Do you believe the NFL did not see the tape of Ray Rice (2 Viewers)

[Widbil83]

I don't think they saw it. The Goodell regime is dumber than post.

 

[fatness]

The NFL NEVER contacted the casino to request video of Ray Rice brutalizing his fiancee ... TMZ Sports has learned. Commissioner Rodger Goodell made his disciplinary decision in the dark, which raises the question ... Is that the way he wanted it?

Sources connected with the Revel Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City tell TMZ Sports ... NO ONE from the NFL ever asked for the video inside the elevator ... video that was compelling enough to get Rice instantly fired.

Sources who worked at the casino at the time of the incident tell us ... if the NFL had asked for the video, they would have gladly complied.

Without video ... Goodell blindly justified the initial 2-game suspension, based on the only evidence they had -- from the two people in the elevator, who called it mutual combat.

Multiple sources tell TMZ Sports ... the casino made a copy of the elevator surveillance video for police. We're also told Rice's lawyer had a copy of the video, which he got in the criminal case.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/09/nfl-ray-rice-video-elevator-attack-fiancee-casino-footage/

 

[PatsWillWin]

In response to the claim from TMZ that the NFL didn’t request from the casino the video captured of the blow to the head that knocked out Ray Rice’s then-fiancée, the NFL doesn’t directly say whether it requested the video from the casino.

But the obvious implication is that the league didn’t directly ask for the video from the casino, from Rice, or from anyone other than the law enforcement agency handling the case.

“Security for Atlantic City casinos is handled by the New Jersey State Police,” the NFL said in a statement released to PFT. “Any videos related to an ongoing criminal investigation are held in the custody of the state police. As we said yesterday: We requested from law enforcement any and all information about the incident, including the video from inside the elevator. That video was not made available to us.”

While the fact that Rice was suspended only two games continues to be the best evidence that the NFL didn’t actually see the video, the latest statement from the league confirms that the persons with the job duties of gathering the information on behalf of the league failed.

Miserably.

Regardless of whether TMZ’s claim that the casino would have potentially jeopardized its broader business interests by gladly handing over evidence that could be used against a patron by his employer, the league’s statement implies that the request indeed wasn’t made. It also confirms that the league — and the Ravens — didn’t try to get the tape from Rice, whose lawyer had a copy of it as part of the criminal investigation.

As the 40-year-old saying goes, the coverup is worse than the crime. While no coverup in this specific case would be worse than the underlying crime committed by Ray Rice, the league seems to be sliding into the same echo chamber that produced clumsy, awkward defenses of the initial Rice suspension. If/when the league wakes up this time around, the end result could be consequences far more tangible than a memo in which the Commissioner admits that the league got it wrong.

 

[habsfan]

Hard to believe the "billion dollar shield" did any extensive investigation or had this elaborate damage control plan in place in light of the current mess. Avoiding this outcome is exactly what their objective would have been. I think they simply misjudged public reaction badly.

 

[Franknbeans]

Well, they either saw it and are lying or they didn't see it but were aware of it's existence. Either way, it is grossly negligent and in the former case, Goodell's head should roll.

 

[justinl]

What ESPN revealed this morning makes sense, I'll give them that. It paints TMZ as the culprit trying to manipulate the situation. So I'd change my vote, I think they were truthful when they said they didn't see it.

 

[jurb26]

What ESPN revealed this morning makes sense, I'll give them that. It paints TMZ as the culprit trying to manipulate the situation. So I'd change my vote, I think they were truthful when they said they didn't see it.

Perhaps they didn't see it. It seems clear that even if they didn't see it, they knew exactly what was in the video, though. So basically they changed their stance on the incident because of public outcry.

 

[McGarnicle]

TMZ should stick to what they're good at -- telling morons how much Kim Kardashian paid to have her ###### bleached.

