Does age matter for rookies? (1 Viewer)

[Rev]

Rice and Jarret each are 20 years old right now, while a guy like Meachem is 2 full years older. In a dynasty format, do you take this into consideration at all?

 

[Christo]

Rice and Jarret each are 20 years old right now, while a guy like Meachem is 2 full years older. In a dynasty format, do you take this into consideration at all?

No.

 

[Dhizz]

Rice and Jarret each are 20 years old right now, while a guy like Meachem is 2 full years older. In a dynasty format, do you take this into consideration at all?

Yes.

 

[Sabertooth]

No, I generally let anybody with $100 into my league.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Rice and Jarret each are 20 years old right now, while a guy like Meachem is 2 full years older. In a dynasty format, do you take this into consideration at all?

No

 

[FantasyTrader]

Nope. I probably should, but just don't.

 

[Slinger]

What about John Beck. I believe he's 27.

 

[-OZ-]

What about John Beck. I believe he's 27.

This, and Chris Weinke, I would take into consideration.Anything under 24 as a rookie, and I don't really care. It is something to remember a few years from now, when you're comparing ages of 26-28 year olds, the 28 and the 26 year old might just have the same wear and tear on them.

 

[Ozymandias]

Most rookies will never become stars. How old they are is essentially irrelevant. The decline in their skills is so far off, that too many things can happen in the intervening years.

 

[Bri]

once I'm done weighting their choice in jersey # then I consider their age. Ya gotta be thorough

 

[Riffraff]

In terms of late bloomers (Beck, Weinke, Morency, etc) - yes.

If it's a guy like Okoye or Alex Smith - yes

But normal 20-24 year olds - not much.

 

[Biabreakable]

I do think if the player is especially young you should be prepared for it possibly taking them longer to reach thier potential. Alex Smith of the 9ers for example. Reggie Williams of Jax is another one.

And then the older rookies like Morency Weinke ect. should be considered also.

But for the most part no it does not matter until later on in thier careers if they last that long.

 

[thecardiackid]

Rice and Jarret each are 20 years old right now, while a guy like Meachem is 2 full years older. In a dynasty format, do you take this into consideration at all?

I did, (sort of). I just took both Rice/Jarret in a dynasty startup. But after Meachem/Bowe were already takenRice in the 10th @ pick 113Jarret in the 12th @ pick 137Rice (allegedly) would have been a top 15 pick had he stayed in school for another year. The same could probably be said for Jarret (guessing). It's still a crapshoot @ WR though. And you need to be prepared to sit on them for 2/3 years for ROI.Both Rice & Jarret are in good situations, but so are Bowe/Meachem to an extent. I compare it to the NBA draft (a little) when teams are taking HS or foreign studs. Some turn into Kobe, others aren't prepared. But we're talking about 20+ vs. 17/18 year olds - who have dominated @ the college level.Bottom line - in dynasty - it can't hurt to have a guy 2 years younger. But there's a lot of other considerations (opportunity/skills/surrounding talent, etc.) that go into deciding who to take.

 

[RC94]

With an exception, like Beck, it can come into consideration. He will be approaching 30 by the time he gets a chance to start (if he gets a chance to start). Otherwise, maybe at RB since there is a shorter shelf life for that position than others, but mainly if the player is in the normal age range for a rookie I don't really think about it. Specifically with Rice and Jarrett vs. Meacham, I wouldn't consider it a factor.

 

[TecmoBeast]

age matters to me. Thinking positively, it's a real gold mine if your guy starts producing right away. Trade value goes way up too

 

[cstu]

I don't think about it too much, but when a guy is much older than other rookies and doesn't stand out to me as having true star potential I tend to move him down a bit. For example, Higgins is the same age as Fitz (24) and I don't see him as a future #1 WR and would pass him over for younger guys who I think have more potential. I could be wrong on him but his age makes me wonder how much better he is going to get.

