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Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED (4 Viewers)
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Bloom just tweeted out a link from the Sun Sentinel...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FnO3igOkOk
The order came down from the coaches. Please fire OL coach Jim Turner immediately
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FnO3igOkOk
The order came down from the coaches. Please fire OL coach Jim Turner immediately
Yup...he stood up to the bullying and was made out to be a bad guy. Funny how Williams threatens "step 2" in the article.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
http://touch.sun-sentinel.com/#section/1204/article/p2p-78065907/
Coaches ordered the Code Red...entire house cleaning coming.
Coaches ordered the Code Red...entire house cleaning coming.
drummer
Footballguy
Dr Oadi
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Miami Dolphins' coaches asked player Richie Incognito, who was the offensive line's undisputed leader, to toughen up teammate Jonathan Martin after he missed a voluntary workout last spring, at least two sources told the Sun Sentinel.
The sources told the paper they believe that Incognito, who is accused of using racially incendiary language and bullying tactics against Martin, may have taken those orders too far.
It's not clear whether those marching orders will now become part of a pending investigation by the NFL into the Dolphins' locker room culture, and the alleged bullying that took place between Incognito and Martin.
"I'm just trying to weather the storm right now. This will pass," Incognito told WSVN-TV when reached outside a doctor's office.
Incognito has been suspended indefinitely by the Dolphins for conduct detrimental to the team for his tactics involving Martin, the team's 2012 second-round pick, who left the team last week and later accused the Dolphins of having an unsafe working environment.
Martin's smoking gun is a threatening, and racially offensive voice mail Incognito left him in April. In that voice message Incognito calls Martin, who is bi-racial, a "half n-----," threatened to slap his mother across the face, and uttered the words "I'll kill you."
Sources say that communication took place when Martin skipped two days of the team's OTA program, and Incognito was encouraged by his coaches to make a call that would "get him into the fold," one source said.
Even though OTA workouts are voluntary, the NFL culture forces coaches to strong arm the team's leaders to make sure everyone attends. Sources say Incognito was doing his job, but they admit he crossed the line.
"Richie is the type of guy where if he's on your team you love him," a teammate said. "If he's not on your team, you hate him. Every team needs a guy like that."
A Dolphins spokesman declined comment when told about Incognito's directives from the coaching staff, saying the franchise is fully cooperating with the NFL's independent investigation, which was requested by owner Steve Ross.
It is clear Incognito embraced his role as the team's enforcer and tough guy, his teammates said. However, nobody knew how troubling his relationship was with Martin, who started 10 straight games next to Incognito going back to the 2012 season, those same teammates added.
Martin abruptly left the team last week after a lunch room prank orchestrated by his fellow offensive lineman caused his emotional distress, and forced him to return to his California hometown, where he's receiving treatment.
The NFL Player's Association released a statement Tuesday saying it will monitor the NFL's investigation to ensure all the players the union represents, which includes Incognito, get a "fair investigation."
"We expect that the NFL and its clubs create a safe and professional workplace for all players and that owners, executives, coaches and players should set the best standards and examples," the statement read. "It is the duty of this union to hold the clubs and teams accountable for safety and professionalism in the workplace."
During Martin's rookie season he was nicknamed "Big Weirdo" by his teammates, and was forced to sport an embarrassing haircut given to him by the offensive linemen. He also forked over $15,000 for a veterans trip to Las Vegas he didn't attend.
The Dolphins traditionally hold rite of passage rituals for its rookies, and some of the team's antics – which included ridiculous haircuts, hair dying, and elaborate dinners paid for by the rookies – could be considered hazing. Those would make them a violation of the NFL's personal conduct policy.
Sources say players were annually directed by coach Joe Philbin to "cut out" the rookie hazing. Philbin comes from a Green Bay Packers culture where rookie hazing is minimal, or at least subtle. While Philbin tried to rein it in with the Dolphins, he and his coaching staff never policed it when the team was dying and shaving heads for the second straight training camp.
However, Philbin did insist that the rookies got decent haircuts before the team's first exhibition game, but that was after weeks of them sporting their embarrassing looks.
Linebacker Dannell Ellerbe indicated that Martin should have come to the leadership council with his problems, which apparently carried over to his second season. The problem is Incognito was also on the leadership council, and possessed a tremendous amount of power and influence.
