Does anyone conceal carry on a regular basis? (1 Viewer)

[lombardi]

So back on topic... Lombardi... what are looking looking for with regards to your Carry pistol purchase? Size? Caliber? Any brands/models you're considering right now?

I think 9mm both for size and because I'm so new to it I think I need to do a lot of shooting to get somewhat proficient and 9mm is a lot cheaper than .45ACP or something else.

I have shot a Glock 17 and 19, a Sig Sauer but can't remember the model (9mm, similar in size to the gloc), and a guys 30yr old Taurus 1911 style that had a hammer on it and I don't know if I liked that.

I really liked the feel of the glock but I really don't like that it only has a trigger safety. I think I would be more comfortable with something that has another physical safety on it. The bigger one I shot better but would obviously be harder to conceal.

The sig trigger seemed really light, frighteningly so. I didn't shoot it as well either.

I am going to try finding/shooting Springfield XDM/XDS, an M&P both shield and full size, and a CZ regular and compact size.

These are all the guns that seem to get recommended a lot in the first gun, first conceal threads and articles. I think it's probably important to try a lot of different guns until I find something I'm really comfortable with and get to know what I like. A guy mentioned in a thread to find a gun I could quickly site and I didn't even know what he meant (I do now). I'm mostly looking for something that feels comfortable in my hand, has a trigger I like, and that I can carry if I want. I'm not even going to start carrying right away so that's not even as important. I'm guessing like anything else (guitars, surfboards, etc..) you don't know what you like until you do it for a little while. My first gun wont be my last gun.

My wife also has to like it to (she liked the big glock). She is going to shoot with me and get a concealed permit because she takes the kids into the woods a lot in the summer when kids are off school and I'm working. She'll eventually get her own but until then she'll use what I get.

The problem is that it isn't cheap renting and buying the range ammo. I don't really know anyone locally that shoots yet so I'm going to try to find a club or some kind of gathering or show or something. Somewhere that I could try a few things and at least get an idea of what I may like or definitely don't like so I could narrow it down and then spend some time shooting. Right now I know glock is yes, sig is no, and I don't know if I like the 1911 with the hammer on it. Not sure why you would have a semi-automatic but want a hammer on the back? I guess I just don't know enough yet.

Any suggestions?

 

[Bucky86]

Hehehe. She likes the big glock

 

[lombardi]

Hehehe. She likes the big glock

Careful dude, that's my wife. Don't make me shoot you

 

[The Commish]

SC legislators don't think training is necessary to carry a concealed weapon

 

[The Commish]

I live in such an ### backwards state

 

[pantherclub]

The perception of guns is ruined by people like that Florida politician who said he needed to carry his around all the time for protection. I'm sorry, but that's laughable in his case and there are plenty of other cases of similar gun nuts doing the same. They just look like idiots who have no perception of reality.

There are, however, plenty of cases where carrying a gun makes sense for people, and I think I would include most or all of the FBG experiences posted here in that category.

I'm not sure if my stance makes me anti-gun or not.

example?

Two of them in this thread, for one. After reading the discussion, I side with the guy who used his to get the threatening guy away from his car and family, as well as the guy whose wife showed hers to keep her former attacker away.

A mad guy at a car wash is a reason to carry a concealed gun?????

Also didnt he break the law brandishing it? Also there seems to be a lot more to the rape story then what he simply posted.

Some of you guys are nuts

 

[jwb]

Leaving all gun law arguments or similar out of it, I almost have a hard time understanding why, given the way society is, you wouldn't want to carry.

I'm not interested in the argument whether guns are good for society or not. In fact, as a CC guy, I'll agree that in a perfect world, the general public shouldn't have handguns/etc. If I could push a button and make that so, I would.

But we don't live in that world. We instead live in a world where teenagers killed someone because they were bored. Where people shoot up movie theaters, schools, and malls because they are fed up with life. Where it's no longer a wild stretch of the imagination that a gang of teens might just single out a family in a parking lot "just because".

These things may never happen. Then again, they may. Someone shot up the mall a mile from my house a few years ago. Nobody was killed, so it made the news for about ten minutes. But the fact is, it happened, and it happened close to home.

I'm not worried about fighting/etc. I'm 5'11, 220, and strong. I'm not seen as an easy target there. I still carry, not because I'm afraid of any one dude, I'm afraid of what we've become.

Now you could argue that my carrying is part of what we've become. Fair enough. I'll refer back to my "push the button" statement above. When nobody else has guns, I'll be fine without mine as well. I'll even support/vote for more stringent background checks, and automatic 10-year prison terms for any unlicensed gun (a penalty which might make your average criminal think twice). I live in NY, and it took quite a bit to get my CC. I'd prefer everyone having to go through that.

I've been carrying for years. I've never once pulled it out, and I hope to never have to. If I can, I will look to avoid any situation where it may become necessary - if I see some unruly group bothering people outside of somewhere I want to go, I'll just leave. But I like having it, just in case I do need it for that one-in-a-million event.

If I'm cornered, and there's no choice, I'd rather have a gun than not have one. Can anyone really dispute that reasoning? Or are you 100% banking on "I'll never be in that situation"?

 

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So back on topic... Lombardi... what are looking looking for with regards to your Carry pistol purchase? Size? Caliber? Any brands/models you're considering right now?

