Do "dawn" and "don" rhyme? (2 Viewers)

[Fullback Fro]

Nice Favorites Rude

 

[Thorn]

So, for those who disagree with Rudnicki, do you hear the differences but disagree that he's pronouncing the words correctly, or do you just not hear the difference?

I hear the difference the in the funny way he says them.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Nice Favorites Rude

asian boobs + Kate Bush = bliss

 

[urbanhack]

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Nice Favorites Rude

I'm really on the fence here but I'm leaning towards Rude.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Nice Favorites Rude

 

[GDogg]

Awesome. So, it is the "o" in Don that's the issue.

 

[DaVinci]

Second, what you say as "Don" sounds like you're a kung fu student shouting DON! as he bangs the side of his hand on a piece of wood. I can't imagine that you have any friends named Don anymore.

know how to pronounce "Don".

 

[GDogg]

what people pronounce Mary, merry, and marry differently?

I can't imagine people would pronounce any two of those the same way, let alone all three.

I really can't imagine that you pronounce them as differently as you're implying. They're exactly the same word.

I would never confuse one of those three words with either of the other two. They are clearly three distinct vowel sounds. No one answered my earlier question, maybe you can? When you watch Aaron's video, do you hear the differences but disagree that they are the proper pronunciations, or do you not hear the differences?

The "Don" pronunciation is odd. Of course, I hear the difference he made between Dawn and Don. It is not the way I, or anyone I know, pronounce it, though. The way we pronounce "Don" is very close to the way he pronounced "Dawn."

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

When you watch Aaron's video, do you hear the differences but disagree that they are the proper pronunciations, or do you not hear the differences?

The "Don" pronunciation is odd. Of course, I hear the difference he made between Dawn and Don. It is not the way I, or anyone I know, pronounce it, though. The way we pronounce "Don" is exactly the way he pronounced "Dawn."

That's so weird. I really thought you guys all pronounced "Don" and "Dawn" the same way I'd pronounce "Don." This new development is very unsettling.

 

[GDogg]

When you watch Aaron's video, do you hear the differences but disagree that they are the proper pronunciations, or do you not hear the differences?

The "Don" pronunciation is odd. Of course, I hear the difference he made between Dawn and Don. It is not the way I, or anyone I know, pronounce it, though. The way we pronounce "Don" is exactly the way he pronounced "Dawn."

That's so weird. I really thought you guys all pronounced "Don" and "Dawn" the same way I'd pronounce "Don." This new development is very unsettling.

Yeah, and I edited my post because of the overenunciation of Dawn. The sound is the same I'd make but I'd say the word shorter.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

When you watch Aaron's video, do you hear the differences but disagree that they are the proper pronunciations, or do you not hear the differences?

The "Don" pronunciation is odd. Of course, I hear the difference he made between Dawn and Don. It is not the way I, or anyone I know, pronounce it, though. The way we pronounce "Don" is exactly the way he pronounced "Dawn."

That's so weird. I really thought you guys all pronounced "Don" and "Dawn" the same way I'd pronounce "Don." This new development is very unsettling.

Yeah, and I edited my post because of the overenunciation of Dawn. The sound is the same I'd make but I'd say the word shorter.

I'll have to watch the vid again but I think he was doing that for emphasis. In the normal course of conversation it wouldn't be so dron out.

 

[Radical Larry]

what people pronounce Mary, merry, and marry differently?

I can't imagine people would pronounce any two of those the same way, let alone all three.

Mary and marry = the sameMerry = different, a little upset that wasn't an option.

Mary rhymes with dairy.Marry rhymes with Larry.Merry rhymes with cherry.None of those rhyme with each other.

OK, this has to be shtick. All 6 of those rhyme.

 

[GDogg]

"Don" in Aaron's video not only doesn't sound like "Don" the way I'd pronounce it or like he pronounced "Dawn," but it honestly sounds like a completely different person saying it (and LeBron) than the person who said all the other words (other than LeBron).

 

[GDogg]

When you watch Aaron's video, do you hear the differences but disagree that they are the proper pronunciations, or do you not hear the differences?

The "Don" pronunciation is odd. Of course, I hear the difference he made between Dawn and Don. It is not the way I, or anyone I know, pronounce it, though. The way we pronounce "Don" is exactly the way he pronounced "Dawn."

That's so weird. I really thought you guys all pronounced "Don" and "Dawn" the same way I'd pronounce "Don." This new development is very unsettling.

