DT Jalen Carter, PHI (2 Viewers)

[flapgreen]

This guy is an idiot. Stay far away from the Bears, please.

Recent comments from Poles make me think they will go in another direction. He wants a "safe" pick and a "good locker room" guy. He also mentioned how this team isn't one player away from winning a championship. If Carter is there at #9 I think it creates a good opportunity to trade down again which is what I think the Bears would like to do.

I could deal with that. Feels like they're going to take that OT, but then that usually means it's the opposite of that.

 

[Chaka]

Passing on a potential higher end DT is a mistake. Getting one at #10 is manna from heaven.

 

[FairWarning]

We're not doing visits with any teams that might trade up for him is an interesting strategy.

I thought I was missing something when that quote came out. What a awful take by Carter/agent.

 

[renesauz]

Sorry, no way I'd take this kid with a top ten pick. Simply too many red flags and (it appears) an attitude to boot. Even if he hits the vibe is all wrong, and superstars can wreck a team just as easily as missing on a 1. (See T.O)

If you're gonna miss on a top 10 pick, it can't be at DT. Risk/reward just isn't adding up before the 2nd

 

[Statorama]

This guy is an idiot. Stay far away from the Bears, please.

@AdamSchefter

Georgia DT Jalen Carter is visiting the Bears today. It is his second visit, with him already having visited the Eagles. Carter’s agent Drew Rosenhaus said he is declining visit requests for any team drafting outside the top 10 picks. “I’m confident Jalen will go in the top 10,” Rosenhaus said. “He’s a good person, a family man, loves football and is a generational talent.”

Carter was invited and plans to attend the NFL Draft later this month in Kansas City.

If the Bears are playing 3-D chess, trying to make people think they're going to draft Carter but really want to trade down, Rosenhaus is really helping them out here.

 

[Hafuxd002020]

I think he's going to drop past the Seahawks and Lions, but his draft over/under is 7.5. What am I missing?

 

[flapgreen]

This guy is an idiot. Stay far away from the Bears, please.

@AdamSchefter

Georgia DT Jalen Carter is visiting the Bears today. It is his second visit, with him already having visited the Eagles. Carter’s agent Drew Rosenhaus said he is declining visit requests for any team drafting outside the top 10 picks. “I’m confident Jalen will go in the top 10,” Rosenhaus said. “He’s a good person, a family man, loves football and is a generational talent.”

Carter was invited and plans to attend the NFL Draft later this month in Kansas City.

If the Bears are playing 3-D chess, trying to make people think they're going to draft Carter but really want to trade down, Rosenhaus is really helping them out here.

I'm no Rosenhaus fan and think he's a moron half the time, but I also wouldn't give the Bears that much credit either.

 

[massraider]

I think he's going to drop past the Seahawks and Lions, but his draft over/under is 7.5. What am I missing?

That is about where i would set it.

I'd be very surprised if he drops below 7.

 

[Faust]

Report: Jalen Carter to Visit Seahawks, Raiders This Week Ahead of 2023 NFL Draft

 

[jon_mx]

IMHO, his tape is too good and people will forgot about the car stuff. I think he is in play at pick 3, 5 or 6. A DT this dominant is just too rare to pass up.

 

[Ilov80s]

IMHO, his tape is too good and people will forgot about the car stuff. I think he is in play at pick 3, 5 or 6. A DT this dominant is just too rare to pass up.

Absolutely. The pro day is the bigger red flag. If I am a team, I need to see at this personal interview/workouts that he's back in shape and focused now on his career.

 

[Largent]

Carter will fall, likely no lower than 10. It will take a team like Eagles, or Steelers (trade up) that have a lot of fan/ownership equity in the bank in case he does turn out to be a flop.

Give him 30mill and the summer before camp starts and see if he comes in shape.....I'd bet my last dollar he will be in worse shape than his pro day. Maybe in 2 years the light comes on and he starts to work on his craft. Playing 30% of snaps and sucking wind tells me he's more of a developmental project that Anthony Richardson. At least AR has the desire and intelligence to be great and work his *** off.

 

[Kevrunner]

How do you show up to your pro day like that? One of the bigger red flags I have seen, ever.

Like what?

I don't know about you but my weight can fluctuate 5lbs between morning and evening of any given day.

9lbs from a guy like Carter is probably means he missed his morning BM ().

You aren't an athlete building up to a massive performance that will impact your entire athletic career. Also, the weight is one thing, the being winded and struggling with drills is something else. Plus he has had 2 serious driving incidents in the last 9 months. He got ticketed for going 89 in a 45. He was drag racing in the fatal accident. It all adds up to make me nervous about him. No way to make a definitive judgement since we are so removed from Carter himself but the red flags are obvious.

