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Are any of you currently using AI paid versions? What’s the coolest thing you can do with them? How much do they cost a month? is there anything I can feed a piece of paper and say “do this”?
 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Are any of you currently using AI paid versions? What’s the coolest thing you can do with them? How much do they cost a month? is there anything I can feed a piece of paper and say “do this”?
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I never used anything until the first version of Grok became free a few weeks ago. Grok will do what you ask. It's not perfect, particularly for niche stuff, for example if I ask it to describe my Twitch channel it thinks I'm French, but generally it's not bad
 
We have a thread for this. I only mention it because AI is going to change the world like nothing ever. That thread should be 100 pages. I'm currently paying $20 a month for Claude. I've purchased a couple tools that made a couple projects easier. I recommend Gemini. On a free 30 day trial atm and $20 a month after that. I'll probably switch. It's Google. I have tons of stuff in Google docs. I have a Pixel phone and Google smart home stuff, so Google AI will probably be more useful than Anthropic (Claude).

Projects? Sure. I'm retired, single, bored, lonely, fascinated and could always use more money. I vetted about 50 "make money with AI" youtube videos. I did a few of them that made sense and seemed easy enough for an old tech challenged fart like me. I'm not discussing them here. I'll make 3-4k this month with little effort. This is month 5 and it was peanuts at first. It's cheesy content generation and affiliate links. I mentioned in the other thread I had AI write a bunch of book reviews. Posted them on 40 different sites with the link to a free audible sign up. Someone uses the link, I get $15 from Amazon. Planning which books to review was just about letting AI seek the best ones for getting attention. 50 reviews were done in a couple hours. I edited them to make them sound human. A tool I found posted them everywhere. Passive income. I could start now and have 50 more up in a couple hours or tomorrow if I edit them.

I wrote a novel in the 90s about weather modification. My dad's career. I had access to once top secret classified research he did and turned it into fiction. Even had an agent shop it, but nada. So I'm letting AI re-write it with 30 years of advancement and fool's thinking we can actually control the weather for political purposes. It's kind of a hot topic if you want some laughs.

I've taught myself to play guitar a little. I've used a keyboard with Ableton and Mixcraft for a few years. Those are daws if you don't know. Digital audio workstations. I like making my own music. Trying not making. I have a concept album in mind about AI killing us all. It's fun and my kid loves a couple of the songs. AI is way better at writing novels and making music than me. Incredible vocals, btw.

I use it for search instead of Google. I use it to speak better Spanish. I use it alot.
 
Chaos34 said:
Projects? Sure. I'm retired, single, bored, lonely, fascinated and could always use more money. I vetted about 50 "make money with AI" youtube videos. I did a few of them that made sense and seemed easy enough for an old tech challenged fart like me. I'm not discussing them here. I'll make 3-4k this month with little effort. This is month 5 and it was peanuts at first. It's cheesy content generation and affiliate links. I mentioned in the other thread I had AI write a bunch of book reviews. Posted them on 40 different sites with the link to a free audible sign up. Someone uses the link, I get $15 from Amazon. Planning which books to review was just about letting AI seek the best ones for getting attention. 50 reviews were done in a couple hours. I edited them to make them sound human. A tool I found posted them everywhere. Passive income. I could start now and have 50 more up in a couple hours or tomorrow if I edit them.
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This is ruining the internet. Trying to get a review on any topic is just a crapshoot anymore and is getting much worse very quick due to these tools.

SEO turned the internet into garbage, but AI is lighting it on fire.
 
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MTskibum said:
This is ruining the internet.
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it's gross. I'm embarrassed to share some of it. Dead Internet Theory is happening. If i wasn't hesitant to be that guy, I'm pretty sure I could get this up to 30-40k a month. The book and the music seem more respectable projects.
 
Also, I use it for what I describe as under-reported news. It will usually grab stories from Africa, Asia and South America. Legacy and social media cover the same stuff. I might turn this into a newsletter. They seem to make oddly good money through $2-5 signups. While translators are getting really really good, they still don't catch slang and cultural colloquial stuff in foreign languages. So I used a local AI to train it to do exactly that. There's writing in Mandarin and actually writing like a Mandarin. Maybe the newsletter would get a million subscribers If it speaks everyone's language. :)
 
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Also, I use it for what I describe as under-reported news. It will usually grab stories from Africa, Asia and South America. Legacy and social media cover the same stuff.
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I imagine that the stories it's grabbing from these countries were written by AI as well.
 
