dou_che move? Strategic move? (1 Viewer)

[atcdav]

It's all about karma, right?

My week 5 opponent has Romo and McCoy for QBs, both on a bye. His is a divisional opponent, we are tied 2-1 in division and his team is very good IMO.

WW has:

Campbell @ HOU.....Dalton @ JAX.... AlexSmith vs TB.... TJax @ NYG.... Gabbert vs CIN...and Painter/Collins vs KC

I was considering grabbing Campbell, but he has lots of options and there is a chance one of these guys will put up serviceable numbers. So don't bother? or grab the QB will highest upside for week 5?

This scenario has been asked before, I am in the camp of not a dou_che move if you think you can gain an advantage but I am not so sure there is an advantage to gain here. It is war ya know.

 

[TheAssassin]

Playing "keep away" if you hold them thru the game is not a massingil move. I'm not sure any of those QBs is above the others, if you have fodder, I'd pick up Cambell.

 

[DoubleG]

First off, trying to corner the market on a position or blocking a would-be opponent isn't a bad move in and of itself. When it doesn't make sense is when it hurts your team in the process (and maybe longer than you are hurting an opponent(s)).

The other thing is, sometimes it works, and other times it backfires. In your example, you might snag the guy YOU think has the most upside, but that week, it might be the guy you left him with that has a good game. I think sometimes - unless the QB is going up against a really good pass defense, it's hard to predict anyway.

Since Matt Ryan has come into the league, I have had him and Peyton Manning. For the last couple years, I just had Ryan fill in for the bye, so I only needed to carry 2 QBs - Ryan has never had a good week on Manning's bye (despite having some solid seasons). With QBs, matchups aren't always easy to predict.

ETA: Karma is a farce. The FF Gods piss on whoever they feel like...unless you wish injury on a guy publicly - then your doomed.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I don't understand these threads. The waiver wire is NOT your opponent's extended bench. He doesn't have any right to those players, nor any expectation that it's "hands off" until he chooses the one he wants.

You have just as much right to those guys as anyone else. It's a fantasy owner's move; nothing else. If a QB is worth more to you than the guy you drop...do it.

 

[Captain Hook]

You must have a lot of roster spots if you can waste one on this instead of fortifying your roster....otoh Campbell is a decent play this week in addition to Week 5 if you have crappy quarterbacks

 

[CalBear]

I don't understand these threads. The waiver wire is NOT your opponent's extended bench. He doesn't have any right to those players, nor any expectation that it's "hands off" until he chooses the one he wants.You have just as much right to those guys as anyone else. It's a fantasy owner's move; nothing else. If a QB is worth more to you than the guy you drop...do it.

I would agree with this, with one exception; the move of picking up everyone on the waiver wire and dropping them to keep your opponent from picking one up (like if he doesn't have a kicker a couple days before gametime) is a douchey move.As is circumventing the language filter.

 

[atcdav]

I don't understand these threads. The waiver wire is NOT your opponent's extended bench. He doesn't have any right to those players, nor any expectation that it's "hands off" until he chooses the one he wants.You have just as much right to those guys as anyone else. It's a fantasy owner's move; nothing else. If a QB is worth more to you than the guy you drop...do it.

I would agree with this, with one exception; the move of picking up everyone on the waiver wire and dropping them to keep your opponent from picking one up (like if he doesn't have a kicker a couple days before gametime) is a douchey move.As is circumventing the language filter.

this would be bush league and at least one of my leagues avoids this

 

[atcdav]

im sitting on 2 def and powell, so if a grab campbell I would drop 1of them. I grabbed henne and fitzpat off of waivers week 1. traded henne for helu, almost traded fitz for rogers just didnt move quick enuf. 1 owner has vick/mcnabb so I think it is a matter of time before he comes knocking. I think it is a mistake to leave "good" players on waivers if it can be avoided

 

[Righetti]

Early?

 

[barista]

I'm in a 12-team start 2 QB league... I drafted 6 QBs traded several times and still currently roster 5. I'm tied for first place and if Tebow ever starts. Ka-Prow!

