[DYNASTY] 2009 Top 12 Rookie Rankings (1 Viewer)

[gheemony]

Wells is looking good in the Fiesta Bowl. I haven't watched him play, but he's moving up my draft board. I have 1.03 and 1.04, so I hope he comes out and pushes some talent down to those two slots. I assume he and Moreno will go 1 and 2 in most leagues (with Crabtree sneaking in as well).

 

[offdee]

Wells is looking good in the Fiesta Bowl. I haven't watched him play, but he's moving up my draft board. I have 1.03 and 1.04, so I hope he comes out and pushes some talent down to those two slots. I assume he and Moreno will go 1 and 2 in most leagues (with Crabtree sneaking in as well).

Problem is Wells will NEVER make it through an NFL season...the guy is a walking injury. He can't seem to go 10 plays without getting dinged up, limping off or wincing in pain. Expect to see him listed as Questionable on the NFL injury report on a weekly basis.

 

[gheemony]

Wells is looking good in the Fiesta Bowl. I haven't watched him play, but he's moving up my draft board. I have 1.03 and 1.04, so I hope he comes out and pushes some talent down to those two slots. I assume he and Moreno will go 1 and 2 in most leagues (with Crabtree sneaking in as well).

Problem is Wells will NEVER make it through an NFL season...the guy is a walking injury. He can't seem to go 10 plays without getting dinged up, limping off or wincing in pain. Expect to see him listed as Questionable on the NFL injury report on a weekly basis.

I was wondering what happened to him. Now I am really hoping he gets taken before I pick. I'd hate to have to consider taking him.

 

[JohnnyU]

I was lucky enough to trade for two picks that turned out to be 1.01 and 1.02 in a 0.5 PPR league. I'll probably take a RB and Crabtree. I don't think this class is strong enough at RB to spend both those picks on RBs when perhaps the best WR in a decade is sitting there for the taking.

 

[Max Power]

Wells is looking good in the Fiesta Bowl. I haven't watched him play, but he's moving up my draft board. I have 1.03 and 1.04, so I hope he comes out and pushes some talent down to those two slots. I assume he and Moreno will go 1 and 2 in most leagues (with Crabtree sneaking in as well).

Problem is Wells will NEVER make it through an NFL season...the guy is a walking injury. He can't seem to go 10 plays without getting dinged up, limping off or wincing in pain. Expect to see him listed as Questionable on the NFL injury report on a weekly basis.

better question is will he play through these injuries? The bolded part is a basic summary of Portis

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Wells hasn't looked the same in terms of explosion to me since his toe/foot injury. Is he supposedly 100% now?

 

[BigJim®]

I was lucky enough to trade for two picks that turned out to be 1.01 and 1.02 in a 0.5 PPR league. I'll probably take a RB and Crabtree. I don't think this class is strong enough at RB to spend both those picks on RBs when perhaps the best WR in a decade is sitting there for the taking.

You feel Crabtree is better than Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson?

 

[BeTheMatch]

I was lucky enough to trade for two picks that turned out to be 1.01 and 1.02 in a 0.5 PPR league. I'll probably take a RB and Crabtree. I don't think this class is strong enough at RB to spend both those picks on RBs when perhaps the best WR in a decade is sitting there for the taking.

You feel Crabtree is better than Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson?

I was wondering the same thing.

 

[MAC_32]

Wells is looking good in the Fiesta Bowl. I haven't watched him play, but he's moving up my draft board. I have 1.03 and 1.04, so I hope he comes out and pushes some talent down to those two slots. I assume he and Moreno will go 1 and 2 in most leagues (with Crabtree sneaking in as well).

Problem is Wells will NEVER make it through an NFL season...the guy is a walking injury. He can't seem to go 10 plays without getting dinged up, limping off or wincing in pain. Expect to see him listed as Questionable on the NFL injury report on a weekly basis.

better question is will he play through these injuries? The bolded part is a basic summary of Portis

He won't. Beanie's toughness has been questioned by the Buckeye staff since he arrived on campus. They repeatedly challenge him, he repeatedly disappoints and won't play through injury.He's soft.

