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Andy Dufresne

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Decent article with 49er perspective.

Here's the list copied/pasted from the article. (I edited out the obvious "no way's")

This list is mostly a general list, as you can tell from the top of it, but I tried to adapt it to the 49ers’ possible post-Nolan/McCloughan needs and hopes.

* Pete Carroll/Bill Cowher Upper Division/

-Pete Carroll: Probably was the Yorks’ dream choice last time around, but Carroll was demanding too much money and power even at the start of the conversation.

So the Yorks gave Nolan the power but not much money, and he hired McCloughan, which was a nice decision. Could Pete get antsy at USC? I’ve always thought so, have been wrong for years, but this Reggie Bush investigation might be the lightning rod for Pete to get back to the NFL.

Still, Carroll’s no sure thing, and the Yorks would have to pay huge money (at least $5M a year for five years, plus $$ for a new GM, probably PC buddy Pat Kirwan) without any guarantees for success.

Conclusion: Again, the Carroll lure is there–he’s got flair, he knows how to identify and handle talent, and he’s a big-game coach–but it’s not likely to happen at those prices.

-Bill Cowher: Proven winner, pretty good game manager, unproven personnel skills. He’d run the whole show; it’d cost a ton. If the Yorks believe they have the talent and need a Great Coach, this is their guy–if they can stomach $6M a year and meet Pittsburgh’s likely compensation request.

Conclusion: The Yorks aren’t likely to pay the Vince Lombardi Trophy Premium (hey, if Pittsburgh wouldn’t rattle up the money for the guy who won it for them, why would the Yorks pay the guy who won it for somebody else?), plus they might not be too interested in paying multiple draft-pick compensation for a non-offensive guy.

-Bill Parcells: Always a possibility, but no.

* Notable College Coach Division/

-Bob Stoops: The Yorks know Stoops from his days in Youngstown, and he’s a squeaky clean proven winner who has admitted that at times he wonders about the world outside Norman, Okla.

Conclusion: He’s not Nick Saban, who flailed in Miami after a long college career, but Stoops could fit that model–would cost a ton, no NFL personnel history, might struggle with pro players and pro game plans, then run back when he lands the next great college offer.

** NEW NAME: Urban Meyer: Proven, new-style winner at Florida. Coached Alex Smith to full bloom at Utah. Would demand a ton of money, but if he’s interested, some NFL team will pay him. What about the Yorks? (Plus, NFC West is easier than SEC.)

* NFL Established Coach/Change of Scenery Division/

-Jon Gruden: Probably on his last legs with the Bucs. Fits perfectly into the we’ve-got-talent-need-a-damn-coach model. Mostly because Gruden did this before, winning a Super Bowl his first year in Tampa, coaching Tony Dungy’s players, then ruining the roster with Gruden’s dumb personnel ideas.

Conclusion: Good offensive and philosophical fit, but might cost too much and has the same agent as Nolan, so that’d be a tough negotiation. Another candidate who’d look a lot better if Nolan hangs on for one more season.

-Mike Holmgren: The Big Show is winding down in Seattle, and might look forward to a return home to the Bay Area. In fact, Holmgren was intrigued 4+ years ago, but was locked in contracturally.

Already makes too much, however, has personnel issues, and his ego might not fit in well with the Yorks’ ideas. Also has same agent as Nolan.

-Mike Shanahan: A great 49ers offensive coordinator, might be finally heading into his final year or two in Denver. But would cost too much and might have lost his touch about five years ago–hmm, just about the same time Terrell Davis retired.

-Marty Schottenheimer: Solid coach, never wins in the playoffs, remarkably conservative game management–sort of a rich man’s Nolan–so probably not worth the $5M price tag. But he will work again, no question.

-Jack Del Rio: Conservative, image-conscious, defensive-minded–Almost a Nolan clone, except Del Rio has had a few playoff runs. Another one who’d cost more than he’s worth, whether he leaves Jax on his own after this season or is pushed.

-Andy Reid: Created a New England-like template in Philly, then something broke a few years ago, and Reid hasn’t been able to put it back together. Offensive minded, tough, but has family issues and probably could use a year off. Also has Nolan’s agent.

* NFL Established Coach Now an Assistant Division/

-Mike Martz: Has Detroit’s offense up and around, so he’ll get interest this offseason, and he’s the exact opposite football personality as Nolan, which could be enticing for the Yorks. But Martz is too much Martz and the Yorks won’t like the blow-up potential. Martz also has Nolan’s agent.

-Jim Haslett: Current def-coor of the Rams, a little goofy; still, he’s respected. No chance the 49ers would want him.