The advantage to drafting younger players is that even if they are busts, there will be people willing to give up something for the potential. Take Higgins (24) vs. Jarrett and Rice (21) - if all 3 of them equally fail to live up to expectations after 2 years then 23 year old Jarrett and Rice are still going to have value while a 26 year old Higgins won't be worth much.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Yes, i do, especially with RB's, who have a much shorter shelf life than other skill positions. For example, Stephen Jackson is younger than DeAngelo Williams, and SJax was drafted two years before him. Clinton Portis is two years younger than LJ, and was drafted the year before. When RB's start bucking 30, that is a BIG difference. For someone not to take something like that into account is not being as thorough as they should be.

 

[Christo]

Yes, i do, especially with RB's, who have a much shorter shelf life than other skill positions. For example, Stephen Jackson is younger than DeAngelo Williams, and SJax was drafted two years before him. Clinton Portis is two years younger than LJ, and was drafted the year before. When RB's start bucking 30, that is a BIG difference. For someone not to take something like that into account is not being as thorough as they should be.

The average RB only lasts for four years in the NFL. So much has to go right for one to be good enough and lucky enough to still be effective at 30 that it's ridiculous to even consider age unless you're talking about someone like Mike Anderson, who was 27 when he was a rookie.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Yes, i do, especially with RB's, who have a much shorter shelf life than other skill positions. For example, Stephen Jackson is younger than DeAngelo Williams, and SJax was drafted two years before him. Clinton Portis is two years younger than LJ, and was drafted the year before. When RB's start bucking 30, that is a BIG difference. For someone not to take something like that into account is not being as thorough as they should be.

The average RB only lasts for four years in the NFL. So much has to go right for one to be good enough and lucky enough to still be effective at 30 that it's ridiculous to even consider age unless you're talking about someone like Mike Anderson, who was 27 when he was a rookie.

I am not a Portis fan, but if he was 24 when he was drafted, he would be closing in on 30, and would not carry the same dynasty value as he does now.Am i suggesting avoiding "older" college RB's? of course not, but age should certainly be considered.

 

[Rev]

In the case of Bowe, Meacham, and Rice, when their situations are reasonably similar, I would think that age is a factor to help break the tie, but I'd pay attention to other factors first.

 

[MelKiperJr]

No, I generally let anybody with $100 into my league.

 

[SSOG]

Yes, i do, especially with RB's, who have a much shorter shelf life than other skill positions. For example, Stephen Jackson is younger than DeAngelo Williams, and SJax was drafted two years before him. Clinton Portis is two years younger than LJ, and was drafted the year before. When RB's start bucking 30, that is a BIG difference. For someone not to take something like that into account is not being as thorough as they should be.

Are you so sure that it's age that causes the decline in RBs, and not workload? Personally, I believe the reason RBs over 30 fall apart is because by the time they turn 30, they've accumulated a TON of wear and tear- not because there's some magical switch that their body turns on when they turn 30 that makes them more susceptible to injury or decline.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Yes, i do, especially with RB's, who have a much shorter shelf life than other skill positions. For example, Stephen Jackson is younger than DeAngelo Williams, and SJax was drafted two years before him. Clinton Portis is two years younger than LJ, and was drafted the year before. When RB's start bucking 30, that is a BIG difference. For someone not to take something like that into account is not being as thorough as they should be.

Are you so sure that it's age that causes the decline in RBs, and not workload? Personally, I believe the reason RBs over 30 fall apart is because by the time they turn 30, they've accumulated a TON of wear and tear- not because there's some magical switch that their body turns on when they turn 30 that makes them more susceptible to injury or decline.

I think they are both factors, but i think it is more age than anything else. Also, as people get older, they are certainly more susceptible to injuries. You can test this theory if you like, go knock down a ten year old girl, then knock down your grandmother, whom do you think is the more likely candidate for hip replacement surgery?