Chaos34 said:
We have a thread for this. I only mention it because AI is going to change the world like nothing ever. That thread should be 100 pages. I'm currently paying $20 a month for Claude. I've purchased a couple tools that made a couple projects easier. I recommend Gemini. On a free 30 day trial atm and $20 a month after that. I'll probably switch. It's Google. I have tons of stuff in Google docs. I have a Pixel phone and Google smart home stuff, so Google AI will probably be more useful than Anthropic (Claude).

Projects? Sure. I'm retired, single, bored, lonely, fascinated and could always use more money. I vetted about 50 "make money with AI" youtube videos. I did a few of them that made sense and seemed easy enough for an old tech challenged fart like me. I'm not discussing them here. I'll make 3-4k this month with little effort. This is month 5 and it was peanuts at first. It's cheesy content generation and affiliate links. I mentioned in the other thread I had AI write a bunch of book reviews. Posted them on 40 different sites with the link to a free audible sign up. Someone uses the link, I get $15 from Amazon. Planning which books to review was just about letting AI seek the best ones for getting attention. 50 reviews were done in a couple hours. I edited them to make them sound human. A tool I found posted them everywhere. Passive income. I could start now and have 50 more up in a couple hours or tomorrow if I edit them.

I wrote a novel in the 90s about weather modification. My dad's career. I had access to once top secret classified research he did and turned it into fiction. Even had an agent shop it, but nada. So I'm letting AI re-write it with 30 years of advancement and fool's thinking we can actually control the weather for political purposes. It's kind of a hot topic if you want some laughs.

I've taught myself to play guitar a little. I've used a keyboard with Ableton and Mixcraft for a few years. Those are daws if you don't know. Digital audio workstations. I like making my own music. Trying not making. I have a concept album in mind about AI killing us all. It's fun and my kid loves a couple of the songs. AI is way better at writing novels and making music than me. Incredible vocals, btw.

I use it for search instead of Google. I use it to speak better Spanish. I use it alot.
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Thanks. Which thread is it?
 
I use the pro version of ChatGPT. The $20/mo version, not the enterprise version that's like $299/mo.

I use it for all kinds of stuff for work (property management). For writing listing descriptions for the properties, photo captions, etc. I also use it to help me name properties because I'm not super creative. For instance it came up with "Hyperspace Hideaway".

When I'm hiring people I use it to help come up with a list of interview questions and things to look for.

At home I use it for all kinds of stuff. The most common is simple search, which I like better than "googling" stuff now. I like that they've come up with searchgpt.com as a quicker shortcut to enter a search prompt.

It's also my new go-to when I need to figure out how to do something, most commonly with software. IE instead of googling "how do I make a non-scrollable header row in google sheets" and sifting through results or youtube videos with 4 minutes of fluff at the beginning, I just ask chatgpt. It's wordy by default but you can just tell it to be succinct and it's much faster than googling or going to youtube. In fact I've mentioned in the stock thread that I think people are overlooking this as a major competitor to google's core business as I could definitely see a future 10 years from now where traditional search is a rarity.
 
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Chaos34 said:
We have a thread for this. I only mention it because AI is going to change the world like nothing ever. That thread should be 100 pages. I'm currently paying $20 a month for Claude. I've purchased a couple tools that made a couple projects easier. I recommend Gemini. On a free 30 day trial atm and $20 a month after that. I'll probably switch. It's Google. I have tons of stuff in Google docs. I have a Pixel phone and Google smart home stuff, so Google AI will probably be more useful than Anthropic (Claude).

Projects? Sure. I'm retired, single, bored, lonely, fascinated and could always use more money. I vetted about 50 "make money with AI" youtube videos. I did a few of them that made sense and seemed easy enough for an old tech challenged fart like me. I'm not discussing them here. I'll make 3-4k this month with little effort. This is month 5 and it was peanuts at first. It's cheesy content generation and affiliate links. I mentioned in the other thread I had AI write a bunch of book reviews. Posted them on 40 different sites with the link to a free audible sign up. Someone uses the link, I get $15 from Amazon. Planning which books to review was just about letting AI seek the best ones for getting attention. 50 reviews were done in a couple hours. I edited them to make them sound human. A tool I found posted them everywhere. Passive income. I could start now and have 50 more up in a couple hours or tomorrow if I edit them.

