Do "dawn" and "don" rhyme? (1 Viewer)

[Otis]

So, say, hypothetically.....someone doesn't even know where to begin in pronouncing merry, mary & marry differently.

How would you explain the difference?

Merry - VeryMary - Airy

Marry - Larry

Yeah...still the same.

Christ, what is wrong with you people.

We speak English.

Not all of it, apparently.

 

[Otis]

Did you guys have a Mary Christmas?

 

[Otis]

So, say, hypothetically.....someone doesn't even know where to begin in pronouncing merry, mary & marry differently.How would you explain the difference?

You would have to make up a whole bunch of lies since they all sound exactly the same.

You people are dumb

I kept my last name after I got married.

Oh snap.

 

[RudiStein]

Did you guys have a Mary Christmas?

Yes. I sure didn't have a meeeerry or maury one.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Oh snap.

You took hers too?

 

[the moops]

We got divorced. Thanks for bringing up old wounds.

Wait, what?

Not divorced at all. Just seeing if SLB had a heart.

 

[bostonfred]

Did you guys have a Mary Christmas?

Yes. I sure didn't have a meeeerry or maury one.

Murray Christmas, dawwwn.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

We got divorced. Thanks for bringing up old wounds.

Wait, what?

Not divorced at all. Just seeing if SLB had a heart.

As big as a house.I should probably see a doctor or an insurance agent or something.

 

[Veni Vidi Vici]

WOW!

When I say the title thread I was expecting to hear of someone pronouncing the 2 names the same with a funny story attached. I was ready to post one (not really that funny, but I was amazed that anyone could mispronounce them).

I just can't believe people think these 2 names sound the same. I guess it's all about where you live.

ps-I bet you'll never hear newscasters on national news pronounce them the same.

 

[Adebisi]

We got divorced. Thanks for bringing up old wounds.

Did you go back to using your maiden name?

 

[Otis]

WOW!When I say the title thread I was expecting to hear of someone pronouncing the 2 names the same with a funny story attached. I was ready to post one (not really that funny, but I was amazed that anyone could mispronounce them).I just can't believe people think these 2 names sound the same. I guess it's all about where you live.ps-I bet you'll never hear newscasters on national news pronounce them the same.

This. People who've been further than the confines of their trailer park understand all the nuances in the English language.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

WOW!When I say the title thread I was expecting to hear of someone pronouncing the 2 names the same with a funny story attached. I was ready to post one (not really that funny, but I was amazed that anyone could mispronounce them).I just can't believe people think these 2 names sound the same. I guess it's all about where you live.ps-I bet you'll never hear newscasters on national news pronounce them the same.

This. People who've been further than the confines of their trailer park understand all the nuances in the English language.

You guys also think bacon isn't a topping, right?

 

[RudiStein]

WOW!

When I say the title thread I was expecting to hear of someone pronouncing the 2 names the same with a funny story attached. I was ready to post one (not really that funny, but I was amazed that anyone could mispronounce them).

I just can't believe people think these 2 names sound the same. I guess it's all about where you live.

ps-I bet you'll never hear newscasters on national news pronounce them the same.

<_<

 

[RudiStein]

WOW!When I say the title thread I was expecting to hear of someone pronouncing the 2 names the same with a funny story attached. I was ready to post one (not really that funny, but I was amazed that anyone could mispronounce them).I just can't believe people think these 2 names sound the same. I guess it's all about where you live.ps-I bet you'll never hear newscasters on national news pronounce them the same.

This. People who've been further than the confines of their trailer park understand all the nuances in the English language.

Says the guy who probably says 'hamboigah' and 'livah woist'.

 

[Veni Vidi Vici]

WOW!When I say the title thread I was expecting to hear of someone pronouncing the 2 names the same with a funny story attached. I was ready to post one (not really that funny, but I was amazed that anyone could mispronounce them).I just can't believe people think these 2 names sound the same. I guess it's all about where you live.ps-I bet you'll never hear newscasters on national news pronounce them the same.

