ponchsox
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10 days? He is likely to miss weeks.
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Downgrade Forte? (1 Viewer)
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Warrior
Footballguy
"Whew"? "10 days"? You're joking, right?
Yup plan on being without forte for several weeks. Yipeeee! Not...
Bush is the man now I guess
The Bears believe the injury that knocked Matt Forte out of Thursday's game is a high-ankle sprainThis comes as no surprise to anyone who saw the replay of Forte twisting the ankle under Charles Woodson's knee. It's horrendous news for Forte's fantasy value, as he was playing at perhaps the highest level of his career. High-ankle sprains typically keep a skill-position player sidelined four weeks, limiting the ability to make cuts at peak form even longer. It's quite possible Forte may not recapture his pre-injury explosiveness the rest of the season. A must-own in all formats, Michael Bush will take over as a three-down back in the meantime.
Sep. 14 - 8:20 a.m. ET
The Bears believe the injury that knocked Matt Forte out of Thursday's game is a high-ankle sprainThis comes as no surprise to anyone who saw the replay of Forte twisting the ankle under Charles Woodson's knee. It's horrendous news for Forte's fantasy value, as he was playing at perhaps the highest level of his career. High-ankle sprains typically keep a skill-position player sidelined four weeks, limiting the ability to make cuts at peak form even longer. It's quite possible Forte may not recapture his pre-injury explosiveness the rest of the season. A must-own in all formats, Michael Bush will take over as a three-down back in the meantime.
Sep. 14 - 8:20 a.m. ET
djjosee
Footballguy
Is this what DMC had last year?
kegger
Footballguy
Gotcha, cool I'll mark that down..
bostonfred
Footballguy
Some players are more injury prone than others. It might be because they run too high or they initiate contact, or that they don't run out of bounds as quickly as their peers, or that they have brittle bird bones. Some guys just don't want it that badly, but I tend to think that's overrated as a predictor, because players want it more when they find out they have a reputation for nursing injuries. But the one predictor that does seem valid is having an nfl starting caliber backup. If you hurt your ankle in the nfl, you play through it. Unless you have a backup like bush in a one back system, in which case you sit out and get healthy. Because a coach really does have the ability, and the motivation, to say, why risk it?
RBM
Footballguy
No, he had a foot injury. Lisfranc I think.
Lis Franc fracture....
Matt Forte for the $50 in winnings you haven't paid me for years you thief.
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Insoxicated
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Insoxicated
Oh cmon... surely you've got some depth....I got hit with this in a $120 league as well but it's not the end of the world.
So you're implying an injury makes the original thread premise correct?
Trying to stay positive as a Forte owner in 2 different leagues. The early bye week helps. All speculation on how long he is out, but he could miss the next 3 games, have his bye, and hopefully be ready by Week 7. Thats 5 weeks and 2 days. If he misses just 3 games, its not a death sentence for fantasy teams. Then again, I think back to Pierre Thomas 2 years ago who took forever to come back from his high ankle sprain. Felt like I waited forever on that one. Unfortunate, because Forte's role in the passing game was looking great with Marshall/Jeffrey clearing out tons of space for him to gain big chunks of yardage.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
I targeted Forte in nearly all my leagues this season but I have to admit the injury risk was always in the back of the mind. Tried to pair him up with Bush as a backup as much as possible.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I don't think Forte is any bigger injury risk than any of the rb's.That was unlucky. Nothing Forte could have done differently on that play to prevent it. It is a physical sport and it happens.
That Green Gentleman
Footballguy
Luckily I am a Forte owner with Spiller. Maybe Spiller can hold off Jackson when he returns, but if he can't hopefully Forte is back by then.
FarEastKilla
Footballguy
That's why Bears paid Bush a $4million signing bonus, always follow the money.
Okay, I'm following the money. The Bears paid Forte $17 million guaranteed. Where, exactly, was I supposed to be following this money to?
The implication that the Bears paid Bush because they expected Forte to get hurt is ludicrous. This isn't a RB like Best who has a history of concussions, or a guy coming off of a major ACL injury like Jamaal Charles or Peterson. A sprained ankle (whether it be a HAS or "normal" sprain) is one of the dangers that ALL NFL RBs face. To suggest that "following the money" the Bears paid Bush indicates they knew/suspected Forte would sustain a HAS in week 2 is insane.My other RBs are:Gore, Ryan Williams, DeAngelo Williams, Leshoure, Mendenhall, and McCluster.My WRs are: Megatron, Julio, AJ Green, and Dez. GO PASSING GAMES!!!
shnikies
Footballguy
If it were 1992, that would be a lot of money. This is copied from earlier in the thread that you didn't read:We're really talking about a 28-year-old goal-line back who counts exactly $2 mil against the cap this year. Which makes him just slightly less cap expensive than Kellen Davis and just slightly more expensive than Adam Podlesh. The punter. His cap hit is less than $100,000 more than LaRod Stephens-Howling this year. It's lower than Brandon Jackson in Cleveland. $400,000 less than John Kuhn. $800,000 less than Hillis. $1.37 million less than Leon Washington in Seattle.