 

[Slinger]

Yes, i do, especially with RB's, who have a much shorter shelf life than other skill positions. For example, Stephen Jackson is younger than DeAngelo Williams, and SJax was drafted two years before him. Clinton Portis is two years younger than LJ, and was drafted the year before. When RB's start bucking 30, that is a BIG difference. For someone not to take something like that into account is not being as thorough as they should be.

Are you so sure that it's age that causes the decline in RBs, and not workload? Personally, I believe the reason RBs over 30 fall apart is because by the time they turn 30, they've accumulated a TON of wear and tear- not because there's some magical switch that their body turns on when they turn 30 that makes them more susceptible to injury or decline.

I think they are both factors, but i think it is more age than anything else. Also, as people get older, they are certainly more susceptible to injuries. You can test this theory if you like, go knock down a ten year old girl, then knock down your grandmother, whom do you think is the more likely candidate for hip replacement surgery?

I did this. They're both hurt. Now what?

 

[Couch Potato]

What about John Beck. I believe he's 27.

He's 25, not 27. Born 8/21/81.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Yes, i do, especially with RB's, who have a much shorter shelf life than other skill positions. For example, Stephen Jackson is younger than DeAngelo Williams, and SJax was drafted two years before him. Clinton Portis is two years younger than LJ, and was drafted the year before. When RB's start bucking 30, that is a BIG difference. For someone not to take something like that into account is not being as thorough as they should be.

Are you so sure that it's age that causes the decline in RBs, and not workload? Personally, I believe the reason RBs over 30 fall apart is because by the time they turn 30, they've accumulated a TON of wear and tear- not because there's some magical switch that their body turns on when they turn 30 that makes them more susceptible to injury or decline.

I think they are both factors, but i think it is more age than anything else. Also, as people get older, they are certainly more susceptible to injuries. You can test this theory if you like, go knock down a ten year old girl, then knock down your grandmother, whom do you think is the more likely candidate for hip replacement surgery?

I did this. They're both hurt. Now what?

Repeat until one of them doesnt get up.

 

[SSOG]

Yes, i do, especially with RB's, who have a much shorter shelf life than other skill positions. For example, Stephen Jackson is younger than DeAngelo Williams, and SJax was drafted two years before him. Clinton Portis is two years younger than LJ, and was drafted the year before. When RB's start bucking 30, that is a BIG difference. For someone not to take something like that into account is not being as thorough as they should be.

Are you so sure that it's age that causes the decline in RBs, and not workload? Personally, I believe the reason RBs over 30 fall apart is because by the time they turn 30, they've accumulated a TON of wear and tear- not because there's some magical switch that their body turns on when they turn 30 that makes them more susceptible to injury or decline.

I think they are both factors, but i think it is more age than anything else. Also, as people get older, they are certainly more susceptible to injuries. You can test this theory if you like, go knock down a ten year old girl, then knock down your grandmother, whom do you think is the more likely candidate for hip replacement surgery?

You're talking about a difference of 60 years. I'm talking about a difference of 2 years- the difference between 28-year-old RBs (who are in their prime), and 30-year-old RBs (who are "an injury waiting to happen). That's literally the perception- Tomlinson, who is 28, is considered "in his prime", but if he were 30, he'd be a walking red flag. This cannot be explained by the gradual and slow effects of aging on the body's regenerative processes (the biggest losses in that department occur earlier than age 30, anyway). The only theory, in my opinion, that really fits that mindset is the "magical lightswitch" theory.

 

[Dhizz]

What about John Beck. I believe he's 27.

He's 25, not 27. Born 8/21/81.

Well actually he's 26. (It doesn't really matter when his birthday is, people born in 1981 turn 26 in 2007 - which is the current year)

 

[Burning Sensation]

What about John Beck. I believe he's 27.

He's 25, not 27. Born 8/21/81.

Well actually he's 26. (It doesn't really matter when his birthday is, people born in 1981 turn 26 in 2007 - which is the current year)

WTF!?!?!?