This. People who've been further than the confines of their trailer park understand all the nuances in the English language.

Says the guy who probably says 'hamboigah' and 'livah woist'.

No, I'd guess he'd say it the way you'd hear the newscasters on national news say it.

 

[RudiStein]

WOW!When I say the title thread I was expecting to hear of someone pronouncing the 2 names the same with a funny story attached. I was ready to post one (not really that funny, but I was amazed that anyone could mispronounce them).I just can't believe people think these 2 names sound the same. I guess it's all about where you live.ps-I bet you'll never hear newscasters on national news pronounce them the same.

This. People who've been further than the confines of their trailer park understand all the nuances in the English language.

Says the guy who probably says 'hamboigah' and 'livah woist'.

No, I'd guess he'd say it the way you'd hear the newscasters on national news say it.

Not really.

 

[Veni Vidi Vici]

I told people at work about this, they thought I was joking.

The hillbilly life is alive and kicking!

 

[Corporation]

We got divorced. Thanks for bringing up old wounds.

Did you go back to using your maiden name?

 

[Corporation]

I agree Don and Dawn sound different, but I draw the line at Mary/marry/merry.

 

[the moops]

I agree Don and Dawn sound different, but I draw the line at Mary/marry/merry.

I can understand how Don and Dawn may sound similar. They are close enough, IMO.But merry, mary, marry are so obviously different, I feel like it has to be shtick at this point.

 

[Harry Manback]

Mary=marry which both <> merry

 

[CowboysFromHell]

I agree Don and Dawn sound different, but I draw the line at Mary/marry/merry.

I can understand how Don and Dawn may sound similar. They are close enough, IMO.But merry, mary, marry are so obviously different, I feel like it has to be shtick at this point.

22 pages and I still don't get it. Don sounds like Dawn. Merry sounds like Mary sounds like Marry. Gotta be shtick.

 

[the moops]

Mary=marry which both <> merry

No chance you are from MA if you think this way

 

[Jack Burton]

they do rhyme but are not interchangeable

 

[Otis]

WOW!When I say the title thread I was expecting to hear of someone pronouncing the 2 names the same with a funny story attached. I was ready to post one (not really that funny, but I was amazed that anyone could mispronounce them).I just can't believe people think these 2 names sound the same. I guess it's all about where you live.ps-I bet you'll never hear newscasters on national news pronounce them the same.

This. People who've been further than the confines of their trailer park understand all the nuances in the English language.

Says the guy who probably says 'hamboigah' and 'livah woist'.

XLet's schedule a telephone conference. You can record and post to the FFA. Better yet, where's Yandek?

 

[Harry Manback]

Mary=marry which both <> merry

No chance you are from MA if you think this way

lol ask those who've spoken to me.

 

[Harry Manback]

WOW!When I say the title thread I was expecting to hear of someone pronouncing the 2 names the same with a funny story attached. I was ready to post one (not really that funny, but I was amazed that anyone could mispronounce them).I just can't believe people think these 2 names sound the same. I guess it's all about where you live.ps-I bet you'll never hear newscasters on national news pronounce them the same.

This. People who've been further than the confines of their trailer park understand all the nuances in the English language.

Says the guy who probably says 'hamboigah' and 'livah woist'.

XLet's schedule a telephone conference. You can record and post to the FFA. Better yet, where's Yandek?

Otis sounds fairly normal.

 

[gianmarco]

Update?

 

[bostonfred]

We got divorced. Thanks for bringing up old wounds.

Did you go back to using your maiden name?

 

[PatsFanCT]

Any time I try to pronounce these two words the same, I feel like a southerner. Go ahead normal people, say it out loud. See how far south you can get. The south knows they pronounce everything wrong, right? Isn't that as obvious as say, Don and Dawn NOT rhyming?

 

[Thorn]

So, say, hypothetically.....someone doesn't even know where to begin in pronouncing merry, mary & marry differently.How would you explain the difference?