 

[KellysHeroes]

What ESPN revealed this morning makes sense, I'll give them that. It paints TMZ as the culprit trying to manipulate the situation. So I'd change my vote, I think they were truthful when they said they didn't see it.

the NFL has ESPN in their pockets, how much money did ESPN make yesterday between Ray Rice and the 2 games?

 

[KCitons]

The thing that still amazes me, is that the NFL doesn't have enough forethought to establish rules for things like domestic violence. I get that there is a CBA to work around. But, the personal conduct portion should be an easy thing to define, eliminate the gray areas and make the punishment known.

I could see the same problems arise in the event of child abuse (sexual or physical) case. The NFL execs make a ton of money, they need to be in front of these violations to avoid confusion.

 

[Billy Bats]

The thing that still amazes me, is that the NFL doesn't have enough forethought to establish rules for things like domestic violence. I get that there is a CBA to work around. But, the personal conduct portion should be an easy thing to define, eliminate the gray areas and make the punishment known.

I could see the same problems arise in the event of child abuse (sexual or physical) case. The NFL execs make a ton of money, they need to be in front of these violations to avoid confusion.

Come on now what do you expect?? Do you know how much they spend on uniform police every Sunday??? Matching socks and tucked in jerseys are way more important than domestic abuse. Priorities man!!!

 

[False Start]

What ESPN revealed this morning makes sense, I'll give them that. It paints TMZ as the culprit trying to manipulate the situation. So I'd change my vote, I think they were truthful when they said they didn't see it.

You are telling me people did not already know that? If this story has told me anything the past few days, it lets me know how little the average person knows about the world and life.

Have people still not learned to never trust the media in 2014? Maybe that is why our country is not even in the top 20 in education in the world.

 

[KCitons]

The thing that still amazes me, is that the NFL doesn't have enough forethought to establish rules for things like domestic violence. I get that there is a CBA to work around. But, the personal conduct portion should be an easy thing to define, eliminate the gray areas and make the punishment known.

I could see the same problems arise in the event of child abuse (sexual or physical) case. The NFL execs make a ton of money, they need to be in front of these violations to avoid confusion.

Come on now what do you expect?? Do you know how much they spend on uniform police every Sunday??? Matching socks and tucked in jerseys are way more important than domestic abuse. Priorities man!!!

sorry, my mistake.

 

[justinl]

What ESPN revealed this morning makes sense, I'll give them that. It paints TMZ as the culprit trying to manipulate the situation. So I'd change my vote, I think they were truthful when they said they didn't see it.

Perhaps they didn't see it. It seems clear that even if they didn't see it, they knew exactly what was in the video, though. So basically they changed their stance on the incident because of public outcry.

Agreed. The sentiment was that it was more violent than expected, on film.

What ESPN revealed this morning makes sense, I'll give them that. It paints TMZ as the culprit trying to manipulate the situation. So I'd change my vote, I think they were truthful when they said they didn't see it.

the NFL has ESPN in their pockets, how much money did ESPN make yesterday between Ray Rice and the 2 games?

That would be reaching for a conspiracy theory, in my opinion, to fabricate the sequence of events. If you think through it, the ESPN report is logical.

 

[jurb26]

Lester Munson just on ESPN in interview basically said NFL likely had the video. Says the NFL has multiple former FBI agents and police personal on staff and even though the NFL had no legal right to the video these guy certainly have the resources and wherewithal to obtain it.

 

[CapnJB]

Just as a general question, can employers request court documents that are not public record just to review them?

 

[Doug B]

Goodell enforces discipline when the media cares.

The NFL doesn't have an internal moral compass, so outside agencies have to knock them straight with some frequency. Sports needs an Honor Code.

 

[rockaction]

NFL officials did not suspend Ray Rice indefinitely because they saw the video. [SIZE=14.3999996185303px]NFL officials suspended Ray Rice indefinitely because you saw the video.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14.3999996185303px]An organization as powerful as the NFL most definitely had access to that video, and they most definitely viewed it before adjudicating.[/SIZE]

Totally agree with the bolded.