 

[Kirby]

I was lucky enough to trade for two picks that turned out to be 1.01 and 1.02 in a 0.5 PPR league. I'll probably take a RB and Crabtree. I don't think this class is strong enough at RB to spend both those picks on RBs when perhaps the best WR in a decade is sitting there for the taking.

You feel Crabtree is better than Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson?

JohnnyU = Mrs. Crabtree?

 

[doubletrouble]

Wells is looking good in the Fiesta Bowl. I haven't watched him play, but he's moving up my draft board. I have 1.03 and 1.04, so I hope he comes out and pushes some talent down to those two slots. I assume he and Moreno will go 1 and 2 in most leagues (with Crabtree sneaking in as well).

Problem is Wells will NEVER make it through an NFL season...the guy is a walking injury. He can't seem to go 10 plays without getting dinged up, limping off or wincing in pain. Expect to see him listed as Questionable on the NFL injury report on a weekly basis.

better question is will he play through these injuries? The bolded part is a basic summary of Portis

He won't. Beanie's toughness has been questioned by the Buckeye staff since he arrived on campus. They repeatedly challenge him, he repeatedly disappoints and won't play through injury.He's soft.

 

[doubletrouble]

I was lucky enough to trade for two picks that turned out to be 1.01 and 1.02 in a 0.5 PPR league. I'll probably take a RB and Crabtree. I don't think this class is strong enough at RB to spend both those picks on RBs when perhaps the best WR in a decade is sitting there for the taking.

You feel Crabtree is better than Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson?

JohnnyU = Mrs. Crabtree?

wow if you think he'll be better than Fitz.....

 

[GROMS]

I was lucky enough to trade for two picks that turned out to be 1.01 and 1.02 in a 0.5 PPR league. I'll probably take a RB and Crabtree. I don't think this class is strong enough at RB to spend both those picks on RBs when perhaps the best WR in a decade is sitting there for the taking.

You feel Crabtree is better than Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson?

I was wondering the same thing.

I'm wondering that too. I had Calvin fall to me at 1.2 the year he came out. Had to sit on him a while but it's paying off now. It still scares me a little to take a WR that high. I guess I don't have to worry about that this year since my first pick is at 1.6.

 

[-OZ-]

I was lucky enough to trade for two picks that turned out to be 1.01 and 1.02 in a 0.5 PPR league. I'll probably take a RB and Crabtree. I don't think this class is strong enough at RB to spend both those picks on RBs when perhaps the best WR in a decade is sitting there for the taking.

You feel Crabtree is better than Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson?

I was wondering the same thing.

As a prospect, I'm not sure I'd rank him above Braylon, Evans, Roy Williams, AJ, Rogers, or Plaxico. Certainly not Fitz or Calvin.

 

[valhallan]

I don't follow college football as closely as many in here, but when I watch the highlight packages of various receivers, the one thing that jumps out as unique to Crabtree vs. the others is that his quarterback is good. The ball was rarely forced to him and was often placed in an ideal spot. That shouldn't be a knock on Crabtree, but it does make me wonder how others would have done with similar quarterbacking.

 

[JohnnyU]

I was lucky enough to trade for two picks that turned out to be 1.01 and 1.02 in a 0.5 PPR league. I'll probably take a RB and Crabtree. I don't think this class is strong enough at RB to spend both those picks on RBs when perhaps the best WR in a decade is sitting there for the taking.

You feel Crabtree is better than Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson?

JohnnyU = Mrs. Crabtree?

wow if you think he'll be better than Fitz.....

I think he's as good as Fitz and AJ, but not as good as Calvin Johnson as far as potential. My statement "perhaps best WR in a decade" was a little strong, but not outrageous.

 

[JohnnyU]

I was lucky enough to trade for two picks that turned out to be 1.01 and 1.02 in a 0.5 PPR league. I'll probably take a RB and Crabtree. I don't think this class is strong enough at RB to spend both those picks on RBs when perhaps the best WR in a decade is sitting there for the taking.