I think 9mm both for size and because I'm so new to it I think I need to do a lot of shooting to get somewhat proficient and 9mm is a lot cheaper than .45ACP or something else.

I have shot a Glock 17 and 19, a Sig Sauer but can't remember the model (9mm, similar in size to the gloc), and a guys 30yr old Taurus 1911 style that had a hammer on it and I don't know if I liked that.

I really liked the feel of the glock but I really don't like that it only has a trigger safety. I think I would be more comfortable with something that has another physical safety on it. The bigger one I shot better but would obviously be harder to conceal.

The sig trigger seemed really light, frighteningly so. I didn't shoot it as well either.

I am going to try finding/shooting Springfield XDM/XDS, an M&P both shield and full size, and a CZ regular and compact size.

These are all the guns that seem to get recommended a lot in the first gun, first conceal threads and articles. I think it's probably important to try a lot of different guns until I find something I'm really comfortable with and get to know what I like. A guy mentioned in a thread to find a gun I could quickly site and I didn't even know what he meant (I do now). I'm mostly looking for something that feels comfortable in my hand, has a trigger I like, and that I can carry if I want. I'm not even going to start carrying right away so that's not even as important. I'm guessing like anything else (guitars, surfboards, etc..) you don't know what you like until you do it for a little while. My first gun wont be my last gun.

My wife also has to like it to (she liked the big glock). She is going to shoot with me and get a concealed permit because she takes the kids into the woods a lot in the summer when kids are off school and I'm working. She'll eventually get her own but until then she'll use what I get.

The problem is that it isn't cheap renting and buying the range ammo. I don't really know anyone locally that shoots yet so I'm going to try to find a club or some kind of gathering or show or something. Somewhere that I could try a few things and at least get an idea of what I may like or definitely don't like so I could narrow it down and then spend some time shooting. Right now I know glock is yes, sig is no, and I don't know if I like the 1911 with the hammer on it. Not sure why you would have a semi-automatic but want a hammer on the back? I guess I just don't know enough yet.

Any suggestions?

I'm with you on 9mm... much cheaper to shoot than 45ACP, and ballistically it has been proven to be as effective as .40cal and arguably going to be more accurate than 45ACP for most shooters given the diminished recoil. Particularly for 2nd and 3rd shots.

Glock has a slightly different grip angle than many handguns which leads to a different feel. It also leads to some folks shooting better/worse with it than other platforms. I'm with you regarding Sig.... they make fine handguns but they're not my preference and I'm not as accurate with them.

If you're liking the 9mm Glock platform, try to shoot a 26 (9mm subcompact full width) and Glock 43 (9mm subcompact single stack)... particularly as a carry piece. The 43 is likely to be a more direct competitor to the M&P Shield with regards to size/function/capacity.

For cheap ammo... check out Gunbot and Slickguns. I have a source locally for extremely affordable ammo via military connections, but shipping ammo is cost prohibitive.

Example: $245 for 1250 9mm factory reloads with $10 shipping.

 

[jwb]

So back on topic... Lombardi... what are looking looking for with regards to your Carry pistol purchase? Size? Caliber? Any brands/models you're considering right now?

I think 9mm both for size and because I'm so new to it I think I need to do a lot of shooting to get somewhat proficient and 9mm is a lot cheaper than .45ACP or something else.

I have shot a Glock 17 and 19, a Sig Sauer but can't remember the model (9mm, similar in size to the gloc), and a guys 30yr old Taurus 1911 style that had a hammer on it and I don't know if I liked that.

I really liked the feel of the glock but I really don't like that it only has a trigger safety. I think I would be more comfortable with something that has another physical safety on it. The bigger one I shot better but would obviously be harder to conceal.

The sig trigger seemed really light, frighteningly so. I didn't shoot it as well either.

I am going to try finding/shooting Springfield XDM/XDS, an M&P both shield and full size, and a CZ regular and compact size.

These are all the guns that seem to get recommended a lot in the first gun, first conceal threads and articles. I think it's probably important to try a lot of different guns until I find something I'm really comfortable with and get to know what I like. A guy mentioned in a thread to find a gun I could quickly site and I didn't even know what he meant (I do now). I'm mostly looking for something that feels comfortable in my hand, has a trigger I like, and that I can carry if I want. I'm not even going to start carrying right away so that's not even as important. I'm guessing like anything else (guitars, surfboards, etc..) you don't know what you like until you do it for a little while. My first gun wont be my last gun.

My wife also has to like it to (she liked the big glock). She is going to shoot with me and get a concealed permit because she takes the kids into the woods a lot in the summer when kids are off school and I'm working. She'll eventually get her own but until then she'll use what I get.

The problem is that it isn't cheap renting and buying the range ammo. I don't really know anyone locally that shoots yet so I'm going to try to find a club or some kind of gathering or show or something. Somewhere that I could try a few things and at least get an idea of what I may like or definitely don't like so I could narrow it down and then spend some time shooting. Right now I know glock is yes, sig is no, and I don't know if I like the 1911 with the hammer on it. Not sure why you would have a semi-automatic but want a hammer on the back? I guess I just don't know enough yet.

Any suggestions?

