Dr. Gobbler welched out on his bet from year ago in this thread (2 Viewers)

[timschochet]

It's slightly bizarre that two stars on different teams playing Friday night have been chatting casually about their prospective dynamic should one of them join the other. nge-newline">

This is pretty rich coming .from a Heat fan.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It's slightly bizarre that two stars on different teams playing Friday night have been chatting casually about their prospective dynamic should one of them join the other. nge-newline">

This is pretty rich coming .from a Heat fan.

I didn't write it Sir Tim, just pasted from CBS, sorry that wasn't clear.

 

[tommyGunZ]

By Matt Moore

There are various rules and regulations that prohibit NBA teams and players from talking to one another in regards to recruiting for a trade. But when that player has been given permission to talk to other teams, that all goes out the window. Such is the case with Dwight Howard and Kobe Bryant, who have apparently become like teenage girls gabbing on the phone with Howard weighing where he wants to be traded to, if at all. Unfortuntely for Lakers fans, it doesn't sound like Bryant's doing a great job as a pitch man. From the Los Angeles Times:

Kobe Bryant has had at least one in-depth phone conversation with Howard recently, even discussing how Howard might fit in with the Lakers' scheme.

One person with knowledge of the conversation said Howard came away feeling as if he wouldn't be the Lakers' top option, for obvious reasons. It's Bryant's team.

via Lakers-Magic center swap might be on back burner - latimes.com.It's slightly bizarre that two stars on different teams playing Friday night have been chatting casually about their prospective dynamic should one of them join the other. But that's the new NBA.

Bryant scaring off Howard is pretty much the most Kobe thing ever. Yes, the Lakers are 10-5, but they've also looked very beatable this season, more like a "good team that isn't winning a title" than a true contender, never more so than against the Heat (without Dwyane Wade) Thursday night. And yet Bryant has to make sure Howard knows the pecking order. It's his team, and no Defensive Player of the Year, MVP candidate, most dominant center in the league is going to come in and take touches away from him. Bryant feels he's earned the right to determine his order in the pecking order, what with the rings and the Hall of Fame eventually and everything.

But this isn't how you bring a talent like Howard in. That's not how his makeup is geared. You have to try and get him excited. But if Bryant is good with his guys, this is a great effort to sabotage a trade, which the Times says is on the back burner, with both teams not having talked for weeks.

At least if Howard does push for and agree to a trade to the Lakers, he'll know for sure what he's getting into. It won't be Dwight's team. It will be Bryant's.<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">

So when Howard is dealt to LA, and signs the long term extension, will you come back praising Kobe's ability to convince top players to play with him?

ETA: I see that part wasn't your opinion, it was the CBS sport writer's. Format that #### properly MOP - you're a grizzled vet!

 

[Shrugs]

Bynum, Gasol, Ebanks, Morris, Lakers 2012 first rounder, Dallas 2012 first rounder for Howard, Anderson, Nelson and Reddick. Let's get it done.

 

[timschochet]

Bynum, Gasol, Ebanks, Morris, Lakers 2012 first rounder, Dallas 2012 first rounder for Howard, Anderson, Nelson and Reddick. Let's get it done.

I don't think Orlando makes that trade.

 

[Shrugs]

Bynum, Gasol, Ebanks, Morris, Lakers 2012 first rounder, Dallas 2012 first rounder for Howard, Anderson, Nelson and Reddick. Let's get it done.

I don't think Orlando makes that trade.

Perhaps not. But if they want Gasol in the deal, Gasol and Anderson won't fit well together anyway. I believe Orlando would see it as a positive to clear the salaries of Nelson and Reddick.

 

[timschochet]

Bynum, Gasol, Ebanks, Morris, Lakers 2012 first rounder, Dallas 2012 first rounder for Howard, Anderson, Nelson and Reddick. Let's get it done.

I don't think Orlando makes that trade.

Perhaps not. But if they want Gasol in the deal, Gasol and Anderson won't fit well together anyway. I believe Orlando would see it as a positive to clear the salaries of Nelson and Reddick.

I don't want to give up Gasol and Bynum to get Howard. I would ;prefer to keep them and use the Odom money to get a point guard. Perhaps there's a way to use this money to get Steve Nash? A guy like that would transform this entire team.