That might explains why Martin hid his issues with Incognito, and on occasion hung around with him in South Florida, and during road trips. It is possible Martin felt he had to do so to feel accepted.
According to ESPN, Martin told former Stanford teammate Zach Ertz he planned to continue playing football. The Dolphins have kept him on the team's 53-man roster, and players have gone out their way to make sure he knows he's welcomed back.
The sources told the paper they believe that Incognito, who is accused of using racially incendiary language and bullying tactics against Martin, may have taken those orders too far.
It's not clear whether those marching orders will now become part of a pending investigation by the NFL into the Dolphins' locker room culture, and the alleged bullying that took place between Incognito and Martin.
"I'm just trying to weather the storm right now. This will pass," Incognito told WSVN-TV when reached outside a doctor's office.
Incognito has been suspended indefinitely by the Dolphins for conduct detrimental to the team for his tactics involving Martin, the team's 2012 second-round pick, who left the team last week and later accused the Dolphins of having an unsafe working environment.
Martin's smoking gun is a threatening, and racially offensive voice mail Incognito left him in April. In that voice message Incognito calls Martin, who is bi-racial, a "half n-----," threatened to slap his mother across the face, and uttered the words "I'll kill you."
Sources say that communication took place when Martin skipped two days of the team's OTA program, and Incognito was encouraged by his coaches to make a call that would "get him into the fold," one source said.
Even though OTA workouts are voluntary, the NFL culture forces coaches to strong arm the team's leaders to make sure everyone attends. Sources say Incognito was doing his job, but they admit he crossed the line.
"Richie is the type of guy where if he's on your team you love him," a teammate said. "If he's not on your team, you hate him. Every team needs a guy like that."
A Dolphins spokesman declined comment when told about Incognito's directives from the coaching staff, saying the franchise is fully cooperating with the NFL's independent investigation, which was requested by owner Steve Ross.
It is clear Incognito embraced his role as the team's enforcer and tough guy, his teammates said. However, nobody knew how troubling his relationship was with Martin, who started 10 straight games next to Incognito going back to the 2012 season, those same teammates added.
Martin abruptly left the team last week after a lunch room prank orchestrated by his fellow offensive lineman caused his emotional distress, and forced him to return to his California hometown, where he's receiving treatment.
The NFL Player's Association released a statement Tuesday saying it will monitor the NFL's investigation to ensure all the players the union represents, which includes Incognito, get a "fair investigation."
"We expect that the NFL and its clubs create a safe and professional workplace for all players and that owners, executives, coaches and players should set the best standards and examples," the statement read. "It is the duty of this union to hold the clubs and teams accountable for safety and professionalism in the workplace."
During Martin's rookie season he was nicknamed "Big Weirdo" by his teammates, and was forced to sport an embarrassing haircut given to him by the offensive linemen. He also forked over $15,000 for a veterans trip to Las Vegas he didn't attend.
The Dolphins traditionally hold rite of passage rituals for its rookies, and some of the team's antics – which included ridiculous haircuts, hair dying, and elaborate dinners paid for by the rookies – could be considered hazing. Those would make them a violation of the NFL's personal conduct policy.
Sources say players were annually directed by coach Joe Philbin to "cut out" the rookie hazing. Philbin comes from a Green Bay Packers culture where rookie hazing is minimal, or at least subtle. While Philbin tried to rein it in with the Dolphins, he and his coaching staff never policed it when the team was dying and shaving heads for the second straight training camp.
However, Philbin did insist that the rookies got decent haircuts before the team's first exhibition game, but that was after weeks of them sporting their embarrassing looks.
Linebacker Dannell Ellerbe indicated that Martin should have come to the leadership council with his problems, which apparently carried over to his second season. The problem is Incognito was also on the leadership council, and possessed a tremendous amount of power and influence.
That might explains why Martin hid his issues with Incognito, and on occasion hung around with him in South Florida, and during road trips. It is possible Martin felt he had to do so to feel accepted.
According to ESPN, Martin told former Stanford teammate Zach Ertz he planned to continue playing football. The Dolphins have kept him on the team's 53-man roster, and players have gone out their way to make sure he knows he's welcomed back.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Stop trying to bully me, I'm just getting info out as fast I can, thought an inflight movie might lighten the mood.