You feel Crabtree is better than Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson?

I was wondering the same thing.

As a prospect, I'm not sure I'd rank him above Braylon, Evans, Roy Williams, AJ, Rogers, or Plaxico. Certainly not Fitz or Calvin.

Different opinions is a good thing.

 

[JohnnyU]

Wells is looking good in the Fiesta Bowl. I haven't watched him play, but he's moving up my draft board. I have 1.03 and 1.04, so I hope he comes out and pushes some talent down to those two slots. I assume he and Moreno will go 1 and 2 in most leagues (with Crabtree sneaking in as well).

Problem is Wells will NEVER make it through an NFL season...the guy is a walking injury. He can't seem to go 10 plays without getting dinged up, limping off or wincing in pain. Expect to see him listed as Questionable on the NFL injury report on a weekly basis.

better question is will he play through these injuries? The bolded part is a basic summary of Portis

He won't. Beanie's toughness has been questioned by the Buckeye staff since he arrived on campus. They repeatedly challenge him, he repeatedly disappoints and won't play through injury.He's soft.

Kind of reminds me of the Mewelde Moore situation in MN with Tice.

 

[BigTex]

I don't follow college football as closely as many in here, but when I watch the highlight packages of various receivers, the one thing that jumps out as unique to Crabtree vs. the others is that his quarterback is good. The ball was rarely forced to him and was often placed in an ideal spot. That shouldn't be a knock on Crabtree, but it does make me wonder how others would have done with similar quarterbacking.

I've followed TT very closely (TT Alumnus), Harrell is a good QB but to say the ball was often placed in an ideal spot is insane. Crabtree is very good at adjusting to the ball better than most WRs I've seen coming out of college in a long time. Crabtree is legit.

 

[BigJim®]

I was lucky enough to trade for two picks that turned out to be 1.01 and 1.02 in a 0.5 PPR league. I'll probably take a RB and Crabtree. I don't think this class is strong enough at RB to spend both those picks on RBs when perhaps the best WR in a decade is sitting there for the taking.

You feel Crabtree is better than Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson?

JohnnyU = Mrs. Crabtree?

wow if you think he'll be better than Fitz.....

I think he's as good as Fitz and AJ, but not as good as Calvin Johnson as far as potential. My statement "perhaps best WR in a decade" was a little strong, but not outrageous.

Fair enough. The first thing that comes to mind when I see statements like that is "would this person trade Fitz/Calvin/AJ for the rights to pick Crabtree in his rookie draft?" I.e., what is the conviction to the strong opinion. In these threads trying to value the top 12 dynasty rookies, I think that's a fair question, because often guys are needing to trade commodities to get these blue chip players.

 

[gheemony]

I was lucky enough to trade for two picks that turned out to be 1.01 and 1.02 in a 0.5 PPR league. I'll probably take a RB and Crabtree. I don't think this class is strong enough at RB to spend both those picks on RBs when perhaps the best WR in a decade is sitting there for the taking.

You feel Crabtree is better than Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson?

JohnnyU = Mrs. Crabtree?

wow if you think he'll be better than Fitz.....

I think he's as good as Fitz and AJ, but not as good as Calvin Johnson as far as potential. My statement "perhaps best WR in a decade" was a little strong, but not outrageous.

Tell me more. I don't have an opinion and the only time I saw him play was the bowl game and I thought he dropped some passes he should have caught. I have 1.03 and 1.04 and expect to go RB, RB, but I think I'll have the chance to take Crabtree. It's a pretty high bar (given league rules) for me to take a WR above a RB, but if Crabtree is Fitz or AJ, I'll definitely consider it.

 

[valhallan]

I don't follow college football as closely as many in here, but when I watch the highlight packages of various receivers, the one thing that jumps out as unique to Crabtree vs. the others is that his quarterback is good. The ball was rarely forced to him and was often placed in an ideal spot. That shouldn't be a knock on Crabtree, but it does make me wonder how others would have done with similar quarterbacking.

