Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think your memory on Suh is a misunderstanding. He almost (and probably should have) won the Heisman. As a DT on a 10-4 team.
Though Suh was a year older so that's a fair leveler.
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Though Suh was a year older so that's a fair leveler.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Suh was only a year older though. He just happened to hit college at a younger age than Carter so that gap sounds bigger than it is.
Chaka
Footballguy
Literally just hit "save" on the ETA of my post above about that issue. We're thinking along similar lines. But it still isn't a slam dunk.
Chaka
Footballguy
My memory on Suh is just fine. Dude was a force of nature. We haven't seen one like him in the NCAA since. Not Donald, not Dareus. No one...IM(not so)HO.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Disagree. We hope he becomes Donald.
Suh makes an argument for the Mt. Rushmore of the NCAA for sure but, in the NFL
Donald>>>Suh
And Suh was/is great in the NFL but, not as good as Donald and he's a head case to boot.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah i don’t want to besmirch Suh.
I think I would say I cannot think of a better prospect since him.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
yeah that’s fair
I’ve posted Aaron Donald’s NFL.com Combine profile here before, it’s pretty hilarious. Tons of negatives & gives him a grade of like 5.90 (average backup or special teamer.)
Ilov80s
Footballguy
For sure, I was excluding AD as an outcome because he's been too good. It's unfair to expect anyone, even a top 5 pick, to live up to AD.
massraider
Footballguy
To be fair, if we had read:
Has unmatched tensile strength, which along with his athleticism, will make him unblockable in entire games
We'd all have have been like, yeah, whatever.
A true outlier. There's a bunch of 290 lb DTs that have come along since then, only thing they had in common with him was the weight.
Best college linemen I ever saw. That game against Texas
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
My biggest take from that video is that somebody needs to buy Justin Rogers a comb.
massraider
Footballguy
I think that red ink masterpiece on the wall behind him does a really great job at drawing attention to his messy hair, while also subtly pulling the ginger highlights.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
yeah that's why I don't wear knit beanies
jealous of the bald guys who don't have to worry about it
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Reminds me of my childhood photo where I was standing in front of the tv. It looked like the rabbit ears were sticking out of my head.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Setting aside the Pro Day and driving stuff, sell me on Cater. Why was his production so low? Just part of the Georgia's scheme? I look at the other "transcendent" college DTs like Suh, Fairley, AD and I see a lot more sacks and TFLs. I see the highlights and no doubt he has an awesome combo of strength, size, quickness and athleticism. I just wonder why it didn't result in more production. Any thoughts?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
His pass rush win rate in 2022 was 18.9% which led all Power 5 DI. Sacks alone can be a bit of a fluky stat.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
If the rate is good then maybe we have to come back to how many snaps he’s playing and why? Just UGA being insanely deep or is it also conditioning?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Yeah I mentioned this in my short write-up in the Lions thread. He played less than 400 snaps the last two years, less than 300 in 2020. The first two DI off the board last year were both Georgia players. That's not all of the explain but just raw numbers here are the pass rushing snaps for other 3-techs:
- Jalen Carter 21.0 /g
- Bryan Bresee 20.3 /g (*missed a couple games due to injury or family tragedy + three partial games when he wasn't 100%)
- Calijah Kancey 25.0 /g (30.6 2021)
- Mazi Smith 28.1 /g (yeah he'll play 1-tech in the pros but Michigan deployed him at 3-tech way more often - 185 NT 400 DT)
- Moro Ojomo 17.2 (not a good comp bc he's literally a run specialist, only 281 lbs but his technique is a freaking clinic; could see him playing 5-tech bc he'd be a great edge setter)
- Keeanu Benton 18.9 /g
- Jaquelin Roy 29.0/g (played a lot more 1-tech than Mazi)
IDK if I could CFB find snap counts for past years where we might be able to compare more productive 3-techs with Carter, it wasn't easy finding this data for the most recent year.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Hard to believe he drops all the way to 18, but that's where Mike Tannenbaum has Carter going:
www.espn.com
Mike Tannenbaum's GM mock draft: A former exec makes 31 first-round picks
Mike Tannenbaum puts his GM hat back on and makes his own selections for each team in the first round of the 2023 draft.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Hard to believe he drops all the way to 18, but that's where Mike Tannenbaum has Carter going:
Mike Tannenbaum's GM mock draft: A former exec makes 31 first-round picks
Mike Tannenbaum puts his GM hat back on and makes his own selections for each team in the first round of the 2023 draft.