 

[Max Power]

By Matt Moore

they've also looked very beatable this season, more like a "good team that isn't winning a title" than a true contender

This is my feeling as well. But I think the Lakers are going to be stuck playing the hand they were dealt. The team has no depth and no attractive player to move with Gasol or Bynum to get an upgrade. If they move them both, the front court depth is laughable at that point.

 

[the moops]

Perhaps there's a way to use this money to get Steve Nash? A guy like that would transform this entire team.

There is no way to make that happen, at least not with Odoms trade exception. It cannot be combined with another players salary to net someone with a larger salary.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

I hope every team in the league watched the last two games and realizes that the Lakers are desperate. First option is do nothing with the Lakers and watch them wither and eventually eat themselves or only offer trades that heavily favor themselves because the Lakers are ripe for a fleecing.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Howard is a man. This season isnt a championship year for the lakers anyway. They should be willing to deal any and everybody on that team for Howard and then build around him over the next 1-2 years. Bynum isnt anchoring any championships and gasol doesnt have many seasons left it seems.

 

[drummer]

Howard is a man. This season isnt a championship year for the lakers anyway. They should be willing to deal any and everybody on that team for Howard and then build around him over the next 1-2 years. Bynum isnt anchoring any championships and gasol doesnt have many seasons left it seems.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I hope every team in the league watched the last two games and realizes that the Lakers are desperate. First option is do nothing with the Lakers and watch them wither and eventually eat themselves or only offer trades that heavily favor themselves because the Lakers are ripe for a fleecing.

Yeah, b/c Orlando has so much leverage.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

Two words: Ricky Rubio. I don't know how the Lakers get him but he's more important than Dwight Howard.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I hope every team in the league watched the last two games and realizes that the Lakers are desperate. First option is do nothing with the Lakers and watch them wither and eventually eat themselves or only offer trades that heavily favor themselves because the Lakers are ripe for a fleecing.

Yeah, b/c Orlando has so much leverage.

They may choose to contend this season and take their chances.

 

[Max Power]

Nevermind, I'm in the wrong BBall thread.

How Bout Phil Jackson? Best coach of his generation.

 

[the moops]

Two words: Ricky Rubio. I don't know how the Lakers get him but he's more important than Dwight Howard.

The Wolves hadnt sold out a game in years. I think they sold out 3 or 4 this year. It is directly attributable to Rubio. There is a very, very small chance he plays anywhere but Minnesota for the next few years.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

I hope every team in the league watched the last two games and realizes that the Lakers are desperate. First option is do nothing with the Lakers and watch them wither and eventually eat themselves or only offer trades that heavily favor themselves because the Lakers are ripe for a fleecing.

Yeah, b/c Orlando has so much leverage.

They may choose to contend this season and take their chances.

this is exactly right and it doesn't help that the All Star Game is in Orlando this year. Dwight ain't going nowhere this year and Bynum got completely abused tonight who wants that oversized cream puff!

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

Two words: Ricky Rubio. I don't know how the Lakers get him but he's more important than Dwight Howard.

The Wolves hadnt sold out a game in years. I think they sold out 3 or 4 this year. It is directly attributable to Rubio. There is a very, very small chance he plays anywhere but Minnesota for the next few years.

You're probably right but his abilities are off the charts and he's still very very young. He has the ability to transform any team. If the Lakers want to do the usual Laker thing of bringing the best in, Rubio should be number one with a bullet.

 

[Premier]

I hope every team in the league watched the last two games and realizes that the Lakers are desperate. First option is do nothing with the Lakers and watch them wither and eventually eat themselves or only offer trades that heavily favor themselves because the Lakers are ripe for a fleecing.

Yeah, b/c Orlando has so much leverage.

They have quite a bit more than you think. The Lakers sure don't have any here.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I hope every team in the league watched the last two games and realizes that the Lakers are desperate. First option is do nothing with the Lakers and watch them wither and eventually eat themselves or only offer trades that heavily favor themselves because the Lakers are ripe for a fleecing.

Yeah, b/c Orlando has so much leverage.

They may choose to contend this season and take their chances.

Contend for what?

 

[Max Power]

I hope every team in the league watched the last two games and realizes that the Lakers are desperate. First option is do nothing with the Lakers and watch them wither and eventually eat themselves or only offer trades that heavily favor themselves because the Lakers are ripe for a fleecing.