I wrote a novel in the 90s about weather modification. My dad's career. I had access to once top secret classified research he did and turned it into fiction. Even had an agent shop it, but nada. So I'm letting AI re-write it with 30 years of advancement and fool's thinking we can actually control the weather for political purposes. It's kind of a hot topic if you want some laughs.

I've taught myself to play guitar a little. I've used a keyboard with Ableton and Mixcraft for a few years. Those are daws if you don't know. Digital audio workstations. I like making my own music. Trying not making. I have a concept album in mind about AI killing us all. It's fun and my kid loves a couple of the songs. AI is way better at writing novels and making music than me. Incredible vocals, btw.

I use it for search instead of Google. I use it to speak better Spanish. I use it alot.
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The bold sounds like exactly what I've been thinking about looking into, but haven't yet, but focused on just a couple of topics. I was thinking of using it to write reviews of books I've actually read or listened to, so that I can more accurately edit them. That would obviously limit scale. But I'm trying to find a way to generate a few grand a month to help subsidize an early retirement.

Were you able to feed AI writing you've done to get it more in your voice? I keep thinking between a bunch of old race reports on a blog that I've written and a few thousand posts here, there's enough I could feed it to make it sound more like me.
 
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Chaos34 said:
We have a thread for this. I only mention it because AI is going to change the world like nothing ever. That thread should be 100 pages. I'm currently paying $20 a month for Claude. I've purchased a couple tools that made a couple projects easier. I recommend Gemini. On a free 30 day trial atm and $20 a month after that. I'll probably switch. It's Google. I have tons of stuff in Google docs. I have a Pixel phone and Google smart home stuff, so Google AI will probably be more useful than Anthropic (Claude).

Projects? Sure. I'm retired, single, bored, lonely, fascinated and could always use more money. I vetted about 50 "make money with AI" youtube videos. I did a few of them that made sense and seemed easy enough for an old tech challenged fart like me. I'm not discussing them here. I'll make 3-4k this month with little effort. This is month 5 and it was peanuts at first. It's cheesy content generation and affiliate links. I mentioned in the other thread I had AI write a bunch of book reviews. Posted them on 40 different sites with the link to a free audible sign up. Someone uses the link, I get $15 from Amazon. Planning which books to review was just about letting AI seek the best ones for getting attention. 50 reviews were done in a couple hours. I edited them to make them sound human. A tool I found posted them everywhere. Passive income. I could start now and have 50 more up in a couple hours or tomorrow if I edit them.

I wrote a novel in the 90s about weather modification. My dad's career. I had access to once top secret classified research he did and turned it into fiction. Even had an agent shop it, but nada. So I'm letting AI re-write it with 30 years of advancement and fool's thinking we can actually control the weather for political purposes. It's kind of a hot topic if you want some laughs.

I've taught myself to play guitar a little. I've used a keyboard with Ableton and Mixcraft for a few years. Those are daws if you don't know. Digital audio workstations. I like making my own music. Trying not making. I have a concept album in mind about AI killing us all. It's fun and my kid loves a couple of the songs. AI is way better at writing novels and making music than me. Incredible vocals, btw.

I use it for search instead of Google. I use it to speak better Spanish. I use it alot.
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Thanks. Which thread is it?
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I know we have a ChatGPT thread, but this space is moving at warp speed right now, so I think it's time to launch a general AI thread for news, tools, links, etc. I have run across some unbelievable tools thus far and I think we are just scratching the surface. IMHO, I feel like this is the beginning of a movement something like when the internet was born.

To kick the thread off, (and there are many other sources of this if you want to Google, or ask an AI bot), this is an alleged leaked document from a Google employee, which is internal discussions that are talking, basically, about how...
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Chaos34 said:
We have a thread for this. I only mention it because AI is going to change the world like nothing ever. That thread should be 100 pages. I'm currently paying $20 a month for Claude. I've purchased a couple tools that made a couple projects easier. I recommend Gemini. On a free 30 day trial atm and $20 a month after that. I'll probably switch. It's Google. I have tons of stuff in Google docs. I have a Pixel phone and Google smart home stuff, so Google AI will probably be more useful than Anthropic (Claude).