I can say with confidence, if one of the top QBs like Richardson or Levis are available at 10. The Eagles will find a partner to trade that pick and move down. I saw a mock where the Vikings moved up to 10 for a 2023 1st, 2023 3rd and 2024 1st to take Levis. That's a no-brainer trade for Philly.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Hard to believe he drops all the way to 18, but that's where Mike Tannenbaum has Carter going:
Mike Tannenbaum's GM mock draft: A former exec makes 31 first-round picks
Mike Tannenbaum puts his GM hat back on and makes his own selections for each team in the first round of the 2023 draft.
you made it that far?
after I saw Hooker at 5th overall I stopped reading
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Lions are doing their due diligence on Carter.
Dan Campbell on Jalen Carter: "We talked to a teammate of his the other day and, man, he told us some things we didn't know. That nobody probably would've known. It was like, 'Oh, that's interesting.'" Asked if it was good or bad: "It's interesting."
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Could be why he's no longer an actual GM.
massraider
Footballguy
Someone told Tannebaum he needs some hot takes for his mock, and he ran with it. Pretty sure this dude is a clown.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
He was a big star on Reddit, Twitter & YT yesterday. Just trying to raise the brand level (33rd Team.) Maybe he’s hoping Barstool will buy them out?
His teammates rave about him. Could have been the story about giving a walk on his meals.Hard to believe he drops all the way to 18, but that's where Mike Tannenbaum has Carter going:
Mike Tannenbaum's GM mock draft: A former exec makes 31 first-round picks
Mike Tannenbaum puts his GM hat back on and makes his own selections for each team in the first round of the 2023 draft.
you made it that far?
after I saw Hooker at 5th overall I stopped reading
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Lions are doing their due diligence on Carter.
Dan Campbell on Jalen Carter: "We talked to a teammate of his the other day and, man, he told us some things we didn't know. That nobody probably would've known. It was like, 'Oh, that's interesting.'" Asked if it was good or bad: "It's interesting."
massraider
Footballguy
Raiders beat writer said Raiders are out on Carter (according to a league source).
theathletic.com
Mark Davis' patience, other Raiders takeaways from NFL owners' meetings
Other notable items: The Raiders will host the 49ers for joint practices this summer and Georgia DL Jalen Carter is off their draft board.
theathletic.com
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
There's a joke in there somewhere...Raiders beat writer said Raiders are out on Carter (according to a league source).
Mark Davis' patience, other Raiders takeaways from NFL owners' meetings
Other notable items: The Raiders will host the 49ers for joint practices this summer and Georgia DL Jalen Carter is off their draft board.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah if there is one team that probably should pass on Carter, it's the Raiders.Raiders beat writer said Raiders are out on Carter (according to a league source).
Mark Davis' patience, other Raiders takeaways from NFL owners' meetings
Other notable items: The Raiders will host the 49ers for joint practices this summer and Georgia DL Jalen Carter is off their draft board.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Maybe but that would be public info already, not sure why Campbell would think it was some kind of inside scoop.His teammates rave about him. Could have been the story about giving a walk on his meals.Hard to believe he drops all the way to 18, but that's where Mike Tannenbaum has Carter going:
Mike Tannenbaum's GM mock draft: A former exec makes 31 first-round picks
Mike Tannenbaum puts his GM hat back on and makes his own selections for each team in the first round of the 2023 draft.
you made it that far?
after I saw Hooker at 5th overall I stopped reading
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Lions are doing their due diligence on Carter.