Here’s the video of the time he was caught driving 89 MPH that you mentioned, almost double the speed limit. You would have thought he would have known better after this, but then he gets involved in a illegal street race with fatalities. This happened around 4 months before the fatal street race.

Jalen Caught Diving 89MPH

 

[Faust]

FMIA: Snyder’s Long Goodbye, and the First-Round Case for Bijan Robinson

Excerpts:

• An increasing number of people around the league think Jalen Carter has done enough in his visits to not sink like a stone on draft night. (More on Carter in my next section.) It’s become almost a cliché, how many team officials think the Seahawks will take Carter with the fifth overall pick.

On Jalen Carter. Interesting to note that last week, Georgia defensive tackle Jalen Carter was on the list of draftees who will be in Kansas City on Thursday night for the first round. On Saturday, his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, told me: “We definitely would have skipped it if I thought there was the potential of him falling out of the top 10. I’m not concerned in the slightest about that.”

Carter is the lightning rod prospect in this draft after pleading no contest to charges of racing and reckless driving connected with the deaths of a teammate and Georgia football staffer in another car earlier this year. Some thought his draft prospects would plummet after he was sentenced to 12 months of probation, a $1,000 fine and 50 hours of community service. Since then, Rosenhaus said Carter would make visits to teams only in the top 10 of the first round; if other teams wanted to talk to him, they could travel to Carter’s home of Apopka, Fla. Entering this week, he’s made visits to four teams (Seattle, Las Vegas, Chicago and Philadelphia) and Rosenhaus said there will be two more this week before the league shuts off visits on Wednesday. Adam Schefter reported one of the visits will be to Detroit today.

“The goal has been to educate teams about Jalen and the case and who he is,” Rosenhaus said. “It hasn’t been an easy process, but I do think it’s been good for Jalen to get out and see the teams. I think there’s a very good chance he’ll go in the top five.”

Lots of teams look at the fifth slot—Seattle, with Mr. Positive, Pete Carroll, as coach—and automatically think it’s a good shot. It may well be. Detroit, at six, and Chicago and Philly, at nine and 10, also seem to be in play. Who takes the risk on Carter, and who gambles on the potential reward, is going to be one of the big stories of round one.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Meets with the Lions today and the Falcons after he gets back to Georgia. That will complete his pre-draft interviews - every team picking between 5 and 10 will have brought him in for a Top 30 Prospect interview.

 

[Faust]

NFL Rookie Watch @NFLRookieWatxh

Several NFL scouts and coaches reportedly believe Jalen Carter is the “best overall” defensive talent the NFL Draft has seen in the past decade. The Steelers are reportedly “ready” to trade up for Carter if he’s available 9th overall. Carter has met with the Bears, Lions, Raiders, Eagles, Seahawks, and plans to meet with the Falcons this week. The thought around the league is that Carter does not make it past the Top-10

https://twitter.com/nflrookiewatxh/status/1648100772591140864?s=21

 

[Largent]

Not bold to say that Carter could even go to Houston @2

1) Young - it's locked in done deal
2) Houston - 80% sounds like D - Carter? Anderson?
3) Cards definitely D - who's going to pay the iron price to move up for Stroud, anyone, anyone Bueller....Anderson, Wilson, or Witherspoon
4) Levis or Stroud - need a starting ready QB
5) who da f knows

 

[Chaka]

Not bold to say that Carter could even go to Houston @2

1) Young - it's locked in done deal
2) Houston - 80% sounds like D - Carter? Anderson?
3) Cards definitely D - who's going to pay the iron price to move up for Stroud, anyone, anyone Bueller....Anderson, Wilson, or Witherspoon
4) Levis or Stroud - need a starting ready QB
5) who da f knows

I think the Seahawks and Lions both draft defense. Some combination of Williams/Anderson, Gonzalez/Witherspoon. If Richardson, Stroud or Levis are on the board at 5 the trade scenarios start increasing for Seattle & Detroit too.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

NFL teams were fools and passed on Warren Sapp who ended up being the centerpiece on one of the greatest Defenses of all time.
Carter was pretty amazing at Georgia and went against some of the best week in and week out in the SEC, I wouldn't pick this guy apart
I don't like what i hear about his off field antics but Warren Sapp was no choir boy either.
It's nasty down in that pit filled with Linemen from both sides, not everyone can be a gentleman
Lot of folks don't like Suh but he's borderline Hall of Fame
He was the No 2 overall pick in 2010

 

[Mister CIA]

NFL teams were fools and passed on Warren Sapp who ended up being the centerpiece on one of the greatest Defenses of all time.
Carter was pretty amazing at Georgia and went against some of the best week in and week out in the SEC, I wouldn't pick this guy apart
I don't like what i hear about his off field antics but Warren Sapp was no choir boy either.
It's nasty down in that pit filled with Linemen from both sides, not everyone can be a gentleman
Lot of folks don't like Suh but he's borderline Hall of Fame
He was the No 2 overall pick in 2010

Albert Haynesworth is the name that keeps crossing my mind.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

If you can wreck havoc in the middle and disrupt the entire timing of an opposing offense just lining up over Center, it makes the entire Defense rise up a notch or two.
It's a position that opens the floodgates for inside linebackers and run stuffing Safeties.
Every time they double team Carter, it's going to free up a potential Edge rusher, all these things add up over the course of an entire game.

