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TY ID, great info.
Agree and I see major fallout coming. Martin was never in a hospital but at home with Mom n Dad(lawyers) getting his legal team in order.
So if he weren't a pretty good G how would they feel? Sorry, but that is pathetic.
Yeah. At the least he's forcing his way out of there.
Jurb, we're talking the season ticket holders that buy them on the 1st day of renewal. The fans that would sacrifice their first born for a Lombardi Trophy, they exist in every city across the country.
I had never seen the stadium form that perspective or from the field level looking up, I felt a feeling of pride. Then when I came home and started reading all this, just sickened me.
Much better with a new work environment but he's got lingering issues from time to time in functioning on basic things with his family that I think come from his childhood coupled with going through this. I hope he continues counseling. This went on for a long time so I can't imagine being in his shoes. Your brain really learns some weird survival tactics during those bad times and that's the type of stuff he has to get past. He is highly paranoid of this happening again and we all have to keep an eye out and give him encouragement. It just shows how awful people can be to one another. At our roots we all have primal tendencies to out alpha the other and look for weaknesses in others. Some of us learn and move past that and others are immature and childish.
It still doesn't make sense. If this is all true, Incognito basically forced a young and promising tackle off the team. Where is that in the fans reaction? On top of that, he is likely a cancer in the locker room and for the organization and it's just nobody knew it until now. Maybe this is EXACTLY why Long began to regress in Mia and then decided to leave. There is no place for behavior like this and that should be at the forefront for everyone, including fans.Jurb, we're talking the season ticket holders that buy them on the 1st day of renewal. The fans that would sacrifice their first born for a Lombardi Trophy, they exist in every city across the country.I changed my original stance some as I started learning more information but the media also shaped this story pretty hard. Fans are only thinking wins and losses, this team has been ####ty for a long time now and fans are tired of it.
I stood at the 50 yard line today watching my wife finish a 40 mile Dolphin Cycling Challenge for UM/Cancer Sylvester Center
But I blame Owner-GM-Coach in that order...I want the team taken away from Ross. He doesn't deserve to own them.
Some feel Martin should have sucked it up and kept going until the end of the season, not in the middle of the season at 4-4.
What about blaming the people that did this? Seems like the ACTUAL BULLIES should get some blame...
Correct. Thug leadership on that team. Somehow I cognition was given extra liberties and support for his actions. It seems he was the leader.
It's a fine attitude you have on these boards, I tend to agree with you as we learn more about this but you are not thinking about the fans who pay money and sit in the seats on Sundays. I go to some games but I am in here a lot, watching Red Zone and local telecasts of other games most of the time, it's easy for us to say they should behave this way and that way.
Oh, so a person should allow themselves to be bullied because making an issue about it might upset the fans? My God, do you even understand what you are saying?
It's 100% true, the front office knew about this going back to last Monday, did not tell the media until Wed, didn't respond and had to know Martin was not in a mental rehab so they lied...don't sugarcoat what you want to say Sky, I'm not defending the bullies. I'm telling you that Miami this morning and Incognito were refuting everything and now suddenly Incognito has been suspended by Philbin...Dolphins made sure they put that in the press release that Incognito was informed "By Philbin", complete damage control over there and they are losing. So yeah they are gonna sacrifice Incognito to appease folks but it won't be enough, it's too late.
This wreaks of the same foul odor of the PSU thing. Not as bad in nature, but from an coverup standpoint. Lots is going on here. I wonder how much we will get to find out about.
See what you are doing is getting emotional here. I am just telling you what the locals in Miami who will be calling in tomorrow and I highly suggest you listen to Rose's podcast as well as Dan Lebatard who will have oodles to comment on here. You are somehow trying to project on me your emotions about this event. Don't shoot the messenger, I'm simply telling you what is gonna happen. I'm not excusing it but there are going to be a lot of people who do not agree with your position. Just like about half this country votes right, the other half left, some like chocolate, other like vanilla, everyone is entitled to their POV or opinion.
Really? Child rape?
I was very clear in saying not in nature, from a coverup standpoint.
I don't know what happened yet. It seems like you think you know, and since there is currently an investigation I suggest you email Roger Gooddell to let him know the facts.
Fair point, but the bullies are only half the equation. I wouldn't have believed that an NFL guard could really get bullied before this story.
I am not emotional about this at all; I am just taking the rational approach.
OK Jurb, I would always give you any benefit of the doubt anyways, I agree with the coverup, it's pretty bad. It dates back to last Spring.
Yeah, I was just picking low hanging sarcasm fruit there. I felt guilty about 2 seconds after I posted it.
If it comes out that Philbin knew Martin had been racially threaten and he did nothing about it then his job is certainly on the line here. Now hes cutting heads to save his own skin.
I get what you're saying about Incognito being a scapegoat. I think he was enabled to behave this way. That doesn't free him of responsibility. I just think there is more going on, beyond him.
It did happen in the cafeteria last Monday, that's a fact. It was not revealed to the media until Wed, that's a fact. You can go to Armando Salguero's Twitter account, he is the beat writer for the Miami Herald and is with the team on a daily basis. I'm not pulling this stuff out of thin air so please at lest respect that I am trying to give this palace as much local information as I can verify. I'm not trying to win any awards or break a story or even argue in defense of anyone.
Exactly Kelly and that's where I am trying to steer this is back to Ireland and Philbin. Folks in here seem to want to judge what the Miami Dolphins should do based on a media that is going to push push push for "Bullying"...that's a made up word by the media for this. Martin did not say he was bullied, but when the media uses that term it gives a lot of sympathy for Martin and many posters in here have already taken that position.
No problem MTS, we got good memories but their short
it'll certainly be highlighted front and center with the Dolphins playing on Monday Night Football next week. I'm sure Costas and every other national media sports personality will be spewing their views on the issue with their next game being nationally televised.