Yeah, b/c Orlando has so much leverage.

They may choose to contend this season and take their chances.

Contend for what?

Eastern conference championship. I think they could beat the Heat if the cards fall right. Bulls match up very well against Orlando. Asik brings it when he plays Howard.

 

[Shrugs]

Bynum, Gasol, Ebanks, Morris, Lakers 2012 first rounder, Dallas 2012 first rounder for Howard, Anderson, Nelson and Reddick. Let's get it done.

I don't think Orlando makes that trade.

Perhaps not. But if they want Gasol in the deal, Gasol and Anderson won't fit well together anyway. I believe Orlando would see it as a positive to clear the salaries of Nelson and Reddick.

I don't want to give up Gasol and Bynum to get Howard. I would ;prefer to keep them and use the Odom money to get a point guard. Perhaps there's a way to use this money to get Steve Nash? A guy like that would transform this entire team.

And you said you didn't think my trade idea would happen? Also, the exception isn't something that can be traded. It's a hole that the Lakers can plug a salary obtained by trade into under the salary-cap rules. The Lakers need to shake this up. Bynum and Gasol both should go at some point. The Lakers were right to make that deal for Chris Paul. My idea is a way the Lakers can give up Bynum and Gasol for Howard and still improve. Anderson would fit perfectly into the role that the Lakers have put Gasol into this season -- shooting jumpers. Nelson and Reddick would solve the Lakers issues at PG and backup SG while also helping greatly with the outside shooting issues. I think Orlando would like to clear the salaries of Nelson and Reddick, particularly Nelson, and would consider including them for the young and inexpensive with some potential Ebanks and Morris a positive.

 

[Max Power]

Bynum, Gasol, Ebanks, Morris, Lakers 2012 first rounder, Dallas 2012 first rounder for Howard, Anderson, Nelson and Reddick. Let's get it done.

I don't think Orlando makes that trade.

Perhaps not. But if they want Gasol in the deal, Gasol and Anderson won't fit well together anyway. I believe Orlando would see it as a positive to clear the salaries of Nelson and Reddick.

I don't want to give up Gasol and Bynum to get Howard. I would ;prefer to keep them and use the Odom money to get a point guard. Perhaps there's a way to use this money to get Steve Nash? A guy like that would transform this entire team.

And you said you didn't think my trade idea would happen? Also, the exception isn't something that can be traded. It's a hole that the Lakers can plug a salary obtained by trade into under the salary-cap rules. The Lakers need to shake this up. Bynum and Gasol both should go at some point. The Lakers were right to make that deal for Chris Paul. My idea is a way the Lakers can give up Bynum and Gasol for Howard and still improve. Anderson would fit perfectly into the role that the Lakers have put Gasol into this season -- shooting jumpers. Nelson and Reddick would solve the Lakers issues at PG and backup SG while also helping greatly with the outside shooting issues. I think Orlando would like to clear the salaries of Nelson and Reddick, particularly Nelson, and would consider including them for the young and inexpensive with some potential Ebanks and Morris a positive.

Why would Orlando give up three starters and their sixth man for two starters and scrubs? Orlando would be better served letting Howard walk than take that deal.

 

[Shrugs]

Bynum, Gasol, Ebanks, Morris, Lakers 2012 first rounder, Dallas 2012 first rounder for Howard, Anderson, Nelson and Reddick. Let's get it done.

I don't think Orlando makes that trade.

Perhaps not. But if they want Gasol in the deal, Gasol and Anderson won't fit well together anyway. I believe Orlando would see it as a positive to clear the salaries of Nelson and Reddick.

I don't want to give up Gasol and Bynum to get Howard. I would ;prefer to keep them and use the Odom money to get a point guard. Perhaps there's a way to use this money to get Steve Nash? A guy like that would transform this entire team.

And you said you didn't think my trade idea would happen? Also, the exception isn't something that can be traded. It's a hole that the Lakers can plug a salary obtained by trade into under the salary-cap rules. The Lakers need to shake this up. Bynum and Gasol both should go at some point. The Lakers were right to make that deal for Chris Paul. My idea is a way the Lakers can give up Bynum and Gasol for Howard and still improve. Anderson would fit perfectly into the role that the Lakers have put Gasol into this season -- shooting jumpers. Nelson and Reddick would solve the Lakers issues at PG and backup SG while also helping greatly with the outside shooting issues. I think Orlando would like to clear the salaries of Nelson and Reddick, particularly Nelson, and would consider including them for the young and inexpensive with some potential Ebanks and Morris a positive.