* Rising NFL Assistant Division/

-Josh McDaniels: Can’t get any hotter for New England’s young (31), smart off-coor. He declined an interview request by the Raiders last year, so he’s very savvy. Tom Brady swears by him, I hear. Belichick won’t let his assistants talk to the media, so who knows about his personality.

No idea about personnel skills or defensive thoughts. He’s worth a look–as every GM with a vacancy will prove this offseason. McDaniels will cost a lot whenever he decides to make the move.

-Jason Garrett: First-year off-coor in Dallas, with worlds of potential. He’ll be a head coach within a few years, just not the right timing for the 49ers.

-Jim Schwartz: Tennessee def-coor was a finalist right behind Nolan last time around, and his statistics-based research still probably lingers in the Yorks’ memory banks. But they did def-coor last time, won’t do it back-to-back hires. Nolan is just as good or better than any candidate with that profile.

-Leslie Frazier: Vikings def-coor getting nice reviews replacing Mike Tomlin. Again: def-coor profile isn’t going to help him with 49ers.

-Brian Schottenheimer: Jets off-coor, a hot name, son of Marty, manages to get offense out of not much talent in NY. He’ll be hired by a team with a strong GM, which might rule out the 49ers, who like to hire the coach then have him hire the other execs.

-Russ Grimm: Asst HC in Arizona, offensive background, but probably not glamorous enough for 49ers.

-Rex Ryan: Balt def-coor. Somebody should hire him, won’t be the 49ers.

-Steve Fairchild: Buffalo off-coor, I think he’s pretty good, with limited talent on the roster. (See: Trent Edwards as a rookie QB. Hey, I thought it was supposed to take ALL QBs FOUR YEARS to be any good!) Unless he has a super agent, Yorks probably don’t even know who he is.

-Jim Mora Jr.: Seattle DBs coach, former 49ers def-coor. No way, but he will be a head coach again.

-Ron Rivera: SD LBs coach. Put him up there with the Ryan twins as talented future coaches that the 49ers won’t consider.

-Rob Chudzinski: Don’t know much about him, but the Clev off-coor has things cooking with Derek Anderson. Again: A back-up QB winning games! That’s impossible.

-Mike Singletary: 49ers asst-HC, no chance here, will be a head coach very soon, though 6-10 this season would cool off the immediate rush.

-Rob Ryan: Raiders def-coor, already mentioned.

-Tim Lewis: Carolina DBs coach was in the mix last time around. Not so much now. Still think he’ll get a shot at some point.

-Mike Heimerdinger: Denv asst-HC was another 49ers finalist in December 2004, when he was Tennessee’s off-coor. His rise has stalled a bit, especially since B. Schottenheimer has done so much more in NY than Heimerdinger did in 2005.

* Re-Tread Division/

-Denny Green: Always a candidate, 49ers/Bill Walsh ties… but no. N-O.

-Jim Fassel: Available, much more palatable as a Nolan power off-coor in 2008 than as head coach.

-Dennis Erickson: Hot first season at Arizona State! Offensive-minded! Big-game coach! Yes, he’d be perfect! Oh, the only person I could think of who’s more perfect would be…

-Steve Mariucci: Rested. Ready. Offensive-minded. Local ties. “Joe Millionaire” isn’t on the air any more.
 
Andy, which one do you think would be the best fit for the Vikings?

:hopeful:

 
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As a Vikings fan, I'd be excited for either Mooch or Schottenheimer.

Thinking of what Marty did with LT gives me goosebumps thinking about AP's potential.

 
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If USC had run the table this year, I would have bet that Carroll would leave. But now I think he stays a few more years: he wants one more shot at the title with the players he's recruited there

 
If USC had run the table this year, I would have bet that Carroll would leave. But now I think he stays a few more years: he wants one more shot at the title with the players he's recruited there
If it were me, I couldn't see any advantage to coaching in the NFL over coaching at USC. :goodposting:
 
Great article. As a guy who writes the Coaching Carousel for the site each year, I like to stay abreast of what's going on.

I would have a hard time accepting a college coach as a hire based on the results we've seen in the salary cap era. Give me a talented assistant coach that's been schooled under more than one head coach/system if I'm trying to build a program. If I feel I'm one proven coach away from a SB run or two, then I look hard at several of the current head coaches who might be up for a change of scenery.

 
Great article. As a guy who writes the Coaching Carousel for the site each year, I like to stay abreast of what's going on.

