Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED (3 Viewers)

[RBM]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

I don't get this. Why is this the recurring label for anyone that takes the "Martin should've handled it better" side?

Really makes no sense.

Why do you label someone who chooses to handle this situation without violence a wuss?

I never said he should handle it with violence.

 

[jurb26]

If the voicemail was so bad and offensive, why did Martin wait until now to release it?

Probably because he has more than just that VM and that has pretty much been let on. Martin very well could have tried to handle this another way and got rejected. Then decided he better keep building a better case. We already know the Mia coaches are basically not telling the truth.

 

[RBM]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

I don't get this. Why is this the recurring label for anyone that takes the "Martin should've handled it better" side?

Really makes no sense.

RBM, the people that say Martin should have handled it better don't give specifics, and should they do they are outlandish like "bust him in the mouf". What was your suggestion again?

I think I put it in here about 5-6 times now. If he's not the type to stick up for himself and confront Incognito, which is fine, at least make some attempts to discuss with coaches, GM, and maybe some sympathetic veteran teammates (if he could find any) before running home to mommy and daddy lawyer and set off this ridiculous circus.

 

[Dizzy]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

Lot of "tough guys" on the networks last night as well in the form of current and former NFL players... only they are tough guys. Not a lot of mad love for Richie, but NOBODY sticking up for Martin either... quite the opposite as a matter of fact.

Interesting how being a wussie is the "cool thing"... I see the "oh, another internet tough guy" crap thrown around in the Shark Pool a lot... guess what, some people are tougher than others, this is fact. So while it might be extremely cool to be a delicate little flower that always preaches turn the other cheek, let's not lose sight of the fact that some dude's don't care, and they will hit you anyway.

Not singling you out by the way Idizzle, just a general reaction to the "it's bad to be tough" theme that floats about. Nobody knows who is behind the keyboard... we all hide behind fake names in a phony football world.. I have no doubt that there are guys typing a way on here that would not think twice about stomping the living crap out of somebody before trying to reason with them.

 

[jurb26]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

I don't get this. Why is this the recurring label for anyone that takes the "Martin should've handled it better" side?

Really makes no sense.

RBM, the people that say Martin should have handled it better don't give specifics, and should they do they are outlandish like "bust him in the mouf". What was your suggestion again?

I think I put it in here about 5-6 times now. If he's not the type to stick up for himself and confront Incognito, which is fine, at least make some attempts to discuss with coaches, GM, and maybe some sympathetic veteran teammates (if he could find any) before running home to mommy and daddy lawyer and set off this ridiculous circus.

How do you know he didn't do this?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

I don't get this. Why is this the recurring label for anyone that takes the "Martin should've handled it better" side?

Really makes no sense.

RBM, the people that say Martin should have handled it better don't give specifics, and should they do they are outlandish like "bust him in the mouf". What was your suggestion again?

I think I put it in here about 5-6 times now. If he's not the type to stick up for himself and confront Incognito, which is fine, at least make some attempts to discuss with coaches, GM, and maybe some sympathetic veteran teammates (if he could find any) before running home to mommy and daddy lawyer and set off this ridiculous circus.

So what if he tried that and it didn't work?

 

[mr roboto]

Asking Incognito to toughen someone up is like asking the creepy perv in the office to take the secretary out to show her a good time.

Hmmm I don't know about that. Again, you can't use a regular work place as a comparison to someone on a football team regardless of your high horse. This kind of thing happens all the time in the NFL where coaches are trying to light a spark under a player. I remember on the Jets Hard Knocks Rex told someone to pick a fight with Vernon Gholston to get him going, should he be charged with accessory to assault?

This thread officially sucks when you can't even crack wise. ####### hell dude, I'm kidding. And I don't think you get it. Incognito is known as a bad dude. Pick someone else to get Martin in line that hasn't been arrested for assault.

Nah I definitely got it, but some people in here are making legit comparisons to what would happen at their work if so and so happened.

There's. Nothing. Special. About. Football. Players.

You seem slow, let me break it down for you.

Literally every single practice where there is a skirmish, an assault charged can be laid. Literally every football practice, a verbal harassment in the workplace complaint can be made. The two times I can remember it ever going to the courts was Romanowski punching his teammate and Steve Smith jumping a practice squad receiver. I might be missing a couple more, but out of the hundreds of thousands of opportunities for charges to be pressed, its happened a handful where serious bodily harm was inflicted.

You see what the difference here is bud? They play by a separate set of rules at their jobs whether you like it or not.

Pleade read the last 10 pages. We've covered all this already. 'Bud'. There's a difference between what is normal in the course of football and extortion, threats and real bullying. But keep on glorifying the 300 lb meatheads. Just because its different doesn't mean it's right or necessary.

The thing is, hundreds (probably thousands) of guys have gone through the exact same thing that Martin went through but this incident is the only one that's ever blown up.

Rich Gannon talked about the rookie tax this week so did Larry Fitzgerald, it happens in every sport no matter how wrong you think it is.

Incognito is a POS no doubt, but Martin (because of his reaction) in the outlier here not Incognito (because of his behaviour) no matter how much you don't want to admit it.

I don't necessarily disagree (about who the outlier is). But a rookie tax? Pay your own ducking bills. These 'men' are about as childish as they come. And the argument that 'it happens all the time' is completely pointless. Lots of things have happened for a long time that weren't right or legal.