I'm with you on 9mm... much cheaper to shoot than 45ACP, and ballistically it has been proven to be as effective as .40cal and arguably going to be more accurate than 45ACP for most shooters given the diminished recoil. Particularly for 2nd and 3rd shots.

Glock has a slightly different grip angle than many handguns which leads to a different feel. It also leads to some folks shooting better/worse with it than other platforms. I'm with you regarding Sig.... they make fine handguns but they're not my preference and I'm not as accurate with them.

If you're liking the 9mm Glock platform, try to shoot a 26 (9mm subcompact full width) and Glock 43 (9mm subcompact single stack)... particularly as a carry piece. The 43 is likely to be a more direct competitor to the M&P Shield with regards to size/function/capacity.

For cheap ammo... check out Gunbot and Slickguns. I have a source locally for extremely affordable ammo via military connections, but shipping ammo is cost prohibitive.

My next handgun purchase will be a 9mm. Not sure which yet, but I don't have one, and would like one.

I currently carry a Rugar LCP 380. I like the very small size, and 380 is strong enough (imho). Some may argue, but I'd wager a 380 will make someone stop doing what they were doing.

 

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I live in such an ### backwards state

Yeah.. I'm glad TN at least requires a day long class for training with some range time. However 50 rounds isn't really enough, IMO. I'd endorse making folks go through a little more training and even show X range hours a year to maintain certification. Unfortunately that requires manpower to verify/enforce so it's unlikely to ever happen.

 

[lombardi]

So back on topic... Lombardi... what are looking looking for with regards to your Carry pistol purchase? Size? Caliber? Any brands/models you're considering right now?

I think 9mm both for size and because I'm so new to it I think I need to do a lot of shooting to get somewhat proficient and 9mm is a lot cheaper than .45ACP or something else.

I have shot a Glock 17 and 19, a Sig Sauer but can't remember the model (9mm, similar in size to the gloc), and a guys 30yr old Taurus 1911 style that had a hammer on it and I don't know if I liked that.

I really liked the feel of the glock but I really don't like that it only has a trigger safety. I think I would be more comfortable with something that has another physical safety on it. The bigger one I shot better but would obviously be harder to conceal.

The sig trigger seemed really light, frighteningly so. I didn't shoot it as well either.

I am going to try finding/shooting Springfield XDM/XDS, an M&P both shield and full size, and a CZ regular and compact size.

These are all the guns that seem to get recommended a lot in the first gun, first conceal threads and articles. I think it's probably important to try a lot of different guns until I find something I'm really comfortable with and get to know what I like. A guy mentioned in a thread to find a gun I could quickly site and I didn't even know what he meant (I do now). I'm mostly looking for something that feels comfortable in my hand, has a trigger I like, and that I can carry if I want. I'm not even going to start carrying right away so that's not even as important. I'm guessing like anything else (guitars, surfboards, etc..) you don't know what you like until you do it for a little while. My first gun wont be my last gun.

My wife also has to like it to (she liked the big glock). She is going to shoot with me and get a concealed permit because she takes the kids into the woods a lot in the summer when kids are off school and I'm working. She'll eventually get her own but until then she'll use what I get.

The problem is that it isn't cheap renting and buying the range ammo. I don't really know anyone locally that shoots yet so I'm going to try to find a club or some kind of gathering or show or something. Somewhere that I could try a few things and at least get an idea of what I may like or definitely don't like so I could narrow it down and then spend some time shooting. Right now I know glock is yes, sig is no, and I don't know if I like the 1911 with the hammer on it. Not sure why you would have a semi-automatic but want a hammer on the back? I guess I just don't know enough yet.

Any suggestions?

I'm with you on 9mm... much cheaper to shoot than 45ACP, and ballistically it has been proven to be as effective as .40cal and arguably going to be more accurate than 45ACP for most shooters given the diminished recoil. Particularly for 2nd and 3rd shots.

Glock has a slightly different grip angle than many handguns which leads to a different feel. It also leads to some folks shooting better/worse with it than other platforms. I'm with you regarding Sig.... they make fine handguns but they're not my preference and I'm not as accurate with them.

If you're liking the 9mm Glock platform, try to shoot a 26 (9mm subcompact full width) and Glock 43 (9mm subcompact single stack)... particularly as a carry piece. The 43 is likely to be a more direct competitor to the M&P Shield with regards to size/function/capacity.

For cheap ammo... check out Gunbot and Slickguns. I have a source locally for extremely affordable ammo via military connections, but shipping ammo is cost prohibitive.

Example: $245 for 1250 9mm factory reloads with $10 shipping.

What does single stack mean?

 

[lombardi]

I live in such an ### backwards state

Yeah.. I'm glad TN at least requires a day long class for training with some range time. However 50 rounds isn't really enough, IMO. I'd endorse making folks go through a little more training and even show X range hours a year to maintain certification. Unfortunately that requires manpower to verify/enforce so it's unlikely to ever happen.

In NC we had to attend the 8 hour class but the range certification was almost silly. We had to shoot at 7 and 10 yards, I think we shot maybe 7 shots, I'm not sure. It seemed like the instructor was more concerned to make sure the person knew how to shoot. The couple people who did poorly they coached and helped them with their stance and their trigger pull and got them to qualify. I had only shot two times prior and had no problem.