Projects? Sure. I'm retired, single, bored, lonely, fascinated and could always use more money. I vetted about 50 "make money with AI" youtube videos. I did a few of them that made sense and seemed easy enough for an old tech challenged fart like me. I'm not discussing them here. I'll make 3-4k this month with little effort. This is month 5 and it was peanuts at first. It's cheesy content generation and affiliate links. I mentioned in the other thread I had AI write a bunch of book reviews. Posted them on 40 different sites with the link to a free audible sign up. Someone uses the link, I get $15 from Amazon. Planning which books to review was just about letting AI seek the best ones for getting attention. 50 reviews were done in a couple hours. I edited them to make them sound human. A tool I found posted them everywhere. Passive income. I could start now and have 50 more up in a couple hours or tomorrow if I edit them.

I wrote a novel in the 90s about weather modification. My dad's career. I had access to once top secret classified research he did and turned it into fiction. Even had an agent shop it, but nada. So I'm letting AI re-write it with 30 years of advancement and fool's thinking we can actually control the weather for political purposes. It's kind of a hot topic if you want some laughs.

I've taught myself to play guitar a little. I've used a keyboard with Ableton and Mixcraft for a few years. Those are daws if you don't know. Digital audio workstations. I like making my own music. Trying not making. I have a concept album in mind about AI killing us all. It's fun and my kid loves a couple of the songs. AI is way better at writing novels and making music than me. Incredible vocals, btw.

I use it for search instead of Google. I use it to speak better Spanish. I use it alot.
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In my personal experience I find Gemini to be way behind. I tried to make it work for the same reasons (android phone, google workspace for my business, heavy use of google docs, even google home at home) but I usually found I got worse results from it.

Regarding the editing to make it sound more human part, you consider checking out Jasper if you want to save more time. It's more language/linguistic focused and the most natural sounding. It's less knowledgeable but you can, for instance, take the output you get from Claude and run it through Jasper with instructions to make it more human sounding and it will usually do a really good job (maybe I should have had AI write this reply for me and include an affiliate link for Jasper :P). Or, not sure if Claude works the same way, but I can usually get decent results from ChatGPT by just telling it to re-write its output in a more human manner, or even better results if I describe the persona of the human it should be writing as. Stock Chatgpt is VERY easy to recognize but I can usually get it done well enough without having to go to Jasper by just massaging it a bit. My go-to is some form of "witty" because most people associate that with human.
 
SFBayDuck said:
Were you able to feed AI writing you've done to get it more in your voice? I keep thinking between a bunch of old race reports on a blog that I've written and a few thousand posts here, there's enough I could feed it to make it sound more like me.
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No. It spewed out monotone outlines that were very thorough and a bit long. I added my voice. Gave them some color. Deleted more than I added. Sold the Audible content and the narrator. You can however prompt it to write in a style. "Review Steven Pinker's How the Mind Works. Write in the style of David Foster Wallace." It'll be better than if you didn't ask.
 
FreeBaGeL said:
I find Gemini to be way behind
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For the under-reported news ChatGPT does what I want by far the best. It's automatic. Claude needs better prompts to find what I'm looking for. GPT seems more intuitive. Gemini is like arguing with a confused teenager, but I have faith it will catch up.
 
I’ve used the free version of ChatGPT, which has been version 3.5 …but I believe that is or has transitioned to version 4.0 now that version 5.0 is being rolled out (with the monthly fee). The newer versions have a more expanded universe, but the free versions just fine and are very useful. I’ve used it to help generate some content for data sets for technology training in accounting courses I teach (e.g., “give me a list of 250 small U.S. cities with state and zip code”).

For fun, I’ve used it to write short adventure stories featuring my grandsons. I tell it the type of adventure (e.g., a trip to outer space and meeting a friendly alien who helps them return home), the reading level, and the word length, and it quickly spits out a neat story that the boys really enjoy.
 