 

[Burning Sensation]

Yes, i do, especially with RB's, who have a much shorter shelf life than other skill positions. For example, Stephen Jackson is younger than DeAngelo Williams, and SJax was drafted two years before him. Clinton Portis is two years younger than LJ, and was drafted the year before. When RB's start bucking 30, that is a BIG difference. For someone not to take something like that into account is not being as thorough as they should be.

Are you so sure that it's age that causes the decline in RBs, and not workload? Personally, I believe the reason RBs over 30 fall apart is because by the time they turn 30, they've accumulated a TON of wear and tear- not because there's some magical switch that their body turns on when they turn 30 that makes them more susceptible to injury or decline.

I think they are both factors, but i think it is more age than anything else. Also, as people get older, they are certainly more susceptible to injuries. You can test this theory if you like, go knock down a ten year old girl, then knock down your grandmother, whom do you think is the more likely candidate for hip replacement surgery?

You're talking about a difference of 60 years. I'm talking about a difference of 2 years- the difference between 28-year-old RBs (who are in their prime), and 30-year-old RBs (who are "an injury waiting to happen). That's literally the perception- Tomlinson, who is 28, is considered "in his prime", but if he were 30, he'd be a walking red flag. This cannot be explained by the gradual and slow effects of aging on the body's regenerative processes (the biggest losses in that department occur earlier than age 30, anyway). The only theory, in my opinion, that really fits that mindset is the "magical lightswitch" theory.

Assuming i am a Tomlinson owner in a dynasty league, i feel much better with the fact that he is 28, rather than 30.

 

[RC94]

Yes, i do, especially with RB's, who have a much shorter shelf life than other skill positions. For example, Stephen Jackson is younger than DeAngelo Williams, and SJax was drafted two years before him. Clinton Portis is two years younger than LJ, and was drafted the year before. When RB's start bucking 30, that is a BIG difference. For someone not to take something like that into account is not being as thorough as they should be.

Are you so sure that it's age that causes the decline in RBs, and not workload? Personally, I believe the reason RBs over 30 fall apart is because by the time they turn 30, they've accumulated a TON of wear and tear- not because there's some magical switch that their body turns on when they turn 30 that makes them more susceptible to injury or decline.

I think they are both factors, but i think it is more age than anything else. Also, as people get older, they are certainly more susceptible to injuries. You can test this theory if you like, go knock down a ten year old girl, then knock down your grandmother, whom do you think is the more likely candidate for hip replacement surgery?

You're talking about a difference of 60 years. I'm talking about a difference of 2 years- the difference between 28-year-old RBs (who are in their prime), and 30-year-old RBs (who are "an injury waiting to happen). That's literally the perception- Tomlinson, who is 28, is considered "in his prime", but if he were 30, he'd be a walking red flag. This cannot be explained by the gradual and slow effects of aging on the body's regenerative processes (the biggest losses in that department occur earlier than age 30, anyway). The only theory, in my opinion, that really fits that mindset is the "magical lightswitch" theory.

Assuming i am a Tomlinson owner in a dynasty league, i feel much better with the fact that he is 28, rather than 30.

I agree, in large part because by the time he is 30 he will have been hit hundreds more times than he has been at the age of 28.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

Unless the guy coming out of college is Thornton Melon, age isn't a big factor.

 

[Couch Potato]

What about John Beck. I believe he's 27.

He's 25, not 27. Born 8/21/81.

Well actually he's 26. (It doesn't really matter when his birthday is, people born in 1981 turn 26 in 2007 - which is the current year)

So a guy born 1/1/81 and 12/3181 are the same age? OK.

 

[Rev]

Assuming i am a Tomlinson owner in a dynasty league, i feel much better with the fact that he is 28, rather than 30.