 

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My next handgun purchase will be a 9mm. Not sure which yet, but I don't have one, and would like one.

I currently carry a Rugar LCP 380. I like the very small size, and 380 is strong enough (imho). Some may argue, but I'd wager a 380 will make someone stop doing what they were doing.

380 is essentially a "neutered/shortned" 9mm... The reduction in powder (while keeping a similar size projectile) results in about a 40% reduction in muzzle energy for the round. This varies greatly from brand/round to brand/round.... but generally speaking a 380 is a significantly weaker round.

That said... is it enough? For most shots it is... if you're having to shoot through much clothing or auto glass, you might lose some effectiveness.

Comparison of 380 vs 9mm Critical Defense rounds

 

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What does single stack mean?

Single stack is just that... line of bullets. Double Stack has offset rounds to fit more ammo in the grip.

Most handguns are double-stack. Single stack results in a thinner pistol that can be easier to conceal... but some folks don't like the feel of it. Woman or people with small hands can benefit. The downside to single stack is lower capacity.

Profile of single stack vs double stack pistol.

 

[JHuber77]

Hi lombardi I have some questions in regard to your class:

1. Everything you stated was about YOU being in danger of being maimed, killed, raped, etc. What about other people? If you were to see a woman being raped or about to be raped, for instance, are you allowed to shoot the rapist? Do you have to warn him first? How does this work?

2. Under what conditions are you allowed to show your gun, even if you're not allowed to actually shoot it?

Everything I learned was specific to NC.

1. Yes, in any place where I'm allowed to shoot to protect myself I am also allowed to shoot when I put myself in the place of someone else. If I intervene and someone is being raped, beaten to gross bodily harm or death, i may shoot. He said that it's subjective but that the best indicator is if you need to think about it or if you have to act "or else". Basically if I'm debating whether this is bad enough I should probalby hold off. If I think something terrible is about to happen or someone is being beaten or hurt mercilessly I can shoot.

Interestinly he laid out a scenario just like that and said you have to be SUPER careful intervening because you don't know the circumstances. You walk into an ally and there is a man beating a woman senselessly or holding a gun to her your inclination could be to shoot but you don't know what just happened. Does she have a gun or weapon in the hand you can't see, was she with someone else who this guy just knocked out behind the wall you can't see. If the person your defending was the aggressor and you shoot the other person there is a good chance you're going to jail.

You don't have to warn someone before you shoot them. If you feel like you're about to die, suffer great bodily harm, or be raped you can just fire away and if someone else is going to suffer those things as well. There is something called force continuum. Verbal Commands, soft hands (grabbing, shoving), hard hands (striking), non lethal (pepper spray), and then deadly force. Police use this. He said people who are trained use this to try to keep form using deadly force bu that for the untrained any kind of hand to hand altercation puts you at risk of losing your weapon. He suggested to not reveal a weapon unless you feel you're going to need it and if you pull it be ready to use it. So you can yell stop I have a gun but you better be in a deadly situation because if the person comes at you you're going to have to shoot them. If it was just a street fight and a simple assault you're going to go to jail if you shoot, if you fight you could lose your gun and get killed so you've put yourself in a really bad position.

Everything changes in your home, workplace, or car. This is a stand your ground/castle state. So if someone breaks into your home or reaches for you in your car the assumption is given to you legally that they're there to do gross bodily harm or worse and you can shoot them with impunity as long as the threat is imminent. As soon as they surrender, stop the aggression, or run away you cannot fire. You can't shoot someone running away with your stuff. That's only for breaking and entering. If someone is just trespassing on your property you may NOT use deadly force. You can use non lethal weapons and hard hands, but not deadly force. So tazer, pepper spray, knock the guy around, but you can't kill him.

2. Showing your gun I think I kind of covered. You can do it but it's not a good idea. There is a law you're breaking, can't remember what it is called, if you start waving your gun around and threatening people if they're not being aggressive or causing an imminent danger to you or someone else. So basically if a drunk takes a swing at you, you certainly can't shoot him and I think it's a crime to pull your heater and stick it in his face. Although I'm not 100% sure.

Keep in mind these answers are the best I can remember them and they're from a legal standpoint, not a moral one. What they told me I legally can and can't do, not what I think you should or shouldn't do.

The law your referring to is called Menacing. And it is a felony. You can menace anyone with any sort of weapon.

 

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The law your referring to is called Menacing. And it is a felony. You can menace anyone with any sort of weapon.

Actually menacing by brandishing is typically a misdemeanor.

 

[Treynwreck3]

The perception of guns is ruined by people like that Florida politician who said he needed to carry his around all the time for protection. I'm sorry, but that's laughable in his case and there are plenty of other cases of similar gun nuts doing the same. They just look like idiots who have no perception of reality.

There are, however, plenty of cases where carrying a gun makes sense for people, and I think I would include most or all of the FBG experiences posted here in that category.

I'm not sure if my stance makes me anti-gun or not.

example?

Two of them in this thread, for one. After reading the discussion, I side with the guy who used his to get the threatening guy away from his car and family, as well as the guy whose wife showed hers to keep her former attacker away.

A mad guy at a car wash is a reason to carry a concealed gun?????