MTskibum said:
Chaos34 said:
Projects? Sure. I'm retired, single, bored, lonely, fascinated and could always use more money. I vetted about 50 "make money with AI" youtube videos. I did a few of them that made sense and seemed easy enough for an old tech challenged fart like me. I'm not discussing them here. I'll make 3-4k this month with little effort. This is month 5 and it was peanuts at first. It's cheesy content generation and affiliate links. I mentioned in the other thread I had AI write a bunch of book reviews. Posted them on 40 different sites with the link to a free audible sign up. Someone uses the link, I get $15 from Amazon. Planning which books to review was just about letting AI seek the best ones for getting attention. 50 reviews were done in a couple hours. I edited them to make them sound human. A tool I found posted them everywhere. Passive income. I could start now and have 50 more up in a couple hours or tomorrow if I edit them.
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This is ruining the internet. Trying to get a review on any topic is just a crapshoot anymore and is getting much worse very quick due to these tools.

SEO turned the internet into garbage, but AI is lighting it on fire.
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Yeah like I’m glad he’s making extra money I guess but I dislike everything about what he posted.
 
kupcho1 said:
Chaos34 said:
Also, I use it for what I describe as under-reported news. It will usually grab stories from Africa, Asia and South America. Legacy and social media cover the same stuff.
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I imagine that the stories it's grabbing from these countries were written by AI as well.
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Yes eventually AI will outpace actual content and the AI will be suing AI to make their new AI. That will either make distinguishing between real and fake nearly impossible or the AI will become so bad like when we make copies of a copy of a copy of a copy.
 
I use AI in my class sometimes for real simple dumb things like

Write 10 single step equations so I can copy them to a worksheet or throw up on the board or the kids just think it’s a little more interesting to see if they can “beat the computer”

Or I have a high school class for kids with ASD and CI who aren’t working towards a diploma so I’ll need a simple article and might say “write an article on the problems of pollution at a 1st grade level”. It saves me a few minutes of having to type up a very generic basic thing myself or lets me create unique readings for each kid based on their interest. I don’t know anything about Pokémon but can give them a little paragraph to read about it written at an extremely basic level.
 
NotebookLM is getting rave reviews as well. I'm getting ready to do some work in there later this month.
 
Lots of creative types at my company use Midjourney for AI images. Strange that it runs via a Discord and I don't pay so have not tried it, but you can see other's results and they look impressive.
 
We use it at work for a few items, and I use it personally the more I've been learning it. An example it started with for us was building something like brand guidelines as a long document (say 80 pages) and then some new asset gets produced (pamphlet, website, dashboard, etc.) and you can ask the bot that the UX team built if it complies with brand standards. Within seconds that thing is scanned and graded and we can even tell the bot how to behave in response and/or make recommendations of what could improve it to be better in aligment.

AI is great for repetitive tasks where instructions can be fed and understood. I use it to help me personally meal plan because I can just feed it any variables I want and it'll adhere because it is responding to direct entry (I.e. Plan me X dinners, make them 30 mins or less to prepare, and have the protein value in them exceed 50 g per serving or whatever)

AI also helps narrow down what traditional search was invented for. Traditional search uses keywords vs. ai using "intent." That also helps where if I just want "the answer" I don't really want to Google something, hope amongst the 50,000 returned pages that the answer I'm looking for is buried in there, etc. AI can just give me one answer or the best answer or also give me feedback on what it thinks I meant and some alternatives. Lately I was hacking away at some awful Excel/Google Sheets formula and I just made the AI figure it out and it worked pretty easily after the first try or two vs. me spending a while trying to figure it out myself.
 
FreeBaGeL said:
I use the pro version of ChatGPT. The $20/mo version, not the enterprise version that's like $299/mo.

I use it for all kinds of stuff for work (property management). For writing listing descriptions for the properties, photo captions, etc. I also use it to help me name properties because I'm not super creative. For instance it came up with "Hyperspace Hideaway".

When I'm hiring people I use it to help come up with a list of interview questions and things to look for.

At home I use it for all kinds of stuff. The most common is simple search, which I like better than "googling" stuff now. I like that they've come up with searchgpt.com as a quicker shortcut to enter a search prompt.