Disagree with the italicized. I think they willfully did not watch it without ever expressing a desire not to. Lawyers good enough to make up the NFL legal staff are smart enough not even to express how little they want to watch it. At that point, it's probably unspoken.

eta* Whoops. You said access, not that they'd ever not seen it. I also agree with you on that point. My bad.

 

[Sheriff66]

They saw it for sure

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

This issue is a can of worms they don't want opened at all. Lots of players, lots of good players like Rice, would be suspended for a long time. I know that I would probably be surprised to know how many people are committing domestic violence, maybe my accountant, my friend, my electrician etc. And I do like to play fantasy football a ton, but it is just getting harder to enjoy the sport when seemingly a lot of these players are not really guys I could support.

 

[Doug B]

... but it is just getting harder to enjoy the sport when seemingly a lot of these players are not really guys I could support.

Though most fans think this doesn't matter even a little bit. Is there any real reason why good athletes have to be bad human beings?

 

[Mello]

This issue is a can of worms they don't want opened at all. Lots of players, lots of good players like Rice, would be suspended for a long time. I know that I would probably be surprised to know how many people are committing domestic violence, maybe my accountant, my friend, my electrician etc. And I do like to play fantasy football a ton, but it is just getting harder to enjoy the sport when seemingly a lot of these players are not really guys I could support.

So have you just been living your life blissfully thinking all the sports players you were supporting were saints off the field? Because I'm pretty sure players as a whole are much better behaved today than in the past. Also, I'd suggest you probably deal with people who are just as bad in their personal lives on a daily basis.

 

[moondog]

The NFL released a statement during Mike and Mike this morning about the video and so did the New Jersey State Police -

From ESPN --

In a statement Tuesday, the NFL said, "Security for Atlantic City casinos is handled by the New Jersey State Police. Any videos related to an ongoing criminal investigation are held in the custody of the state police. As we said yesterday: We requested from law enforcement any and all information about the incident, including the video from inside the elevator. That video was not made available to us."

In response to inquiries from ABC News, the New Jersey State Police said the statement from the NFL is not accurate.

"Investigations of incidents on the casino floor are handled by the NJSP, but this occurred in the elevator and was handled by the [Atlantic City Police Department]," an NJSP spokesman said. "We never had the video."

 

[Billy Bats]

So their story is they asked for the video from people who didn't have it. Excellent.

Still doesn't avoid the fact that Mortensen and King have talked to people who seen the video in July. So unless they were talking to someone in the AC Police department, NFL people seen it.

 

[socrates]

Regardless of which side of this debate you land on, it is time to call for Goodell's resignation. He is either a liar or he is incompetent. If Roger Goodell saw the tape and made the horrible decision to dole out such minimal punishment, he is not only a liar, but he lacks sound judgment. If he failed to obtain the tape and still elected to rule upon the situation, he is incompetent at his job and lacks sound judgment. If he believed the video would not ultimately be leaked to the media, he is foolish.

 

[BassNBrew]

I'm still scratching my head over this. It isn't the NFL's job to investigate and dish out punishment in this case. In suspending Rice for two games they did more than our judicial system. They are well within their rights to sit back and dole out punishment for personal conduct when it impacts the image of their league. When they do that they have something to back up their position. Getting out in front of these issues would require a lot of resources and ultimately open them up to a huge liability. They've been lucky thus far that guys like Big Ben have just taken their medicine and not fought back. If the NFL gets too expansive in their personal conduct, it will eventually impact so many players that the NFL players union will fight back.

 

[BassNBrew]

Regardless of which side of this debate you land on, it is time to call for Goodell's resignation. He is either a liar or he is incompetent. If Roger Goodell saw the tape and made the horrible decision to dole out such minimal punishment, he is not only a liar, but he lacks sound judgment. If he failed to obtain the tape and still elected to rule upon the situation, he is incompetent at his job and lacks sound judgment. If he believed the video would not ultimately be leaked to the media, he is foolish.