Yeah, and I edited my post because of the overenunciation of Dawn. The sound is the same I'd make but I'd say the word shorter.

I'll have to watch the vid again but I think he was doing that for emphasis. In the normal course of conversation it wouldn't be so dron out.

I thought so, but we're walking a fine line in this thread, so I wanted to make sure my semi-endorsement of "Dawn," was clear. If it was for emphasis, then his version of "Dawn" is close enough to mine and everyone I've informally polled in my office.

 

[Radical Larry]

@ Don = Dahn!

 

[Radical Larry]

When you watch Aaron's video, do you hear the differences but disagree that they are the proper pronunciations, or do you not hear the differences?

I absolutely hear the differences, and I believe that that accent is wrong.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

what people pronounce Mary, merry, and marry differently?

I can't imagine people would pronounce any two of those the same way, let alone all three.

Mary and marry = the sameMerry = different, a little upset that wasn't an option.

Mary rhymes with dairy.Marry rhymes with Larry.Merry rhymes with cherry.None of those rhyme with each other.

OK, this has to be shtick. All 6 of those rhyme.

Ridiculous. I may have to fire up a video later.

 

[bostonfred]

I'll have to watch the vid again but I think he was doing that for emphasis.

When you pronounce them differently, it always sounds like you're doing it for emphasis.

 

[Doug B]

Just watched Fred's video ... his "Don/Dawn" DOES sound kind of like (but not exactly like) mine and Rude's "Dawn". Fascinating.

What the hell? I figured my Don would sound like your Don, but your Dawn would be the long islandy sounding doe-uhn. That's something I've heard plenty and it sounds terrible. But you're saying that you pronounce dawn and lawn like I do, but pronounce "Don" differently? I'm completely shuked here, no shtick.

The vowel you use for "Don/Dawn" is intermediate between the two I use for "Don" and "Dawn".Hard to do this over the Net, but I do have a sound sample of your speech, so I will propose a voice exercise that can help you place my vowel for "Don":

1 - pronounce your "Don/Dawn". Draw it out to "Daaaaaaaaawn", to last about a solid 5-count or so.

2 - just say the "Don/Dawn" vowel by itself. Draw it out to "Aaaaaaaaaaw ...", to last about a solid 5-count or so.

3 - pronounce "Dan". Draw it out to "Daaaaaaaaan", to last about a solid 5-count or so.

4 - just say the "Dan" vowel by itself. Draw it out to "Aaaaaaaaaa ...", to last about a solid 5-count or so.

The above excercises are meant to get you a kinesthetic sense for "where these vowels are" in your mouth as you pronounce them. Now, for the last steps to get you used to where I produce "Don":

5 - using the vowel in Step 2 above, draw it out to "Aaaaaaaaaaw ...", to last about a solid 5-count or so.

6 - Repeat Step 5 EXCEPT instead of saying "aaaaw" the whole time, slowly move your mouth to the direction of Step 4 (the "Dan" vowel).

7 - Practice Step 6 a few times, and get the "moving drawl" as smooth as you can. It's imperative for you to start with "aw" and end with the vowel in "Dan".

8 - Once your smooth with Step 6, execute another moving drawl -- but this time, stop your mouth movement about halfway (but keep your vowel pronunciation going!). That will be about where the "o" in "Don" is for me.

 

[Doug B]

Mary rhymes with dairy.

Marry rhymes with Larry.

Merry rhymes with cherry.

None of those rhyme with each other.

This will get us another 20 pages In my accent, "Mary" = your "merry". Your "Mary" sounds to me like "May-ree" ... kinda like Jackee Harry on the old TV show 227.

Agreed about "marry", though.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I would also like to hear from someone who pronounces "bag" and "vague" the same way. Every way I try to imagine it sounds ######ed.

 

[Please See Mine]

Mary rhymes with dairy.Marry rhymes with Larry.Merry rhymes with cherry.None of those rhyme with each other.

I agree with all of these statements except the last one.

Ignoratio completely on point.

 

[Fullback Fro]

Just watched Fred's video ... his "Don/Dawn" DOES sound kind of like (but not exactly like) mine and Rude's "Dawn". Fascinating.

What the hell? I figured my Don would sound like your Don, but your Dawn would be the long islandy sounding doe-uhn. That's something I've heard plenty and it sounds terrible. But you're saying that you pronounce dawn and lawn like I do, but pronounce "Don" differently? I'm completely shuked here, no shtick.