Some folks are posting like this guy will be out the league in 2-3 years, I just don't buy that narrative right now.
Rosenhaus knows how to market the players he represents, he didn't shy away from encouraging one on one meetings with many of the teams with Top 10 picks, that was smart.
Drew managed to get Willis McGahee drafted in the 1st Rd coming off a torn ACL/MCL in the Fiesta Bowl, he'll get Carter across the finish line

 

[Largent]

If you can wreck havoc in the middle and disrupt the entire timing of an opposing offense just lining up over Center, it makes the entire Defense rise up a notch or two.
It's a position that opens the floodgates for inside linebackers and run stuffing Safeties.
Every time they double team Carter, it's going to free up a potential Edge rusher, all these things add up over the course of an entire game.

Some folks are posting like this guy will be out the league in 2-3 years, I just don't buy that narrative right now.
Rosenhaus knows how to market the players he represents, he didn't shy away from encouraging one on one meetings with many of the teams with Top 10 picks, that was smart.
Drew managed to get Willis McGahee drafted in the 1st Rd coming off a torn ACL/MCL in the Fiesta Bowl, he'll get Carter across the finish line

Rosenhaus has made that one call to Schefter about him not falling out of ten, and suddenly mock drafts are declaring him the best D prospect in 10 yrs. It's ridiculous. He's not Suh, Sapp, Watt(s), Myles,, Bosa(s), Q Williams, Donald.....he had 6 sacks in 2 years. He plays 30% of the snaps in a college season. Try 17 games....he might need medical attention by week 2 of training camp. Or maybe he takes his 20mill bonus and goes back to Florida between rookie and full camp and comes back in incredible shape!

I'm will eat crow if he comes out and contends for DROY, but I think he's about as overhyped a player that we've seen in a long while. Not for lack of talent, but for lack of being a pro. And no amount of money, or adult supervision will make a 22 yr old man suddenly give it his all.

 

[ghostguy123]

How do you show up to your pro day like that? One of the bigger red flags I have seen, ever.

Like what?

I don't know about you but my weight can fluctuate 5lbs between morning and evening of any given day.

9lbs from a guy like Carter is probably means he missed his morning BM ().

You aren't an athlete building up to a massive performance that will impact your entire athletic career. Also, the weight is one thing, the being winded and struggling with drills is something else. Plus he has had 2 serious driving incidents in the last 9 months. He got ticketed for going 89 in a 45. He was drag racing in the fatal accident. It all adds up to make me nervous about him. No way to make a definitive judgement since we are so removed from Carter himself but the red flags are obvious.

Here’s the video of the time he was caught driving 89 MPH that you mentioned, almost double the speed limit. You would have thought he would have known better after this, but then he gets involved in a illegal street race with fatalities. This happened around 4 months before the fatal street race.

Jalen Caught Diving 89MPH

Caught twice means he's done it 100 times most likely

 

[ghostguy123]

He only played 30% of the snaps??? Oh my lord, is that for real?

 

[ZWK]

Jalen Carter played 39% of the team's defensive snaps in 2021 and 41% in 2022. But Georgia had a lot of blowout wins where their pulled their top players early. And in 2021 he was rotating with Devonte Wyatt & Jordan Davis, and in 2022 he missed a few games.

In 2022 Carter played 67% of the team's snaps in the games when he wasn't injured and Georgia won by less than 21. That was just 5 games. In the one really close game, against Ohio State, he played 74% (52 snaps).

 

[massraider]

He also had insane pressure rate each season.

The guy was a wrecking ball.

 

[Ilov80s]

Jalen Carter played 39% of the team's defensive snaps in 2021 and 41% in 2022. But Georgia had a lot of blowout wins where their pulled their top players early. And in 2021 he was rotating with Devonte Wyatt & Jordan Davis, and in 2022 he missed a few games.

In 2022 Carter played 67% of the team's snaps in the games when he wasn't injured and Georgia won by less than 21. That was just 5 games. In the one really close game, against Ohio State, he played 74% (52 snaps).