You would have to make up a whole bunch of lies since they all sound exactly the same.

You people are dumb

I kept my last name after I got married.

 

[Jayrod]

Any time I try to pronounce these two words the same, I feel like a southerner. Go ahead normal people, say it out loud. See how far south you can get. The south knows they pronounce everything wrong, right? Isn't that as obvious as say, Don and Dawn NOT rhyming?

Southern accent = sexyNorthern accent = dorkyFACT!

 

[Flying V]

Can we do a caulk vs. ####?

 

[WetDream]

Can we do a caulk vs. ####?

I'll try anything once.

 

[Jayrod]

Can we do a caulk vs. ####?

I'll try anything once.

 

[Village Idiot]

#### no and you know it.

100% serious. No I don't. And it's not just because that's how I say them. It's how I hear people say it as well.You honestly mean to tell me that if someone told you "My cousin Dawn is coming to town." you would automatically know they meant a female named "Dawn" and not a man named "Don"?

Yes.This words are pronounced clearly differntly in 5 of the 6 places I have lived.It depends on where you live.

 

[Doug B]

Any time I try to pronounce these two words the same, I feel like a southerner.

Southerners don't typically rhyme these words ... it's more a mark of a Mid-Western or West Coast accent. Basically Big Ten and Pac-12 country.

 

[Village Idiot]

Depends on where you live.

Right. If you live in Moronville you would say "no".

Think I've posted this before, but this test will tell you if you are from Moronville then.And no, they don't exactly rhyme. "Don" has a more clipped vowel pronunciation. Do you think that dawn rhymes with bon as in bon bon?

Wow. This test nailed exactly what area of the country I am from.

 

[Village Idiot]

Fawn rhymes with Dawn

Con ryhmes with Don

All four of these rhyme.You people are so weird.

No, they don't. offdee's examples are valid.

I actually had this debate with Smoo in 2004. It got to the point where he actually called me on the phone to hear how these two names are in fact pronounced differently. His position didn't officially change, but he conceded that he could see how I could perceive there is a difference.

I think that thread was nuked, but he makes reference to it here.

DON doesn't rhyme with DAWN.

DON rhymes with JOHN.

JOHN and DAWN ####### RHYME!!!

Not in Northern Ohio they don't.

 

[Village Idiot]

sorry your ears don't work, larry

He is a product of genetics and his environment.Time to start a non profit to help people afflicted with this "disease."I nominate GM to head it.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Any time I try to pronounce these two words the same, I feel like a southerner.

Southerners don't typically rhyme these words ... it's more a mark of a Mid-Western or West Coast accent. Basically Big Ten and Pac-12 country.

midwest? no way. what are you talking about?

 

[Doug B]

midwest? no way. what are you talking about?

See here. It's not 100% in any part of the Midwest, but it is strong in a lot of areas. Iowa seems to be a stronghold, from my experience.

According to Labov, Ash, and Boberg,the merger does not generally occur in the southern United States (with exceptions), along most of the American side of the Great Lakes region, or in the "Northeast Corridor" extended metropolitan region from Providence, Rhode Island to Baltimore. Areas that it occurs include:

[*]Canada

[*]Boston (see Boston accent)

[*]Northeastern New England

[*]the Pittsburgh area (see Pittsburghese)

[*]The Western United States

[*]Due to an apparent spread of the merger towards the center of the United States (from both the western and eastern states), portions of the Midwest also feature the merger:

[*]Illinois

[*]Indiana

[*]Iowa

[*]Minnesota

[*]Missouri

[*]Ohio

The distribution of the merger is complex, even without taking into account the mobility of the American population; there are pockets of speakers with the merger in areas that lack it, and vice versa. There are areas where the merger has only partially occurred, or is in a state of transition. For example, based on research directed by William Labov (using telephone surveys), younger speakers in Kansas, Nebraska, and the Dakotas exhibit the merger while speakers older than 40 typically do not. The 2003 Harvard Dialect Survey, in which subjects did not necessarily grow up in the place they identified as the source of their dialect features, indicates that there are speakers of both merging and contrast-preserving accents throughout the country, though the basic isoglosses are almost identical to those revealed by Labov's 1996 telephone survey. Both surveys indicate that approximately 60% of American English speakers preserve the contrast, while approximately 40% make the merger, although in a more recent interview, Labov stated that "Half of this country has a merger of the word classes, cot, caught, don, dawn, hock, hawk."