I did post it in the next post FYI, then I went and pasted the whole thing for those that can't seem to find it in their strength to click on links.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Someone has been preaching throughout about leadership and taking a hard look at Owner/GM/Coach/Asst Coaches...certainly the owner did not have a lot of knowledge about this, but you gotta cut the head off with Jeff Ireland and then start working your way down. Fire the OL coach Turner as well, let Philbin coach things out for the year, get a real GM in place and move forward.
If Ireland is gone because of this I would actually say something good came out of this. Miami extended Ireland in the off season but failed to inform anyone until Miami was 3-0...you see a pattern of bull#### from this organization.
If Ireland is gone because of this I would actually say something good came out of this. Miami extended Ireland in the off season but failed to inform anyone until Miami was 3-0...you see a pattern of bull#### from this organization.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
jurb26
Footballguy
Yes. What makes you think he cares about them and why should he?
Billy Bats
Footballguy
That doesn't sound too bad when you think they asked a team leader, and an offensive lineman to get his fellow lineman into camp. I doubt they asked him to be a racist, threaten to crap in his mouth and threaten to beat up his mother. Granted they probably should've known what Incognito might do, they probably should've told him to not be "too Richie" on him.
jurb26
Footballguy
What it shows is incompetence by the Mia coaches. How can they not know what kind of reputation Incognito has? It's well documented.
The issue is that the coaches think someone like Incognito is a team leader. Not only were there numerous signs he shouldn't be in that role, we now have proof it was inappropriate.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Right, which is why I said they should've know what he might do. Who appointed him to this leadership council in the first place?
Neofight
Footballguy
Still trying to find the part where Fitzgerald does not speak highly of Martin. MoP...?
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Martin sounds like a complete ####### pansy. Seriously, how many guys....anywhere on earth...haven't been given mounds of #### by their buddies or co-workers? This is part of being a guy.
Martin dropped $15,000 for a players trip to Vegas.....and he didn't go along with them. WTF? Dude sounds like a loner with issues. None of this excuses Incognito's behavior, but I'm with Antrel Rolle - at some point, Martin needs to man up. You know, put on the big boy pants.
Neofight
Footballguy
This shtick has been played out.
beef
Footballguy
disagreeing with mop is always the right thing. he truely is lost and will never get it.Indeed.Bingo.
But I think MoP will not see it that way.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
His fellow players/teammates...ironically Philbin/Ireland dismantled all the leaders from 2012 who went to Phlbin on Hard Knocks last year...wish I had the clip of Bush, Dansby, and Long telling Philbin they wanted to talk to him as the leaders of the team...Philbin blew them off basically and then all 3 LEADERS were gone from the team in 2013, great message he sent.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I heard him on CC today for 5 minutes in the car on my way to the cleaners and heard "You gotta pay"
I've posted tons of information here, if the board thinks I am painting this one side or the other I'm all ears but most folks are hitting the like buttons on a lot of my posts so I'll just keep on bringing it here and let you all sift thru it, thanks.
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Neofight
Footballguy
Link is there to sift through. Sounds like maybe you heard wrong or maybe your hearing has selective memory.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
What am I missing here. So the coaches told Incognito to toughen up Martin.
AND???
I'm guessing that hundreds of coaches have enlisted the help of veteran players to "toughen up" young players.
And I'm pretty sure they didn't envision Incognito "toughening him up" in the moronic fashion that he did.
AND???
I'm guessing that hundreds of coaches have enlisted the help of veteran players to "toughen up" young players.
And I'm pretty sure they didn't envision Incognito "toughening him up" in the moronic fashion that he did.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
What "shtick" are you talking about? I haven't been in the thread all day - unlike most of you, I work for a living.
Richie is a moron. Period. Case closed.
But what type of gladiator football player curls up in a ####### ball because some jarhead nutjob like Little Richie goes all ape on him? It's absurd.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
How do you envision that they envisioned him doing this? Taking him to Dave and Buster's?
https://twitter.com/68INCOGNITO/status/324263658819575809/photo/1
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Another thing I wanted to add is that Doug B earlier in the thread said I was walking the middle, posting some things that looked like I was backing Incognito and then also not backing Incgnito at all, I think he was frustrated with me for a little while but in the end I think we both respect each other, I know I do.