Also didnt he break the law brandishing it? Also there seems to be a lot more to the rape story then what he simply posted.

Some of you guys are nuts

Nope.

Sec. 9.04. THREATS AS JUSTIFIABLE FORCE.

The threat of force is justified when the use of force is justified by this chapter. For purposes of this section, a threat to cause death or serious bodily injury by the production of a weapon or otherwise, as long as the actor's purpose is limited to creating an apprehension that he will use deadly force if necessary, does not constitute the use of deadly force.

Sec. 9.22. NECESSITY

Conduct is justified if:

(1) the actor reasonably believes the conduct is immediately necessary to avoid imminent harm;

 

[JHuber77]

The law your referring to is called Menacing. And it is a felony. You can menace anyone with any sort of weapon.

Actually menacing by brandishing is typically a misdemeanor.

No its not. Displaying a gun is a felony. So is a knife, bat, etc

 

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The law your referring to is called Menacing. And it is a felony. You can menace anyone with any sort of weapon.

Actually menacing by brandishing is typically a misdemeanor.

No its not. Displaying a gun is a felony. So is a knife, bat, etc

What state are you referring to?

In NY (for example) it is a Misdemeanor

"MENACING SECOND DEGREE (A Misdemeanor) (Reasonable Fear of Injury; Weapon) PENAL LAW 120.14(1) (Committed on or after Nov. 1, 1995)1

The count is Menacing in the Second Degree. Under our law, a person is guilty of Menacing in the Second Degree when he or she intentionally places or attempts to place another person in reasonable fear of physical injury [or serious physical injury or death ] by displaying a deadly weapon [or 2 dangerous instrument] [or what appears to be a pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, machine gun or other firearm]."

In the VAST majority of states:

• Menacing by brandishing a firearm/weapon and putting someone in fear of harm is a misdemeanor.

• SHowing a firearm when you are personally under fear of significant harm is NOT menacing.

 

[JHuber77]

The law your referring to is called Menacing. And it is a felony. You can menace anyone with any sort of weapon.

Actually menacing by brandishing is typically a misdemeanor.

No its not. Displaying a gun is a felony. So is a knife, bat, etc

What state are you referring to? In NY (for example) it is a Misdemeanor

"MENACING SECOND DEGREE (A Misdemeanor) (Reasonable Fear of Injury; Weapon) PENAL LAW 120.14(1) (Committed on or after Nov. 1, 1995)1

The count is Menacing in the Second Degree. Under our law, a person is guilty of Menacing in the Second Degree when he or she intentionally places or attempts to place another person in reasonable fear of physical injury [or serious physical injury or death ] by displaying a deadly weapon [or 2 dangerous instrument] [or what appears to be a pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, machine gun or other firearm]."

Was thinking of Colorado. Crazy that its not that way in most states.

 

[tonydead]

The law your referring to is called Menacing. And it is a felony. You can menace anyone with any sort of weapon.

Actually menacing by brandishing is typically a misdemeanor.

No its not. Displaying a gun is a felony. So is a knife, bat, etc

What about a 3 foot long mag light?

 

[JHuber77]

The law your referring to is called Menacing. And it is a felony. You can menace anyone with any sort of weapon.

Actually menacing by brandishing is typically a misdemeanor.

No its not. Displaying a gun is a felony. So is a knife, bat, etc

What about a 3 foot long mag light?

Save the fishing trip for when you go on vacation

 

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Was thinking of Colorado. Crazy that its not that way in most states.

I disagree strongly that simply showing a firearm should result in the life-altering charges of a felony, but thats a debate for another thread.

Thankfully common sense prevails in most states.

 

[Drifter]

Your observation on the Sig trigger pull weight is skewed. I'm assuming that you were shooting a P226. It's a Double Action/Single Action pistol. The first trigger pull should be around 12 lbs which is quite heavy, however after you fire, or if you chamber a round manually and don't de-#### it, the trigger pull should be around 5 lbs. It's likely that you chambered a round and did not decock putting it into Single Action mode which is quite light. If you were shooting with an instructor, that's bad form on their part as you should always take your first shot on a DA/SA as though it was in its expected state of rest - ie decocked.

 

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Your observation on the Sig trigger pull weight is skewed. I'm assuming that you were shooting a P226. It's a Double Action/Single Action pistol. The first trigger pull should be around 12 lbs which is quite heavy, however after you fire, or if you chamber a round manually and don't de-#### it, the trigger pull should be around 5 lbs. It's likely that you chambered a round and did not decock putting it into Single Action mode which is quite light. If you were shooting with an instructor, that's bad form on their part as you should always take your first shot on a DA/SA as though it was in its expected state of rest - ie decocked.

Glock standard trigger is 5.5lbs IIRC. Buddy has his set down to 2.5lbs I believe. It's a little light for my taste on a safety-less pistol of that type. At least for daily carry purposes. For a range-queen, I'd be fine with it.

 

[Thunderlips]

Leaving all gun law arguments or similar out of it, I almost have a hard time understanding why, given the way society is, you wouldn't want to carry.

I'm not interested in the argument whether guns are good for society or not. In fact, as a CC guy, I'll agree that in a perfect world, the general public shouldn't have handguns/etc. If I could push a button and make that so, I would.