Why would Orlando give up three starters and their sixth man for two starters and scrubs? Orlando would be better served letting Howard walk than take that deal.

Uh, what would you give the Lakers for Fisher, Barnes and Blake? That's two starters and their sixth man, so I guess a lot. Just because they are starters and a sixth man doesn't mean they are valued by their team, particularly when they are overpaid.

 

[Max Power]

Bynum, Gasol, Ebanks, Morris, Lakers 2012 first rounder, Dallas 2012 first rounder for Howard, Anderson, Nelson and Reddick. Let's get it done.

I don't think Orlando makes that trade.

Perhaps not. But if they want Gasol in the deal, Gasol and Anderson won't fit well together anyway. I believe Orlando would see it as a positive to clear the salaries of Nelson and Reddick.

I don't want to give up Gasol and Bynum to get Howard. I would ;prefer to keep them and use the Odom money to get a point guard. Perhaps there's a way to use this money to get Steve Nash? A guy like that would transform this entire team.

And you said you didn't think my trade idea would happen? Also, the exception isn't something that can be traded. It's a hole that the Lakers can plug a salary obtained by trade into under the salary-cap rules. The Lakers need to shake this up. Bynum and Gasol both should go at some point. The Lakers were right to make that deal for Chris Paul. My idea is a way the Lakers can give up Bynum and Gasol for Howard and still improve. Anderson would fit perfectly into the role that the Lakers have put Gasol into this season -- shooting jumpers. Nelson and Reddick would solve the Lakers issues at PG and backup SG while also helping greatly with the outside shooting issues. I think Orlando would like to clear the salaries of Nelson and Reddick, particularly Nelson, and would consider including them for the young and inexpensive with some potential Ebanks and Morris a positive.

Why would Orlando give up three starters and their sixth man for two starters and scrubs? Orlando would be better served letting Howard walk than take that deal.

Uh, what would you give the Lakers for Fisher, Barnes and Blake? That's two starters and their sixth man, so I guess a lot. Just because they are starters and a sixth man doesn't mean they are valued by their team, particularly when they are overpaid.

Is this for real? Anderson is averaging 17, Reddick at 12, and Nelson at 8 points a game this season. These aren't all world numbers, but that is value to their club. Lakers would be happy to get 15 points out of that group of scrubs you listed combined. Yeah Reddick and Nelson are a little overpaid, but who isn't in the NBA these days?

 

[Shrugs]

Bynum, Gasol, Ebanks, Morris, Lakers 2012 first rounder, Dallas 2012 first rounder for Howard, Anderson, Nelson and Reddick. Let's get it done.

I don't think Orlando makes that trade.

Perhaps not. But if they want Gasol in the deal, Gasol and Anderson won't fit well together anyway. I believe Orlando would see it as a positive to clear the salaries of Nelson and Reddick.

I don't want to give up Gasol and Bynum to get Howard. I would ;prefer to keep them and use the Odom money to get a point guard. Perhaps there's a way to use this money to get Steve Nash? A guy like that would transform this entire team.

And you said you didn't think my trade idea would happen? Also, the exception isn't something that can be traded. It's a hole that the Lakers can plug a salary obtained by trade into under the salary-cap rules. The Lakers need to shake this up. Bynum and Gasol both should go at some point. The Lakers were right to make that deal for Chris Paul. My idea is a way the Lakers can give up Bynum and Gasol for Howard and still improve. Anderson would fit perfectly into the role that the Lakers have put Gasol into this season -- shooting jumpers. Nelson and Reddick would solve the Lakers issues at PG and backup SG while also helping greatly with the outside shooting issues. I think Orlando would like to clear the salaries of Nelson and Reddick, particularly Nelson, and would consider including them for the young and inexpensive with some potential Ebanks and Morris a positive.

Why would Orlando give up three starters and their sixth man for two starters and scrubs? Orlando would be better served letting Howard walk than take that deal.

Uh, what would you give the Lakers for Fisher, Barnes and Blake? That's two starters and their sixth man, so I guess a lot. Just because they are starters and a sixth man doesn't mean they are valued by their team, particularly when they are overpaid.