The one guy who's new to the league whined about it but everyone else laughed at him. He finally scored McNabb off the waiver... I dropped him for Sidney Rice.

Not many bye week QBs in my league and the guy who had Rodgers lost Manning... he's starting Blaine Gabbert. It's a nutty league but fun if unconventional.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

Never a bad move, but none of those guys strike fear in week 5. Unless you have disposable players and deep rosters I probably wouldn't bother.

 

[chocula]

It is poor sportsmanship. My cousin played in a league where a guy would grab several defenses each week to prevent others from getting them. They all decided to grab a couple of extra defenses before that guy could do it one week. Karma will catch up and besides, it is just a bad move.

 

[da_budman]

It is poor sportsmanship. My cousin played in a league where a guy would grab several defenses each week to prevent others from getting them. They all decided to grab a couple of extra defenses before that guy could do it one week. Karma will catch up and besides, it is just a bad move.

Its poor sportsmanship if you add and drop defenses with the express purpose of getting them all locked. There is nothing wrong with picking up people in an attempt to block your opponent if you have the roster space. It's DUMB to try to do that with multiple defenses and you have a piss poor team if you have that many wasted roster spots to do so.

 

[Chaka]

It is not war.

It is not even remotely close to war.

 

[DoubleG]

It is poor sportsmanship. My cousin played in a league where a guy would grab several defenses each week to prevent others from getting them. They all decided to grab a couple of extra defenses before that guy could do it one week. Karma will catch up and besides, it is just a bad move.

Its poor sportsmanship if you add and drop defenses with the express purpose of getting them all locked. There is nothing wrong with picking up people in an attempt to block your opponent if you have the roster space. It's DUMB to try to do that with multiple defenses and you have a piss poor team if you have that many wasted roster spots to do so.

The OP didn't say "several" - he said 1. That's not poor sportsmanship. I am picking up Torrey Smith this week in my dynasty league (someone cut him to land Ridley) - I already have R. White, DJax, D. Moore, D. Alexander, Crabtree, R. Wayne, T. Young and D. Thomas - why take T.Smith? So no one else can. As WRs continue to get hurt, I'm playing teams starting A. Armstrong - and anyone who wants a WR, is going trade with me. It's sound strategy.

 

[footballnerd]

roster spots are too valuable. you pick up that qb while someone else takes the backup rb you drop, you may think this is an advanced chess move, but a better owner will be thinking about the weeks ahead

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I don't understand these threads. The waiver wire is NOT your opponent's extended bench. He doesn't have any right to those players, nor any expectation that it's "hands off" until he chooses the one he wants.You have just as much right to those guys as anyone else. It's a fantasy owner's move; nothing else. If a QB is worth more to you than the guy you drop...do it.

I would agree with this, with one exception; the move of picking up everyone on the waiver wire and dropping them to keep your opponent from picking one up (like if he doesn't have a kicker a couple days before gametime) is a douchey move.As is circumventing the language filter.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I don't understand these threads. The waiver wire is NOT your opponent's extended bench. He doesn't have any right to those players, nor any expectation that it's "hands off" until he chooses the one he wants.You have just as much right to those guys as anyone else. It's a fantasy owner's move; nothing else. If a QB is worth more to you than the guy you drop...do it.

I would agree with this, with one exception; the move of picking up everyone on the waiver wire and dropping them to keep your opponent from picking one up (like if he doesn't have a kicker a couple days before gametime) is a douchey move.As is circumventing the language filter.

I agree, and that's totally different. That's taking advantage of a technological factor in the league's management site or software. I agree that's totally wrong and inappropriate.

 

[DonnieDarko420]

You should always ask yourself .... "What Would Jesus Do"

 

[JuSt CuZ]

Do what have to do to win within the letter of your leagues bylaws, if this is allowed, I would do it if it helps me win.

U should not care about being a nozzle, as u might have a better shot at a victory.