So your the commish replacing him, what should he do about Hardy?

 

[rockaction]

... but it is just getting harder to enjoy the sport when seemingly a lot of these players are not really guys I could support.

Though most fans think this doesn't matter even a little bit. Is there any real reason why good athletes have to be bad human beings?

Not true. I don't make a big point of it, but I won't draft guys I don't like because I'm not really gambling heavily on this stuff, I do it for fun. I draft guys I want to watch, or sometimes, the guys I draft make me watch and I appreciate their game.

But for the most part, damn right I'm picking guys I like and that I like watching play.

 

[socrates]

Regardless of which side of this debate you land on, it is time to call for Goodell's resignation. He is either a liar or he is incompetent. If Roger Goodell saw the tape and made the horrible decision to dole out such minimal punishment, he is not only a liar, but he lacks sound judgment. If he failed to obtain the tape and still elected to rule upon the situation, he is incompetent at his job and lacks sound judgment. If he believed the video would not ultimately be leaked to the media, he is foolish.

So your the commish replacing him, what should he do about Hardy?

1. Conduct a detailed inquiry and investigation prior to making a ruling.

2. Use sound judgment in making a decision.

3. Display honesty and integrity.

Is this too much to ask?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

For real? These guys aren't some CIA/NSA operation with much knowledge beyond ours.

I remember the writer who spent the pre-draft process with the meetings from the Browns ownership and how he mentioned they spent 90% of their time watching ESPN for updates. These guys aren't some know-alls keeping stuff under wraps.

It's ridiculous to insinuate they saw the full video and only gave him two games.

Dumbest thread I've seen on here in months... and that's saying a lot.

I think you're misunderestimating how large corporate and governmental organizations work. Yes, they will keep information they feel embarrassing secret, maybe the domestic violence issue is bigger than it looks in the NFL.

 

[BassNBrew]

Regardless of which side of this debate you land on, it is time to call for Goodell's resignation. He is either a liar or he is incompetent. If Roger Goodell saw the tape and made the horrible decision to dole out such minimal punishment, he is not only a liar, but he lacks sound judgment. If he failed to obtain the tape and still elected to rule upon the situation, he is incompetent at his job and lacks sound judgment. If he believed the video would not ultimately be leaked to the media, he is foolish.

So your the commish replacing him, what should he do about Hardy?

1. Conduct a detailed inquiry and investigation prior to making a ruling.

2. Use sound judgment in making a decision.

3. Display honesty and integrity.

Is this too much to ask?

So you don't have an answer. There's already been a hearing, the investigation is public record.

1. Sounds like they did this for the most part other than gauge the public reaction to the release of any video. IMO the video didn't make it any worse. I was about what I expected, maybe a little less violent.

2. Sound judgement includes not going overboard and risking a lawsuit. Usually it's better to miss the mark on the low end than end up in court. I was expecting 4 games to begin with, but evidently there was precedent for two. Furthermore, our legal system with access to all the information came up with a very mild penalty for Rice.

3. Can't comment on the last point.

 

[justinl]

Regardless of which side of this debate you land on, it is time to call for Goodell's resignation. He is either a liar or he is incompetent. If Roger Goodell saw the tape and made the horrible decision to dole out such minimal punishment, he is not only a liar, but he lacks sound judgment. If he failed to obtain the tape and still elected to rule upon the situation, he is incompetent at his job and lacks sound judgment. If he believed the video would not ultimately be leaked to the media, he is foolish.

So your the commish replacing him, what should he do about Hardy?

1. Conduct a detailed inquiry and investigation prior to making a ruling.

2. Use sound judgment in making a decision.

3. Display honesty and integrity.

Is this too much to ask?

Honestly, since the NFL is it's own entity, and Hardy was already convicted (in appeals), you dock him 2 games for behavior detriment to the league and you force anger management, DV rehabilitation, whatever classes on him. For those two weeks, he takes mandated classes, misses practice and games, and maybe in the offseason as well. You give him 2 games for the benefit of the doubt (first time offender) or the 6 games that they revised, and tell him that he represents the NFL, don't get in situations like this. Clean up or get out.

