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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
No I don't.
However, I do think BB is about to find out that this Commissioner has a different policing strategy than his predecessor.
I look forward to the remainder of the season based on the assumption of another strong performance by my Patriots which won't be explainable by the haters in terms of "monkey business" after Week 1.
However, I do think BB is about to find out that this Commissioner has a different policing strategy than his predecessor.
I look forward to the remainder of the season based on the assumption of another strong performance by my Patriots which won't be explainable by the haters in terms of "monkey business" after Week 1.
nerangers
Footballguy
This is the Patriots we are talking about...I could care less what the rest of the league does. We shouldn't have to resort to schemes to give us an edge over our competition. As a Pats fan I am ashamed of BB...
As for Rodney...I think he is in good company...he definitely is not alone!
As for Rodney...I think he is in good company...he definitely is not alone!
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Banger
Footballguy
no. to your first question, this year - yes.Alsoo you think Rodney Harrison is the only player to use performance enhancing drugs?
chris1969
Footballguy
And getting away with it for years despite some other teams knowing that you do it? Yes
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
And now tainting their wins. Yes.
do you really think if the league were out to get the Pats, and set this up as a bust, they would have done so following an off-season of such turmoil?
have other teams or players done it, who knows. I do knpow that doesn't make it right, AND this is the last thing Goodell needed after this off-season. I doubt this was on his objectives of things to deal with in week 1.
have other teams or players done it, who knows. I do knpow that doesn't make it right, AND this is the last thing Goodell needed after this off-season. I doubt this was on his objectives of things to deal with in week 1.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Now i know why Al Davis is so paranoid 
And now having their fans trying to downplay the offence. Yes.
PantherPower
Footballguy
no, the Raiders cheated when they beat the Skins in the SB...dirty @holes. 
Wow. What a waste of a topic. Just because others MAY have done this, does not make it any less illegal.Also
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I figure with a lot of these kinds of questions, they're asked in a way to imply that everyone does it--to sort of normalize the behavior--and, thus, suggest that the punishment shouldn't be so harsh. Hell, if everyone is doing it, they will say, why should WE be the ones getting the screws turned on us. I'm not sure if that's what the OP had in mind here, but I'm sure there are some NE fans who feel this way.
But, in this case, BB is the only one who got caught thus far. And, if it's a rule that the league wants to enforce, it doesn't matter how rampant the practice is. If anything, making an example of the one getting caught is an important option to (a) advertise that the league is prepared to enforce these rules and (b) to dissuade any future practices like this.
I think Goodell is going to come down pretty hard on the Pats. And, he damn well should.
But, in this case, BB is the only one who got caught thus far. And, if it's a rule that the league wants to enforce, it doesn't matter how rampant the practice is. If anything, making an example of the one getting caught is an important option to (a) advertise that the league is prepared to enforce these rules and (b) to dissuade any future practices like this.
I think Goodell is going to come down pretty hard on the Pats. And, he damn well should.
tombonneau
Footballguy
You really think that as a Colts fan? After Peter King was on the radio this morning saying the Colts are routinely accused of stealing signals?Are we really that hung up on the medium of a video camera?
HellToupee
Footballguy
Of course the Patriots aren't the only ones doing this but they seem to be the only ones arrogant enough to do it blatantly out in the open
bills025
Footballguy
This really pisses me off as an NFL fan. This league is about skill and the knowledge of how to use it to your advantage. Even though I am a Bills fan I have always thought BB was a genius with the Pats. And to wonder now about how long they have been doing this and whether they really are as good as they have been the last few years really really makes me mad. I thought the guy was a damn savant and now hes pulling this BS. 
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I think my answer is irrelevant as to whether or not they broke a league rule and should be punished.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
As a Colts fan? Where did you ever get that?Doesn't matter what I'm hung up on--it matters what the NFL is hung up on. Take it up with Goodell, since the Pats were the ones to break the rules, like about it, and the commish is p.o.'d.Curado Kev
Footballguy
Let's see..
Put money,competition and pride on the line = some cheaters..
Such is life, it would be something if they lose a few #1 draft picks..
I fish competitive bass fishing and there are always a few weasels who get caught cheating. A little Texas justice - Beat their ###...
I would like to know about the radio frequency issue, are they intercepting communications or jamming them ? Easier probably to intercept them, like every Nascar team out there.
This should be an interesting week, Ckev
Put money,competition and pride on the line = some cheaters..
Such is life, it would be something if they lose a few #1 draft picks..
I fish competitive bass fishing and there are always a few weasels who get caught cheating. A little Texas justice - Beat their ###...
I would like to know about the radio frequency issue, are they intercepting communications or jamming them ? Easier probably to intercept them, like every Nascar team out there.