But we don't live in that world. We instead live in a world where teenagers killed someone because they were bored. Where people shoot up movie theaters, schools, and malls because they are fed up with life. Where it's no longer a wild stretch of the imagination that a gang of teens might just single out a family in a parking lot "just because".

These things may never happen. Then again, they may. Someone shot up the mall a mile from my house a few years ago. Nobody was killed, so it made the news for about ten minutes. But the fact is, it happened, and it happened close to home.

I'm not worried about fighting/etc. I'm 5'11, 220, and strong. I'm not seen as an easy target there. I still carry, not because I'm afraid of any one dude, I'm afraid of what we've become.

Now you could argue that my carrying is part of what we've become. Fair enough. I'll refer back to my "push the button" statement above. When nobody else has guns, I'll be fine without mine as well. I'll even support/vote for more stringent background checks, and automatic 10-year prison terms for any unlicensed gun (a penalty which might make your average criminal think twice). I live in NY, and it took quite a bit to get my CC. I'd prefer everyone having to go through that.

I've been carrying for years. I've never once pulled it out, and I hope to never have to. If I can, I will look to avoid any situation where it may become necessary - if I see some unruly group bothering people outside of somewhere I want to go, I'll just leave. But I like having it, just in case I do need it for that one-in-a-million event.

If I'm cornered, and there's no choice, I'd rather have a gun than not have one. Can anyone really dispute that reasoning? Or are you 100% banking on "I'll never be in that situation"?

I support concealed carry....but I think that we're much safer than we were in the past AND have less of a need to CC.

 

[pantherclub]

Who was the poster that always answered the door with a gun? He was on the Treyvon thread a lot

 

[lombardi]

Your observation on the Sig trigger pull weight is skewed. I'm assuming that you were shooting a P226. It's a Double Action/Single Action pistol. The first trigger pull should be around 12 lbs which is quite heavy, however after you fire, or if you chamber a round manually and don't de-#### it, the trigger pull should be around 5 lbs. It's likely that you chambered a round and did not decock putting it into Single Action mode which is quite light. If you were shooting with an instructor, that's bad form on their part as you should always take your first shot on a DA/SA as though it was in its expected state of rest - ie decocked.

I did #### the gun. I didn't realize it was double action. This was on my own at the range, not in the class. Thanks, I'll have to try it again.

 

[Drifter]

Your observation on the Sig trigger pull weight is skewed. I'm assuming that you were shooting a P226. It's a Double Action/Single Action pistol. The first trigger pull should be around 12 lbs which is quite heavy, however after you fire, or if you chamber a round manually and don't de-#### it, the trigger pull should be around 5 lbs. It's likely that you chambered a round and did not decock putting it into Single Action mode which is quite light. If you were shooting with an instructor, that's bad form on their part as you should always take your first shot on a DA/SA as though it was in its expected state of rest - ie decocked.

Glock standard trigger is 5.5lbs IIRC. Buddy has his set down to 2.5lbs I believe. It's a little light for my taste on a safety-less pistol of that type. At least for daily carry purposes. For a range-queen, I'd be fine with it.

That's ridiculous and very unsafe if that's a carry gun.

 

[Drifter]

Your observation on the Sig trigger pull weight is skewed. I'm assuming that you were shooting a P226. It's a Double Action/Single Action pistol. The first trigger pull should be around 12 lbs which is quite heavy, however after you fire, or if you chamber a round manually and don't de-#### it, the trigger pull should be around 5 lbs. It's likely that you chambered a round and did not decock putting it into Single Action mode which is quite light. If you were shooting with an instructor, that's bad form on their part as you should always take your first shot on a DA/SA as though it was in its expected state of rest - ie decocked.

I did #### the gun. I didn't realize it was double action. This was on my own at the range, not in the class. Thanks, I'll have to try it again.

The DA pull will be long and heavy - which is good from a safety perspective but takes getting used to when shooting. None of that really matters as a P226 and most DA/SA are full size service weapons and way too large for CC. You will probably find the Shield to your liking - small with a manual safety. The trigger is good for a striker fire but I still find it incredibly squishy. For a completely different feel check out a Sig P938. Will have a 1911 style action which will have a thumb safety and a much more crisp trigger. Also has a nice slim profile and grip.

 

[Clifford]

Every Day... Glock 26 9mm subcompact in a Kydex IWB from Concealment Express positioned around 4 o'clock on my right side.

Daily carry is an immense responsibility and one that ideally you'll never have to use.

IMO if you're concerned about comfort, start with a good holster. Consider a single stack mag subcompact like a Glock 43 or M&P Shield. It will help with printing as well as the "bulk" feel you're likely concerned about. Downside is you give up capacity. It's highly unlikely you'll ever need more than the 6 or 7 rounds of a single stack subcompact... but you never know.

Practice... practice..... Practice. You started down a good path with the CCW class. Once you purchase, seek out intro ad intermediate level pistol and conceal carry pistol classes from your local range or shooting group. I train with Ronin Combat Strategies as I've found their real world environment stuff to be 10x better than local range training, but anything is better than nothing. Just get familiar with your pistol... shooting, drawing, clearing a round, reloading, etc.