 

[KCitons]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

I don't get this. Why is this the recurring label for anyone that takes the "Martin should've handled it better" side?

Really makes no sense.

RBM, the people that say Martin should have handled it better don't give specifics, and should they do they are outlandish like "bust him in the mouf". What was your suggestion again?

I think I put it in here about 5-6 times now. If he's not the type to stick up for himself and confront Incognito, which is fine, at least make some attempts to discuss with coaches, GM, and maybe some sympathetic veteran teammates (if he could find any) before running home to mommy and daddy lawyer and set off this ridiculous circus.

So what if he tried that and it didn't work?

Exactly. What if he talked to another veteran player and that vet told him that Incognito is just toughening you up. Per Philbins orders. Would it make any sense to go to Philbin at that point?

 

[jurb26]

RBM, we know now that Mia coaches lied. They did know something was going on and ordered for a player, with a horrible reputation, to toughen Martin up. This leads one to believe he talked them IMO. We also know the coaches dismissed team leaders last year when they wanted to discuss things... Perhaps this? What you're saying doesn't make sense.

 

[Limp Ditka]

... if the vm is legit, then it frankly renders all other considerations moot, particularly any attempts to slander Martin. He (Martin) may or may not be the most outstanding humans being alive, but none of that matters in light of Incognito's behavior. In fact, it's all pretty irrelevant juxtaposed against what Incognito has done here.

I actually think the vm is small potatoes in the grand scheme. To me, the vets' use of rookies as ATMs, as chauffeurs, etc. is a much bigger deal.

I disagree. Pretty strongly in fact. There's a lot of room for interpretation of this behavior, much of which could be benign, done in good fun, repaid later, etc. Not by definition malicious, bigoted, and hateful.

Calling an leaving a voicemail slapping my mother isn't full of malice? Anyone who left that voicemail to me would not be alive. I'm not being hard, its just a fact. Yup, make the jokes, I'm a big man, blah blah blah.

You know what I'd do..... I'd get a limo to take us to your parents house. You, of course, are paying. Once there, I'd sit you down on the couch and slap your mother right in front of you. If you even flinch, I'm smacking her again. Rinse repeat. Once my hand was sore, I'd make you pick up the slack and smack her yourself. While you're doing that, I'll be lobbing racial slurs in her direction. Maybe, if I'm feeling nice, I'll even let your dad take a shot or two. Verbal or physical, his choice. Years of her coddling you into the 'adult' you've become, I'm sure he's chompin at the bit.

After that, I'm going to assume that I've worked up an appetite. Steak dinner and jetskis are on you.

 

[KCitons]

... if the vm is legit, then it frankly renders all other considerations moot, particularly any attempts to slander Martin. He (Martin) may or may not be the most outstanding humans being alive, but none of that matters in light of Incognito's behavior. In fact, it's all pretty irrelevant juxtaposed against what Incognito has done here.

I actually think the vm is small potatoes in the grand scheme. To me, the vets' use of rookies as ATMs, as chauffeurs, etc. is a much bigger deal.

I disagree. Pretty strongly in fact. There's a lot of room for interpretation of this behavior, much of which could be benign, done in good fun, repaid later, etc. Not by definition malicious, bigoted, and hateful.

Calling an leaving a voicemail slapping my mother isn't full of malice? Anyone who left that voicemail to me would not be alive. I'm not being hard, its just a fact. Yup, make the jokes, I'm a big man, blah blah blah.

You know what I'd do..... I'd get a limo to take us to your parents house. You, of course, are paying. Once there, I'd sit you down on the couch and slap your mother right in front of you. If you even flinch, I'm smacking her again. Rinse repeat. Once my hand was sore, I'd make you pick up the slack and smack her yourself. While you're doing that, I'll be lobbing racial slurs in her direction. Maybe, if I'm feeling nice, I'll even let your dad take a shot or two. Verbal or physical, his choice. Years of her coddling you into the 'adult' you've become, I'm sure he's chompin at the bit.

After that, I'm going to assume that I've worked up an appetite. Steak dinner and jetskis are on you.

??? Seek help

 

[MoveToSkypager]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

Lot of "tough guys" on the networks last night as well in the form of current and former NFL players... only they are tough guys. Not a lot of mad love for Richie, but NOBODY sticking up for Martin either... quite the opposite as a matter of fact.

Interesting how being a wussie is the "cool thing"... I see the "oh, another internet tough guy" crap thrown around in the Shark Pool a lot... guess what, some people are tougher than others, this is fact. So while it might be extremely cool to be a delicate little flower that always preaches turn the other cheek, let's not lose sight of the fact that some dude's don't care, and they will hit you anyway.

Not singling you out by the way Idizzle, just a general reaction to the "it's bad to be tough" theme that floats about. Nobody knows who is behind the keyboard... we all hide behind fake names in a phony football world.. I have no doubt that there are guys typing a way on here that would not think twice about stomping the living crap out of somebody before trying to reason with them.

I understand what you are saying. This is the thing I have a hard time understanding: Why is settling things with physical confrontation more preferable than settling things without it? Why can't someone just bully someone back in a realm they feel more comfortable in? Like a courtroom? Maybe Martin can't fight. Then what? Is he doomed to be ####ed with by Incognito until he quits the league? Is that how it should work? Why can't he just win another way? What would you think about Martin if he shot Incognito? He can't fight, so he's just trying to even it up, you know. Now I know that everyone here that supports Martin slugging Incognito are actual tough guys, although I find it weird that the people I hear in real life the people that talk about fighting or settling things man to man, and "wussification of 'merica" tend to not be the tough guys, but I'm sure it's different on the internet.

