[DYNASTY] 2009 Top 12 Rookie Rankings (1 Viewer)

[whhwalker]

Brandon Spikes = over rated

Overrated in what respect? Leadership, athletic ability, speed, strength?Overrated when compared to whom? I participate in a College FFL and Spikes is statistically as accomplished as James Laurainitis whom many think is the best LB in NCAA.From what I have seen on gamedays, read during the week, and after having had the pleasure of meeting him face to face I can assure you he is very much the real deal. He reminds me a lot of Kevin Hardy, and if he can remain healthy will be a very solid LB in the NFL for years to come.

 

[jurb26]

Brandon Spikes = over rated

Overrated in what respect? Leadership, athletic ability, speed, strength?Overrated when compared to whom? I participate in a College FFL and Spikes is statistically as accomplished as James Laurainitis whom many think is the best LB in NCAA.From what I have seen on gamedays, read during the week, and after having had the pleasure of meeting him face to face I can assure you he is very much the real deal. He reminds me a lot of Kevin Hardy, and if he can remain healthy will be a very solid LB in the NFL for years to come.

I can't speak for MAC on this, but from what I've seen he over pursues plays, has trouble shedding blockers when the get to his level and plays erratic at times (not within the defensive scheme). I don't exactly think he is overrated, but I think these are some things that could be noted against him. He is plenty athletic.

 

[guderian]

(Colt) McCoy to stay for senior season

By Suzanne Halliburton | Monday, December 8, 2008, 12:59 PM

Longhorns quarterback Colt McCoy will stay for his senior season.

McCoy told the American-Statesman of his decision Monday.

“I’m not going anywhere,” McCoy said.

McCoy said he wants to play for a national championship, after falling one spot short of the title game this season.

“I’m coming back because we have a solid coaching staff,” he said. “And I’m coming back because I feel like I can develop the young receivers we have.”

McCoy said he will not “initiate” an evaluation with the NFL underclassmen committee. He said his coaches may ask for an evaluation for informational purposes, but he does not plan on asking them to do so.

McCoy is a redshirt junior. After this semester, he’ll have 12 hours remaining before he graduates. He said he’s planning on doing an internship this summer and will take a final course next fall, then graduate.

I agree with many about the value of these things this time of year, but I think this one is pretty solid. The part in bold was a reversal from his stance a couple of weeks ago. I don't think that McCoy would sniff the first round this year, so the smart thing for him to do would be to spend another year in college and work on his downfield passing.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I'd like to know more about these WRS and the next tier below. With the big 4 WRS in this class are the other WRs going to be undervalued? Where would Britt/Dilliard and the next tier stack up to other drafts? Would either of these guys have been the #1 WR in last years class?

I think second tier rookie WRs are always undervalued. Just look at all the NFL stars who entered the league with minimal draft hype: Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Greg Jennings, Anquan Boldin, Steve Smith, Roddy White, Laveranues Coles, Hines Ward, Muhsin Muhammad, Eddie Royal, Terrell Owens, Brandon Marshall, Derrick Mason, etc. None of these guys were early first round rookie picks in FF leagues. Many of them were complete afterthoughts. These guys are the exception and not the rule, but it seems like almost every draft class yields a couple wideouts who fly under the radar and eventually become solid pro players. Dillard and Britt could be the next players in that long tradition. Would they have been the first WRs picked last season? Hard to say without knowing their combine numbers. Dillard could go anywhere between the late 1st and early 4th. Britt could go anywhere from the late 1st to early 3rd. That said, their draft position isn't all-important. What's important is that these players offer legitimate starting potential at the next level. They're joined in this class by some other quality sleepers like Mardy Gilyard, Demetrius Byrd, and Brennan Marion. These aren't guys who will generate a ton of buzz on the draft message boards, but they'll make nice bargain gambles in rookie drafts.

I think roster management of young WRs is one of the more difficult things to consistently do well as a fantasy player. Some of the issues1) Who to draft. 2) How many spots to allocate to developmental WRs3) How long to keep to on your roster4) Who and when to pick up in either trade or off the WW5) Understanding whose flashes are real versus fraud.

Agree. Much harder than RBs. I think in some ways you have to do the waiver wire watch and not waste too many spots on developmental guys, but keep on eye on them and pounce before they are picked up. You still may lose on # 5 though.

 

[KSU_Shrink]

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[Rounders]

:sehorn:

Found out today, that I will have the 2nd and 3rd overall rookie picks next year, so needless to say I'm very interested to hear this talk.

 

[BigTex]

I'd like to see your list of top 12 in non-ppr, just a list, no explanations needed.

It would be the same order, but the RBs would be listed ahead of the WRs. Something like:1. Moreno

2. Greene

3. Wells

4. McCoy

5. Spiller

6. Crabtree

7. Maclin

8. Harvin

9. DHB

10. Bradford

11. Dillard

12. Britt

WRs are severely de-valued in most non-PPR leagues. I tend not to like those formats since I think they basically force you to make bad picks (by forcing you to reach for mediocre RBs).