Warrior
Footballguy
Since when does this year's cap number have anything to do with how a team views their RBs? Doug Martin makes less than Michael Bush, are you telling me he doesn't figure as highly into Tampa Bay's plans as Bush did to the Bears to begin the season?
shnikies
Footballguy
The point is that they didn't give him $18m guaranteed, they gave him $4m. What money would we be following? Should we follow Brandon Jackson's money?
Did you read the original post? He was refuting FarEastKilla's point that if you "follow the money" that the Bears paid Bush indicates that he was an overly integral part of the Bears team. When you consider that the money paid to Bush is WAY less than what they committed to Forte (and on par with their TE and punter), it tells us that the cap number/money given to Bush means nothing.
Warrior
Footballguy
Hmm...I guess not. Carry on
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Are you suggesting that rookie contracts and free agent contracts are comparable in that regard?
J-Stew had a high ankle sprain in pre-season, had to be carted off, and was in crutches following his injury. That was 3 weeks ago and he's playing Sunday. Forte walked off under his own power, got worked on on the sidelines and walked to the lockerroom when it didn't get better.
Chill.
Chill.
shadyridr
Footballguy
WE DONT GIVE A ####
shadyridr
Footballguy
no he didnt
FarEastKilla
Footballguy
Forte's longevity a factor in contract talksBears concerned how 26-year-old running back's knees will hold upMay 26, 2012|David Haugh's In the Wake of the NewsOkay, I'm following the money. The Bears paid Forte $17 million guaranteed. Where, exactly, was I supposed to be following this money to?
phrozen
Footballguy
I thought Forte injured his ankle?Forte's longevity a factor in contract talksBears concerned how 26-year-old running back's knees will hold upMay 26, 2012|David Haugh's In the Wake of the NewsOkay, I'm following the money. The Bears paid Forte $17 million guaranteed. Where, exactly, was I supposed to be following this money to?
FarEastKilla
Footballguy
$4 million Signing bonus is guaranteed "front load" money. Most of the players you mentioned received little or no signing bonus."$100,000 more than LaRod Stephens-Howling this year" + $4,000,000
"$400,000 less than John Kuhn." = 10 years x $400,000=$4,000,000
"$800,000 less than Hillis"= No singing bonus= 5 years x $800,000=$4,000,000
you get the point. Any player would love to "front load" majority of contract as signing bonus (Guaranteed) and take lower annual contract salary.
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Funkley
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As much chance of that happening as there is of Bush holding off Forte.
FarEastKilla
Footballguy
Then add that to the list of concerns.I thought Forte injured his ankle?Forte's longevity a factor in contract talksBears concerned how 26-year-old running back's knees will hold upMay 26, 2012|David Haugh's In the Wake of the NewsOkay, I'm following the money. The Bears paid Forte $17 million guaranteed. Where, exactly, was I supposed to be following this money to?
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
So - let's say you have a solid RB2 waiting in the wings - if you trade FOR Forte, what do you think of his chances of doing damage in the playoffs?
Because I might do this.
Because I might do this.
Serious questionForte's longevity a factor in contract talksBears concerned how 26-year-old running back's knees will hold upMay 26, 2012|David Haugh's In the Wake of the NewsOkay, I'm following the money. The Bears paid Forte $17 million guaranteed. Where, exactly, was I supposed to be following this money to?
o you understand the concepts of posturing during contract negotiations? Perhaps about players and management "negotiating through the media?" Because that is what this was.The Bears were putting this out there for several reasons:1-In case they didn't get a contract worked out with Forte, they would have an "out" with regards to their fans-"we didn't pay him because his knees are shot."2-They were trying to "drive down" Forte's value. If this "news" that Forte's knees were bad was believed by other NFL teams, then his value would be diminished. So, the idea of trying to hold out and force a trade, or sign the franchise tender for 1 year and try to become a FA would not have been as lucrative for Forte.The fact that the Bears ultimately signed Forte to a long-term deal, with a fair amount of guaranteed money demonstrates that there "concern about his knees" was nothing more than negotiation tactics. That is pretty easy to see.Everybody including myself were wondering why they included Blount and Carter with Forte. Now it makes perfect sense. I think whoever wrote this is clairvoyant so you better pay attention to their future posts.
Right now, probably a Deangelo Williams and a case of IcyHotIn 5 weeks, probably a Michael Bush
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
That was my offer as well, plus some WR change.
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Warrior
Footballguy
Judging from the posts I've read in this thread, Forte owners would likely be asking for more in a trade today than they were asking last week.
After one week, you're already a lock for the playoffs?That must be a good feeling.
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Some leagues have deep playoffs (ie 6 people make it out of 10-12)... in those leagues you can often get a prety good feel for how you're going to fare based on how your team is shaking out, as well as based on years of experience in that league. Perhaps it's overconfidence but the one league I own him in is one that I'm in the playoffs perennially. The point (I guess) for the masses is consider your situation within the league. Do you NEED to shore up over the next 3-4 weeks, possibly at the expense of production later in the year? OR can you keep enough oars in the water without him to get through the month or so he might miss and then enjoy being back to full-ish strength when the money is on the table.