 

[RBM]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

I don't get this. Why is this the recurring label for anyone that takes the "Martin should've handled it better" side?

Really makes no sense.

RBM, the people that say Martin should have handled it better don't give specifics, and should they do they are outlandish like "bust him in the mouf". What was your suggestion again?

I think I put it in here about 5-6 times now. If he's not the type to stick up for himself and confront Incognito, which is fine, at least make some attempts to discuss with coaches, GM, and maybe some sympathetic veteran teammates (if he could find any) before running home to mommy and daddy lawyer and set off this ridiculous circus.

So what if he tried that and it didn't work?

Exactly. What if he talked to another veteran player and that vet told him that Incognito is just toughening you up. Per Philbins orders. Would it make any sense to go to Philbin at that point?

Absolutely. If the "toughening up" was so far over the top that Martin was considering walking out on the team over, go talk to the GM and the coach.

 

[KCitons]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

I don't get this. Why is this the recurring label for anyone that takes the "Martin should've handled it better" side?

Really makes no sense.

RBM, the people that say Martin should have handled it better don't give specifics, and should they do they are outlandish like "bust him in the mouf". What was your suggestion again?

I think I put it in here about 5-6 times now. If he's not the type to stick up for himself and confront Incognito, which is fine, at least make some attempts to discuss with coaches, GM, and maybe some sympathetic veteran teammates (if he could find any) before running home to mommy and daddy lawyer and set off this ridiculous circus.

So what if he tried that and it didn't work?

Exactly. What if he talked to another veteran player and that vet told him that Incognito is just toughening you up. Per Philbins orders. Would it make any sense to go to Philbin at that point?

Absolutely. If the "toughening up" was so far over the top that Martin was considering walking out on the team over, go talk to the GM and the coach.

The coach ordered the toughening up? Not sure what Ireland knew at this point. If your boss is stealing from the company, do you go to your boss and tell him about it?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

I don't get this. Why is this the recurring label for anyone that takes the "Martin should've handled it better" side?

Really makes no sense.

RBM, the people that say Martin should have handled it better don't give specifics, and should they do they are outlandish like "bust him in the mouf". What was your suggestion again?

I think I put it in here about 5-6 times now. If he's not the type to stick up for himself and confront Incognito, which is fine, at least make some attempts to discuss with coaches, GM, and maybe some sympathetic veteran teammates (if he could find any) before running home to mommy and daddy lawyer and set off this ridiculous circus.

So what if he tried that and it didn't work?

Exactly. What if he talked to another veteran player and that vet told him that Incognito is just toughening you up. Per Philbins orders. Would it make any sense to go to Philbin at that point?

Absolutely. If the "toughening up" was so far over the top that Martin was considering walking out on the team over, go talk to the GM and the coach.

What if that doesn't work?

 

[RBM]

RBM, we know now that Mia coaches lied. They did know something was going on and ordered for a player, with a horrible reputation, to toughen Martin up. This leads one to believe he talked them IMO. We also know the coaches dismissed team leaders last year when they wanted to discuss things... Perhaps this? What you're saying doesn't make sense.

Wow you're assuming a lot that we have no clue about. And if you think coaches don't instruct vets to "toughen up" younger guys around the league on a regular basis you probably should bow out of the discussion now.

I'm pretty sure Philbin didn't want that order to lead to Martin feeling like running away was the only way to protect himself.

 

[KCitons]

RBM, we know now that Mia coaches lied. They did know something was going on and ordered for a player, with a horrible reputation, to toughen Martin up. This leads one to believe he talked them IMO. We also know the coaches dismissed team leaders last year when they wanted to discuss things... Perhaps this? What you're saying doesn't make sense.

Wow you're assuming a lot that we have no clue about. And if you think coaches don't instruct vets to "toughen up" younger guys around the league on a regular basis you probably should bow out of the discussion now.

I'm pretty sure Philbin didn't want that order to lead to Martin feeling like running away was the only way to protect himself.

This is where I need more info. The impression I get from Philbin, is that it's his way, or the highway. We don't know for certain what happened, but I could see Martin approach Philbin and tell him that he felt he was being bullied. I could also see Philbin telling Martin that he has to toughen up. Perhaps Martin didn't go into specifics, but felt that the coach and the organization was condoning Incognitos actions.

 

[Touchdown There]

But keep on glorifying the 300 lb meatheads.

I think the most unfortunate aspect of this mess is that the average Joe mentality of football players change when you watch TMZs video of Incognito. If you ever needed a definition of "meathead", all you need to do is watch that video. The NFL as an institution is taking a shellacking. Some heads are going to roll and policies are going to change in the locker room. Just like most of the people you work with are good people, so are most of the people at any level of football from peewee to the NFL.

I disagree with the way it was handled by Martin. However, I do not think that Martin had any bad intentions to blow this up in advance of the final prank. They forced Martin to flip and I believe that both the team and the management failed Martin in this case. I doubt Incognito ever plays again. If Martin wants to play again, it would be another lawsuit to blackball him at this point. He will play again if he wishes to remain in the game.

Fire the coaches and trade Martin to the highest bidder.