A good journalist(I'm not one) IMO should be a little neutral. I jumped on Florio as an editorial opinions piece, same with Whitlock, because the information should be delivered without bias. I don't watch Schefter much but it seems like he has a strong agenda beyond just the info...that and Incognito threatening him and challenging him, think that really got under Schefter's skin.
Mort last night saying "you can't write this" and tweeting a picture out of Incognito on a board before the Cinci/Miami game saying Martin was the easiest guy to scare.
I don't fall for the media bias and the quick rush to make a crusade league wide in the NFL over this. The Perfect Storm is more how I would describe it so far and obviously a lot of facts still to come. The tweets and VM from Incognito are pretty damning stuff no doubt.
Try to keep an open mind until we have all the facts, when we assume things, well you know the saying from the word assume. And I've learned the hard way over a long period of time not to assume much.
Again thanks for all the posts today everyone, lot of good links and info, great banter, spirited debate, good stuff.
A good journalist(I'm not one) IMO should be a little neutral. I jumped on Florio as an editorial opinions piece, same with Whitlock, because the information should be delivered without bias. I don't watch Schefter much but it seems like he has a strong agenda beyond just the info...that and Incognito threatening him and challenging him, think that really got under Schefter's skin.
Mort last night saying "you can't write this" and tweeting a picture out of Incognito on a board before the Cinci/Miami game saying Martin was the easiest guy to scare.
I don't fall for the media bias and the quick rush to make a crusade league wide in the NFL over this. The Perfect Storm is more how I would describe it so far and obviously a lot of facts still to come. The tweets and VM from Incognito are pretty damning stuff no doubt.
Try to keep an open mind until we have all the facts, when we assume things, well you know the saying from the word assume. And I've learned the hard way over a long period of time not to assume much.
Again thanks for all the posts today everyone, lot of good links and info, great banter, spirited debate, good stuff.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
You clearly don't have any idea what Florio is/does. He's not Ted Koppel, nor is he trying to be.And, it's fine to remain open to the fact that this story has multiple layers and textures. But, if the vm is legit, then it frankly renders all other considerations moot, particularly any attempts to slander Martin. He (Martin) may or may not be the most outstanding humans being alive, but none of that matters in light of Incognito's behavior. In fact, it's all pretty irrelevant juxtaposed against what Incognito has done here.Ministry of Pain said:
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
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Ministry of Pain
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Sorry bud, it's been that way all season, I have no idea if you are patting me on the back or spitting in my soup and quite frankly I don't care. I gave you ample opp to not be a jerk in here and you couldn't stop. In fact even beyond me I watched you try and bully so many other posters I gave up with you.
Sorry bud, it's been that way all season, I have no idea if you are patting me on the back or spitting in my soup and quite frankly I don't care. I gave you ample opp to not be a jerk in here and you couldn't stop. In fact even beyond me I watched you try and bully so many other posters I gave up with you.
Neofight
Footballguy
The Willy Loman angle is new, but the rest of it is overdone, and done much better.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Uber-critical Dolphins Fan #1-Shoot me!Who posted in: Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan MartinMember name - PostsMinistry of Pain 184MoveToSkypager 68Doug B 51RBM 45jurb26 35
Also home with the flu so I have had a little extra time to scroll thru twitter.
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JAMES!
Footballguy
On the voice mail Incognito said he was going to (expletive) in Martin's mouth. Anyone know what the expletive was? If it's too graphic can you just say which part of Incognito's body would be involved in the expletive? and if there's a substance involved is it a gas, solid or liquid?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
S_ _T
I'd like to buy an H please Pat
The intellectual would have said I'll rip your head off and #### down your throat but Incognito didn't go to Stanford so he just said I'll poop in your mouth.
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Doug B
Footballguy
I actually think the vm is small potatoes in the grand scheme. To me, the vets' use of rookies as ATMs, as chauffeurs, etc. is a much bigger deal.
JAMES!
Footballguy
So we could be talking gas, solid and liquid. All three in play.
Seriously, if someone said they were going to crap in your mouth. wouldn't you laugh at them?
Jewell
Footballguy
Jewell
Footballguy
Numerous ESPN personalities who played or coached in the NFL have said that rookies picking up the tab, acting as chauffeurs, etc. is commonplace in every NFL locker room and has been part of league for as long as they could remember. That's why more focus has been placed on Incognito's threatening and racial voicemails and text messages because that behavior is rare and egregious.