This is partially due to the value assessment that most owners give to a player past the 30 mark. I sold Dunn at 28 or 29 for much more than I could sell him at 30, just because of the stigma attached to that barrier. Yet, it's also true that there are far less top notch players in their low 30s than their are in their late 20s. The physical decline is unavoidable and slows most players production after 30, though there are certainly exceptions (Harrison).

 

[Musesboy]

What about John Beck. I believe he's 27.

He's 25, not 27. Born 8/21/81.

Well actually he's 26. (It doesn't really matter when his birthday is, people born in 1981 turn 26 in 2007 - which is the current year)

This is true...If they are horses.

 

[FantasyTrader]

What about John Beck. I believe he's 27.

He's 25, not 27. Born 8/21/81.

Well actually he's 26. (It doesn't really matter when his birthday is, people born in 1981 turn 26 in 2007 - which is the current year)

So a guy born 1/1/81 and 12/3181 are the same age? OK.

He means he'll be 26 before anyone gives a crap what he does with a football. Good Lord people - step away from your VBD sheet for a moment and join us back in the real world.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I wouldn't say it makes a big difference, but consider this.

Portis came into the league at 20. If he had come into the league at 24, which some RBs do, instead and had the same career thusfar he would be 30 this season. Compare what his value would be in a dynasty league if he were 30 right now instead of 26...

 

[Couch Potato]

What about John Beck. I believe he's 27.

He's 25, not 27. Born 8/21/81.

Well actually he's 26. (It doesn't really matter when his birthday is, people born in 1981 turn 26 in 2007 - which is the current year)

So a guy born 1/1/81 and 12/3181 are the same age? OK.

He means he'll be 26 before anyone gives a crap what he does with a football. Good Lord people - step away from your VBD sheet for a moment and join back us in the real world.

F this place. I'm sick of it.

 

[coolnerd]

I wouldn't say it makes a big difference, but consider this.Portis came into the league at 20. If he had come into the league at 24, which some RBs do, instead and had the same career thusfar he would be 30 this season. Compare what his value would be in a dynasty league if he were 30 right now instead of 26...

This is interesting considering the reason Portis has been downgraded in some minds is because of injury i.e. 5 years of pounding on a relative small frame. He ended last year with a shoulder injury and this week there is talk about tendinitis (sp) in his knee.

 

[Doug Drinen]

I wrote an article on this about five years ago. Here it is.

I have an August birthday and graduated high school at 17. Had my parents started me in kindergarten a year later, it might possibly have been a better article. Or it might not. Tough to say.

 

[identikit]

I wrote an article on this about five years ago. Here it is.

I have an August birthday and graduated high school at 17. Had my parents started me in kindergarten a year later, it might possibly have been a better article. Or it might not. Tough to say.

 

[RC94]

I wrote an article on this about five years ago. Here it is.

I have an August birthday and graduated high school at 17. Had my parents started me in kindergarten a year later, it might possibly have been a better article. Or it might not. Tough to say.

I think it primarily depends on how many hits you would have taken in that extra year.

 

[Dhizz]

What about John Beck. I believe he's 27.

He's 25, not 27. Born 8/21/81.

Well actually he's 26. (It doesn't really matter when his birthday is, people born in 1981 turn 26 in 2007 - which is the current year)

So a guy born 1/1/81 and 12/3181 are the same age? OK.

He means he'll be 26 before anyone gives a crap what he does with a football. Good Lord people - step away from your VBD sheet for a moment and join back us in the real world.

F this place. I'm sick of it.

Oh dear God. Just don't take your ball with you, we don't want the site to shut down.He was born in August. He was born in 1981. The guy is 26. His 25th birthday was LAST YEAR.He's closer to 26 then 25. Happy? We don't need to check birthdays. 1981? 26. Done. If anyone refers to Beck as 26 before August 21st, I'm sure you'll be all over it.So I'm right. You're, clearly, wrong.

 

[Tick]

What about John Beck. I believe he's 27.