Helpful context though it still leaves open the question: could Carter play 75+% of snaps over a long stretch of a season? Just because he didn’t do it, doesn’t mean he can’t. However, the question does exist and him being out of shape at his pro day doesn’t help teams with that concern feel more comfortable.

 

[jon_mx]

Jalen Carter played 39% of the team's defensive snaps in 2021 and 41% in 2022. But Georgia had a lot of blowout wins where their pulled their top players early. And in 2021 he was rotating with Devonte Wyatt & Jordan Davis, and in 2022 he missed a few games.

In 2022 Carter played 67% of the team's snaps in the games when he wasn't injured and Georgia won by less than 21. That was just 5 games. In the one really close game, against Ohio State, he played 74% (52 snaps).

Helpful context though it still leaves open the question: could Carter play 75+% of snaps over a long stretch of a season? Just because he didn’t do it, doesn’t mean he can’t. However, the question does exist and him being out of shape at his pro day doesn’t help teams with that concern feel more comfortable.

Some of the chatter is saying after the accident Carter blamed himself for their deaths and has been depressed negatively impacting his desire to workout. I would still love if the Lions got him at 6, although many think the Seahawks nap him at 5. I think most of the criticism of his play is a pantload. The dude is a disruptive beast in the middle who will make any defense better.

 

[Terpman22]

Jalen Carter played 39% of the team's defensive snaps in 2021 and 41% in 2022. But Georgia had a lot of blowout wins where their pulled their top players early. And in 2021 he was rotating with Devonte Wyatt & Jordan Davis, and in 2022 he missed a few games.

In 2022 Carter played 67% of the team's snaps in the games when he wasn't injured and Georgia won by less than 21. That was just 5 games. In the one really close game, against Ohio State, he played 74% (52 snaps).

Helpful context though it still leaves open the question: could Carter play 75+% of snaps over a long stretch of a season? Just because he didn’t do it, doesn’t mean he can’t. However, the question does exist and him being out of shape at his pro day doesn’t help teams with that concern feel more comfortable.

Some of the chatter is saying after the accident Carter blamed himself for their deaths and has been depressed negatively impacting his desire to workout. I would still love if the Lions got him at 6, although many think the Seahawks nap him at 5. I think most of the criticism of his play is a pantload. The dude is a disruptive beast in the middle who will make any defense better.

Interesting take here. I was saying this all along. B/c he in fact, is a human being first. All of us think "well if I had millions on the line I'd be like..." but it just doesn't always work that way. Not to mention he had a guy in his ear "No matter what you're going top 10/gonna be a millionaire regardless" we are talking about a slide from 3-12, where overall, he will get life changing money. No chance he slides out of a range where he doesn't become instarich, so maybe he really didn't focus on the workouts/etc. A lot of said "tape don't lie" so If teams are going to pass on him for a few bad decisions and one bad workout after YEARS of showing the type of player he is, that's how it goes. I'm a bit biased b/c I want my team to draft him, but also, as human I can see the reasoning being real that he was actually depressed and know he made some terrible mistakes that had terrible consequences. Local authorities giving him passes time and time again certainly didn't help him on the road to accountability and sometimes it really does take a terrible/big mistake to get people to finally see the light and change their ways. I am rooting for him.

 

[Gally]

Helpful context though it still leaves open the question: could Carter play 75+% of snaps over a long stretch of a season? Just because he didn’t do it, doesn’t mean he can’t. However, the question does exist and him being out of shape at his pro day doesn’t help teams with that concern feel more comfortable.

Q Williams, who many believe is one of the best DT's in the league only played over 70% of the snaps in 4 games last year. He never played over 74% and did that only once. DT's don't need to play that big a percentage. They take a beating and need rest to stay effective. You may go to Donald as an example but he plays more as a rush guy and not the middle push guy like Carter would play. I think the deep trench guys typically go about 65-70% of the plays to remain fresh. We will see but I guess he gets there.

 

[Ilov80s]

Helpful context though it still leaves open the question: could Carter play 75+% of snaps over a long stretch of a season? Just because he didn’t do it, doesn’t mean he can’t. However, the question does exist and him being out of shape at his pro day doesn’t help teams with that concern feel more comfortable.

Q Williams, who many believe is one of the best DT's in the league only played over 70% of the snaps in 4 games last year. He never played over 74% and did that only once. DT's don't need to play that big a percentage. They take a beating and need rest to stay effective. You may go to Donald as an example but he plays more as a rush guy and not the middle push guy like Carter would play. I think the deep trench guys typically go about 65-70% of the plays to remain fresh. We will see but I guess he gets there.