I would have a hard time accepting a college coach as a hire based on the results we've seen in the salary cap era. Give me a talented assistant coach that's been schooled under more than one head coach/system if I'm trying to build a program. If I feel I'm one proven coach away from a SB run or two, then I look hard at several of the current head coaches who might be up for a change of scenery.
AMEN! Who was the last coach to successfully go from the college ranks to the pros? Jimmy Johnson?
 
This brings up the always fun issue of, which NFL teams are likely to have new coaches in 2008? Last year 7 head coaches were replaced, and nine were swapped the year before.

Here are my $0.02, with the notion that things can/will change over the 2nd half of the season.

AFC East

*** New England: Bill Belichick

*** Miami: Cam Cameron

*** Buffalo: **** Jauron

*** New York Jets: Eric Mangini

NFC East

*** New York Giants: Tom Coughlin

*** Dallas Cowboys: Wade Phillips

*** Philadelphia Eagles: Andy Reid

*** Washington Redskins: Joe Gibbs

AFC West

*** Denver Broncos: Mike Shanahan

*** Kansas City Chiefs: Herm Edwards

*** Oakland Raiders: Lane Kiffin

*** San Diego Chargers: Norv Turner

NFC West

*** Arizona Cardinals: Ken Whisenhunt

*** Seattle Seahawks: Mike Holmgren

*** San Francisco 49ers: Mike Nolan

*** St. Louis Rams: Scott Linehan

AFC South

*** Houston Texans: Gary Kubiak

*** Jacksonville Jaguars: Jack Del Rio

*** Indianapolis Colts: Tony Dungy

*** Tennessee Titans: Jeff Fisher

NFC South

*** Atlanta Falcons: Bobby Petrino

*** Carolina Panthers: John Fox

*** New Orleans Saints: Sean Payton

*** Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Jon Gruden

AFC North



*** Cleveland Browns: Romeo Crennel

*** Cincinnati Bengals: Marvin Lewis

*** Baltimore Ravens: Brian Billick

*** Pittsburgh Steelers: Mike Tomlin

NFC North

*** Chicago Bears: Lovie Smith

*** Detroit Lions: Rod Marinelli

*** Minnesota Vikings: Brad Childress

*** Green Bay Packers: Mike McCarthy

Red = Clearly on the hot seat

Blue = The rest of the season needs to play out

Green = Safe barring a major change of circumstance

 
Great article. As a guy who writes the Coaching Carousel for the site each year, I like to stay abreast of what's going on.

I would have a hard time accepting a college coach as a hire based on the results we've seen in the salary cap era. Give me a talented assistant coach that's been schooled under more than one head coach/system if I'm trying to build a program. If I feel I'm one proven coach away from a SB run or two, then I look hard at several of the current head coaches who might be up for a change of scenery.
AMEN! Who was the last coach to successfully go from the college ranks to the pros? Jimmy Johnson?
Bill Walsh? :goodposting:
 
As a Vikings fan, I'd be excited for either Mooch or Schottenheimer.Thinking of what Marty did with LT gives me goosebumps thinking about AP's potential.
Have you already forgotten how well Mooch did without much talent in Detroit?
No. As bad as the Vikings are, I refuse to believe they're as disfunctional as the Lions were during Mooch's tenure.I still think he's a good coach. I may be wrong.
 
Great article. As a guy who writes the Coaching Carousel for the site each year, I like to stay abreast of what's going on.

I would have a hard time accepting a college coach as a hire based on the results we've seen in the salary cap era. Give me a talented assistant coach that's been schooled under more than one head coach/system if I'm trying to build a program. If I feel I'm one proven coach away from a SB run or two, then I look hard at several of the current head coaches who might be up for a change of scenery.
AMEN! Who was the last coach to successfully go from the college ranks to the pros? Jimmy Johnson?
Bill Walsh? :goodposting:
He was before JJ. And he was successful returning TO college.
 
Great article. As a guy who writes the Coaching Carousel for the site each year, I like to stay abreast of what's going on.

I would have a hard time accepting a college coach as a hire based on the results we've seen in the salary cap era. Give me a talented assistant coach that's been schooled under more than one head coach/system if I'm trying to build a program. If I feel I'm one proven coach away from a SB run or two, then I look hard at several of the current head coaches who might be up for a change of scenery.
AMEN! Who was the last coach to successfully go from the college ranks to the pros? Jimmy Johnson?
Bill Walsh? :wall:
He was before JJ. And he was successful returning TO college.
I was trying (and failing) to be sarcastic. :wall:

 
I'd say the Vikings need a new coach... :wall:

Though opponents find huge holes in the Vikings' pass defense, what do the Vikings practice? An out-of-bounds play on a kickoff based on an obscure rule.