I've followed TT very closely (TT Alumnus), Harrell is a good QB but to say the ball was often placed in an ideal spot is insane. Crabtree is very good at adjusting to the ball better than most WRs I've seen coming out of college in a long time. Crabtree is legit.

Ok perhaps "ideal spot" was a poor choice of words, but my point is that his quarterback looked much better than the others'. He was going through his progressions and getting to Crabtree when it was the right play, rather than staring him down and forcing the ball. And there definitely were fewer throws in the dirt. Like I said, this shouldn't be a knock on Crabtree but it just makes evaluating these WRs in relation to each other harder. I honestly haven't seen enough in Crabtree to rate him significantly higher than a guy like Kenny Britt, but I'm willing to be listen if the evidence is there.

 

[offdee]

Tell me more. I don't have an opinion and the only time I saw him play was the bowl game and I thought he dropped some passes he should have caught. I have 1.03 and 1.04 and expect to go RB, RB, but I think I'll have the chance to take Crabtree. It's a pretty high bar (given league rules) for me to take a WR above a RB, but if Crabtree is Fitz or AJ, I'll definitely consider it.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...amp;hl=crabtree

 

[NorrisB]

anyone get the keyshawn johnson feeling from crabtree? Big strong, good hands but slow? I honestly think Jeremy Maclin is the more complete package

 

[offdee]

anyone get the keyshawn johnson feeling from crabtree? Big strong, good hands but slow? I honestly think Jeremy Maclin is the more complete package

Crabtree is far from slow. He may not have the best timed speed in workouts, but has the game speed, ala T.O., Boldin, Fitz and Jerry Rice.I expect him to run in the low 4.5's which is what Fitz ran if I remember correctly.

 

[gheemony]

Tell me more. I don't have an opinion and the only time I saw him play was the bowl game and I thought he dropped some passes he should have caught. I have 1.03 and 1.04 and expect to go RB, RB, but I think I'll have the chance to take Crabtree. It's a pretty high bar (given league rules) for me to take a WR above a RB, but if Crabtree is Fitz or AJ, I'll definitely consider it.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...amp;hl=crabtree

Thanks.

 

[awesomeness]

anyone get the keyshawn johnson feeling from crabtree? Big strong, good hands but slow? I honestly think Jeremy Maclin is the more complete package

Crabtree is far from slow. He may not have the best timed speed in workouts, but has the game speed, ala T.O., Boldin, Fitz and Jerry Rice.I expect him to run in the low 4.5's which is what Fitz ran if I remember correctly.

Crabtree also seems very quick. He can get to full speed pretty quickly. I'd say that Crabtree can already get off the line significantly quicker than Keyshawn ever could.

 

[-OZ-]

anyone get the keyshawn johnson feeling from crabtree? Big strong, good hands but slow? I honestly think Jeremy Maclin is the more complete package

Crabtree is far from slow. He may not have the best timed speed in workouts, but has the game speed, ala T.O., Boldin, Fitz and Jerry Rice.I expect him to run in the low 4.5's which is what Fitz ran if I remember correctly.

Crabtree also seems very quick. He can get to full speed pretty quickly. I'd say that Crabtree can already get off the line significantly quicker than Keyshawn ever could.

Plus, I'm not sure why saying a guy is like Keyshawn would be an insult. The guy was top 20 in receptions and top 25ish in yardage for his career. He was hyped a lot and he's become an insult, but he was a great player.

 

[DoubleG]

 

[EBF]

I turned on the OSU/Texas game late in the 2nd quarter hoping to see Chris Wells makes some plays. That's about the time when he decided to pack it in for the night. Sometimes it's dangerous to get too "bust happy" when you're making predictions about highly touted prospects, but I can't say I'd feel good about taking Beanie early in a rookie draft.

He's effective when he plays, but he's bad at avoiding contact and bad at playing through pain. That's not a good combination. In a deep class like this one, I might be inclined to let someone else take the gamble on him.

