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Doug Martin values goes up! (1 Viewer)

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Bucs rookie RB Charles Sims will miss 12-14 weeks after undergoing surgery on his right ankle.

Source: Rick Stroud on Twitter

 
Lol was not posted as a celebration if injury just passing on news. I'm still not interested in Martin I actually think Bobby Rainey is a better back. Won't matter to much bucs Oline is horrible

 
IMO if Martin misses time, RBBC with Rainey and James. I'm wondering if they bring in a camp cut (A. Brown or another). Tampa beat writers should clue us in imminently.

 
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I think Mike James is the answer. He is more of an every down back, and he was effective when used last season. Rainey broke off some big plays, but his YPC was well under 4.

 
shadyridr said:
Didnt TB have a stud OLine two yrs ago? What happened?
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I don't think they ever actually had a stud O-line. Wasn't it just that people thought their o-line was going to be studly when they signed Carl Nicks and already had Davin Joseph? Then both got hurt and Nicks pretty much never ended up playing for them. Both are gone now.

 
I own Martin and was upset when they drafted Simms. I'm never happy when a guy gets hurt, but now that it happened I absolutely feel better about Martin. That simple really, imo

 
I feel like we are going to be in the exact same spot with Martin next year if he has a mediocre year. Is he just not that good or is a crappy O keeping him from low-end RB1/high-end RB2 numbers?

 
Andrew74 said:
I feel like we are going to be in the exact same spot with Martin next year if he has a mediocre year. Is he just not that good or is a crappy O keeping him from low-end RB1/high-end RB2 numbers?
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He was an RB1 his rookie year and was hurt virtually all of his 2nd season. Give him some time.
 
shadyridr said:
Didnt TB have a stud OLine two yrs ago? What happened?
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Carl Nicks got hurt and is now dead or whatever and Joseph broke his knee in a preseason game 2 years ago.

They have what should be now 3/5 of a good line. Collins is a above-average LT, Dotson is a top-5 RT and Dietrich-Smith seems to be at least an average center.

Guard is a sore sport.

 
dickey moe said:
Andrew74 said:
I feel like we are going to be in the exact same spot with Martin next year if he has a mediocre year. Is he just not that good or is a crappy O keeping him from low-end RB1/high-end RB2 numbers?
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He was an RB1 his rookie year and was hurt virtually all of his 2nd season. Give him some time.
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he was an RB1 due to two games his first season, outside of that his YPC has been well short of 4 and he's used massive volume to make it up. whether he gets that massive volume with a new coaching staff remains to be seen

 
I definitely like him more so in PPR now. I think 2nd round sounds about right; I'd bump him over Ellington, Foster and likely Bell.

 
SameSongNDance said:
I definitely like him more so in PPR now. I think 2nd round sounds about right; I'd bump him over Ellington, Foster and likely Bell.
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This. Just took him in the 2nd in a 16 team survivor after ball, bell, Murray and Lynch.

 
massraider said:
cstu said:
Most importantly....

The Bucs didn't draft a RB.
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Ha. Also just told him he's gone after this year.
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Just like Saints did with Ingram. I believe Martin has a very good chance at a good year. Probably not his rookie year but will be a solid RB.

I saw enough of Sims to know Martin is the Superior back so as long as he stays healthy he's going to be solid.

Feels very much like Ingram from last season. Bucs saw how that played out and probably hoping for a similar outcome. Ingram is still a Saint despite not getting his 5th year picked up.

 
massraider said:
Coeur de Lion said:
massraider said:
cstu said:
Most importantly....

The Bucs didn't draft a RB.
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Ha. Also just told him he's gone after this year.
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Ehh... more like they didn't want to guarantee him $5.6 million in 2016 as of right now.
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There is no guarantee. They can cut him any time before kickoff next year and not pay a dime. Guaranteed for injury only.

Vikings picked up Kalil's option, and they are pretty sure he sucks.
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I personally read it as more "we'll see" than "you're gone," but who knows at this point.

 
Andrew74 said:
Saw the thread title and was hoping to read he got traded to Dallas. So disappointing.
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He still might. The Bucs are signaling they are letting him become a free agent next year so they might as well get something for him if they believe Sims is their starter.

 
Billy Ball Thorton said:
massraider said:
cstu said:
Most importantly....

The Bucs didn't draft a RB.
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Ha. Also just told him he's gone after this year.
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I saw enough of Sims to know Martin is the Superior back so as long as he stays healthy he's going to be solid.

Feels very much like Ingram from last season. Bucs saw how that played out and probably hoping for a similar outcome. Ingram is still a Saint despite not getting his 5th year picked up.
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His 66 carries coming off a broken ankle was all you needed to see?

 
Pewter Report says the Bucs want to feature Charles Sims this season.
Pewter Report is one of the best team blogs out there. "Still think Doug Martin may not play a down in Tampa this year and may get traded prior to the season," they tweeted Monday in the wake of Martin's fifth-year option getting declined. It's clear the Lovie Smith regime is understandably low on Muscle Hamster and high on its hand-picked man in Sims. But they have plenty of cap room and Sims has the look of a change-of-pace/passing-down back right now. It's a situation to track this offseason, especially with the Bucs improving their run-game outlook by adding two offensive linemen in the second round of the draft. May 4 - 9:42 AM
Source: Pewter Report on Twitter


 
I'm no Doug Martin fan, but it is worth noting that Sims was by far the worst runner on the team last year...

I have no doubt they want to move on from Doug, but within a few games, they'll want to move on from Sims, too.

 
FF Ninja said:
I'm no Doug Martin fan, but it is worth noting that Sims was by far the worst runner on the team last year...

I have no doubt they want to move on from Doug, but within a few games, they'll want to move on from Sims, too.
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That remains to be seen but it's possible.

just won't draw many conclusions from an injured rookie year.

 
FUBAR said:
FF Ninja said:
I'm no Doug Martin fan, but it is worth noting that Sims was by far the worst runner on the team last year...

I have no doubt they want to move on from Doug, but within a few games, they'll want to move on from Sims, too.
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That remains to be seen but it's possible.

just won't draw many conclusions from an injured rookie year.
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He was healthy when he played. His advanced stats in the passing game were actually quite good, indicating he was fully healthy, just not a good runner. I suspect he has a long career as a 3rd down specialist.

 
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