Fair, I wasn’t sure on a number. I saw Chris Jones and Jeffrey Simmons near the top of DL snaps so I was guessing. Can Carter play 60% consistently?

 

[Ilov80s]

Jalen Carter played 39% of the team's defensive snaps in 2021 and 41% in 2022. But Georgia had a lot of blowout wins where their pulled their top players early. And in 2021 he was rotating with Devonte Wyatt & Jordan Davis, and in 2022 he missed a few games.

In 2022 Carter played 67% of the team's snaps in the games when he wasn't injured and Georgia won by less than 21. That was just 5 games. In the one really close game, against Ohio State, he played 74% (52 snaps).

Helpful context though it still leaves open the question: could Carter play 75+% of snaps over a long stretch of a season? Just because he didn’t do it, doesn’t mean he can’t. However, the question does exist and him being out of shape at his pro day doesn’t help teams with that concern feel more comfortable.

Some of the chatter is saying after the accident Carter blamed himself for their deaths and has been depressed negatively impacting his desire to workout. I would still love if the Lions got him at 6, although many think the Seahawks nap him at 5. I think most of the criticism of his play is a pantload. The dude is a disruptive beast in the middle who will make any defense better.

I get that but drafting a guy who is so depressed he’s possibly screwing up a once in a lifetime opportunity doesn’t exactly get me excited.

 

[Gally]

Fair, I wasn’t sure on a number. I saw Chris Jones and Jeffrey Simmons near the top of DL snaps so I was guessing. Can Carter play 60% consistently?

Much of that could depend on the team he lands on and whether or not they have personnel to allow him to rest. I think the question is really can he play effectively at some percentage and will that be enough to the a top 10 worthy selection? If he plays 50% of the plays but has a huge impact in those 50% it is likely worth it.

 

[massraider]

I get that but drafting a guy who is so depressed he’s possibly screwing up a once in a lifetime opportunity doesn’t exactly get me excited.

Dude, come on, two people he knew died.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Interior DLs sometimes rotate 3 guys into 2 spots. That would be 67% snaps. 4 man rotation would be 50%.

 

[Chaka]

Jalen Carter played 39% of the team's defensive snaps in 2021 and 41% in 2022. But Georgia had a lot of blowout wins where their pulled their top players early. And in 2021 he was rotating with Devonte Wyatt & Jordan Davis, and in 2022 he missed a few games.

In 2022 Carter played 67% of the team's snaps in the games when he wasn't injured and Georgia won by less than 21. That was just 5 games. In the one really close game, against Ohio State, he played 74% (52 snaps).

Helpful context though it still leaves open the question: could Carter play 75+% of snaps over a long stretch of a season? Just because he didn’t do it, doesn’t mean he can’t. However, the question does exist and him being out of shape at his pro day doesn’t help teams with that concern feel more comfortable.

Some of the chatter is saying after the accident Carter blamed himself for their deaths and has been depressed negatively impacting his desire to workout. I would still love if the Lions got him at 6, although many think the Seahawks nap him at 5. I think most of the criticism of his play is a pantload. The dude is a disruptive beast in the middle who will make any defense better.

I get that but drafting a guy who is so depressed he’s possibly screwing up a once in a lifetime opportunity doesn’t exactly get me excited.

Man you're more traumatized by the Lions than us Raider fans and I didn't think that was possible. Keep trying, you'll get that glass over half filled one of these days.

 

[TwinTurbo]

How do you show up to your pro day like that? One of the bigger red flags I have seen, ever.

Like what?

I don't know about you but my weight can fluctuate 5lbs between morning and evening of any given day.

9lbs from a guy like Carter is probably means he missed his morning BM ().

You aren't an athlete building up to a massive performance that will impact your entire athletic career. Also, the weight is one thing, the being winded and struggling with drills is something else. Plus he has had 2 serious driving incidents in the last 9 months. He got ticketed for going 89 in a 45. He was drag racing in the fatal accident. It all adds up to make me nervous about him. No way to make a definitive judgement since we are so removed from Carter himself but the red flags are obvious.

Here’s the video of the time he was caught driving 89 MPH that you mentioned, almost double the speed limit. You would have thought he would have known better after this, but then he gets involved in a illegal street race with fatalities. This happened around 4 months before the fatal street race.

Jalen Caught Diving 89MPH

Caught twice means he's done it 100 times most likely

I think most people on this board have probably exceeded the speed limit hundreds of times to varying degrees. But once the accident happened, maybe he changed his ways.