This should be an interesting week, Ckev
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I think there are other teams who have done this...but it doesn't matter...no other team has been caught.
tombonneau
Footballguy
King was on Cowherd saying the Rex (or Rob?) Ryan told him the Colts were excellent at just this sort of signal stealing (not sure if it involved cameras).Not sure the outcry though. Little League teams steal signals.As a Colts fan? Where did you ever get that?Doesn't matter what I'm hung up on--it matters what the NFL is hung up on. Take it up with Goodell, since the Pats were the ones to break the rules, like about it, and the commish is p.o.'d.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
I'm going to take his topic at face value and not assume this is part of some larger point. Maybe he just wants to know if fans think these issues are pervasive or not? Who knowsNo and no, to answer Borat.Wow. What a waste of a topic. Just because others MAY have done this, does not make it any less illegal.Also
cobalt_27
Footballguy
You're still can't get beyond this, can you? We could argue the reasons all night as to why there's a difference. But, at the end of it, all that matters is they broke league rules doing it this way. They could have done exactly as you suggested, and it would have been legal. But, clearly, they felt this method gave them more information, or else they wouldn't have risked impending sanction by the league, which felt the practice was worthy of outlawing it.Hence, they're going to face some penalties here. As they should.King was on Cowherd saying the Rex (or Rob?) Ryan told him the Colts were excellent at just this sort of signal stealing (not sure if it involved cameras).Not sure the outcry though. Little League teams steal signals.As a Colts fan? Where did you ever get that?Doesn't matter what I'm hung up on--it matters what the NFL is hung up on. Take it up with Goodell, since the Pats were the ones to break the rules, like about it, and the commish is p.o.'d.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Of course not but what difference does that make.And regardless if the Pats are the only team or not, until someone else gets caught, the perception is going to be that they are. This is just going to be ammo for the haters and really what can you say, there is no defending it. It was unnecesary and now they just look dirty.Also
DeCleater
Footballguy
Do you think Mangini may have known about the taping from his time in NE. He probably had had enough of it coaching on the other sideline and had his people confiscate the tape for the evidense he needed to take to the commish. Now the NY-NE rivalry is truly on. BB vs Mangini handshake in a steel cage. This could get very ugly the next few years. This could get to the Paul Brown - Art Modell level.
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Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Yeah, I am inclined to believe this.I agree the rivalry between them is going to be pure hate and soon.
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
SSOG
Moderator
Not true at all. For all we know, every other team has been caught doing this dozens of times. I mean, we found out that New England had been found guilty of this very practice with the exact same cameraman last season in Green Bay (of all places- you only play them once every four years!). I had never heard that before, so I'm inclined to believe there could have been numerous other examples that I'd likewise never heard of. Or maybe this has only happened twice, and it was the Patriots both times. All I do know is that either the Patriots were the most flagrant offenders, the most recent offenders, or the first offenders to get outed by the media. One of those three has to be true, or else we wouldn't be talking about them right now.Regardless, I think this is totally keeping in character with the entire Belichick era. His entire tenure has been marked with crass behavior. He's been flouting the rules ever since he decided to start listing Brady as probable on every injury report. He's shown that he's willing to sink to any depth necessary to wring even the slightest drop of advantage out of a situation, waving away potential help from his injured players, refusing to let his assitants speak to the media, blatantly lying on injury reports (such as having Corey Dillon dress for a game and then declaring him inactive), etc.Do I think this taints any of New England's wins? Nope. I think Belichick won because he did what he did better than his opponents. I also think he's had a healthy dose of luck, because ultimately, any team that wins is the beneficiary of luck. Some coaches never see their star QB injured, while others lose every QB on their opening-day depth chart to injury by season's end. I think that, in the end, all of his stupid games give him minimal advantage at best. Does this taint New England's reputation? Not at all- I've known for years that they were classless cheaters.The saddest part of this is that Belichick doesn't NEED to do all this crap to win. Look at Cowher, Gibbs, Shanahan, Reid, and Vermeil- just a few on a long list of coaches who have achieved overwhelming success while acting with honor, integrity, and honesty.Also, please note that I left Fisher and Dungy off that list on purpose. They might have more media-friendly images, but they pull almost as much crap as Belichick does. Check their injury reports sometime and see if you really believe that they're being honest instead of thumbing their noses at the rules in an effort to wring every last drop of advantage out of a situation.
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Yes. They may not be the only team in the history of the NFL to have done it, but I tend to believe they're the only team that's doing it today.
And the real question is,
Did we really need to open yet another thread on this?
I'm gonna go ahead and say no.
And the real question is,
Did we really need to open yet another thread on this?
I'm gonna go ahead and say no.
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I agree.Maybe I'm old school, but I thought Belichick did something pretty classless in the Jets game that no one noticed or commented about. With the Pats up 31-14 very late in the game and at the Jets goal line (I think it was with about 2:00 to go), they brought in Vrabel and Seau for their goal line package for the first time all game, and made them both eligible.Is that illegal? Of course not. Is there anything wrong with using the two LBs in the goal line package at any point in the game? Nope. But it doesn't seem classy to me to do that. It's not the same thing, but I saw that Norv Turner chose to kneel the ball instead of scoring a late TD against the Bears.Bottom line? No one ever will confuse Belichick with being classy. And he certainly seems to have no problem escalating it against the Jets. So yeah, I think the rivalry is going to turn it up a notch, and that's really saying something. I've got no doubt that the action wasn't lost on Mangini -- I saw his face and it was a "gimme a f'n break".
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
:whoosh: I remember a little while ago there was a thread on the classlessness of the Pats. If I remember correctly most simply thought BB was classless, some thought the Pats in general were classless, and a few thought there wasn't any problem. This is only going to further the view of the classlessness of at least BB, if not the organization.
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