Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Van Dyke is really fast. That's all I got to say about that.
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You're way too hung up on measureables. Rodgers is a smart QB and he's going to learn very quickly that good things happen when he targets Cobb. What is Hines Ward's 40 time and and height compared to typical starting NFL wideouts?
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
have law firm keeper eligible in 2 leagues. Not loving this draft from the FF perspective, but NE is owning this draft (as they have most of the last 10)
shader
Footballguy
They got a solid tackle, a solid cornerback, a decent RB who many on here really like...and then a couple head scratchers.
WOW
Vincent Brown to the Chargers!!!!
Oh boy, love the situation/QB - You're looking at the #2 to Vincent Jackson for the long haul. He is definitely top 15 on my rookie board.
Vincent Brown to the Chargers!!!!
Oh boy, love the situation/QB - You're looking at the #2 to Vincent Jackson for the long haul. He is definitely top 15 on my rookie board.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
Cobb = Hines Ward? ok.
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
Pettis will have to be a situational player to start. His skill against press and basic routes at Senior Bowl were horrific. I was really looking forward to seeing him, too. Routes shouldn't be this tough in a basic Senior Bowl offense. Dane Sanzenbacher came into practice on Day 2 off a plane and aced the routes. He's a good route runner, but Pettis was so bad that he dropped significantly in my ratings. However, the saving grace could be the McDaniel system and the chance to have rapport with Bradford who might find a way to use his strengths. Pettis has a chance to be the kind of guy that benefits from a QB who has the confidence to throw a player open in tight coverage. If that's the case Pettis could be ok.Vincent Brown to Chargers. That's a real WR pick. Phillip Rivers is going to love him. In fact, I think he's a dynasty pick over Jonathan Baldwin and maybe even Hankerson.
Im thinking
Ingram-Green-Jones-Williams-LeShoure-Thomas-Cobb-Little-VBrown-Newton as a top 10 right now.
Ingram-Green-Jones-Williams-LeShoure-Thomas-Cobb-Little-VBrown-Newton as a top 10 right now.
Abrantes
Footballguy
Wussing out of drafting? They've made 5 picks so far, and still got a 1st and 2nd in next year's draft. He likely thinks that the 2012 draft will be better than this year's (not all that far-fetched), and prefers to stock up picks for that one.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Just caught up with the 2nd round on DVR. Did anyone else catch Gruden towards the beginning with his "tweetin' and twattin'" comment?
He has that kind of toughness and combative approach after the catch. Honestly he is probably faster/quicker than Ward.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Mason Foster = Barrett Ruud insurance. Not a bad policy either. Value and upside.
shader
Footballguy
I like it. I still hold out hope for Hunter if he goes to a good situation. I thought Newton might crack my top 6 or 7 but after today, he's sliding.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
I pretty much agree with you. I see very little to get excited about from players they've actually drafted thus far.
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
Giants take Jernigan. Not a bad round to pick him. Glad he wasn't as vastly overvalued as it appeared on boards of analysts a month ago. However, not sure this is a good match for him.
He needs to protect the ball and learn routes. Just not sure what makes him different from Mario Manningham. More physical, but raw.
He needs to protect the ball and learn routes. Just not sure what makes him different from Mario Manningham. More physical, but raw.
Hmm could Mason Foster project to the middle with Ruud likely gone? Don't like the fit as Foster looks sluggish to me, but interesting for IDP ramifications.
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
Nothing looks nutty there, although I'd think about putting Thomas over LeShoure due to situation. I probably will.
shader
Footballguy
I've always felt like Manningham is a short receiver with the skillset for an outside receiver. Jernigan seems to fit more on the inside and in the slot, plus he's a good returner.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I went to CU and want Solder to do well but he's not the second best tackle of this draft.Then he had Mikel Leshoure in his hands and dropped the ball. Ras I?I'm shocked that everyone is falling over themselves, its amazing.
sigh I probably will too. Just hard to let go right now because Im so high on LeShoure's physical upside. I certainly wont fault anyone for going Thomas at 1.4
netnalp
Footballguy
Seems like he'll compete with Hixon for KR duties. Hopefully he isn't another Sinorice Moss.
HellToupee
Footballguy
had to run out for one of my Dad Taxi trips & Patriot fans are going ape #### on local sports talk. At least in the 20 minutes or so I was in the car
Our military gets its due
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Almost has to be Ruud's immediate or eventual successor, although Quincy Black is also a FA. Might have liked McCarthy or Jones better as a Tampa-2 MLB project. Very interested in what Raheem Morris says here.
Oh I would have put Greg Jones as my #1 IDP easy if he was the pick. Sturdivant too.