By Jim Souhan, Star Tribune

If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, then the Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission needs to turn the Metrodome into the world's largest padded room.

Despite a new starting running back, a new hierarchy at quarterback and an opponent that should have brought out the best in their head coach, the Vikings managed to reprise all of the mistakes and continue all of the negative trends that have made them one of the worst teams in the NFL over the past 17 games.

In a 23-16 loss that leaves the Vikings at 2-5, and 4-13 in their past 17, they once again gave up a country mile in passing yards and failed to throw the ball effectively. The offense again scored a touchdown on the first drive, then went cleats up the rest of the game.

And, once again, Brad Childress looked overmatched on the sideline, this time getting outcoached by friend and former boss Andy Reid.

Childress, who during the week preaches the sanctity of timeouts, blew two with foolish challenges, the second providing insight into how he must spend his practice time.

It was 17-10 Eagles at the half. Philly kicked off to start the third quarter. Adrian Peterson, finally installed as the starting running back, was back to take the kick. The ball scooted toward the corner. Peterson rushed over and tried to place one foot out of bounds while fielding the ball. The officials ruled him out at the 1, leaving the Vikings with the worst possible field position.

Did Peterson make a mistake? No. He was obeying orders.

Childress said he coaches his return men, when the ball is kicked off toward a corner, to first place one foot out of bounds, then catch the ball. If done properly, Childress said, this would result in a penalty to the kicking team and the Vikings would get the ball on the 40.

In theory, this is fine. In reality, this forced a rookie to sprint toward the sideline while glancing up to check the coverage team and trying to do a Riverdance jig along the sideline while determining whether the ball was headed out of bounds or into the end zone.

What we have here is a team that rarely scores offensive touchdowns after the first drive of the game, yet spends practice time thusly confusing its own players, hoping a nebulous ruling can result in a slight field position advantage.

Wouldn't the Vikings' time be better spent learning the art of the forward pass?

Childress challenged the ruling on the field. He lost, leaving his progress-challenged offense stuck on the 1. It also cost his team a timeout that would have saved a few dozen valuable seconds at the end of the game.

"It's a little-known rule, particularly by you guys here, but if you put your foot out of bounds when you're worried about a ball that's going out of bounds and you're not sure, 'Is it staying in? Is it going through the end line? Do I sit and watch it?' -- the minute you put your foot out of bounds and possess the football, the football is out of bounds," Childress said.

Everyone in the room took a deep breath, then Childress said, "We coach our guys quite often on that fact."

This is endemic of Childress' tenure. The more picayune the detail, the more passionate he becomes. Since arriving in town, he has obsessed over silliness like media access and cloaking the identity of his starting quarterback.

Problem is, we always know who's playing quarterback any given week -- he's the guy with the glazed eyes and the phone-book-sized binder of "little-known rules."
Good lord. :wall:
 
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I'd say the Vikings need a new coach... :wall:

Though opponents find huge holes in the Vikings' pass defense, what do the Vikings practice? An out-of-bounds play on a kickoff based on an obscure rule.

By Jim Souhan, Star Tribune

If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, then the Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission needs to turn the Metrodome into the world's largest padded room.

Despite a new starting running back, a new hierarchy at quarterback and an opponent that should have brought out the best in their head coach, the Vikings managed to reprise all of the mistakes and continue all of the negative trends that have made them one of the worst teams in the NFL over the past 17 games.

In a 23-16 loss that leaves the Vikings at 2-5, and 4-13 in their past 17, they once again gave up a country mile in passing yards and failed to throw the ball effectively. The offense again scored a touchdown on the first drive, then went cleats up the rest of the game.

And, once again, Brad Childress looked overmatched on the sideline, this time getting outcoached by friend and former boss Andy Reid.

Childress, who during the week preaches the sanctity of timeouts, blew two with foolish challenges, the second providing insight into how he must spend his practice time.

It was 17-10 Eagles at the half. Philly kicked off to start the third quarter. Adrian Peterson, finally installed as the starting running back, was back to take the kick. The ball scooted toward the corner. Peterson rushed over and tried to place one foot out of bounds while fielding the ball. The officials ruled him out at the 1, leaving the Vikings with the worst possible field position.

Did Peterson make a mistake? No. He was obeying orders.

Childress said he coaches his return men, when the ball is kicked off toward a corner, to first place one foot out of bounds, then catch the ball. If done properly, Childress said, this would result in a penalty to the kicking team and the Vikings would get the ball on the 40.