 

[Tango]

1. Martin is doing exactly what he should do. He's covering his own butt every-which way, and right now that content that he released to the media represents >50% of the "evidence" people cite in this thread and in the media. That's prejudiced evidence to say the least and the conclusions drawn from it should be very limited/narrow. Saying Incognito went "too far" is likely a fair thing to say, but who the heck knows...maybe Martin wrote even worse texts back to him. Maybe Martin went too far too. We dont know.

2. The media loves (1) bullying stories (it's the sitcom-lesson topic du jour), (2) anti-NFL stories/scandals, and (3) for there to be a clear-cut "good-guy" and "bad-guy". Be skeptical of anything that supports those three items b/c they're partly pushing the reporting to what they want to be true instead of the complete truth. Im sure Bob Costas is writing his halftime speech right now to serve his childish need of "changing the world" b/c he cant come to terms that he covers meaningless balls and bats for a living.

 

[Lydia]

If the voicemail was so bad and offensive, why did Martin wait until now to release it?

If it was so normal, why did he save it?

 

[Pump N Go]

But keep on glorifying the 300 lb meatheads.

I think the most unfortunate aspect of this mess is that the average Joe mentality of football players change when you watch TMZs video of Incognito. If you ever needed a definition of "meathead", all you need to do is watch that video. The NFL as an institution is taking a shellacking. Some heads are going to roll and policies are going to change in the locker room. Just like most of the people you work with are good people, so are most of the people at any level of football from peewee to the NFL.

I disagree with the way it was handled by Martin. However, I do not think that Martin had any bad intentions to blow this up in advance of the final prank. They forced Martin to flip and I believe that both the team and the management failed Martin in this case. I doubt Incognito ever plays again. If Martin wants to play again, it would be another lawsuit to blackball him at this point. He will play again if he wishes to remain in the game.

Fire the coaches and trade Martin to the highest bidder.

If they both leave the Phins, I say Incognito catches on somewhere before Martin does (barring a very lengthy suspension).

 

[Norman Paperman]

If the voicemail was so bad and offensive, why did Martin wait until now to release it?

If it was so normal, why did he save it?

I just looked at my phone, I have old voicemails dating back to 2012. Too lazy to delete them.

 

[Dizzy]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

Lot of "tough guys" on the networks last night as well in the form of current and former NFL players... only they are tough guys. Not a lot of mad love for Richie, but NOBODY sticking up for Martin either... quite the opposite as a matter of fact.

Interesting how being a wussie is the "cool thing"... I see the "oh, another internet tough guy" crap thrown around in the Shark Pool a lot... guess what, some people are tougher than others, this is fact. So while it might be extremely cool to be a delicate little flower that always preaches turn the other cheek, let's not lose sight of the fact that some dude's don't care, and they will hit you anyway.

Not singling you out by the way Idizzle, just a general reaction to the "it's bad to be tough" theme that floats about. Nobody knows who is behind the keyboard... we all hide behind fake names in a phony football world.. I have no doubt that there are guys typing a way on here that would not think twice about stomping the living crap out of somebody before trying to reason with them.

I understand what you are saying. This is the thing I have a hard time understanding: Why is settling things with physical confrontation more preferable than settling things without it? Why can't someone just bully someone back in a realm they feel more comfortable in? Like a courtroom? Maybe Martin can't fight. Then what? Is he doomed to be ####ed with by Incognito until he quits the league? Is that how it should work? Why can't he just win another way? What would you think about Martin if he shot Incognito? He can't fight, so he's just trying to even it up, you know. Now I know that everyone here that supports Martin slugging Incognito are actual tough guys, although I find it weird that the people I hear in real life the people that talk about fighting or settling things man to man, and "wussification of 'merica" tend to not be the tough guys, but I'm sure it's different on the internet.

-1) Why is settling things with physical confrontation more preferable than settling things without it?

Because football is a violent game that calls for full speed collisions and sacrificing your future health for the love of the game… this alone calls for a mindset that 99% of the public never have to deal with.

-2) Why can't someone just bully someone back in a realm they feel more comfortable in… Like a courtroom?

What?

-3) Maybe Martin can't fight. Then what?

Then he is doomed to fail as an NFL lineman. Oh wait, he has.

-4) Is he doomed to be ####ed with by Incognito until he quits the league?

Not if he taps into and embraces his inner nastiness… otherwise, yes.

-5) Is that how it should work?

Yes

-6) Why can't he just win another way?

See item #1

-7) What would you think about Martin if he shot Incognito?

I wouldn't care. In all honesty, these guys are just names in the news to me. People die all the time and there are not enough hours in the day to mourn all of them. Not trying to come off cold and heartless, but the reality is deaths are reported in the news every morning before I leave for work... and I don't reflect on any of them for one moment because I have no personal connection to them.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