 

[TwinTurbo]

NFL teams were fools and passed on Warren Sapp who ended up being the centerpiece on one of the greatest Defenses of all time.
Carter was pretty amazing at Georgia and went against some of the best week in and week out in the SEC, I wouldn't pick this guy apart
I don't like what i hear about his off field antics but Warren Sapp was no choir boy either.
It's nasty down in that pit filled with Linemen from both sides, not everyone can be a gentleman
Lot of folks don't like Suh but he's borderline Hall of Fame
He was the No 2 overall pick in 2010

Suh had more sacks in a single game against Texas than Carter had in most of his career at Georgia. Sapp had 3x more sacks than Carter at Miami.
On the positive side, Carter did lead the SEC in QB pressures and he's amazing against the run and double teams. It's hard to find a 300lb guy who can move the way he does.
But I think it's fair to pick apart the lack of sack production and his questionable conditioning. He's not really in the same orbit as Suh and Sapp on that front. He also gets injured a lot.

 

[massraider]

NFL teams were fools and passed on Warren Sapp who ended up being the centerpiece on one of the greatest Defenses of all time.
Carter was pretty amazing at Georgia and went against some of the best week in and week out in the SEC, I wouldn't pick this guy apart
I don't like what i hear about his off field antics but Warren Sapp was no choir boy either.
It's nasty down in that pit filled with Linemen from both sides, not everyone can be a gentleman
Lot of folks don't like Suh but he's borderline Hall of Fame
He was the No 2 overall pick in 2010

Suh had more sacks in a single game against Texas than Carter had in most of his career at Georgia. Sapp had 3x more sacks than Carter at Miami.
On the positive side, Carter did lead the SEC in QB pressures and he's amazing against the run and double teams. It's hard to find a 300lb guy who can move the way he does.
But I think it's fair to pick apart the lack of sack production and his questionable conditioning. He's not really in the same orbit as Suh and Sapp on that front. He also gets injured a lot.

We have to go back 20 years to find someone he's not as good as. (But what about Aaron Donald??????????)

This is how good this guy is.

 

[TwinTurbo]

NFL teams were fools and passed on Warren Sapp who ended up being the centerpiece on one of the greatest Defenses of all time.
Carter was pretty amazing at Georgia and went against some of the best week in and week out in the SEC, I wouldn't pick this guy apart
I don't like what i hear about his off field antics but Warren Sapp was no choir boy either.
It's nasty down in that pit filled with Linemen from both sides, not everyone can be a gentleman
Lot of folks don't like Suh but he's borderline Hall of Fame
He was the No 2 overall pick in 2010

Suh had more sacks in a single game against Texas than Carter had in most of his career at Georgia. Sapp had 3x more sacks than Carter at Miami.
On the positive side, Carter did lead the SEC in QB pressures and he's amazing against the run and double teams. It's hard to find a 300lb guy who can move the way he does.
But I think it's fair to pick apart the lack of sack production and his questionable conditioning. He's not really in the same orbit as Suh and Sapp on that front. He also gets injured a lot.

We have to go back 20 years to find someone he's not as good as. (But what about Aaron Donald??????????)

This is how good this guy is.

Sure maybe he's as good as those guys on paper. But if you show up unprepared and out of shape in what should be the physical prime of your life to one of the most important days of your life, that speaks volumes. Suh, Sapp, Donald are all hyper competitive, like Michael Jordan nasty level drive. Does Carter have that same drive? To me that is the biggest question mark.

 

[Chaka]

NFL teams were fools and passed on Warren Sapp who ended up being the centerpiece on one of the greatest Defenses of all time.
Carter was pretty amazing at Georgia and went against some of the best week in and week out in the SEC, I wouldn't pick this guy apart
I don't like what i hear about his off field antics but Warren Sapp was no choir boy either.
It's nasty down in that pit filled with Linemen from both sides, not everyone can be a gentleman
Lot of folks don't like Suh but he's borderline Hall of Fame
He was the No 2 overall pick in 2010

Suh had more sacks in a single game against Texas than Carter had in most of his career at Georgia. Sapp had 3x more sacks than Carter at Miami.
On the positive side, Carter did lead the SEC in QB pressures and he's amazing against the run and double teams. It's hard to find a 300lb guy who can move the way he does.
But I think it's fair to pick apart the lack of sack production and his questionable conditioning. He's not really in the same orbit as Suh and Sapp on that front. He also gets injured a lot.

Is it really fair to compare Carter to a guy like Suh, who arguably deserves to be on the Mount Rushmore of NCAA football?