That's how Goodell should implement a no tolerance policy. We're not just talking about some non-credible witness who randomly accused him. It certainly looks like his fate is sealed. But since the courts won't get around to it till the offseason, he's free to play in the NFL and go about business? No, you take preventative measures and make sure he knows that this is his only warning, clean up his act or he's out. The NFL needs to look to help rehabilitate these people too.

 

[justinl]

So their story is they asked for the video from people who didn't have it. Excellent.

Still doesn't avoid the fact that Mortensen and King have talked to people who seen the video in July. So unless they were talking to someone in the AC Police department, NFL people seen it.

Mortensen (I believe) was the one who clarified that it was the police that were working with the NFL and Ravens that saw it and transcribed the video for them.

 

[jurb26]

So their story is they asked for the video from people who didn't have it. Excellent.

Still doesn't avoid the fact that Mortensen and King have talked to people who seen the video in July. So unless they were talking to someone in the AC Police department, NFL people seen it.

Their story is they asked all the pertinent authorities for the video and were not able to obtain it. That isn't in itself hard to believe IMO. The fact that they didn't use their multiple resources to get around that and obtain the video some other way, contacts at the casino or within the police departments, is what strikes me as total BS. If TMZ was able to get it, the NFL/Ravens should have been able to as well. I'm guessing they did and just are being coy with their phrasing here.

 

[Adam Harstad]

There's got to be some kind of snappy _____gate name we can pin on this thing.

DidTheySeeTheVideogate.

 

[False Start]

You would think Ray Rice killed someone if you read these threads or watch the media.

 

[Billy Bats]

So their story is they asked for the video from people who didn't have it. Excellent.

Still doesn't avoid the fact that Mortensen and King have talked to people who seen the video in July. So unless they were talking to someone in the AC Police department, NFL people seen it.

Mortensen (I believe) was the one who clarified that it was the police that were working with the NFL and Ravens that saw it and transcribed the video for them.

But I wonder who was Mortensen's source of the video from inside the elevator. Someone told Mort exactly what we seen on yesterday's video back in July. It could've been an officer, but considering how many NFL contacts he has, I'm lead to believe someone associated with the NFL seen that footage months ago.

 

[jurb26]

So their story is they asked for the video from people who didn't have it. Excellent.

Still doesn't avoid the fact that Mortensen and King have talked to people who seen the video in July. So unless they were talking to someone in the AC Police department, NFL people seen it.

Mortensen (I believe) was the one who clarified that it was the police that were working with the NFL and Ravens that saw it and transcribed the video for them.

But I wonder who was Mortensen's source of the video from inside the elevator. Someone told Mort exactly what we seen on yesterday's video back in July. It could've been an officer, but considering how many NFL contacts he has, I'm lead to believe someone associated with the NFL seen that footage months ago.

An officer who saw the video was a source to the Ravens. Maybe it was the same source for Mort. That officers statement confirmed exactly what Rice said happened and what is on the video.

 

[Bad Mojo]

You would think Ray Rice killed someone if you read these threads or watch the media.

Leonard Little, Donte Stallworrh, Josh Brent, Ray Lewis

Wonder if the NFL saw their "tapes"

Discuss

 

[mrip541]

NFL saw it for sure. Come on now.

 

[socrates]

Regardless of which side of this debate you land on, it is time to call for Goodell's resignation. He is either a liar or he is incompetent. If Roger Goodell saw the tape and made the horrible decision to dole out such minimal punishment, he is not only a liar, but he lacks sound judgment. If he failed to obtain the tape and still elected to rule upon the situation, he is incompetent at his job and lacks sound judgment. If he believed the video would not ultimately be leaked to the media, he is foolish.

So your the commish replacing him, what should he do about Hardy?