This entire situation is absolute garbage. The Miami coaching staff asking a d-bag of a player (Incognito) to toughen up a player without asking and understanding how he planned on doing it--is ridiculous. Incognito is an absolute piece of garbage for dropping "N-bombs" like it's nothing big---but the people who are bigger pieces of garbage are the black players in the NFL who are standing up for Incognito. I guarantee you that these same black players would be absolutely furious if white people outside of football called them that same word--so this is hypocritical at best. The other mind numbing idiotic point of view is that Incognito should be given a "pass" because of the culture of football and the locker room. These guy are friggin football players----they get paid millions of dollars to play a game. If we are saying that racism, bullying, and extortion should be ignored because it is in the culture of a "game"--then how about we change the damn culture? The reason why this country is so great is because we believe in progress. It wasn't that long ago that blacks were slaves in this country, and women didn't even get a full vote--and now we have a black president--and it certainly wouldn't be a shock to see a woman voted as president in the near future. The point is that--there are countries in the world where their "culture" allows it's citizens to get abused, extorted, hurt---and we all frown upon these countries. Yet there are lots of us who are okay with this same culture existing in our own country under the cloak of "it's football"---and this is garbage. If you are a black man defending Incognito-- then you should never be upset when another white man uses the "N-bomb"--and I highly doubt this is the case. Football is nothing more than a game--and for them a job--- it is not an excuse for racist, d-bag, abusive behavior. If Martin doing what he did motivates this garbage football culture to change for the better--then all he deserves is praise--from both us and the rest of the players in the NFL. Anybody who wants to continue keeping this obviously degenerate football culture the way it is are the ones who need their heads examined.

 

[Neofight]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

Lot of "tough guys" on the networks last night as well in the form of current and former NFL players... only they are tough guys. Not a lot of mad love for Richie, but NOBODY sticking up for Martin either... quite the opposite as a matter of fact.

Interesting how being a wussie is the "cool thing"... I see the "oh, another internet tough guy" crap thrown around in the Shark Pool a lot... guess what, some people are tougher than others, this is fact. So while it might be extremely cool to be a delicate little flower that always preaches turn the other cheek, let's not lose sight of the fact that some dude's don't care, and they will hit you anyway.

Not singling you out by the way Idizzle, just a general reaction to the "it's bad to be tough" theme that floats about. Nobody knows who is behind the keyboard... we all hide behind fake names in a phony football world.. I have no doubt that there are guys typing a way on here that would not think twice about stomping the living crap out of somebody before trying to reason with them.

I understand what you are saying. This is the thing I have a hard time understanding: Why is settling things with physical confrontation more preferable than settling things without it? Why can't someone just bully someone back in a realm they feel more comfortable in? Like a courtroom? Maybe Martin can't fight. Then what? Is he doomed to be ####ed with by Incognito until he quits the league? Is that how it should work? Why can't he just win another way? What would you think about Martin if he shot Incognito? He can't fight, so he's just trying to even it up, you know. Now I know that everyone here that supports Martin slugging Incognito are actual tough guys, although I find it weird that the people I hear in real life the people that talk about fighting or settling things man to man, and "wussification of 'merica" tend to not be the tough guys, but I'm sure it's different on the internet.

-1) Why is settling things with physical confrontation more preferable than settling things without it?

Because football is a violent game that calls for full speed collisions and sacrificing your future health for the love of the game… this alone calls for a mindset that 99% of the public never have to deal with.

-2) Why can't someone just bully someone back in a realm they feel more comfortable in… Like a courtroom?

What?

-3) Maybe Martin can't fight. Then what?

Then he is doomed to fail as an NFL lineman. Oh wait, he has.

-4) Is he doomed to be ####ed with by Incognito until he quits the league?

Not if he taps into and embraces his inner nastiness… otherwise, yes.

-5) Is that how it should work?

Yes

-6) Why can't he just win another way?

See item #1

-7) What would you think about Martin if he shot Incognito?

I wouldn't care. In all honesty, these guys are just names in the news to me. People die all the time and there are not enough hours in the day to mourn all of them. Not trying to come off cold and heartless, but the reality is deaths are reported in the news every morning before I leave for work... and I don't reflect on any of them for one moment because I have no personal connection to them.

These responses pretty much sum up precisely why Martin made the correct decision.

 

[KCitons]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

Lot of "tough guys" on the networks last night as well in the form of current and former NFL players... only they are tough guys. Not a lot of mad love for Richie, but NOBODY sticking up for Martin either... quite the opposite as a matter of fact.

Interesting how being a wussie is the "cool thing"... I see the "oh, another internet tough guy" crap thrown around in the Shark Pool a lot... guess what, some people are tougher than others, this is fact. So while it might be extremely cool to be a delicate little flower that always preaches turn the other cheek, let's not lose sight of the fact that some dude's don't care, and they will hit you anyway.

Not singling you out by the way Idizzle, just a general reaction to the "it's bad to be tough" theme that floats about. Nobody knows who is behind the keyboard... we all hide behind fake names in a phony football world.. I have no doubt that there are guys typing a way on here that would not think twice about stomping the living crap out of somebody before trying to reason with them.

I understand what you are saying. This is the thing I have a hard time understanding: Why is settling things with physical confrontation more preferable than settling things without it? Why can't someone just bully someone back in a realm they feel more comfortable in? Like a courtroom? Maybe Martin can't fight. Then what? Is he doomed to be ####ed with by Incognito until he quits the league? Is that how it should work? Why can't he just win another way? What would you think about Martin if he shot Incognito? He can't fight, so he's just trying to even it up, you know. Now I know that everyone here that supports Martin slugging Incognito are actual tough guys, although I find it weird that the people I hear in real life the people that talk about fighting or settling things man to man, and "wussification of 'merica" tend to not be the tough guys, but I'm sure it's different on the internet.

-1) Why is settling things with physical confrontation more preferable than settling things without it?

Because football is a violent game that calls for full speed collisions and sacrificing your future health for the love of the game… this alone calls for a mindset that 99% of the public never have to deal with.