This, and Chris Weinke, I would take into consideration.Anything under 24 as a rookie, and I don't really care. It is something to remember a few years from now, when you're comparing ages of 26-28 year olds, the 28 and the 26 year old might just have the same wear and tear on them.

I agree.I think Vernand Morency was a relatively old rookie as well.

 

[Tick]

What about John Beck. I believe he's 27.

He's 25, not 27. Born 8/21/81.

Well actually he's 26. (It doesn't really matter when his birthday is, people born in 1981 turn 26 in 2007 - which is the current year)

So a guy born 1/1/81 and 12/3181 are the same age? OK.

He means he'll be 26 before anyone gives a crap what he does with a football. Good Lord people - step away from your VBD sheet for a moment and join back us in the real world.

F this place. I'm sick of it.

Oh dear God. Just don't take your ball with you, we don't want the site to shut down.He was born in August. He was born in 1981. The guy is 26. His 25th birthday was LAST YEAR.He's closer to 26 then 25. Happy? We don't need to check birthdays. 1981? 26. Done. If anyone refers to Beck as 26 before August 21st, I'm sure you'll be all over it.So I'm right. You're, clearly, wrong.

Nice job there, you really showed him, coming in here with facts and all... who does he think he is?Oh yeah, he's Couch Potato, and he's one of the guys to pay attention to in here.Sorry to play the elitist card here, but some names stick out as solid posters, and Couch Potato's one of them.

 

[Donnybrook]

Beck age doesn't concern me much because he is a QB. If he was an older RB or to a lesser extent WR that would be different. You have Favre and Green still capable of playing and they are 37 years old.

I think people will forget Becks age fairly quickly if he comes out playing like Mark Bulger or Romo. I know that is a big if. He hasn't learned the system and he didn't get drafted by a team that has weapons like Holt or TO etc.

 

[identikit]

What about John Beck. I believe he's 27.

He's 25, not 27. Born 8/21/81.

Well actually he's 26. (It doesn't really matter when his birthday is, people born in 1981 turn 26 in 2007 - which is the current year)

So a guy born 1/1/81 and 12/3181 are the same age? OK.

He means he'll be 26 before anyone gives a crap what he does with a football. Good Lord people - step away from your VBD sheet for a moment and join back us in the real world.

F this place. I'm sick of it.

Oh dear God. Just don't take your ball with you, we don't want the site to shut down.He was born in August. He was born in 1981. The guy is 26. His 25th birthday was LAST YEAR.

He's closer to 26 then 25. Happy? We don't need to check birthdays. 1981? 26. Done. If anyone refers to Beck as 26 before August 21st, I'm sure you'll be all over it.

So I'm right. You're, clearly, wrong.

Nice job there, you really showed him, coming in here with facts and all... who does he think he is?Oh yeah, he's Couch Potato, and he's one of the guys to pay attention to in here.

Sorry to play the elitist card here, but some names stick out as solid posters, and Couch Potato's one of them.

Very true...Id

 

[lions327]

The original question was about ROOKIES. For the most part, I don't care how old they are.

 

[Burning Sensation]

What about John Beck. I believe he's 27.

He's 25, not 27. Born 8/21/81.

Well actually he's 26. (It doesn't really matter when his birthday is, people born in 1981 turn 26 in 2007 - which is the current year)

So a guy born 1/1/81 and 12/3181 are the same age? OK.

He means he'll be 26 before anyone gives a crap what he does with a football. Good Lord people - step away from your VBD sheet for a moment and join us back in the real world.

That is not what he said, he said "It doesn't really matter when his birthday is, people born in 1981 turn 26 in 2007 - which is the current year" By that, he did not mean he will be 26 by the time the season starts. Im not sure what country you guys are from, but in the U.S., people do not turn another year older until their birthday.

 

[Yitbos69]

It matters more to me at the RB's position than it does for QB's,WR's or TE's. RB's just don't last as long.