It's also my new go-to when I need to figure out how to do something, most commonly with software. IE instead of googling "how do I make a non-scrollable header row in google sheets" and sifting through results or youtube videos with 4 minutes of fluff at the beginning, I just ask chatgpt. It's wordy by default but you can just tell it to be succinct and it's much faster than googling or going to youtube. In fact I've mentioned in the stock thread that I think people are overlooking this as a major competitor to google's core business as I could definitely see a future 10 years from now where traditional search is a rarity.
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what is it giving you over the free version, other than increased access? (which has never been a problem for me)
 
I have the pro version of Gemini... I pretty much just use it to set reminders and turn lights off :bag:
 
My boss just told me to use DeepSeek for a special project. Looks like it is free for now...but holy cow...this thing is incredible. It's hosted in china FWIW.
 
I know with the paid version of ChatGPT that you can upload documents like spreadsheets and Word documents and have it do analysis on the data. It's really quite something. There are "plug-in" your applications that can create PowerPoints for you from typed out documents.

I'd recommend taking some LinkedIn or Coursera classes on prompt engineering even if to just dabble in what's possible.
 
Was bored and playing worked with ChatGPT and got into an area im pretty knowledgeable about. Became quickly apparent how shaky it was. 90% of what it did was reasonable but lots of big mistakes too. I was just curiously asking it with hindsight which movies should have won the best picture Oscar in various years. Seems like a pretty simple task for it to list the actual winner and a replacement winner with a little explanation. There were some big errors

- when asked about the 1920s, it listed an actually Oscar winner for every year even though the first Oscar was given in 1929. It said The Third Man should have won in 1945 and 1949. Said The Bells of St Mary won, it didn’t. Said Casablanca should have won but didn’t. It did win Best Picture. Said The Graduate won Best Picture, it didn’t. It said La La Land was the actual winner but then noted it was mistakenly announced as the winner. It didn’t know Oppenheimer won in 2024. There were plenty of other errors but I was genuinely shocked at how bad it was at even just listing every best picture winner since that’s just simple easily searchable non subjective fact.
 
Asked it for 20 books high school students should read. AI must be a big JD Salinger fan because it listed Catcher in the Rye three times lol.

Or just obsessed with him. I asked for a list of the 10 most overrated novels and it listed Catcher in the Rye twice.
 

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AI has so many flaws it is like it is not even intelligent.

There is going to be a reckoning amongst AI companies, and it will be soon.

I was reminded of this issue recently when I asked Gemini to dig up a shipment tracking number from an email—something I do fairly often. It appeared to work just fine, with the robot citing the correct email and spitting out a long string of numbers. I didn't realize anything was amiss until I tried to look up the tracking number. It didn't work in Google's search-based tracker, and going to the US Postal Service website yielded an error.

That's when it dawned on me: The tracking number wasn't a tracking number; it was a confabulation. It was a believable one, too. The number was about the right length, and like all USPS tracking numbers, it started with a nine. I could have looked up the tracking number myself in a fraction of the time it took to root out Gemini's mistake, which is very, very frustrating. Gemini appeared confident that it had completed the task I had given it, but getting mad at the chatbot wouldn't do any good—it can't understand my anger any more than it can understand the nature of my original query.

At this point, I would kill for Assistant's "Sorry, I don't understand."

This is just one of many similar incidents I've had with Gemini over the last year—I can't count how many times Gemini has added calendar events to the wrong day or put incorrect data in a note. In fairness, Gemini usually gets these tasks right, but its mechanical imagination wanders often enough that its utility as an assistant is suspect. Assistant just couldn't do a lot of things, but it didn't waste my time acting like it could. Gemini is more insidious, claiming to have solved my problem when, in fact, it's sending me down a rabbit hole to fix its mistakes. If a human assistant operated like this, I would have to conclude they were incompetent or openly malicious.
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Google’s generative AI is not ready to serve as your virtual assistant.
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AI isn’t ready to replace human coders for debugging, researchers say

Even when given access to tools, AI agents can’t reliably debug software.
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However, those claiming we're mere months away from AI agents replacing most programmers should adjust their expectations because models aren't good enough at the debugging part, and debugging occupies most of a developer's time. That's the suggestion of Microsoft Research, which built a new tool called debug-gym to test and improve how AI models can debug software.
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This approach is much more successful than relying on the models as they're usually used, but when your best case is a 48.4 percent success rate, you're not ready for primetime.
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MTskibum said:
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AI isn’t ready to replace human coders for debugging, researchers say