-2) Why can't someone just bully someone back in a realm they feel more comfortable in… Like a courtroom?

What?

-3) Maybe Martin can't fight. Then what?

Then he is doomed to fail as an NFL lineman. Oh wait, he has.

-4) Is he doomed to be ####ed with by Incognito until he quits the league?

Not if he taps into and embraces his inner nastiness… otherwise, yes.

-5) Is that how it should work?

Yes

-6) Why can't he just win another way?

See item #1

-7) What would you think about Martin if he shot Incognito?

I wouldn't care. In all honesty, these guys are just names in the news to me. People die all the time and there are not enough hours in the day to mourn all of them. Not trying to come off cold and heartless, but the reality is deaths are reported in the news every morning before I leave for work... and I don't reflect on any of them for one moment because I have no personal connection to them.

Based on #1, NFL players beating their wives or girlfriends is completely acceptable behavior.

In case you missed it, NFL players don't carry cell phones on the field or during practice. NFL players are expected to act like everyone else in society when they are not on the football field.

 

[Da Guru]

Hell, Donte Stallworth and Leonard Little actually killed people and played the next season. If you can open a hole and protect a QB there will always be a job open.

 

[JuniorNB]

I cannot believe this circus is over one voicemail that happened 7 months ago.

If you think that is the main focus of all of this, you are extremely naïve.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I think Dizzy was a juror in the Nicole Simpson murder trial.

 

[Doug B]

The thing is, hundreds (probably thousands) of guys have gone through the exact same thing that Martin went through but this incident is the only one that's ever blown up.

I don't believe this. What Martin and other Dolphins' 2012-13 rookies have been going through was above and beyond. That's why I don't give players' takes any credence -- they're remembering back on their own individual hazing/"rookie tax" stuff and applying those experiences to the current Dolphins' situation. Not comparable, IMHO.

And ... aside from all of that -- it's not going to matter if "it happened to everyone" and "it's been going on forever". Once it starts costing owners cash, it stops summarily. Not light "fun" hazing, but the Dolphins-level stuff (which ain't hazing anymore).

Have people already forgotten that Incognito STOLE Tannehill's credit card? Theft -- not prank. Only Tannehill's good nature kept Incognito from doing the perp walk in 2012.

 

[Dizzy]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

Lot of "tough guys" on the networks last night as well in the form of current and former NFL players... only they are tough guys. Not a lot of mad love for Richie, but NOBODY sticking up for Martin either... quite the opposite as a matter of fact.

Interesting how being a wussie is the "cool thing"... I see the "oh, another internet tough guy" crap thrown around in the Shark Pool a lot... guess what, some people are tougher than others, this is fact. So while it might be extremely cool to be a delicate little flower that always preaches turn the other cheek, let's not lose sight of the fact that some dude's don't care, and they will hit you anyway.

Not singling you out by the way Idizzle, just a general reaction to the "it's bad to be tough" theme that floats about. Nobody knows who is behind the keyboard... we all hide behind fake names in a phony football world.. I have no doubt that there are guys typing a way on here that would not think twice about stomping the living crap out of somebody before trying to reason with them.

I understand what you are saying. This is the thing I have a hard time understanding: Why is settling things with physical confrontation more preferable than settling things without it? Why can't someone just bully someone back in a realm they feel more comfortable in? Like a courtroom? Maybe Martin can't fight. Then what? Is he doomed to be ####ed with by Incognito until he quits the league? Is that how it should work? Why can't he just win another way? What would you think about Martin if he shot Incognito? He can't fight, so he's just trying to even it up, you know. Now I know that everyone here that supports Martin slugging Incognito are actual tough guys, although I find it weird that the people I hear in real life the people that talk about fighting or settling things man to man, and "wussification of 'merica" tend to not be the tough guys, but I'm sure it's different on the internet.

-1) Why is settling things with physical confrontation more preferable than settling things without it?

Because football is a violent game that calls for full speed collisions and sacrificing your future health for the love of the game… this alone calls for a mindset that 99% of the public never have to deal with.

-2) Why can't someone just bully someone back in a realm they feel more comfortable in… Like a courtroom?

What?

-3) Maybe Martin can't fight. Then what?

Then he is doomed to fail as an NFL lineman. Oh wait, he has.

-4) Is he doomed to be ####ed with by Incognito until he quits the league?

Not if he taps into and embraces his inner nastiness… otherwise, yes.

-5) Is that how it should work?

Yes

-6) Why can't he just win another way?

See item #1

-7) What would you think about Martin if he shot Incognito?

I wouldn't care. In all honesty, these guys are just names in the news to me. People die all the time and there are not enough hours in the day to mourn all of them. Not trying to come off cold and heartless, but the reality is deaths are reported in the news every morning before I leave for work... and I don't reflect on any of them for one moment because I have no personal connection to them.

Based on #1, NFL players beating their wives or girlfriends is completely acceptable behavior.

In case you missed it, NFL players don't carry cell phones on the field or during practice. NFL players are expected to act like everyone else in society when they are not on the football field.

I have no idea how you extrapolated that one out of what I wrote.

I think you're probably wrong about the other two as well.

 

[Doug B]

Rich Gannon talked about the rookie tax this week so did Larry Fitzgerald, it happens in every sport no matter how wrong you think it is.

You think Gregg Williams still has open bounties on the Titans, where he now coaches?