 

[EBF]

By the way, I thought Colt McCoy showed some promise. He made the one terrible INT to end the first half, but was otherwise pretty solid. He's tough and he doesn't seem to get rattled under pressure. You also have to like his accuracy.

On the flipside, Terrelle Pryor looks like another overhyped recruiting bust. All athlete and no passer.

 

[moderated]

I turned on the OSU/Texas game late in the 2nd quarter hoping to see Chris Wells makes some plays. That's about the time when he decided to pack it in for the night. Sometimes it's dangerous to get too "bust happy" when you're making predictions about highly touted prospects, but I can't say I'd feel good about taking Beanie early in a rookie draft. He's effective when he plays, but he's bad at avoiding contact and bad at playing through pain. That's not a good combination. In a deep class like this one, I might be inclined to let someone else take the gamble on him.

Exactly how i see him. He'll have periods of greatness but i just don't see him being a consistent reliable option year in and year out. He's a guy who would be good to grab and trade when he's having a good span of games.Although i completely disagree it's a deep class, unless your talking about a deep class of mediocrity.There are very few good bets in this class to become solid fantasy performers. A few guys will be great NFL players but not fantasy. Of course a few will turn out, but there just aren't many "sure" bets. Crabtree is the only WR who is a very high probability guy to post big fantasy numbers at WR, and at RB i really don't think there are any high probability guys. McCoy/Moreno are the only ones i'd give better then 50/50 odds that they will ever have a top 10 fantasy season in their career. I guess Beanie will likely have a good season or two as well but were not looking at any big time stud RB's.

 

[EBF]

I turned on the OSU/Texas game late in the 2nd quarter hoping to see Chris Wells makes some plays. That's about the time when he decided to pack it in for the night. Sometimes it's dangerous to get too "bust happy" when you're making predictions about highly touted prospects, but I can't say I'd feel good about taking Beanie early in a rookie draft. He's effective when he plays, but he's bad at avoiding contact and bad at playing through pain. That's not a good combination. In a deep class like this one, I might be inclined to let someone else take the gamble on him.

Exactly how i see him. He'll have periods of greatness but i just don't see him being a consistent reliable option year in and year out. He's a guy who would be good to grab and trade when he's having a good span of games.Although i completely disagree it's a deep class, unless your talking about a deep class of mediocrity.There are very few good bets in this class to become solid fantasy performers. A few guys will be great NFL players but not fantasy. Of course a few will turn out, but there just aren't many "sure" bets. Crabtree is the only WR who is a very high probability guy to post big fantasy numbers at WR, and at RB i really don't think there are any high probability guys. McCoy/Moreno are the only ones i'd give better then 50/50 odds that they will ever have a top 10 fantasy season in their career. I guess Beanie will likely have a good season or two as well but were not looking at any big time stud RB's.

I think WR is the main strength of this group. Almost any pick in the first round of a PPR league will net you a good prospect if you avoid the obvious fluff. There are some pretty good sleepers, too.I'm not in love with this RB class by any means, but there are some guys there who could succeed in the right situation.

 

[NorrisB]

By the way, I thought Colt McCoy showed some promise. He made the one terrible INT to end the first half, but was otherwise pretty solid. He's tough and he doesn't seem to get rattled under pressure. You also have to like his accuracy. On the flipside, Terrelle Pryor looks like another overhyped recruiting bust. All athlete and no passer.

he looks too short, had three blocked passes

 

[EBF]

By the way, I thought Colt McCoy showed some promise. He made the one terrible INT to end the first half, but was otherwise pretty solid. He's tough and he doesn't seem to get rattled under pressure. You also have to like his accuracy. On the flipside, Terrelle Pryor looks like another overhyped recruiting bust. All athlete and no passer.

he looks too short, had three blocked passes

I don't think height is necessarily a huge factor. McNabb, Brees, and Garcia are not big guys. There's definitely room in the NFL for 6'1"-6'2" QBs if they have the skills.

 

[offdee]

Terrelle Pryor looks like another overhyped recruiting bust. All athlete and no passer.