Is this for real? Anderson is averaging 17, Reddick at 12, and Nelson at 8 points a game this season. These aren't all world numbers, but that is value to their club. Lakers would be happy to get 15 points out of that group of scrubs you listed combined. Yeah Reddick and Nelson are a little overpaid, but who isn't in the NBA these days?

Reddick and Nelson are decent players that I think can help the Lakers. That's why I want them. But I think an Orlando team getting rid of Howard would see it as a positive to dump their salaries. Anderson is a good player that I'm sure Orlando would like to keep. But if Orlando wants Gasol, they need to give Anderson. It would also make sense on their end since they play the same position. And the difference in salaries between Gasol and Anderson would allow Orlando to dump the salaries of Nelson and Reddick. Then Orlando can start Duhon with Morris backing up the point, Richardson with Wafer backing up, Ebanks/Turk, Gasol and Bynum and have the two first rounders.

 

[Premier]

You guys are hilarious. Nelson AND Redick AND Anderson???

I love how you guys don't mention taking on Hedo and Duhon, their two worst contracts (and definitely the ones that will be moving in a DH trade) but think you're also going to get their best young player and two good, affordable backcourt players.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

You guys are hilarious. Nelson AND Redick AND Anderson??? I love how you guys don't mention taking on Hedo and Duhon, their two worst contracts (and definitely the ones that will be moving in a DH trade) but think you're also going to get their best young player and two good, affordable backcourt players.

At least one thing around here really is as same as day 1 though, right?

 

[tommyGunZ]

You guys are hilarious. Nelson AND Redick AND Anderson??? I love how you guys don't mention taking on Hedo and Duhon, their two worst contracts (and definitely the ones that will be moving in a DH trade) but think you're also going to get their best young player and two good, affordable backcourt players.

Note that I haven't been one suggesting Bynum + Gasol trades. I think it will be Bynum + stuff (assets) for Howard + stuff (liabilities). That being said, I find it hard to call Nelson a "good, affordable" backcourt player. Dude has been HORRIBLE this year.

 

[Premier]

You guys are hilarious. Nelson AND Redick AND Anderson??? I love how you guys don't mention taking on Hedo and Duhon, their two worst contracts (and definitely the ones that will be moving in a DH trade) but think you're also going to get their best young player and two good, affordable backcourt players.

Note that I haven't been one suggesting Bynum + Gasol trades. I think it will be Bynum + stuff (assets) for Howard + stuff (liabilities). That being said, I find it hard to call Nelson a "good, affordable" backcourt player. Dude has been HORRIBLE this year.

Well we can look at his last 6, productive years, or 15 bad games. I'd choose to go with the former. He's not as bad as he's shown, and had a pretty good game last night. Laker fan thinking the Magic are going to trade JJ and Anderson in any Howard deal is completely laughable though.

 

[Shrugs]

Really my point here is I think the Lakers need to add Gasol to the Howard deal if they can get Anderson and bad contracts in return. I would happily take Chris Duhon (3 years, 11 mil) over Nelson (2 yrs, 15 mil). Turk is the one contract that it's hard to take. It's so ridiculous at 3 years, 35.8 mil. The only way the Lakers could do it is to include Artest and his 3 years, 21.7 mil. But wouldn't it be better for the teams to keep those players so they could amnesty them?

 

[JMon348]

Happy 81http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/kobe-bryant20.jpg day!! Incredible its already been 6 years.

Box

 

[JMon348]

213 points til 5th place all time

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38387

2. Karl Malone 36928

3. Michael Jordan 32292

4. Wilt Chamberlain 31419

5. Shaquille O'Neal 28596

6. Kobe Bryant 28384

7. Moses Malone 27409

8. Elvin Hayes 27313

9. Hakeem Olajuwon 26946

10.Oscar Robertson 26710

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

Phil Jackson to the white courtesy phone.

 

[Short Corner]

Phil Jackson to the white courtesy phone.

When did this turn into a Knicks thread?

 

[GroveDiesel]

Awesome that Mike Brown seems to be the Teflon man and is taking almost none of the blame. Even if they got Howard it wouldn't matter, Brown would still screw it up.

 

[the moops]

I think it will be Bynum + stuff (assets) for Howard + stuff (liabilities).