What used to fly has no bearing on what will fly tomorrow.

 

[Dizzy]

I think Dizzy was a juror in the Nicole Simpson murder trial.

Good example. How much sleep did you lose over that one?

None? Yeah, I thought so.

 

[JuniorNB]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

Lot of "tough guys" on the networks last night as well in the form of current and former NFL players... only they are tough guys. Not a lot of mad love for Richie, but NOBODY sticking up for Martin either... quite the opposite as a matter of fact.

Interesting how being a wussie is the "cool thing"... I see the "oh, another internet tough guy" crap thrown around in the Shark Pool a lot... guess what, some people are tougher than others, this is fact. So while it might be extremely cool to be a delicate little flower that always preaches turn the other cheek, let's not lose sight of the fact that some dude's don't care, and they will hit you anyway.

Not singling you out by the way Idizzle, just a general reaction to the "it's bad to be tough" theme that floats about. Nobody knows who is behind the keyboard... we all hide behind fake names in a phony football world.. I have no doubt that there are guys typing a way on here that would not think twice about stomping the living crap out of somebody before trying to reason with them.

I understand what you are saying. This is the thing I have a hard time understanding: Why is settling things with physical confrontation more preferable than settling things without it? Why can't someone just bully someone back in a realm they feel more comfortable in? Like a courtroom? Maybe Martin can't fight. Then what? Is he doomed to be ####ed with by Incognito until he quits the league? Is that how it should work? Why can't he just win another way? What would you think about Martin if he shot Incognito? He can't fight, so he's just trying to even it up, you know. Now I know that everyone here that supports Martin slugging Incognito are actual tough guys, although I find it weird that the people I hear in real life the people that talk about fighting or settling things man to man, and "wussification of 'merica" tend to not be the tough guys, but I'm sure it's different on the internet.

-1) Why is settling things with physical confrontation more preferable than settling things without it?

Because football is a violent game that calls for full speed collisions and sacrificing your future health for the love of the game… this alone calls for a mindset that 99% of the public never have to deal with.

-2) Why can't someone just bully someone back in a realm they feel more comfortable in… Like a courtroom?

What?

-3) Maybe Martin can't fight. Then what?

Then he is doomed to fail as an NFL lineman. Oh wait, he has.

-4) Is he doomed to be ####ed with by Incognito until he quits the league?

Not if he taps into and embraces his inner nastiness… otherwise, yes.

-5) Is that how it should work?

Yes

-6) Why can't he just win another way?

See item #1

-7) What would you think about Martin if he shot Incognito?

I wouldn't care. In all honesty, these guys are just names in the news to me. People die all the time and there are not enough hours in the day to mourn all of them. Not trying to come off cold and heartless, but the reality is deaths are reported in the news every morning before I leave for work... and I don't reflect on any of them for one moment because I have no personal connection to them.

So you think every NFL lineman is a great fighter? I bet Steve Smith could kick half of their asses. People are all wired differently. Just because someone is 320 lbs doesn't mean that he has the mental capability to lay a beating on someone. You can just tell by video clips you see of Incognito that he has that 'sicko' mental condition that would make him a beast in a fight. That's not size-related, although his size obviously makes him more dangerous. Maybe Incognito would finish top ten in an NFL MMA tournament. But he's not top 100 in best NFL lineman. So your analogy that Martin can't be a good lineman because he isn't a fighter, is moronic.

 

[Doug B]

I cannot believe this circus is over one voicemail that happened 7 months ago.

It's not.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Armando Salguero is on 590 saying he wasn't comfortable reporting that Philbin ordering the toughening up of Martin. He also noted that it's a violation of the CBA for a coach to have a player get another player to attend a voluntary minicamp. If Philbin told Incognito to bring Martin to camp, he's toast even if he didn't know anything else.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I think Dizzy was a juror in the Nicole Simpson murder trial.

Good example. How much sleep did you lose over that one?

None? Yeah, I thought so.

Dude, being a poster here requires full speed posts and sacrificing your future reputation for the love of the message board... this alone calls for a mindset that .000001% of the public never has to deal with.

 

[Touchdown There]

If they both leave the Phins, I say Incognito catches on somewhere before Martin does (barring a very lengthy suspension).

Why would you bar a very lengthy suspension? That is the most likely scenario if he is not permanently suspended.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Am I reading a reboot of A Few Good Men? Seriously...

Martin = PFC Santiago

Incognito = Lt. Kendrick

Philbin = Col. Jessop

 

[KCitons]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

Lot of "tough guys" on the networks last night as well in the form of current and former NFL players... only they are tough guys. Not a lot of mad love for Richie, but NOBODY sticking up for Martin either... quite the opposite as a matter of fact.

Interesting how being a wussie is the "cool thing"... I see the "oh, another internet tough guy" crap thrown around in the Shark Pool a lot... guess what, some people are tougher than others, this is fact. So while it might be extremely cool to be a delicate little flower that always preaches turn the other cheek, let's not lose sight of the fact that some dude's don't care, and they will hit you anyway.

Not singling you out by the way Idizzle, just a general reaction to the "it's bad to be tough" theme that floats about. Nobody knows who is behind the keyboard... we all hide behind fake names in a phony football world.. I have no doubt that there are guys typing a way on here that would not think twice about stomping the living crap out of somebody before trying to reason with them.