Dan Campbell on Jalen Carter: "We talked to a teammate of his the other day and, man, he told us some things we didn't know. That nobody probably would've known. It was like, 'Oh, that's interesting.'" Asked if it was good or bad: "It's interesting."
massraider
Footballguy
Let me tell you something, if the Raiders pass on this guy and he is drafted with the next pick, history tells us that he will probably turn into Reggie White, but even a nicer guy.
So no, I'm not passing on the alpha DT for that.
I think it comes down to your take on this. I give him the benefit of the doubt, you are doubting. I guess you can read into it either way.Maybe but that would be public info already, not sure why Campbell would think it was some kind of inside scoop.His teammates rave about him. Could have been the story about giving a walk on his meals.Hard to believe he drops all the way to 18, but that's where Mike Tannenbaum has Carter going:
Mike Tannenbaum's GM mock draft: A former exec makes 31 first-round picks
Mike Tannenbaum puts his GM hat back on and makes his own selections for each team in the first round of the 2023 draft.
you made it that far?
after I saw Hooker at 5th overall I stopped reading
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Lions are doing their due diligence on Carter.
Dan Campbell on Jalen Carter: "We talked to a teammate of his the other day and, man, he told us some things we didn't know. That nobody probably would've known. It was like, 'Oh, that's interesting.'" Asked if it was good or bad: "It's interesting."
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Hoping that the Raiders are out for reasons that make football sense. Maybe they saw a lack of effort watching him on every play. It would be a bad look to take him after the Ruggs disaster but the NFL has its share of not so nice guys and the fans get over it if the player performs.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I am not really doubting anything here. Just saying why would DC say it was something probably nobody else would know if it was about buying the walk-on food? Even we know about that!I think it comes down to your take on this. I give him the benefit of the doubt, you are doubting. I guess you can read into it either way.Maybe but that would be public info already, not sure why Campbell would think it was some kind of inside scoop.His teammates rave about him. Could have been the story about giving a walk on his meals.Hard to believe he drops all the way to 18, but that's where Mike Tannenbaum has Carter going:
Mike Tannenbaum's GM mock draft: A former exec makes 31 first-round picks
Mike Tannenbaum puts his GM hat back on and makes his own selections for each team in the first round of the 2023 draft.
you made it that far?
after I saw Hooker at 5th overall I stopped reading
*******************
Lions are doing their due diligence on Carter.
Dan Campbell on Jalen Carter: "We talked to a teammate of his the other day and, man, he told us some things we didn't know. That nobody probably would've known. It was like, 'Oh, that's interesting.'" Asked if it was good or bad: "It's interesting."
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
@AdamSchefter
Georgia DT Jalen Carter is visiting the Bears today. It is his second visit, with him already having visited the Eagles. Carter’s agent Drew Rosenhaus said he is declining visit requests for any team drafting outside the top 10 picks. “I’m confident Jalen will go in the top 10,” Rosenhaus said. “He’s a good person, a family man, loves football and is a generational talent.”
Carter was invited and plans to attend the NFL Draft later this month in Kansas City.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
We're not doing visits with any teams that might trade up for him is an interesting strategy.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I was thinking the same thing. Seems a bit desperate to push the narrative that he is a top 10 pick.
flapgreen
Footballguy
So idiotic after what the guy has been connected to recently. Terrible pro day. The car crash stuff. You'd think a normal person would show some humility and be on their best behavior. Guess not. Just double down on the arrogance
DocHolliday
Footballguy
More when they are starting out trying to make a name for themselves
Max Power
Footballguy
Recent comments from Poles make me think they will go in another direction. He wants a "safe" pick and a "good locker room" guy. He also mentioned how this team isn't one player away from winning a championship. If Carter is there at #9 I think it creates a good opportunity to trade down again which is what I think the Bears would like to do.