The vowel you use for "Don/Dawn" is intermediate between the two I use for "Don" and "Dawn".Hard to do this over the Net, but I do have a sound sample of your speech, so I will propose a voice exercise that can help you place my vowel for "Don":

1 - pronounce your "Don/Dawn". Draw it out to "Daaaaaaaaawn", to last about a solid 5-count or so.

2 - just say the "Don/Dawn" vowel by itself. Draw it out to "Aaaaaaaaaaw ...", to last about a solid 5-count or so.

3 - pronounce "Dan". Draw it out to "Daaaaaaaaan", to last about a solid 5-count or so.

4 - just say the "Dan" vowel by itself. Draw it out to "Aaaaaaaaaa ...", to last about a solid 5-count or so.

The above excercises are meant to get you a kinesthetic sense for "where these vowels are" in your mouth as you pronounce them. Now, for the last steps to get you used to where I produce "Don":

5 - using the vowel in Step 2 above, draw it out to "Aaaaaaaaaaw ...", to last about a solid 5-count or so.

6 - Repeat Step 5 EXCEPT instead of saying "aaaaw" the whole time, slowly move your mouth to the direction of Step 4 (the "Dan" vowel).

7 - Practice Step 6 a few times, and get the "moving drawl" as smooth as you can. It's imperative for you to start with "aw" and end with the vowel in "Dan".

8 - Once your smooth with Step 6, execute another moving drawl -- but this time, stop your mouth movement about halfway (but keep your vowel pronunciation going!). That will be about where the "o" in "Don" is for me.

jesus

 

[FatMax]

Just watched Fred's video ... his "Don/Dawn" DOES sound kind of like (but not exactly like) mine and Rude's "Dawn". Fascinating.

What the hell? I figured my Don would sound like your Don, but your Dawn would be the long islandy sounding doe-uhn. That's something I've heard plenty and it sounds terrible. But you're saying that you pronounce dawn and lawn like I do, but pronounce "Don" differently? I'm completely shuked here, no shtick.

The vowel you use for "Don/Dawn" is intermediate between the two I use for "Don" and "Dawn".Hard to do this over the Net, but I do have a sound sample of your speech, so I will propose a voice exercise that can help you place my vowel for "Don":

1 - pronounce your "Don/Dawn". Draw it out to "Daaaaaaaaawn", to last about a solid 5-count or so.

2 - just say the "Don/Dawn" vowel by itself. Draw it out to "Aaaaaaaaaaw ...", to last about a solid 5-count or so.

3 - pronounce "Dan". Draw it out to "Daaaaaaaaan", to last about a solid 5-count or so.

4 - just say the "Dan" vowel by itself. Draw it out to "Aaaaaaaaaa ...", to last about a solid 5-count or so.

The above excercises are meant to get you a kinesthetic sense for "where these vowels are" in your mouth as you pronounce them. Now, for the last steps to get you used to where I produce "Don":

5 - using the vowel in Step 2 above, draw it out to "Aaaaaaaaaaw ...", to last about a solid 5-count or so.

6 - Repeat Step 5 EXCEPT instead of saying "aaaaw" the whole time, slowly move your mouth to the direction of Step 4 (the "Dan" vowel).

7 - Practice Step 6 a few times, and get the "moving drawl" as smooth as you can. It's imperative for you to start with "aw" and end with the vowel in "Dan".

8 - Once your smooth with Step 6, execute another moving drawl -- but this time, stop your mouth movement about halfway (but keep your vowel pronunciation going!). That will be about where the "o" in "Don" is for me.

That's an awful lot of work just to speak wrong.

 

[Doug B]

We agree on all but "long" -- I use your "LeBron" vowel for "long"

 

[Pickle Rody]

what people pronounce Mary, merry, and marry differently?

I can't imagine people would pronounce any two of those the same way, let alone all three.

Mary and marry = the sameMerry = different, a little upset that wasn't an option.

Mary rhymes with dairy.Marry rhymes with Larry.

Merry rhymes with cherry.

None of those rhyme with each other.

OK, this has to be shtick. All 6 of those rhyme.

Uh....no they don't.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

In my accent, "Mary" = your "merry". Your "Mary" sounds to me like "May-ree" ... kinda like Jackee Harry on the old TV show 227.

 

[Doug B]

That's an awful lot of work just to speak wrong.