I understand what you are saying. This is the thing I have a hard time understanding: Why is settling things with physical confrontation more preferable than settling things without it? Why can't someone just bully someone back in a realm they feel more comfortable in? Like a courtroom? Maybe Martin can't fight. Then what? Is he doomed to be ####ed with by Incognito until he quits the league? Is that how it should work? Why can't he just win another way? What would you think about Martin if he shot Incognito? He can't fight, so he's just trying to even it up, you know. Now I know that everyone here that supports Martin slugging Incognito are actual tough guys, although I find it weird that the people I hear in real life the people that talk about fighting or settling things man to man, and "wussification of 'merica" tend to not be the tough guys, but I'm sure it's different on the internet.

-1) Why is settling things with physical confrontation more preferable than settling things without it?

Because football is a violent game that calls for full speed collisions and sacrificing your future health for the love of the game… this alone calls for a mindset that 99% of the public never have to deal with.

-2) Why can't someone just bully someone back in a realm they feel more comfortable in… Like a courtroom?

What?

-3) Maybe Martin can't fight. Then what?

Then he is doomed to fail as an NFL lineman. Oh wait, he has.

-4) Is he doomed to be ####ed with by Incognito until he quits the league?

Not if he taps into and embraces his inner nastiness… otherwise, yes.

-5) Is that how it should work?

Yes

-6) Why can't he just win another way?

See item #1

-7) What would you think about Martin if he shot Incognito?

I wouldn't care. In all honesty, these guys are just names in the news to me. People die all the time and there are not enough hours in the day to mourn all of them. Not trying to come off cold and heartless, but the reality is deaths are reported in the news every morning before I leave for work... and I don't reflect on any of them for one moment because I have no personal connection to them.

Based on #1, NFL players beating their wives or girlfriends is completely acceptable behavior.

In case you missed it, NFL players don't carry cell phones on the field or during practice. NFL players are expected to act like everyone else in society when they are not on the football field.

I have no idea how you extrapolated that one out of what I wrote.

I think you're probably wrong about the other two as well.

Question = Why is settling things with physical confrontation more preferable than settling things without it?

Your answer = Because football is a violent game that calls for full speed collisions and sacrificing your future health for the love of the game… this alone calls for a mindset that 99% of the public never have to deal with.

You are condoning violence outside the realm of a game or practice situation. If Incognito was using practice time to toughen up Martin, then OK. But when does it stop, when does Martin get to go clock out and go home?

 

[squistion]

From Mike Freeman (NFL National Lead Writer) at BleacherReport, commenting on the Martin/Incognito story:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1838030-ten-point-stance-mike-freemans-nfl-notebook-heading-into-week-10

What the Dolphins locker room also shows us is why there are no openly gay players in the NFL. Imagine a gay player on that team. Actually, don't. Too scary.

 

[Dizzy]

Wake me up when somebody that plays (or has played) in the NFL comes forward and sticks up for Martin.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Wake me up when somebody that plays (or has played) in the NFL comes forward and sticks up for Martin.

Salguero said that the entire Dolphins locker room loves both Incognito and Martin. They went them both to come back.

 

[JuniorNB]

Wake me up when somebody that plays (or has played) in the NFL comes forward and sticks up for Martin.

London Fletcher tore Incognito a new ###.

 

[KCitons]

Wake me up when somebody that plays (or has played) in the NFL comes forward and sticks up for Martin.

You've been sleeping this whole time. Why wake you?

 

[Witz]

Now the question is who ordered the 'Code Red'.

I hope we can all handle the truth.

 

[Bogeys]

Wake me up when somebody that plays (or has played) in the NFL comes forward and sticks up for Martin.

You've been sleeping this whole time. Why wake you?

And it doesn't matter to federal labor laws if the other players agree with either side. Phins will be paying Martin much more in a lump sum than he ever would have made over the years a rookie deal with them.

 

[JAMES!]

Most players are going to at least privately have the opinion that Martin handled this terribly and while Incognito may have gone above and beyond in being a d'bag, they'd side with him if they were being honest. There may be a few exceptions but any player publicly backing Martin would be doing so solely for the purpose of protecting their own image. Going forward i think Martin is going to have trouble where ever he goes where as Incognito will be fine. The only people who have a problem with Incognito are the media and "fans" who've never played the game and even those people really don't have a problem they just like to share their pretend opinions because they want to come off a certain way. The amount of attention this has gotten shows how far we've fallen as a society. People pretend to want blood and then once this simmers down it'll be on to the next thing to fake complain about.

 

[KCitons]

Most players are going to at least privately have the opinion that Martin handled this terribly and while Incognito may have gone above and beyond in being a d'bag, they'd side with him if they were being honest. There may be a few exceptions but any player publicly backing Martin would be doing so solely for the purpose of protecting their own image. Going forward i think Martin is going to have trouble where ever he goes where as Incognito will be fine. The only people who have a problem with Incognito are the media and "fans" who've never played the game and even those people really don't have a problem they just like to share their pretend opinions because they want to come off a certain way. The amount of attention this has gotten shows how far we've fallen as a society. People pretend to want blood and then once this simmers down it'll be on to the next thing to fake complain about.

This is where I think some of you are way off base. Wrong is wrong, no matter the context. Sometimes it takes a person refusing to sit in the back of the bus to wake people up and take notice.

 

[Sammy3469]

Wake me up when somebody that plays (or has played) in the NFL comes forward and sticks up for Martin.

Does Bart Scott count?