Comfort-wise, you'll always feel a fist sized hunk of steel strapped in your beltline... but with a good holster and time you definitely get used to it.

Only really becomes a problem when you have to ask the hostess at Chilis to store your AR-15. AMIRIGHT?!?!?

 

[Clifford]

Every day. I carry a Glock 22. It takes some getting used to, but I am very comfortable with it now. I do alot of long distance driving and it gives me peace of mind. I have only had to pull it once. I was at a hand carwash and was approached by a man who was aggressive and would not stop despite my verbal order to do so. Once I drew my weapon, he stopped. I don't want to think about what would have happened had I not been carrying. He obviously had mistaken me for somebody else.

You would have had to have fought him like a real man?

Or you could have told him "hey...I'm not the guy you are looking for."

or given him a dollar

 

[Bucky86]

Do you enjoy it when you #### the gun?

When you #### the gun does it release some inner tension?

Do you find it relaxing after you #### the gun?

Whats the proper force to use when you #### the gun?

 

[Scoresman]

I did #### the gun.

... and you say you're not a gun nut...

 

[Clifford]

the counterpoint to what I posted above is that in the movie Swingers, after that one guy flashed his piece at the uppity house of pain looking guys, they all became good buddies and ended up playing NHL 95 on the SNES together. so I'm not sure where I stand on this issue.

Sounds like your stance on the issue has evolved

 

[Gianni Verscotchie]

I carry almost all the time (NY). Usually my LCP 380, because it's so compact. Love this gun for CC.

In a perfect world, nobody in the general public would have guns. But until that world comes, and other people have them, I want one too.

I carry more or less as a defense against the hypothetical "what if". I have no illusions about winning a quick draw/etc (I don't keep my gun racked, so I'm losing any faceoff.) But I do want it for better protection for that "God Forbid" day that my wife and I are at the mall (etc) and shots are fired by some crazy person fed up with life.

I just bought an LCP today. Nice little gun. Went with the Crimson Trace version

 

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I just bought an LCP today. Nice little gun. Went with the Crimson Trace version

If i got one, I'd do the exact same thing, given the size of the pistol. Nice choice.

 

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Anyone looking for a great quality Kydex holster at a killer price, check out Concealment Express. About half the price of most other places and their work is top notch.

 

[timschochet]

So I have another question about concealed carry. I don't know how it works where I live in California, but suppose Im in a state like Texas or North Carolina where it's perfectly legal. If I'm in a mall or some public area with lots of people, what percentage of them are armed? A low number? A high number?

 

[Leviathan]

So I have another question about concealed carry. I don't know how it works where I live in California, but suppose Im in a state like Texas or North Carolina where it's perfectly legal. If I'm in a mall or some public area with lots of people, what percentage of them are armed? A low number? A high number?

Concealed carry is legal in California. I know this because I live in California and I have a CCW license. If you live in a major metropolitan area such as San Francisco or Los Angeles you will run into numerous hoops to jump through and unless you're either rich, famous or work for the court, you will likely be denied.

Smith and Wesson J-frame Airweight .38 Special with an extra speedloader.

ldskool:

 

[lombardi]

So I have another question about concealed carry. I don't know how it works where I live in California, but suppose Im in a state like Texas or North Carolina where it's perfectly legal. If I'm in a mall or some public area with lots of people, what percentage of them are armed? A low number? A high number?

It seems like a majority of people who carry keep it quiet. I posted a facebook picture of my son and I shooting and I was really surprised by some of the people who messaged me or made a comment about shooting. People I would have never guessed.

Also, in message forums and in the class it seems like keeping your concealed carry a secret (or concealed, duh) is a big deal to a lot of people. I'm guessing it's a lot more than you would think. Depends on where you live as well I'm sure. I lived in NJ and it's near impossible to get a conceal carry, same with NY. Down here there seems to be a LOT more guns. It's a real part of the culture I think.

It's funny I posted that picture and most of the people I've met down here asked me what I was shooting, how my son liked it, gave me some tips. I had some aunts and uncles up in Philly/NJ area flip out a little bit like I signed my kids up with the Hitler youth or something. Definitely a huge cultural difference, plus my family is mostly liberal/progressive. I think it was shocking to them to see someone in our family shooting a gun, let alone one of the kids. They'll probably try an intervention if I post a picture after taking my 9yo daughter to the range.

 

[matuski]

Leaving all gun law arguments or similar out of it, I almost have a hard time understanding why, given the way society is, you wouldn't want to carry.

I'm not interested in the argument whether guns are good for society or not. In fact, as a CC guy, I'll agree that in a perfect world, the general public shouldn't have handguns/etc. If I could push a button and make that so, I would.

But we don't live in that world. We instead live in a world where teenagers killed someone because they were bored. Where people shoot up movie theaters, schools, and malls because they are fed up with life. Where it's no longer a wild stretch of the imagination that a gang of teens might just single out a family in a parking lot "just because".

These things may never happen. Then again, they may. Someone shot up the mall a mile from my house a few years ago. Nobody was killed, so it made the news for about ten minutes. But the fact is, it happened, and it happened close to home.

I'm not worried about fighting/etc. I'm 5'11, 220, and strong. I'm not seen as an easy target there. I still carry, not because I'm afraid of any one dude, I'm afraid of what we've become.