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
Better than Moss. Just not convinced he's a high-end slot receiver of the future that warranted as high of a pick as his predraft rating by many. Remember, he ran very limited routes at Troy. He also has issues catching the ball after contact because he doesn't secure the ball. This can be corrected, but it is a very ingrained habit and he takes a lot of punishment for a light guy.
shader
Footballguy
We are midway through the third round and BB has taken 5 players and racked up a 1st and a 2nd next year.Pretty good if you ask me. I'm not going to act like I know how each player will turn out, but they filled a need with OT and CB, it looks like they are revamping their running backs, and they took a gamble on Mallett. If they fix Mallett's "head issues", he has the talent to get them one or two first rounders in the future.
Major speed still out there in Taiwan Jones and Edmond Gates...
shader
Footballguy
Faulk fell all over himself about Jernigan. Said he catches the ball with "alacrity and abandon".....whatever that means.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
Ward 6'0", 4.47 in the 40, 194, started at flanker, tailback, quarterback and split end.
Cobb 5'10", 4.46, 191, started at same positions (although his coach is on the record saying he is more a 4.6 guy)
so similar in many ways, but 5 10 is getting into smurf size
Cobb 5'10", 4.46, 191, started at same positions (although his coach is on the record saying he is more a 4.6 guy)
so similar in many ways, but 5 10 is getting into smurf size
shader
Footballguy
Falcons coming up. I think a guy like Jones would fit in great there, but they used so many picks to get Julio that they probably have other pressing needs.
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
Abandon I agree with. When he catches it, he holds it for several steps like an option quarterback. That's abandon, but also reckless. I watched him drop numerous passes in numerous games because of his habit. Also watched him get stripped as a result.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
The more i think about it, the more i like the Mallet pick.Salary will be lowexpectations will be lowAll he has to do is come in showcase some good skills, and QB hungry teams will be suddenly interested.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
What is the TALENT that he got from this draft?A 6'8 tackle who plays high and his strenght is over rated.An injury plauged corner.A reach at RB.I do like Mallett but for him to fall, esp in this draft where QBs where flying off the griddle like hotcakes tells me that their is some dirt that we are not privvy to. Mayock nearly spilled the beans but he caught himself and said it wasn't his place to talk about what the kid did off-the-field.Two future draft picks just do not help a SB contending team.I can see how a team like Cleveland who is at least a few years away would trade for future picks and it makes a lot of sense for a team like the Pats to make a judicious trade for future picks but at some point it falls in on itself and we just saw that in this draft IMHO.
Black
Footballguy
Hard to keep up with picks, read the commentary and make timely commments, but some great stuff here.Love the Vincent Brown pick for my Chargers and wondering who they are taking now at 3.25.
shader
Footballguy
We're talking about a guy with first round talent and a ten cent head. All BB has to do is have Mallett show big things in the pre-season and NOT become a coke-head, and Mallett will bring a big ROI to the Patriots. Smart pick.
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
Santonio Holmes is 5'10" as is Derrick Mason. Cobb has smarts and football skill to develop. The guy has excellent balance and I think he's the second best run blocking WR in this draft. he also has the hand-eye coordination you want. He's what I think people see in Jernigan. Not as fast as Jernigan, but quick, tough, and versatile. He will need to learn the route tree, but I think he shows the on-field IQ/acumen to develop quickly.
Belichick: "It's an important position on our team (QB), and we'll have them in and let them compete."
And they say he doesn't have a sense of humor
And they say he doesn't have a sense of humor
eakfootball
Footballguy
I think he compares best to Harvin
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
I bet Hoodie's a great prankster. That dry as a desert delivery...Nevis is a very nice pick for the Colts. I liked what I saw of him when watching teams face LSU.
Huh? Does Lofton move outside now? Dent only projects well as an ILB... big issue for IDP leagues.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
It's a great spot for Nevis who is a big undersized and short armed, but game as they come. A nice fit for how Indy plays. He wouldn't work in Dallas so I was happy he went somewhere appropriate. Great kid.
shader
Footballguy
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
Surprised the Falcons took Akeem Dent from Georgia. Jene, any thoughts? I'm just thinking they must be relying on tape from a couple of years ago if they think he's an every down guy. Falcons usually don't take UGA kids - common complaint among homers in state.
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Eastwood
Footballguy
Bloom don't you think Little has more opportunity and less competition than Cobb? Just figured you'd flip those 2.
Id agree with both of those, but Cobb has Rodgers and Little has McCoy. I won't argue with anyone taking Little ahead of Cobb though and with time to think on it, I could end up putting Little #7, or even #6.
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