Sinn Fein said:
interview with Assange - goto 17 minute mark
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On Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton:

JULIAN ASSANGE: Well, you’re asking me, do I prefer cholera or gonorrhea? Personally, I would prefer neither. Look, I think—you know, we know how politics works in the United States. Whoever—whatever political party gets into government is going to merge with the bureaucracy pretty damn fast. It will be in a position where it has some levers in its hand. And so, as a result, corporate lobbyists will move in to help control those levers. So it doesn’t make much difference in the end. What does make a difference is political accountability, a general deterrence set to stop political organizations behaving in a corrupt manner. That can make a difference, because that changes the perception of what you can do or not do. And so, always—well, almost always, you should choose the principled position, which is to set a disciplinary signal about acting in a corrupt way, and take a philosophical position, which is our institutions can only be as good as our understanding of our institutions.

 
Republicans hand the presidency on a solid gold plate and the democrats are proving to be incapable of simply taking it.  Unbelievable.

 
David Dodds said:
I don't understand the question.  30 states were still to vote.  Bernie was drawing tons of new voters into the process.  The DNC should have been happy seeing the big turnouts and let the best person win.  That's what a democracy is.
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dutch said:
The DNC wanted the Democrat candidate best able to win the general election to head it's ticket.  That is where the calculus begins and ends for the party.  Tipping the scale in Bernie's favor by allowing the outsider to contest on it's behalf fails the lifelong democrats.
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This is such BS.  They wanted someone that would tow the company line and someone who Wall Street could control. 

 
George Jefferson Airplane said:
Every single news outlet I've watched today has talked way more about the DNC chair stepping down and the hacking as a sidebar.  Where are you getting your info today?  Imarightwinghack.com? 

And you can wait as long as you like, wouldn't make a difference anyway.  You're going to twist the story to your liking one way or the other.  :thumbup:  
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/24/politics/robby-mook-russia-dnc-emails-trump/

do you think this guy is off the reservation with these remarks or is CNN is a right wing blog to you?

 
George Jefferson Airplane said:
Every single news outlet I've watched today has talked way more about the DNC chair stepping down and the hacking as a sidebar.  Where are you getting your info today?  Imarightwinghack.com? 

And you can wait as long as you like, wouldn't make a difference anyway.  You're going to twist the story to your liking one way or the other.  :thumbup:  
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i may be wrong but i don't think smack tripper is a conservative republican

 
George Jefferson Airplane said:
This is one article and it's not even on the main CNN page.  You're making it sound like the media is dedicated TV time and web space to this, which they aren't. But please continue to ramp up the hyperbole. 
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C'mon man. You're back pedaling pretty hard here and not coming out looking great. You made a snarky comment about where he got his news, and when he provides a cnn link, you attack where it is on the website. Just stop. 

 
George Jefferson Airplane said:
This is one article and it's not even on the main CNN page.  You're making it sound like the media is dedicated TV time and web space to this, which they aren't. But please continue to ramp up the hyperbole. 
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Only because I was reading this article just a bit ago...

WikiLeaks fires off warning to MSNBC host (The Hill)

WikiLeaks on Monday issued a warning to MSNBC's Joy-Ann Reid after she teased a segment on her program about an "affinity" between the website, GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump and Russia.




Joy Reid 


 
✔@JoyAnnReid



Tomorrow on #AMJoy we'll explore the unprecedented affinity between an American presidential candidate - Trump - Russia and Wilileaks.







 
 Follow


WikiLeaks 


 
✔@wikileaks



@JoyAnnReid You are pushing a discredited conspiracy theory. There is no affinity, whatsoever. Our lawyers will monitor your program.


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Baloney Sandwich said:
“The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because…the cold war’s been over for 20 years.”  - President Obama October 2012
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This is one thing Romney was right about. Russia has been aggresive and adversarial in every way these last few years. 

Im not so sure they had anything to do with this leak, but Trump's rhetoric related to Russia and Nato when combined with his campaign's connections with Putin is a little worrisome. 

 
I wasn't going to bother with this next bit since, obv, SHE'S A WITCH, but since someone else took the time to write it up so well I figured I'd post it anyhow...

Being an honorary chair of a campaign—a position that involves no responsibilities, no employees, no budget, and no duties—is not a promotion from being chair of the DNC.

Being an honorary chair does not mean that Debbie Wasserman Schultz is “in charge of” Hillary Clinton’s campaign. It doesn’t mean anything. That is, unless you think President Obama’s 2012 campaign was run by actress Eva Longoria; or former Republican Senator Lincoln Chafee; or high school guidance counselor Loretta Harper—all of whom were among 24 people who served as honorary co-chairs of Obama’s 2012 campaign.