Terrelle Pryor is an absolutely dreadful passer. Good athlete, yes. Good QB, no.

 

[EBF]

Terrelle Pryor looks like another overhyped recruiting bust. All athlete and no passer.

Terrelle Pryor is an absolutely dreadful passer. Good athlete, yes. Good QB, no.

He looked terrible. Maybe he'll get it together and become a great player like Vince Young did. Then again, maybe he should start learning how to beat the jam and run some routes.

 

[offdee]

Terrelle Pryor looks like another overhyped recruiting bust. All athlete and no passer.

Terrelle Pryor is an absolutely dreadful passer. Good athlete, yes. Good QB, no.

He looked terrible. Maybe he'll get it together and become a great player like Vince Young did. Then again, maybe he should start learning how to beat the jam and run some routes.

What I thought was funny was how they hyped leading up to the game that both Pryor and Todd Boeckman would be on the field together like it was some kind of special ordeal....when all it was really to get Boeckman in there when there was a need to throw a pass longer than 15 yards.Yes, they threw a couple of fades to Pryor down near the end zone so it worked out that the 6'6" Pryor was up against some 5'9" DB, but 90% of the time Boeckman was in the game he was heaving bombs down the field because Pryor couldn't do that with any accuracy or velocity to save his life.

 

[EBF]

In person, I can watch a high school team warm up and tell you who the most dangerous WR on the field is. I can't evaluate TV at all when it comes to WR or QB. I really wish there was an altenative to how they broadcast the game, like an occasional "all 22" view, and an occasional end zone view. HOW DO THE REST OF YOU EVALUATE A WR??? Why are you (EBF) so high on guys that we don't get to see much of, like Dillard? I trust your opinion of him, but not as gospel since we all make mistakes. Do you get to watch Rice live a lot? Is he just the best WR on his team by a big margin so gets a lot of targets?

A lot of it is just "thin slicing." There are only so many athletes who can make exceptional plays. So when I see a guy make an exceptional play, I know he's an exceptional athlete. Kevin Curtis is a good example of this. I watched one game of his rookie preseason and knew immediately that he was going to be a good NFL player. He just popped off the screen in a way that the Todd Pinkstons of the world simply aren't capable of doing. Jarett Dillard regularly makes plays that demonstrate rare athletic gifts. Check out the slow-mo replay of the catch at 0:40.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRCxlUG1vts...re=channel_page

Think about what a great play that is.

He runs a nice route and makes a sharp cut, but the ball is thrown behind him. That's where the play ends for most receivers. Not Dillard. He leaps, spins, extends, makes the catch, and has the presence of mind to get both feet down. You can't teach that kind of innate skill. Dillard just has "it." Everyone around the Rice football program knows what an exceptional talent he is. He has 55 TD catches in his last three college seasons. He averages well over a TD catch per game. If he had played for a team like Texas or USC, he'd be a household name. He's better than Damian Williams, Jordan Shipley, Quan Cosby, or anyone on those teams.

That said, sometimes the "it" factor isn't enough. Dwayne Jarrett made a lot of great catches at USC, but has thus far been a failure in the NFL. Why? Because he probably doesn't have NFL caliber measurables (he's slow). That's the only risk factor with Dillard. However, his playing speed looks fine to me (watch him run down the DB after the interception later in the clip I linked) and he has something like a 45" vertical leap, which tells me that he has a lot of pop in his legs.

When you add up the eyeball test and the production, you have a pretty compelling prospect. He's not the top WR on my board, but I suspect he will outperform expectations in the NFL. Possibly be a wide margin. He's in the Reggie Wayne/Marvin Harrison mold. Not a flashy physical talent. Just an incredible receiver.

 

[EBF]

Do you think any of these 2nd tier WRs can one day be #1 guys? Brandon LaFell*, Mohammed Massaquoi, Derrick Williams, and Brandon GibsonMarshwan Gilyard* is a better NFL prospect than Eddie Royal IMO... agreed?