What other assets do the Lakers have besides Gasol though? The draft picks they have are not really assets because they will fall at the end of the first round. And no other player on the team can be considered an asset in a Howard deal.

 

[JMon348]

180 points til 5th place all time

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38387

2. Karl Malone 36928

3. Michael Jordan 32292

4. Wilt Chamberlain 31419

5. Shaquille O'Neal 28596

6. Kobe Bryant 28417

7. Moses Malone 27409

8. Elvin Hayes 27313

9. Hakeem Olajuwon 26946

10.Oscar Robertson 26710

 

[DaveGrumbles]

I think it will be Bynum + stuff (assets) for Howard + stuff (liabilities).

What other assets do the Lakers have besides Gasol though? The draft picks they have are not really assets because they will fall at the end of the first round. And no other player on the team can be considered an asset in a Howard deal.

This is kinda why the Howard deal is basically a pipe dream. They don't have the pieces to get a deal that makes sense for either side. Lakers had the right idea with the Chris Paul trade. They need to use Gasol's value to get some quality young talent in their backcourt. Howard is the best center in the game but if you already have an advantage over 28 other teams at a position, is it really a great idea to spend all your remaining assets to get an advantage over that 29th team? The bulk of their problems are in the backcourt and that's where they should start.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

Bumping this to make it easier on the myopic.

Lob Angeles Clippers!!

 

[Gr00vus]

Who let the riff-raff in?

Anyway I figure a Bynum/Gasol for Howard deal would look something like this. Maybe they could get the Rockets involved again to make things even more interesting if the Rockets still have some of the level of interest they had in Gasol back in December.

 

[JMon348]

Is this enough for NJ? This is based on Williams letting it be known that he won't resign.

My link

NJ trades Deron Williams, Johan Petro, Damien James, and Jordan Williams

Receive Kevin Martin, Devin Ebanks, Goran Dragic, Darius Morris, and 4 1st rounders

Rockets trade Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, Courntney Lee, 2 1st rounders

Receive Pau Gasol, Damien James, Jordan Williams

Lakers trade Pau Gasol, Devin Ebanks, Darius Morris, 2 1st rounders

Receive Deron Williams, Johan Petro

After this trade the Nets only salaries with 2+ years and above are: Martin 2 years, Farmar 2 years, Morrow 2 years, Brooks 4 years. They get a fringe AllStar in Martin, tons of cap relief, and 4 1st rounders. Again this is based on Williams letting it be known he's gone.

 

[Gr00vus]

Is this enough for NJ? This is based on Williams letting it be known that he won't resign.

My link

NJ trades Deron Williams, Johan Petro, Damien James, and Jordan Williams

Receive Kevin Martin, Devin Ebanks, Goran Dragic, Darius Morris, and 4 1st rounders

Rockets trade Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, Courntney Lee, 2 1st rounders

Receive Pau Gasol, Damien James, Jordan Williams

Lakers trade Pau Gasol, Devin Ebanks, Darius Morris, 2 1st rounders

Receive Deron Williams, Johan Petro

After this trade the Nets only salaries with 2+ years and above are: Martin 2 years, Farmar 2 years, Morrow 2 years, Brooks 4 years. They get a fringe AllStar in Martin, tons of cap relief, and 4 1st rounders. Again this is based on Williams letting it be known he's gone.

2 from the Lakers?

 

[JMon348]

Is this enough for NJ? This is based on Williams letting it be known that he won't resign.

My link

NJ trades Deron Williams, Johan Petro, Damien James, and Jordan Williams

Receive Kevin Martin, Devin Ebanks, Goran Dragic, Darius Morris, and 4 1st rounders

Rockets trade Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, Courntney Lee, 2 1st rounders

Receive Pau Gasol, Damien James, Jordan Williams

Lakers trade Pau Gasol, Devin Ebanks, Darius Morris, 2 1st rounders

Receive Deron Williams, Johan Petro

After this trade the Nets only salaries with 2+ years and above are: Martin 2 years, Farmar 2 years, Morrow 2 years, Brooks 4 years. They get a fringe AllStar in Martin, tons of cap relief, and 4 1st rounders. Again this is based on Williams letting it be known he's gone.

2 from the Lakers?

Their own, and the one they got for Odom.

 

[Shrugs]

Who let the riff-raff in?