It's voice training -- when a British actor works with a voice coach to realistically mimic an American accent, is the actor being taught to "speak wrong"?The steps are spelled out in detail, but if I were sitting in front of Fred to serve as a model, we'd find the target vowel in no more than two minutes. It's not that complicated a thing.

 

[FatMax]

That's an awful lot of work just to speak wrong.

It's voice training -- when a British actor works with a voice coach to realistically mimic an American accent, is the actor being taught to "speak wrong"?

Obviously it depends which part of America we're talking about.

 

[videoguy505]

I would also like to hear from someone who pronounces "bag" and "vague" the same way. Every way I try to imagine it sounds ######ed.

Knew a girl from upstate NY (maybe Utica area?) who did this.

"Bag" was pronounced the exact same way as "beg". First time I heard her do it, I think I mocked her for half an hour.

"What do you spread cream cheese on? A beggle?"

 

[Doug B]

I would also like to hear from someone who pronounces "bag" and "vague" the same way. Every way I try to imagine it sounds ######ed.

I think it's something like "beg" & "vegg" for the accents that make those words sound the same.

 

[Doug B]

That's an awful lot of work just to speak wrong.

It's voice training -- when a British actor works with a voice coach to realistically mimic an American accent, is the actor being taught to "speak wrong"?

Obviously it depends which part of America we're talking about.

It actually doesn't.Who speaks better English? Simon Cowell or Matt Lauer?

 

[FatMax]

Someone needs to step up with another video to show the difference between Merry/Mary/Marry/Cherry/GARRRRY

They're all identical to me.

 

[FatMax]

That's an awful lot of work just to speak wrong.

It's voice training -- when a British actor works with a voice coach to realistically mimic an American accent, is the actor being taught to "speak wrong"?

Obviously it depends which part of America we're talking about.

It actually doesn't.Who speaks better English? Simon Cowell or Matt Lauer?

Whichever one pronounces Dawn and Don the same.

 

[Radical Larry]

That's an awful lot of work just to speak wrong.

It's voice training -- when a British actor works with a voice coach to realistically mimic an American accent, is the actor being taught to "speak wrong"?

Obviously it depends which part of America we're talking about.

It actually doesn't.Who speaks better English? Simon Cowell or Matt Lauer?

Matt Lauer.

 

[Doug B]

Someone needs to step up with another video to show the difference between Merry/Mary/Marry/Cherry/GARRRRY

They're all identical to me.

Here's one, though the speaker is Australian. Her "marry" is different, and her "merry" & "Mary" rhyme (to my ears, anyway).From what I can hear, she pronounces the words like I do. Looking for more vids.

 

[jplvr]

Someone needs to step up with another video to show the difference between Merry/Mary/Marry/Cherry/GARRRRY

They're all identical to me.

Here's one, though the speaker is Australian. Her "marry" is different, and her "merry" & "Mary" rhyme (to my ears, anyway).From what I can hear, she pronounces the words like I do. Looking for more vids.

Even though I hear a difference in how she pronounces those words, I'd still choose a "close" option before saying they did not rhyme.

 

[Doug B]

Another video ... can't tell if she thinks her "Mary" and "merry" are all that different. They're VERY close to my ear. I think I pick up on the slightest hint of something like "mare-ee" when she says "Mary". Ultra-subtle.

Looking for a better one.

 

[Doug B]

Who speaks better English? Simon Cowell or Matt Lauer?

Matt Lauer.

Based on?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Missed me by a lot.

What American accent do you have?

Your Result: The Inland North

You may think you speak "Standard English straight out of the dictionary" but when you step away from the Great Lakes you get asked annoying questions like "Are you from Wisconsin?" or "Are you from Chicago?" Chances are you call carbonated drinks "pop."

_________

Actually, I call it soda, like any sane person would. Just about all of those words were differnet from each other in the questions. Who comes up with them sounding similar the whole way through? Martians?

 

[zander_s]

Your Result: The West

Your accent is the lowest common denominator of American speech. Unless you're a SoCal surfer, no one thinks you have an accent. And really, you may not even be from the West at all, you could easily be from Florida or one of those big Southern cities like Dallas or Atlanta.

Repost of the link for those just checking this out.

http://www.gotoquiz.com/what_american_accent_do_you_have

I was happy to get this same result!

 

[GloryDaze]

I would also like to hear from someone who pronounces "bag" and "vague" the same way. Every way I try to imagine it sounds ######ed.