1. Conduct a detailed inquiry and investigation prior to making a ruling.

2. Use sound judgment in making a decision.

3. Display honesty and integrity.

Is this too much to ask?

So you don't have an answer. There's already been a hearing, the investigation is public record.

1. Sounds like they did this for the most part other than gauge the public reaction to the release of any video. IMO the video didn't make it any worse. I was about what I expected, maybe a little less violent. If the League did not obtain and view the video prior to making a ruling, they did not conduct a detailed investigation. The video was not unattainable. I have no information as to what the League's investigation provided. Regardless of what the League believed was contained in the video, they were negligent if they failed to view it, and they were foolish if they believed the public would not eventually view it.

2. Sound judgement includes not going overboard and risking a lawsuit. Usually it's better to miss the mark on the low end than end up in court. I was expecting 4 games to begin with, but evidently there was precedent for two. Furthermore, our legal system with access to all the information came up with a very mild penalty for Rice. Roger Goodell lamented his decision even before the video became public. Ray Rice met the guidelines for Pretrial Diversion, and that may have been appropriate in his criminal case, but the NFL is not bound by the outcome in the criminal courts. Roger Goodell's decision to suspend Rice for only two games was a poor decision, and even he would admit that. My personal opinion is that the League should mandate counseling and/or rehabilitation as part of its rulings. I haven't a problem with the League showing some leniency to first-time offenders; however, given the evidence in this matter, suspending Ray Rice for only 2 games was not the result of using sound judgment.

3. Can't comment on the last point. This is the most important point. Above all, the League should conduct themselves with honesty and integrity. If the League has been less than honest about their possession of the video, it is time to clean house. The integrity of the NFL should be protected above any individuals.

My comments in Red

 

[Captain Hook]

I believe the NFL didn't see the video because they didn't want to see it - they essentially let Rice off very easy and knew the Ravens club was going along with (maybe even encouraged) whatever Goodell decided to do

When the Ravens owner and executives actually saw the video they felt they had to take action

The leagues suspension was part overreaction to public response and also to make sure no other club would try and sign Rice

 

[VaTerp]

Does anyone else find it outrageous that the NFL dedicates resources to test players like Gordon 70 times to find out if he is using marijuana in his free time yet they didnt put any resources into contacting a two bit casino to get the video of a player committing a violent crime against a woman in a public venue.

Either they are lying that they saw the tape or they had no legitimate interest in doing so prior to it being leaked to the public. Both positions are shameful and outrageous IMO.

 

[voiceofunreason]

For real? These guys aren't some CIA/NSA operation with much knowledge beyond ours.

I remember the writer who spent the pre-draft process with the meetings from the Browns ownership and how he mentioned they spent 90% of their time watching ESPN for updates. These guys aren't some know-alls keeping stuff under wraps.

It's ridiculous to insinuate they saw the full video and only gave him two games.

Dumbest thread I've seen on here in months... and that's saying a lot.

Kind of funny how stupid your post is and misinformed yet you are 100% certain.

http://thefixisin.net/hurd.html

"NFL Security is basically the law enforcement arm of the NFL. It acts as a semi-secret police force with at least two agents stationed in each city the NFL has a franchise as well as being headquartered in the NFL's home office in New York City.

Members of NFL Security are often former members of the FBI, CIA, and DEA."

 

[fatness]

Does anyone else find it outrageous that the NFL dedicates resources to test players like Gordon 70 times to find out if he is using marijuana in his free time yet they didnt put any resources into contacting a two bit casino to get the video of a player committing a violent crime against a woman in a public venue.

If the NFL wants to ferret out some information, they will get it. And if they want information ignored they'll hire investigators to be willfully blind.

This was one tape they couldn't destroy.

 

[rockaction]

For real? These guys aren't some CIA/NSA operation with much knowledge beyond ours.

I remember the writer who spent the pre-draft process with the meetings from the Browns ownership and how he mentioned they spent 90% of their time watching ESPN for updates. These guys aren't some know-alls keeping stuff under wraps.