 

[pittstownkiller]

You should always ask yourself .... "What Would Jesus Do"

He wouldn't be playing fantasy football...more like fantasy hockey; the sport of kings!

 

[netnalp]

You should always ask yourself .... "What Would Jesus Do"

He'd probably point out that the commissioner failed to put a rule against "acts of God" in the league charter.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Pick up campbell, the drop him immediately for another qb on the ww. Repeat until all qbs are on the ww, but on waivers so that they can't be picked up this week at all! Now that is debatably a ##### move. Yours is fair play.

 

[The Bald Guy]

I think you should do it. You have every right to do what you need to do to win and make the playoffs. Second, the other owner isn't that bright if he has 2 qb's on his team with the same bye week. He set himself up for this kind of move

 

[PewterFan]

I blame the rules.

 

[Bobtender]

It is poor sportsmanship. My cousin played in a league where a guy would grab several defenses each week to prevent others from getting them. They all decided to grab a couple of extra defenses before that guy could do it one week. Karma will catch up and besides, it is just a bad move.

Its poor sportsmanship if you add and drop defenses with the express purpose of getting them all locked. There is nothing wrong with picking up people in an attempt to block your opponent if you have the roster space. It's DUMB to try to do that with multiple defenses and you have a piss poor team if you have that many wasted roster spots to do so.

ThisIf there is nothing against it in the rules, it is all part of the game.It relates to... in MLB when one teams blocks another team from picking a player uip off the WW after the trade deadline.

 

[Bobtender]

You should always ask yourself .... "What Would Jesus Do"

pullesse

 

[atcdav]

It is not war.It is not even remotely close to war.

your so literal

 

[atcdav]

It is poor sportsmanship. My cousin played in a league where a guy would grab several defenses each week to prevent others from getting them. They all decided to grab a couple of extra defenses before that guy could do it one week. Karma will catch up and besides, it is just a bad move.

Its poor sportsmanship if you add and drop defenses with the express purpose of getting them all locked. There is nothing wrong with picking up people in an attempt to block your opponent if you have the roster space. It's DUMB to try to do that with multiple defenses and you have a piss poor team if you have that many wasted roster spots to do so.

charging higher transactions fees is also a good deterrent for these tactics

 

[Short Corner]

I don't understand these threads. The waiver wire is NOT your opponent's extended bench. He doesn't have any right to those players, nor any expectation that it's "hands off" until he chooses the one he wants.You have just as much right to those guys as anyone else. It's a fantasy owner's move; nothing else. If a QB is worth more to you than the guy you drop...do it.

I would agree with this, with one exception; the move of picking up everyone on the waiver wire and dropping them to keep your opponent from picking one up (like if he doesn't have a kicker a couple days before gametime) is a douchey move.As is circumventing the language filter.

I agree, and that's totally different. That's taking advantage of a technological factor in the league's management site or software. I agree that's totally wrong and inappropriate.

I have guys in my league who play WW def and kicker every week. On tuesday they immediately drop both and pick up speculative position players until they decide to fill out their starting line ups later in the week. IMO, they are using a loophole to expand their rosters and deserve what they get if someone wants to throw the player pool back into waivers. FWIW, I gave the league fair warning that I would do this if I were playing someone who left themselves exposed in this manner.

 

[DoubleG]

It is not war.It is not even remotely close to war.

your so literal

You are = "You're", not "your"[/languagepolice] [/smoo]Carry on.

 

[Chaka]

It is not war.It is not even remotely close to war.

your so literal

No. I just think war analogies in sport minimize the nature of war and add false value to sports.

 

[BaBastage]

Pick up campbell, the drop him immediately for another qb on the ww. Repeat until all qbs are on the ww, but on waivers so that they can't be picked up this week at all! Now that is debatably a ##### move. Yours is fair play.

