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For the Giants 4-3 I've been reading arguments that LB's aren't that important, the line is where you need the studs. If Fox's 4-3 is like the Giant's, maybe the argument is to take Dline instead of the LB.

 
'Sigmund Bloom said:
Wow lots of people hating on Newton for a perceived lack of intelligence. Did anyone actually watch the whole segment with Gruden?

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In the full segment, Cam diagrams a couple of plays and a couple of things were clear to me: (a) he’s a freak athlete, (b) he actually internalized his coaching quite well, as he remembered all the coaching points and axioms from Malzahn (and Gruden said he retained everything in their meeting quite well), and © he really does have a long way to go in terms of mastering a complicated NFL system.
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I so agree with you here. Don't blame Newton for playing on an Auburn team that is trying to exploit his athleticism as quickly as possible to win the BCS. College football's function isn't to prepare players for the NFL - it's to win.

Alabama and Saban probably play this up. Most teams probably sell this idea, but reality is that they aren't farm teams.

I think Newton has plenty of intelligence. I just think he needs time because he didn't get the opportunities.

Wonder if Kiper shouldn't be talking about comfort with Ryan Fitzpatrick in Buffalo when only round one is in the books.

Green to Bengals...love it.

 
Well Carson, AJ Green should make you think twice about retiring... only way I end up putting Jones ahead of him is if St. Louis ends up taking Julio.

 
'netnalp said:
For the Giants 4-3 I've been reading arguments that LB's aren't that important, the line is where you need the studs. If Fox's 4-3 is like the Giant's, maybe the argument is to take Dline instead of the LB.
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It may also mean that Fox absolutely hated the tape on Robert Ayers.
 
'Sigmund Bloom said:
Wow lots of people hating on Newton for a perceived lack of intelligence. Did anyone actually watch the whole segment with Gruden?

Link

In the full segment, Cam diagrams a couple of plays and a couple of things were clear to me: (a) he’s a freak athlete, (b) he actually internalized his coaching quite well, as he remembered all the coaching points and axioms from Malzahn (and Gruden said he retained everything in their meeting quite well), and © he really does have a long way to go in terms of mastering a complicated NFL system.
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It's not a lack of ability to learn - it is a lack of intelligence. He should know more "football" than it appears that he did. Not saying he isn't a smart kid or able to learn - more it is a statement that he doesn't know as much as he should at this point of his football career. That can only hurt him as it will take him much longer to develop.
 
If I'm Carson Palmer, I'm reconsidering. The team is probably getting rid of Ocho to attempt to make Palmer happy - especially with taking Green, the anti-Ocho.

I do kind of hate that Palmer is seen as this guy to keep when he should be the kind of leader to tell the rest of these players to cool it. I guess he has over the years, but rarely can one guy really make that huge of a difference. It takes a special leader and he might be more of an "adequate leader" in an average situation. Bengals character issues were no "average situation."

 
'Jeff Pasquino said:
'Sigmund Bloom said:
Wow lots of people hating on Newton for a perceived lack of intelligence. Did anyone actually watch the whole segment with Gruden?

Link

In the full segment, Cam diagrams a couple of plays and a couple of things were clear to me: (a) he’s a freak athlete, (b) he actually internalized his coaching quite well, as he remembered all the coaching points and axioms from Malzahn (and Gruden said he retained everything in their meeting quite well), and © he really does have a long way to go in terms of mastering a complicated NFL system.
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it is a lack of intelligence. Not saying he isn't a smart kid
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which is it?

 
For what it's worth, I thought Carson Palmer played well without Ochocinco and TO in the lineup late in the year. Jerome Simpson came on, as did Jordan Shipley. Maybe Carson will consider returning if the likes of TO and Ocho are gone.

 
'Sigmund Bloom said:
'Jeff Pasquino said:
'Sigmund Bloom said:
Wow lots of people hating on Newton for a perceived lack of intelligence. Did anyone actually watch the whole segment with Gruden?

Link

In the full segment, Cam diagrams a couple of plays and a couple of things were clear to me: (a) he’s a freak athlete, (b) he actually internalized his coaching quite well, as he remembered all the coaching points and axioms from Malzahn (and Gruden said he retained everything in their meeting quite well), and © he really does have a long way to go in terms of mastering a complicated NFL system.
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it is a lack of intelligence. Not saying he isn't a smart kid
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which is it?
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Intelligence = acquired knowledge

Smarts = ability to learn

Probably not expressing that well. Should've used knowledge vs. smarts.

 
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'Sigmund Bloom said:
I think Gabbert falls to at least 7 if he doesn't go here.
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With Peterson gone, Harbaugh should be tempted to take Gabbert. If SF goes Amukamara or Quinn or ??? will be interesting to see if Gabbert goes to TEN or WAS... MIN fans should start getting excited if SF passes on Gabbert.
 
Here's the trade!!! I love it for Ryan. I'll pick Julio ahead of Green in all ppr drafts now. Matt Ryan vs Carson??Palmer?? I don't think so.

 
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I don't know what to do with myself...I'm not used to seeing the top 5 picks gone and the Lions not picking yet.

 
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'Sigmund Bloom said:
Atlanta trades up for Jones! Matt Ryan owners do a dance. Wonder if they gave up 2012 first?
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There ya go. This is great for Atlanta, because this puts this offense over the top and changes the dynamic of the offensive over time while still getting to transition Green with Gonzalez still serviceable and White in his prime. This takes pressure off the constant double teams on White and Atlanta is very predictable offensively. I do agree with Gruden here. When Jones sees contact coming in his direction he loses concentration. Still, if he shores this up the promise is an over the top transition for the offense.
 
Like this trade for both teams. With the transition on defense, Cleveland needs a lot of front 7 help. They also need help at WR and on the right side of the OL. More picks is the answer, especially with the last real blue chipper (Peterson) gone.

 
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