It's ridiculous to insinuate they saw the full video and only gave him two games.

Dumbest thread I've seen on here in months... and that's saying a lot.

Kind of funny how stupid your post is and misinformed yet you are 100% certain.

http://thefixisin.net/hurd.html

"NFL Security is basically the law enforcement arm of the NFL. It acts as a semi-secret police force with at least two agents stationed in each city the NFL has a franchise as well as being headquartered in the NFL's home office in New York City.

Members of NFL Security are often former members of the FBI, CIA, and DEA."

I know this borders on conspiracy theory stuff, but after researching policing and Euro football, nothing freaking surprises me. Weird.

 

[VaTerp]

Does anyone else find it outrageous that the NFL dedicates resources to test players like Gordon 70 times to find out if he is using marijuana in his free time yet they didnt put any resources into contacting a two bit casino to get the video of a player committing a violent crime against a woman in a public venue.

If the NFL wants to ferret out some information, they will get it. And if they want information ignored they'll hire investigators to be willfully blind.

This was one tape they couldn't destroy.

Exactly. It's funny that when Goodell became Commish he made his #1 priority cleaning up the league's image by "getting tough" on personal conduct policy.

The Rice situation is the latest example of a failed approach that has no consistency. I ultimately agree with the outcome of Rice being suspended for at least this year but the way it's come about is a complete joke. Goodell is already contradicting the new policy he put in place 2 weeks ago.

I wish I was compensated to the tune of $44 million a year to be this inconsistent at my job.

 

[ldizzle]

Goodell is as good as gone if this is confirmed

 

[Phenomena]

For real? These guys aren't some CIA/NSA operation with much knowledge beyond ours.

I remember the writer who spent the pre-draft process with the meetings from the Browns ownership and how he mentioned they spent 90% of their time watching ESPN for updates. These guys aren't some know-alls keeping stuff under wraps.

It's ridiculous to insinuate they saw the full video and only gave him two games.

Dumbest thread I've seen on here in months... and that's saying a lot.

Kind of funny how stupid your post is and misinformed yet you are 100% certain.

http://thefixisin.net/hurd.html

"NFL Security is basically the law enforcement arm of the NFL. It acts as a semi-secret police force with at least two agents stationed in each city the NFL has a franchise as well as being headquartered in the NFL's home office in New York City.

Members of NFL Security are often former members of the FBI, CIA, and DEA."

Yea, and our po-dunk security team where I work employs former, retired police officers. Who cares?

FORMER members for a reason, I'm guessing. Probably retired or flunked out of those programs.

I'll soften my stance a bit saying there's a CHANCE they saw the video and it's 100% certain they bungled it, but I disagree wholeheartedly on this conspiracy theory crap. Goodell has nothing to gain by hiding a video intentionally.

 

[jurb26]

I'll soften my stance a bit saying there's a CHANCE they saw the video and it's 100% certain they bungled it, but I disagree wholeheartedly on this conspiracy theory crap. Goodell has nothing to gain by hiding a video intentionally.

This is such a misguided view on the situation if you ask me. If Goodell, the NFL and Ravens had this video what is there to gain by letting it leak out to the public? If they had it, which I believe they did, then they likely never expected it to surface. When it did and they saw the public outcry from it they of course denied having it because it would make their earlier decision in the Rice case look ridiculous in comparison to what the mass public expects. So, you deny having it to try and save face and offer these harsh reactionary punishments. If they didn't have it then it offers much worse questions IMO. We now have the NFL playing sole arbitrator in DV cases per their recent rule change and you're telling me they don't even have the wherewithal to actually uncover all the facts and relevant information before making decisions? They never even thought it relevant enough to ASK the casino for the video... Yeah, that is now being floated out there by the actual casino. The NFL didn't even think it worth their time to ask for it.... Yet they made a decision that would greatly impact a team and player.

This smells of incompetence or coverup/backtracking.