This is why every league should have some sort of rule saying either "Any player added and dropped between games immediately goes back to the player pool and is not subject to waivers", or "idiot owners who try to scheme the letter of the law with poor sportsmanship will be kicked out of our league."Since #2 is too vague, I'd suggest #1.And op, don't circumvent the language filter. There's a reason Joe and the mods want to keep it clean and we are here as their guests. We can curse somewhere else.

 

[DoubleG]

Pick up campbell, the drop him immediately for another qb on the ww. Repeat until all qbs are on the ww, but on waivers so that they can't be picked up this week at all! Now that is debatably a ##### move. Yours is fair play.

This is why every league should have some sort of rule saying either "Any player added and dropped between games immediately goes back to the player pool and is not subject to waivers", or "idiot owners who try to scheme the letter of the law with poor sportsmanship will be kicked out of our league."Since #2 is too vague, I'd suggest #1.And op, don't circumvent the language filter. There's a reason Joe and the mods want to keep it clean and we are here as their guests. We can curse somewhere else.

...coming from the guy whose username is bastage. Careful not to fall off that horse - it's pretty high.

 

[aardball44]

Never a bad move, but none of those guys strike fear in week 5. Unless you have disposable players and deep rosters I probably wouldn't bother.

Agreed. I would allow the other owner to "pick his poison" and then hope he picks poorly. A bad waiver wire decision will have him on tilt for another week or two, depending on who he drops to free up a roster spot. If he chooses well, it's still unlikely any of those QBs is going to put up blazing numbers this week. If he hits a home run with his pick, oh well, your team is still better top to bottom, you'll just beat him by a narrower margin... (...right?)

 

[aardball44]

You should always ask yourself .... "What Would Jesus Do"

He wouldn't be playing fantasy football...more like fantasy hockey; the sport of kings!

Too much cross-checking.

 

[aardball44]

It is poor sportsmanship. My cousin played in a league where a guy would grab several defenses each week to prevent others from getting them. They all decided to grab a couple of extra defenses before that guy could do it one week. Karma will catch up and besides, it is just a bad move.

Its poor sportsmanship if you add and drop defenses with the express purpose of getting them all locked. There is nothing wrong with picking up people in an attempt to block your opponent if you have the roster space. It's DUMB to try to do that with multiple defenses and you have a piss poor team if you have that many wasted roster spots to do so.

charging higher transactions fees is also a good deterrent for these tactics

Thi$.

 

[pittstownkiller]

You should always ask yourself .... "What Would Jesus Do"

He wouldn't be playing fantasy football...more like fantasy hockey; the sport of kings!

Too much cross-checking.

Touche!

 

[BaBastage]

...coming from the guy whose username is bastage. Careful not to fall off that horse - it's pretty high.

Point taken... But "*******" isn't a no-no word on the language filter, And my name and avatar is from "Johnny Dangerously" (a pg rated film) with the famous line of "You fargin, sneaky bastage!"

 

[Stinkin Ref]

adding and dropping players so they are locked for the week is not cool and most leagues should have things in place so this does not happen.....

what you are asking is perfectly acceptable and you should be looking for ways to improve your chances of winning.....you may make the wrong decision and he may pick up one of the other guys that "goes off" next week, but you should definately make a move if it doesn't cost your team in the long run...

in this situation, if I was the other owner, I would be looking at picking up Campbell so you may want to look at snagging him and making that owner beat you with one of the other fellas....although Painter might be a nice start against my Chiefs....

 

[The Doctor]

strategic

im grabbing torain just because every other team is looking for a rb

i may use him or try to trade him off

 

[The Doctor]

adding and dropping players so they are locked for the week is not cool and most leagues should have things in place so this does not happen.....

what you are asking is perfectly acceptable and you should be looking for ways to improve your chances of winning.....you may make the wrong decision and he may pick up one of the other guys that "goes off" next week, but you should definately make a move if it doesn't cost your team in the long run...

in this situation, if I was the other owner, I would be looking at picking up Campbell so you may want to look at snagging him and making that owner beat you with one of the other fellas....although Painter might be a nice start against my Chiefs....

im guilty for exploiting the system