No, but I like Gilyard. Good burst and quicks. Good speed. Makes difficult catches and has natural hands. He's similar to Maclin in a lot of ways. Maybe not quite as smooth, but offers a similar overall package. I think he can be a first round pick next year if he comes back to school. If he declares for the draft this year then I think he can be a 2nd round pick. He's not comparable to Royal. Different type of player. Harvin is the closest thing to Royal in this class.

Also, where do you figure Senior WRs Louis Murphy, Brian Robiskie, and Ramses Barden will fit into NFL offenses? My thinking is that Murphy would have the most upside, but he comes from a long line of Florida WRs who do not have that elite competitiveness/toughness. Robiskie would seem to be on the other end of the spectrum with an attitude and matching skills to become a solid possesion type. I haven't seen alot of Barden, but with his size and speed, it's impossible to overlook him as a potential Vincent Jackson clone, at least.

Never seen Barden play.Robiskie will make a team. Good player. Borderline athlete. Maybe a Kevin Walter type in the right situation. Probably not a star though. Murphy is like Juan Iglesias. Decent player whose reputation might be inflated because of where he plays. I'm not sure he's exceptional enough to make a significant impact at the next level. Is he any better than Gaffney, Taylor, Hilliard, Reche, Bubba, or any of the innumerable Florida WRs who haven't done squat in the NFL?

 

[King of the Jungle]

FWIW

I watched a good portion of the UConn bowl game and Donald Brown "popped" off the screen. He was screaming first round draft choice. He ran hard (inside/outiside) and showed incredible SPEED, QUICKNESS, and VISION. He will be hyped come draft day.

 

[anakin]

FWIWI watched a good portion of the UConn bowl game and Donald Brown "popped" off the screen. He was screaming first round draft choice. He ran hard (inside/outiside) and showed incredible SPEED, QUICKNESS, and VISION. He will be hyped come draft day.

I saw a younger version of Thomas Jones with D Brown.

 

[valhallan]

That said, sometimes the "it" factor isn't enough. Dwayne Jarrett made a lot of great catches at USC, but has thus far been a failure in the NFL. Why? Because he probably doesn't have NFL caliber measurables (he's slow).

Or maybe Jarrett doesn't have the work ethic. I haven't done an in-depth study, but it seems the guys that make it at receiver are the ones that study and work hard to improve. There have been reports of poor practice habits for guys like Jarrett and Robert Meachem, and nothing but praise for the work ethics of guys like Eddie Royal and Marques Colston.ETA: Further, Jerry Rice wasn't known for his 40 time... he was known for his preparation

 

[Boone22]

That said, sometimes the "it" factor isn't enough. Dwayne Jarrett made a lot of great catches at USC, but has thus far been a failure in the NFL. Why? Because he probably doesn't have NFL caliber measurables (he's slow).

Or maybe Jarrett doesn't have the work ethic. I haven't done an in-depth study, but it seems the guys that make it at receiver are the ones that study and work hard to improve. There have been reports of poor practice habits for guys like Jarrett and Robert Meachem, and nothing but praise for the work ethics of guys like Eddie Royal and Marques Colston.

I'd take this a step further and make it an intelligence/football smarts issue. If a guy has a hard time learning an NFL level playbook, his development and production will suffer and may be labeled a bust fairly quickly.

 

[aposulli]

Do you think any of these 2nd tier WRs can one day be #1 guys? Brandon LaFell*, Mohammed Massaquoi, Derrick Williams, and Brandon GibsonMarshwan Gilyard* is a better NFL prospect than Eddie Royal IMO... agreed?

No, but I like Gilyard. Good burst and quicks. Good speed. Makes difficult catches and has natural hands. He's similar to Maclin in a lot of ways. Maybe not quite as smooth, but offers a similar overall package. I think he can be a first round pick next year if he comes back to school. If he declares for the draft this year then I think he can be a 2nd round pick. He's not comparable to Royal. Different type of player. Harvin is the closest thing to Royal in this class.