Anyway I figure a Bynum/Gasol for Howard deal would look something like this. Maybe they could get the Rockets involved again to make things even more interesting if the Rockets still have some of the level of interest they had in Gasol back in December.

I'm sure that's what Orlando would like to do. The Lakers shouldn't do it.

 

[the moops]

Is this enough for NJ? This is based on Williams letting it be known that he won't resign.My linkNJ trades Deron Williams, Johan Petro, Damien James, and Jordan WilliamsReceive Kevin Martin, Devin Ebanks, Goran Dragic, Darius Morris, and 4 1st roundersRockets trade Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, Courntney Lee, 2 1st roundersReceive Pau Gasol, Damien James, Jordan WilliamsLakers trade Pau Gasol, Devin Ebanks, Darius Morris, 2 1st roundersReceive Deron Williams, Johan PetroAfter this trade the Nets only salaries with 2+ years and above are: Martin 2 years, Farmar 2 years, Morrow 2 years, Brooks 4 years. They get a fringe AllStar in Martin, tons of cap relief, and 4 1st rounders. Again this is based on Williams letting it be known he's gone.

1) They dont get tons of cap room, considering they would get tons of cap room if they just let Deron leave as a free agent. They shed Deron and Petro for a total of 19.7 million, but get Martin for two years at 11.5. Martin at that price isn't bad, and if you are a rebuilding team you obviously need to spend the money somewhere, but to say that 8.2 million in cap relief is tons, is wrong.2) Pau Gasol is a very good basketball player. But the Rockets become a worse team with Gasol, compared to keeping Dragic, Lee, and Martin. Trading away those three leaves Houston with exactly two guards, 2 point guard, in Kyle Lowry and Johnny Flynn. They would be starting Lowry, with 3 forwards and a center. Their team would be awful.3) In the future, if you even have the slightest inkling that the Lakers are getting the better deal, there is a very good chance that your Kobe glasses have clouded your judgment and you should rethink the proposed deal.

 

[JMon348]

Is this enough for NJ? This is based on Williams letting it be known that he won't resign.My linkNJ trades Deron Williams, Johan Petro, Damien James, and Jordan WilliamsReceive Kevin Martin, Devin Ebanks, Goran Dragic, Darius Morris, and 4 1st roundersRockets trade Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, Courntney Lee, 2 1st roundersReceive Pau Gasol, Damien James, Jordan WilliamsLakers trade Pau Gasol, Devin Ebanks, Darius Morris, 2 1st roundersReceive Deron Williams, Johan PetroAfter this trade the Nets only salaries with 2+ years and above are: Martin 2 years, Farmar 2 years, Morrow 2 years, Brooks 4 years. They get a fringe AllStar in Martin, tons of cap relief, and 4 1st rounders. Again this is based on Williams letting it be known he's gone.

1) They dont get tons of cap room, considering they would get tons of cap room if they just let Deron leave as a free agent. They shed Deron and Petro for a total of 19.7 million, but get Martin for two years at 11.5. Martin at that price isn't bad, and if you are a rebuilding team you obviously need to spend the money somewhere, but to say that 8.2 million in cap relief is tons, is wrong.2) Pau Gasol is a very good basketball player. But the Rockets become a worse team with Gasol, compared to keeping Dragic, Lee, and Martin. Trading away those three leaves Houston with exactly two guards, 2 point guard, in Kyle Lowry and Johnny Flynn. They would be starting Lowry, with 3 forwards and a center. Their team would be awful.3) In the future, if you even have the slightest inkling that the Lakers are getting the better deal, there is a very good chance that your Kobe glasses have clouded your judgment and you should rethink the proposed deal.

1.They are shedding 3, 2 year deals for 3 1 year deals.2.They agreed to trade Martin, Dragic, and Scola for Pau about 5 weeks ago. This gives them a big man rotation of Pau,Scola, and Dalembert. Budinger and Terrence Williams can easily play the two, and are probably better suited there.3.The Rockets do this deal, the Lakers do this deal. My question was if its enough for the Nets.

 

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This Goudelock kid is playing pretty well. 10 points tonight in the first half.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

Clippers up by 2 at half even with a slew of Bull ish calls by refs bailing out Andrew Bynum.

This Laker team can't win without ref help!!!

Y'all should be embarrassed!