Being an honorary chair is not a job. It’s a courtesy. It’s the associate producer of politics. It’s an empty title handed out to help ease Debbie Wasserman Schultz out of her chair and make it slightly more palatable for her to leave a job she’d done (badly) for five years without putting up a fuss.

It’s a face-saving sop.
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George Jefferson Airplane said:
This is one article and it's not even on the main CNN page.  You're making it sound like the media is dedicated TV time and web space to this, which they aren't. But please continue to ramp up the hyperbole. 
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You have annectdotally asserted that what I saw on television didn't exist. When I offered support, in the way of the closest commenting person to Clinton, you parse about placement. Troll elsewhere with this dollar store Tim act. 

 
Joe Summer said:
In theory, all you need is one electoral vote for someone besides Clinton or Trump. The House gets to choose from the top 3.

Utah is usually a pretty wacky state. They would be open to picking a non-Clinton/Trump candidate. Plus you've got Maine and Nebraska, which allocate electors by district. So, in theory you would just need to focus all of your attention on one area, and win the elector from that district.

You've also got the possibility of a Faithless Elector going rogue and picking Gary Johnson or whoever.
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Right, the House only picks from the top three.  They can't pick some establishment Republican because none will even be on the ballot.

 
Joe Summer said:
I'm generally a fan of what WikiLeaks has done, although this story is a bit disturbing:

WikiLeaks reveals anti-Semitic side
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Wikileaks, however, is one of the few organizations with kind words about Lukashenka – which, given the awful record of the Belarusian KGB against the press and dissidents is an odd position for an “anti-secrecy” group to take – and here’s where things get interesting. The key figure in all this is Israel Shamir, who is one of the oddest and shadiest characters you’d ever want to meet. Importantly, he’s been telling everyone for years that he’s the Wikileaks representative for Russia and Belarus. He has gone to bat for the latter country and has been involved in discrediting Belarusian dissidents – which, given how badly Minsk treats such people, is no trivial matter.

So who is Israel Shamir? That’s not an easy question to answer with much certainty. His official biography states that he was born in the Soviet Union in 1947 and emigrated to Israel in 1969, but little of his curriculum vitae stands up to detailed scrutiny. He admits to having something like a half-dozen different identities, complete with aliases. Of greatest interest here is that, before he became famous for his Wikileaks links, he was best known as a neo-Nazi holocaust denier in European circles. Which is a pretty rare thing for a Jew and Israeli citizen to get mixed up in. Shamir, operating under several names, is noted for his anti-Semitic vitriol and is fond of extolling the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and hanging out with Nordic neo-Nazis. His views are so strange and vehement that many have wondered if Shamir’s is actually an agent provocateur on behalf of some intelligence service. Jewish scholar Norman Finkelstein, known for his own pro-Palestinian views, who crossed paths with Shamir more than once, called him a “maniac,” adding, “He has invented his entire personal history. Nothing he says about himself is true.” In all, Shamir’s a pretty odd choice as Wikileaks’ go-to guy for Russia.

The role of Shamir in Wikileaks, as well as his bizarre views, began to get noticed in late 2010, with an expose in Reason that asked just what was going on here, quoting Shamir as calling Jews “a virus in human form” and boasting of his Holocaust denial. Importantly, that piece had an admission by Kristinn Hrafnsson, Wikileaks spokesman, when asked directly about the group’s links with Shamir:  “Yes. Yes, he is associated with us.”

Not surprisingly, awkward questions followed including in The Guardian, not exactly a right-wing rag. Reports followed – all links here are to The Guardian, which given that newspaper’s current involvement with the Snowden case should indicate something – that Shamir, is indeed deeply involved in the Wikileaks operation: As “Adam,” Shamir (along with his Swedish son, a well-known anti-Semitic activist), has a key role in Wikileaks decisions, he was the editor of the group’s Russian-related US diplomatic cables that were leaked by PFC Bradley Manning, and perhaps most distastefully, he was involved in a smear campaign against the Swedish women who accused Julian Assange of rape (the reason he remains holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London).
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https://20committee.com/2013/07/06/wikileaks-snowden-and-the-belarus-connection/

 
After seeing the video of DWS trainwreck this morning, I am a little disappointed she won't be opening the convention tonight.  That would be awesome.

 
Adding George Jefferson Airplane to the "most likely to end up coming unhinged and having to speak to a professional" as a result of these DNS Leaks (and the even more damning ones coming soon) 

 
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