In theory, this is fine. In reality, this forced a rookie to sprint toward the sideline while glancing up to check the coverage team and trying to do a Riverdance jig along the sideline while determining whether the ball was headed out of bounds or into the end zone.

What we have here is a team that rarely scores offensive touchdowns after the first drive of the game, yet spends practice time thusly confusing its own players, hoping a nebulous ruling can result in a slight field position advantage.

Wouldn't the Vikings' time be better spent learning the art of the forward pass?

Childress challenged the ruling on the field. He lost, leaving his progress-challenged offense stuck on the 1. It also cost his team a timeout that would have saved a few dozen valuable seconds at the end of the game.

"It's a little-known rule, particularly by you guys here, but if you put your foot out of bounds when you're worried about a ball that's going out of bounds and you're not sure, 'Is it staying in? Is it going through the end line? Do I sit and watch it?' -- the minute you put your foot out of bounds and possess the football, the football is out of bounds," Childress said.

Everyone in the room took a deep breath, then Childress said, "We coach our guys quite often on that fact."

This is endemic of Childress' tenure. The more picayune the detail, the more passionate he becomes. Since arriving in town, he has obsessed over silliness like media access and cloaking the identity of his starting quarterback.

Problem is, we always know who's playing quarterback any given week -- he's the guy with the glazed eyes and the phone-book-sized binder of "little-known rules."
Good lord. :rolleyes:
:loco: If he is still the coach next year...

:rant:

 
In answer to Andy's question vis-a-vis the last college coach worth his weight in the NFL:

The only two current NFL head coaches to come directly from college are Lane Kiffin and Bobby Petrino; and obviously it's far too early to judge their NFL tenures. Just thinking back quickly over the last few years, we've had:

Cleveland Browns: Butch Davis, HC at Miami [was a proven NFL coordinator prior to UMiami]...

Jacksonville Jaguars: Tom Coughlin, HC at B.C. [also a former NFL assistant]

Miami Dolphins: Nick Saban, HC at LSU

San Diego Chargers: Mike Riley, HC at Oregon State

San Francisco 49ers: Steve Mariucci, HC at Cal

San Francisco 49ers: Dennis Erickson, HC at Oregon State

Seattle Seahawks: Dennis Erickson, HC at Miami

St. Louis Rams: Rich Brooks, HC at Oregon

Washington Redskins: Steve Spurrier, HC at Florida

It's been pretty downright abysmal for a long time.

 
In answer to Andy's question vis-a-vis the last college coach worth his weight in the NFL:The only two current NFL head coaches to come directly from college are Lane Kiffin and Bobby Petrino; and obviously it's far too early to judge their NFL tenures. Just thinking back quickly over the last few years, we've had:Cleveland Browns: Butch Davis, HC at Miami [was a proven NFL coordinator prior to UMiami]...Jacksonville Jaguars: Tom Coughlin, HC at B.C. [also a former NFL assistant]Miami Dolphins: Nick Saban, HC at LSUSan Diego Chargers: Mike Riley, HC at Oregon StateSan Francisco 49ers: Steve Mariucci, HC at CalSan Francisco 49ers: Dennis Erickson, HC at Oregon StateSeattle Seahawks: Dennis Erickson, HC at MiamiSt. Louis Rams: Rich Brooks, HC at OregonWashington Redskins: Steve Spurrier, HC at FloridaIt's been pretty downright abysmal for a long time.
Mooch did well at San Francisco.Coughlin has been okay.But for the most part, this list screams "Hire a qualified NFL assistant before an NCAA head coach."
 
York should fire Nolan and get Carroll in SF. I'm just worried that the damage done by Nolan is too much. Lets look at the list of busts that Nolan brought in.

Alex Smith (Too soft, no presence)

Vernon Davis (Can't run routes, has stone hands)

Ashley Lelie (Non-existent, 8 catches this year)

Darryl Jackson (Drops easy passes, 3rd down killer)

Nate Clements (Paid way too much for what he brings)

Larry Allen (Great last year, but is too old now)

Tully Banta Cain (High priced free agent not doing anything)

Joe Staley (Not worth the top 5 pick sent to New England)

 
If USC had run the table this year, I would have bet that Carroll would leave. But now I think he stays a few more years: he wants one more shot at the title with the players he's recruited there
If it were me, I couldn't see any advantage to coaching in the NFL over coaching at USC. :lmao:
Unless some team ponies up ridiculous numbers, and is located in sunny SoCal, I can't think of a single season to leave SC.
 

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