 

[Terpman22]

NFL teams were fools and passed on Warren Sapp who ended up being the centerpiece on one of the greatest Defenses of all time.
Carter was pretty amazing at Georgia and went against some of the best week in and week out in the SEC, I wouldn't pick this guy apart
I don't like what i hear about his off field antics but Warren Sapp was no choir boy either.
It's nasty down in that pit filled with Linemen from both sides, not everyone can be a gentleman
Lot of folks don't like Suh but he's borderline Hall of Fame
He was the No 2 overall pick in 2010

Suh had more sacks in a single game against Texas than Carter had in most of his career at Georgia. Sapp had 3x more sacks than Carter at Miami.
On the positive side, Carter did lead the SEC in QB pressures and he's amazing against the run and double teams. It's hard to find a 300lb guy who can move the way he does.
But I think it's fair to pick apart the lack of sack production and his questionable conditioning. He's not really in the same orbit as Suh and Sapp on that front. He also gets injured a lot.

Is it really fair to compare Carter to a guy like Suh, who arguably deserves to be on the Mount Rushmore of NCAA football?

As a college football player? No. As a prospect, projecting how good of a pro he can be? Yes.

 

[massraider]

Sure maybe he's as good as those guys on paper. But if you show up unprepared and out of shape in what should be the physical prime of your life to one of the most important days of your life, that speaks volumes. Suh, Sapp, Donald are all hyper competitive, like Michael Jordan nasty level drive. Does Carter have that same drive? To me that is the biggest question mark.

Excuse me, but Sapp had the cocaine question on draft night, Andrea Kramer asked him live if he did blow, and we can look back on it now like he was bulletproof, but he was not. Someone was down the bar instead of a message board saying "hey where there's smoke there's fire, i don't want a guy like that on my team, he can't even keep his nose clean before the biggest job interview of his life" and on and on.

Not for nothing, but a bunch of **** gets smeared on some of these kids before the draft every year, and I think it's fairly nasty. Maybe tap the brakes on calling out the work ethic of a kid and dismissing several years of knocking people around in the SEC because we read he was out of shape. It's totally fair to add it to the pile of good and bad as we guess if someone is going to be good, but this kind of feels like a thread people have pulled on really hard.

 

[Chaka]

NFL teams were fools and passed on Warren Sapp who ended up being the centerpiece on one of the greatest Defenses of all time.
Carter was pretty amazing at Georgia and went against some of the best week in and week out in the SEC, I wouldn't pick this guy apart
I don't like what i hear about his off field antics but Warren Sapp was no choir boy either.
It's nasty down in that pit filled with Linemen from both sides, not everyone can be a gentleman
Lot of folks don't like Suh but he's borderline Hall of Fame
He was the No 2 overall pick in 2010

Suh had more sacks in a single game against Texas than Carter had in most of his career at Georgia. Sapp had 3x more sacks than Carter at Miami.
On the positive side, Carter did lead the SEC in QB pressures and he's amazing against the run and double teams. It's hard to find a 300lb guy who can move the way he does.
But I think it's fair to pick apart the lack of sack production and his questionable conditioning. He's not really in the same orbit as Suh and Sapp on that front. He also gets injured a lot.

Is it really fair to compare Carter to a guy like Suh, who arguably deserves to be on the Mount Rushmore of NCAA football?

As a college football player? No. As a prospect, projecting how good of a pro he can be? Yes.

Faulting someone for not being as good as the best ever isn't a strong critique.

 

[Terpman22]

NFL teams were fools and passed on Warren Sapp who ended up being the centerpiece on one of the greatest Defenses of all time.
Carter was pretty amazing at Georgia and went against some of the best week in and week out in the SEC, I wouldn't pick this guy apart
I don't like what i hear about his off field antics but Warren Sapp was no choir boy either.
It's nasty down in that pit filled with Linemen from both sides, not everyone can be a gentleman
Lot of folks don't like Suh but he's borderline Hall of Fame
He was the No 2 overall pick in 2010

Suh had more sacks in a single game against Texas than Carter had in most of his career at Georgia. Sapp had 3x more sacks than Carter at Miami.
On the positive side, Carter did lead the SEC in QB pressures and he's amazing against the run and double teams. It's hard to find a 300lb guy who can move the way he does.
But I think it's fair to pick apart the lack of sack production and his questionable conditioning. He's not really in the same orbit as Suh and Sapp on that front. He also gets injured a lot.

Is it really fair to compare Carter to a guy like Suh, who arguably deserves to be on the Mount Rushmore of NCAA football?

As a college football player? No. As a prospect, projecting how good of a pro he can be? Yes.

Faulting someone for not being as good as the best ever isn't a strong critique.

I don't follow. My point is while he might not be the best NCAA player of all time (Carter), projecting him forward to how good a pro he can be is a different thing.

One could argue Tim Tebow deserves to be on the Mt Rushmore of NCAA Football, but ya know, when talking about how good a pro he can be, it was a different story. Some guys don't do crap in college and then turn out to be Hall of Famers. Some guys win 2 Heisman trophies or multiple titles as the QB in College and turn out to be a crappy NFL player.