Even when given access to tools, AI agents can’t reliably debug software.
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However, those claiming we're mere months away from AI agents replacing most programmers should adjust their expectations because models aren't good enough at the debugging part, and debugging occupies most of a developer's time. That's the suggestion of Microsoft Research, which built a new tool called debug-gym to test and improve how AI models can debug software.
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This approach is much more successful than relying on the models as they're usually used, but when your best case is a 48.4 percent success rate, you're not ready for primetime.
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It's only a matter of time though.

The pace of change only accelerates.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
MTskibum said:
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AI isn’t ready to replace human coders for debugging, researchers say

Even when given access to tools, AI agents can’t reliably debug software.
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However, those claiming we're mere months away from AI agents replacing most programmers should adjust their expectations because models aren't good enough at the debugging part, and debugging occupies most of a developer's time. That's the suggestion of Microsoft Research, which built a new tool called debug-gym to test and improve how AI models can debug software.
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This approach is much more successful than relying on the models as they're usually used, but when your best case is a 48.4 percent success rate, you're not ready for primetime.
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It's only a matter of time though.

The pace of change only accelerates.
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The pace of change has slowed quite a bit, the newer models are not much better than previous models.

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Andy Dufresne said:
MTskibum said:
arstechnica.com

AI isn’t ready to replace human coders for debugging, researchers say

Even when given access to tools, AI agents can’t reliably debug software.
arstechnica.com arstechnica.com


However, those claiming we're mere months away from AI agents replacing most programmers should adjust their expectations because models aren't good enough at the debugging part, and debugging occupies most of a developer's time. That's the suggestion of Microsoft Research, which built a new tool called debug-gym to test and improve how AI models can debug software.
....


This approach is much more successful than relying on the models as they're usually used, but when your best case is a 48.4 percent success rate, you're not ready for primetime.
Click to expand...
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It's only a matter of time though.

The pace of change only accelerates.
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I'd say we are already here. The vibe coding stuff is extremely impressive.

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Cursor: From Idea to App in 15 Minutes (Without Knowing How to Code)

Let's build an app that has 2M users and $1M ARR in 15 minutes
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My boss is incredibly talented product visionary and he's creating and de-bugging and launching applications within just a few days. He's all in on the vibe coding.
 
urbanhack said:
Andy Dufresne said:
MTskibum said:
arstechnica.com

AI isn’t ready to replace human coders for debugging, researchers say

Even when given access to tools, AI agents can’t reliably debug software.
arstechnica.com arstechnica.com


However, those claiming we're mere months away from AI agents replacing most programmers should adjust their expectations because models aren't good enough at the debugging part, and debugging occupies most of a developer's time. That's the suggestion of Microsoft Research, which built a new tool called debug-gym to test and improve how AI models can debug software.
....


This approach is much more successful than relying on the models as they're usually used, but when your best case is a 48.4 percent success rate, you're not ready for primetime.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
It's only a matter of time though.

The pace of change only accelerates.
Click to expand...
I'd say we are already here. The vibe coding stuff is extremely impressive.

creatoreconomy.so

Cursor: From Idea to App in 15 Minutes (Without Knowing How to Code)

Let's build an app that has 2M users and $1M ARR in 15 minutes
creatoreconomy.so creatoreconomy.so

My boss is incredibly talented product visionary and he's creating and de-bugging and launching applications within just a few days. He's all in on the vibe coding.
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Vibe coding introduces too many security risks for companies and creates problems on maintaining that code going forward.

Often times vibe coding just takes the examples that are closest to a solution online rather than trying to determine the best architecture going forward.

One application I manage was built by someone in operations that was not good with programming and even though that application is simple it is the most difficult to add enhancements into it 10 years down the road. This is every application that vibe coders build, just terrible backend code.

Not to mention the security risks you introduce to the application, this may be an acceptable risk to small companies, but hackers are everywhere, you don't want to make it easy on them.

My applications have lifespans in the decades, writing code needs to follow best practices so that the code is easy to modify years or decades later.
 
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