Also, where do you figure Senior WRs Louis Murphy, Brian Robiskie, and Ramses Barden will fit into NFL offenses? My thinking is that Murphy would have the most upside, but he comes from a long line of Florida WRs who do not have that elite competitiveness/toughness. Robiskie would seem to be on the other end of the spectrum with an attitude and matching skills to become a solid possesion type. I haven't seen alot of Barden, but with his size and speed, it's impossible to overlook him as a potential Vincent Jackson clone, at least.

Never seen Barden play.Robiskie will make a team. Good player. Borderline athlete. Maybe a Kevin Walter type in the right situation. Probably not a star though. Murphy is like Juan Iglesias. Decent player whose reputation might be inflated because of where he plays. I'm not sure he's exceptional enough to make a significant impact at the next level. Is he any better than Gaffney, Taylor, Hilliard, Reche, Bubba, or any of the innumerable Florida WRs who haven't done squat in the NFL?

Fair... Royal is probably a better runner (vision, instincts) ala Harvin, but I still love the quicks of Gilyard (and Maclin for that matter) Those guys will be able to separate and become go-to guys I think, if they work hard. Gilyard has better hands than Royal IMO which means, you're right- he'll probably be a 2nd Round pick. To me, Maclin looks blazing fast- I wonder if can he run a sub-4.4 40? If so, I don't think there's any question he's heading for the top 15.As far as these 2nd tier guys, some clearly lack explosiveness (Massaquoi, Gibson, and Robiskie- although he's not as slow as some people think), and some just weren't very productive (Murphy, Williams). Normally, I'd lean toward the latter in a dynasty draft. Looking for excuses, I can only say that Florida and Penn State haven't had prolific passing QBs recently, but at the same time, I'm sure most of the hype we hear on these guys is based on the schools they went to.I like LaFell as a guy who could potentially become the next solid big out of LSU. Not as good as Dwayne Bowe clearly, but he was solid this year without much help from the QB position. If he can put on some muscle without losing too much speed, he could be a 1st day pick worthy of top 5-10 WRs to look at in dynasty drafts.

 

[offdee]

To me, Maclin looks blazing fast- I wonder if can he run a sub-4.4 40? If so, I don't think there's any question he's heading for the top 15.

I agree, he looks insanely fast on the field....that punt return he had for a TD in the bowl game made everyone else look like they were running in molassas. I'd be surprised if his 40 time wasn't in the 4.35-4.42 range.

 

[Chachi]

Mayocks top 5 senior WRS (I think i remember, correct me if wrong, not 100% sure on number 4)

1. Brandon Tate

2. Iglesias

3. D. Williams

4. Murphy (not positive on this one)

5. Barden

Must say i was a little surprised with Tate as number 1.

 

[MAC_32]

Mayocks top 5 senior WRS (I think i remember, correct me if wrong, not 100% sure on number 4)1. Brandon Tate2. Iglesias3. D. Williams4. Murphy (not positive on this one)5. BardenMust say i was a little surprised with Tate as number 1.

Supposedly he'll be ready for the combine, I'll believe it when I see it, that was a nasty knee injury. Pre-combine I have no problems with Tate #1 among Sr's, he's got by far the highest ceiling of all Sr's.

 

[EBF]

Mayocks top 5 senior WRS (I think i remember, correct me if wrong, not 100% sure on number 4)1. Brandon Tate2. Iglesias3. D. Williams4. Murphy (not positive on this one)5. BardenMust say i was a little surprised with Tate as number 1.

Tate could've snuck into the first round if he didn't get hurt.

 

[fruity pebbles]

To me, Maclin looks blazing fast- I wonder if can he run a sub-4.4 40? If so, I don't think there's any question he's heading for the top 15.

I agree, he looks insanely fast on the field....that punt return he had for a TD in the bowl game made everyone else look like they were running in molassas. I'd be surprised if his 40 time wasn't in the 4.35-4.42 range.

He says he ran a 4.32 over the summer and feels he's gotten faster. Who knows how legit that was.