 

[roadkill1292]

Sometimes I think you people get bored and search the back pages of this forum just to find something old and dead to argue about.

 

[Village Idiot]

Ian’s story illustrates another vowel shift in American English. In the Great Lakes region including Michigan, the short a sound of bat and had is often pronounced like the ea of idea; thus, bat sounds like “beeyut” and had like “heeyud.”

Oof.

never heard that. sounds awful.

I'm from Cleveland and I've never heard that pronounced like that.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Any time I try to pronounce these two words the same, I feel like a southerner.

Southerners don't typically rhyme these words ... it's more a mark of a Mid-Western or West Coast accent. Basically Big Ten and Pac-12 country.

midwest? no way. what are you talking about?

I know a guy from Cleveland who pronoucnes them the same. It's creepy.ETA: Actually, I think he's from western Pennsylvania, but worked in Cleveland for a few years.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

midwest? no way. what are you talking about?

See here. It's not 100% in any part of the Midwest, but it is strong in a lot of areas. Iowa seems to be a stronghold, from my experience.

weird.I'd say areas around the Great Lakes are midwest too though and he specifically excluded those. So, I'm not really sure why you threw the entire Big 10 country under the bus.

 

[Village Idiot]

Ian’s story illustrates another vowel shift in American English. In the Great Lakes region including Michigan, the short a sound of bat and had is often pronounced like the ea of idea; thus, bat sounds like “beeyut” and had like “heeyud.”

Oof.

Perhaps way up north in Michigan, but I am from the Detroit area and have never heard this in my life.

Sounds like they're describing the Cleveland A.You can spot a Cleveland/Akron native immediately once you've heard it. It's terrible.

Apparently not.I'm from Cleveland and would kill myself if I started talking like this.

 

[Village Idiot]

People who mispronounce Dawn as Doe-un or whatever sound they make are generally the same people who get a cup of koaf-ee and tawk on the fauxn. It's not that I'm incapable of hearing this constant assault on the English language, it's that I refuse to participate in it. The same goes for people who call coupons coo-pons instead of q-pons, or calll the shingles on top of their house a roof when it's really a roof (I don't know how to spell the sounds but it should be an oo instead of a schwah). And while some of you may mistakenly assume that my nickname means you shouldn't stand near me when I say I have a hat on, I can't stand the Boston accent any more than the New York one, and when I try to fake a wicked pissah Bahston accent, I sound worse than Jeff Bridges screaming theyuhs a bahmb in the cah. This is not an issue with any single dialect. The problem is that many accents have adopted the same terrible mispronunciations. Adding a secret vowel to a monosyllabic word like dawn is unacceptable under any circumstances.

I Fred.Try playing a poker tournament with [icon] for a few hours.His accent put me on tilt.

 

[Village Idiot]

Dawn rhymes with lawn.Don rhymes with con.Con does not rhyme with lawn.Therefore, dawn does not rhyme with don.

They all rhyme.

You know that thing that hangs over your head to keep out the sun and rain? An awning? Do you giys pronounce that "onning"??

Yes. Because that's how it is pronounced.[/QUOTE]Please change your avatar sir, there is no chance you attended BGSU and are serious about this one.TIA.

 

[Doug B]

So, I'm not really sure why you threw the entire Big 10 country under the bus.

... just to make it easier for the house to understand At the expense of precision.Why do you call it "throw them under the bus", though? Rhyming "Don" and "dawn" is not some negative attribute. It's not stupid or wrong, despite 20-some-odd pages here. It's just the way some people talk.