Now you could argue that my carrying is part of what we've become. Fair enough. I'll refer back to my "push the button" statement above. When nobody else has guns, I'll be fine without mine as well. I'll even support/vote for more stringent background checks, and automatic 10-year prison terms for any unlicensed gun (a penalty which might make your average criminal think twice). I live in NY, and it took quite a bit to get my CC. I'd prefer everyone having to go through that.

I've been carrying for years. I've never once pulled it out, and I hope to never have to. If I can, I will look to avoid any situation where it may become necessary - if I see some unruly group bothering people outside of somewhere I want to go, I'll just leave. But I like having it, just in case I do need it for that one-in-a-million event.

If I'm cornered, and there's no choice, I'd rather have a gun than not have one. Can anyone really dispute that reasoning? Or are you 100% banking on "I'll never be in that situation"?

I'm banking on it being more likely the gun results in a bad result than a good one.. through human error, poor decision making, or just plain bad luck.

I'll put the odds of you ever needing at nearly the same odds as bad luck. That leaves human error and poor choices on the ledger.

 

[omally]

I live in such an ### backwards state

Yeah.. I'm glad TN at least requires a day long class for training with some range time. However 50 rounds isn't really enough, IMO. I'd endorse making folks go through a little more training and even show X range hours a year to maintain certification. Unfortunately that requires manpower to verify/enforce so it's unlikely to ever happen.

In NC we had to attend the 8 hour class but the range certification was almost silly. We had to shoot at 7 and 10 yards, I think we shot maybe 7 shots, I'm not sure. It seemed like the instructor was more concerned to make sure the person knew how to shoot. The couple people who did poorly they coached and helped them with their stance and their trigger pull and got them to qualify. I had only shot two times prior and had no problem.

In NC you have to shoot 30 rounds from 7 yards, and you have to make at least 21 of those rounds within the 7 ring or better. The concealed permits are generally for close encounters, which is why you train at close range. NC does a thorough background check once the state receives your application after taking the training course and being fingerprinted.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Every Day... Glock 26 9mm subcompact in a Kydex IWB from Concealment Express positioned around 4 o'clock on my right side.

Daily carry is an immense responsibility and one that ideally you'll never have to use.

IT WASN'T MY WAR!!

 

[Steve Tasker]

16 in the clip and one in the hole, Chris Cav is about to make some bodies turn cold.

Back up back up cause it's on, F-U-J-B and me, the Stevie to the T.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Conceal carry is for wimps. Open carry if you have real balls.

 

[Sand]

Moved from the gay marriage ruling thread:

It appears there may be a silver lining here for 2nd amendment proponents. According to Kennedy in the ruling:

"Under the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, no State shall “deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” The fundamental liberties protected by this Clause include most of the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights."

According to some reading this all concealed carry permits issued anywhere must be reciprocally recognized by every state. By that language I'd agree, though I wouldn't want to be the one to test this out in NYC.

Article here.

Nope. The SC has said that the only right guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment is the right to own a handgun, which is why no state can stop you from doing that. Beyond that, states are free to regulate as they see fit.

I think the point is that due to this ruling every state must respect the choice of any other state in their issuance of licenses as they are a reflection of 2nd amendment rights in the issuing state. The ability of each individual state to regulate itself is now moot (or at least constrained to that state's population). Just as now every state must recognize and respect gay marriage licenses from other states.

 

[IC FBGCav]

16 in the clip and one in the hole, Chris Cav is about to make some bodies turn cold.

Back up back up cause it's on, F-U-J-B and me, the Stevie to the T.

Just saw this for the first time.

 

[Chadstroma]

It appears there may be a silver lining here for 2nd amendment proponents. According to Kennedy in the ruling:

"Under the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, no State shall “deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” The fundamental liberties protected by this Clause include most of the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights."

According to some reading this all concealed carry permits issued anywhere must be reciprocally recognized by every state. By that language I'd agree, though I wouldn't want to be the one to test this out in NYC.

Article here.

Nope. The SC has said that the only right guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment is the right to own a handgun, which is why no state can stop you from doing that. Beyond that, states are free to regulate as they see fit.

I think the point is that the argument made through the 14th Amendment is what actually makes a difference here and it actually has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment. You can absolutely expect that this idea will be tested in the courts and soon. It will be interesting to see if/how this ruling ends up have legal ramifications that no one expected or perhaps even thought of.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Decided this was a decent place to post this:

A man with a permit to carry a firearm responded to a would-be robber with fatal gunfire on a Brooklyn Park street, authorities said Tuesday.

The two men exchanged gunfire about 8:05 p.m. Monday in the 7500 block of Imperial Drive, police said. Officers arrived at the scene and found on the ground the man who was attempting the robbery.

The person targeted for robbery has "a valid permit to carry a handgun" and was not arrested, said Deputy Police Chief Mark Bruley.

Officers recovered both guns at the scene as they continue to investigate the shooting.

Police have yet to disclose the identities of those involved in the confrontation.


 
Bruley said the man who died "goes back and forth between Brooklyn Park and Minneapolis. He's an individual we've known from previous contact. He certainly hangs out around here." Bruley declined to say more about that contact entailed.