 

[TwinTurbo]

NFL teams were fools and passed on Warren Sapp who ended up being the centerpiece on one of the greatest Defenses of all time.
Carter was pretty amazing at Georgia and went against some of the best week in and week out in the SEC, I wouldn't pick this guy apart
I don't like what i hear about his off field antics but Warren Sapp was no choir boy either.
It's nasty down in that pit filled with Linemen from both sides, not everyone can be a gentleman
Lot of folks don't like Suh but he's borderline Hall of Fame
He was the No 2 overall pick in 2010

Suh had more sacks in a single game against Texas than Carter had in most of his career at Georgia. Sapp had 3x more sacks than Carter at Miami.
On the positive side, Carter did lead the SEC in QB pressures and he's amazing against the run and double teams. It's hard to find a 300lb guy who can move the way he does.
But I think it's fair to pick apart the lack of sack production and his questionable conditioning. He's not really in the same orbit as Suh and Sapp on that front. He also gets injured a lot.

Is it really fair to compare Carter to a guy like Suh, who arguably deserves to be on the Mount Rushmore of NCAA football?

I was just replying to the Suh comparison by others. But yes I think it's completely fair. Some people are referring to Carter as a generational talent. Maybe he is. But it's not as clear as it was with Suh. I'm basically agreeing with you that he shouldn't be compared to Suh because he's not in that same orbit.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Sure maybe he's as good as those guys on paper. But if you show up unprepared and out of shape in what should be the physical prime of your life to one of the most important days of your life, that speaks volumes. Suh, Sapp, Donald are all hyper competitive, like Michael Jordan nasty level drive. Does Carter have that same drive? To me that is the biggest question mark.

Excuse me, but Sapp had the cocaine question on draft night, Andrea Kramer asked him live if he did blow, and we can look back on it now like he was bulletproof, but he was not. Someone was down the bar instead of a message board saying "hey where there's smoke there's fire, i don't want a guy like that on my team, he can't even keep his nose clean before the biggest job interview of his life" and on and on.

Not for nothing, but a bunch of **** gets smeared on some of these kids before the draft every year, and I think it's fairly nasty. Maybe tap the brakes on calling out the work ethic of a kid and dismissing several years of knocking people around in the SEC because we read he was out of shape. It's totally fair to add it to the pile of good and bad as we guess if someone is going to be good, but this kind of feels like a thread people have pulled on really hard.

I'm comparing ability on the field, not any of the personal life stuff. I'm not bullish on Carter, not because he likes to drive fast, but because he doesn't appear to have the same drive that you would expect from a top 10 pick. It's not a smear or where there's smoke there's fire. He literally showed up overweight and out of shape. You got to see the actual fire or lack thereof firsthand. And it's not like being gassed on pro day was the only strike. He was gassed against OSU and in other games after playing more snaps than normal. Is he a high-motor guy or is he a part time effort guy?

 

[massraider]

Sure maybe he's as good as those guys on paper. But if you show up unprepared and out of shape in what should be the physical prime of your life to one of the most important days of your life, that speaks volumes. Suh, Sapp, Donald are all hyper competitive, like Michael Jordan nasty level drive. Does Carter have that same drive? To me that is the biggest question mark.

Excuse me, but Sapp had the cocaine question on draft night, Andrea Kramer asked him live if he did blow, and we can look back on it now like he was bulletproof, but he was not. Someone was down the bar instead of a message board saying "hey where there's smoke there's fire, i don't want a guy like that on my team, he can't even keep his nose clean before the biggest job interview of his life" and on and on.

Not for nothing, but a bunch of **** gets smeared on some of these kids before the draft every year, and I think it's fairly nasty. Maybe tap the brakes on calling out the work ethic of a kid and dismissing several years of knocking people around in the SEC because we read he was out of shape. It's totally fair to add it to the pile of good and bad as we guess if someone is going to be good, but this kind of feels like a thread people have pulled on really hard.

I'm comparing ability on the field, not any of the personal life stuff. I'm not bullish on Carter, not because he likes to drive fast, but because he doesn't appear to have the same drive that you would expect from a top 10 pick. It's not a smear or where there's smoke there's fire. He literally showed up overweight and out of shape. You got to see the actual fire or lack thereof firsthand. And it's not like being gassed on pro day was the only strike. He was gassed against OSU and in other games after playing more snaps than normal. Is he a high-motor guy or is he a part time effort guy?

Yeah you repackaged the same thing you already said. "Speaks volumes"

We have no idea about Carter's work ethic. If it's as bad as you think he will drop in the draft.

 

[DocHolliday]

Please fall to 7. Please.

 

[massraider]

Please fall to 7. Please.

I would be his huckleberry