Grew up in Wisconsin. I still do this, and people still look at me funny. I now know it's not normal, but I don't intend on changing. At least I don't warsh the clothes.

 

[bostonfred]

Let me be clear about a couple things.

First, I'm capable of hearing the difference between different pronunciations of Mary, merry and marry, and I'm aware that they could be pronounced different ways. But if I heard you pronounce what you think is clearly Mary and not merry or marry, I wouldn't know which one you intended, so you're wasting your ####ing time because I don't trust your ability to distinguish between ways of saying nearly identical words enough to make assumptions on the meaning nearly as much as I trust the context. So if you said you were getting married to a girl named Mary in January so this will be your last merry Christmas, I really don't care if you bother to pronounce them differently, and I would make no effort to enunciate them differently just to appease some arbitrary preference from your region that wouldn't even sound right to someone from another region. This is a very good reason for why they are and should just be pronounced the same. It's best for everyone.

Second, if you really think I want to learn to say don and dawn like you guys do, you're completely missing the point. I think Aaron's pronunciation of Dawn - which IS different from mine - is a tragedy rivaled only by Aaron's pronunciation of Don - which is also different from mine - and sounds like he's saying the first names of coaches shula and ditka while proposing a fight between them. Or maybe he's a Blues Brother. In any event, I have no interest in sounding like that, either. These are terrible things that have been done to some of the most basic sounds in the English language.

Third, Doug, dude, you're cooler than this. Be the cool guy you are. Let your hair down.

 

[jplvr]

Missed me by a lot.What American accent do you have?Your Result: The Inland North You may think you speak "Standard English straight out of the dictionary" but when you step away from the Great Lakes you get asked annoying questions like "Are you from Wisconsin?" or "Are you from Chicago?" Chances are you call carbonated drinks "pop."_________Actually, I call it soda, like any sane person would. Just about all of those words were differnet from each other in the questions. Who comes up with them sounding similar the whole way through? Martians?

Soda is what you put in the fridge for odor issues.Pop is what a balloon does when you stick it with a needle.I'm from the South, so there are different versions of coke: Dr Pepper, CocaCola, cocaine, Sprite, etc.Soft drinks is the only acceptable, universal answer, I think.

 

[Doug B]

Second, if you really think I want to learn to say don and dawn like you guys do, you're completely missing the point.

Took this quote to mean you'd appreciate an explanation:

But you're saying that you pronounce dawn and lawn like I do, but pronounce "Don" differently? I'm completely shuked here, no shtick.

No need to stay shuked when I can lay it out for you.

 

[mr. furley]

I would also like to hear from someone who pronounces "bag" and "vague" the same way. Every way I try to imagine it sounds ######ed.

Grew up in Wisconsin. I still do this, and people still look at me funny. I now know it's not normal, but I don't intend on changing.

bag and vague aren't pronounced the same?

 

[Radical Larry]

Missed me by a lot.What American accent do you have?Your Result: The Inland North You may think you speak "Standard English straight out of the dictionary" but when you step away from the Great Lakes you get asked annoying questions like "Are you from Wisconsin?" or "Are you from Chicago?" Chances are you call carbonated drinks "pop."_________Actually, I call it soda, like any sane person would. Just about all of those words were differnet from each other in the questions. Who comes up with them sounding similar the whole way through? Martians?

Soda is what you put in the fridge for odor issues.Pop is what a balloon does when you stick it with a needle.I'm from the South, so there are different versions of coke: Dr Pepper, CocaCola, cocaine, Sprite, etc.Soft drinks is the only acceptable, universal answer, I think.

This issue is a totally different thread.

 

[bostonfred]

Second, if you really think I want to learn to say don and dawn like you guys do, you're completely missing the point.

Took this quote to mean you'd appreciate an explanation:

But you're saying that you pronounce dawn and lawn like I do, but pronounce "Don" differently? I'm completely shuked here, no shtick.

No need to stay shuked when I can lay it out for you.

I got it when I heard Aaron's voice and remembered he was from Chi-caaa-go*. He says Dahn and Doe-un. Pretty much the worst possible combination, although he seems to have lost much of the New Yorkification of his aw's. I appreciate you trying to lay out the difference. I'm just saying I don't feel like it's something I or anyone should try to learn to do unless we were hoping to star in a movie about people with bad accents. * originally from Buffalo**** which chet feels is unnecessarily detailed information

 

[Disco Stu]

Obviously I can hear the difference. It just sounds terrible.