Don't be surprised if Davis is top 12 in the end. But for now, this list is fine - I disagree with Wells at 3 (he's probably my #1) and Crabtree, even in PPR should be higher, but solid list overall for now. I'd love to see a top 20 including IDPs, but I can't make a good list that deep myself and aside from the hyped USC/OSU LBs, I'm not sure where the IDPs rank right now.

If that is James Davis, I would be surprised if he is drafted before round 4. If a remember he was givin like 3rd round grade last year, and did perform well at all in 2008. A guy to look for who is not being discussed much now in Doanld Brown of UConn.

.Flip a coin if he meant James Davis or Nate Davis, odds are 50-50.

Nate, whom I happen to like better than the other QBs.

UPDATED BREAKING NEWS: QB Nate Davis says he's returning

DETROIT — Ball State quarterback Nate Davis is passing on the NFL for now, he says. The junior quarterback announced after Friday' s Mid-American Conference championship 42-24 loss to Buffalo that we would return for his senior season.

His announcement came sort of hastily and quite surprisingly, so he was three times asked to confirm that he would in fact return next year. He repeated that he would.

"I will come back," he said. "No doubt about it. ... That's been the plan all along. I've never thought about coming out (for the NFL draft)."

Head coach Brady Hoke was asked after the game if he was aware of the decision and he responded by saying, "We never really talk about it. That's good." Hoke then cracked a smile.

The announcement was the only bright spot for Davis Friday night. The quarterback lost three fumbles and threw one interception. There was another team fumble on a botched shotgun snap that he was involved with. For the game, Davis completed 31-of-48 passes for 351 yards and one touchdown. His longest pass of the night was a 28-yarder.

Scratch him off the list

FOOTBALL: Nate Davis thinking about entering NFL Draft

Quarterback previously said he would return to Ball State

Ryan Wood

Section: SPORTS

Originally published: 12/12/08 at 7:29 PM EST

Last update: 12/12/08 at 7:27 PM EST

Ball State University junior quarterback Nate Davis said Friday night he is thinking about entering his name into this year's NFL Draft but he will not make the decision until Winter Break.

The statement comes one week after Davis said he will stay for his senior season at Ball State, a decision he made immediately following the Cardinals' 42-24 loss to the University at Buffalo in the Mid-American Conference Championship Game on Dec. 5. He also said he had never given any thought to entering the draft.

Davis said Friday he will make a final decision on whether to stay at Ball State or jump to the NFL during Winter Break. He said he will not make his decision until thoroughly discussing his options with his mother, brother and coaches.

"I haven't made a decision yet one way or the other," Davis said. "Me and my family are going to talk about it over Christmas Break, and I'm going to talk with my coaches."

The junior can enter the NFL Draft without forfeiting his eligibility if he does not sign an agent, according to NFL rules.

Jose Davis, Nate's older brother, said he spoke with Nate about entering the draft numerous times. The most recent was Tuesday, after Texas quarterback Colt McCoy - one of three Heisman Trophy finalists - told the Austin American-Statesman he would stay in college for a senior season.

"If entering the draft is a way to weigh out all his options, then he should do it," Jose said. "I thought this is what he should do from day one."

It is likely Nate Davis will be a first-round selection if he enters the draft this season, especially if McCoy stays at Texas. Despite a quality crop of quarterbacks this year, Jose Davis, who played quarterback at Kent State University and still holds most of the school's passing records, said he thinks his brother will be the third quarterback selected in the 2009 NFL Draft if he decides to enter.

"I see (University of Georgia quarterback Matt) Stafford and (University of Oklahoma quarterback Sam) Bradford being top five picks if they decide to enter the draft," Jose Davis said. "That leaves Nate a lot of room to be taken in the first round. I know if I'm going to be the third quarterback taken, I'm going to go pro."

Nate Davis' decision will not be based on whether head coach Brady Hoke leaves at the end of the season, but he said it will influence his future plans if Hoke isn't on the Cardinals' sidelines in 2009.

Hoke interviewed with Auburn University athletics director Jay Jacobs and San Diego State University athletics director Jeff Schemmel, according to ESPN reports. Ball State athletics director Tom Collins neither confirmed nor denied those reports Thursday afternoon.

Nate Davis said he talked to Hoke this week, and Hoke assured him he wouldn't accept any job offers from other schools.

"I believe coach Hoke will stay," Nate Davis said.

From what he's gathered in the discussions with his brother, however, Jose Davis said he thinks Hoke's contract situation is one of the major reasons he's thinking about jumping to the NFL.

"I think with the whole Brady Hoke saga, that has a lot to do with it," Jose Davis said. "I think it would for anybody. You don't want to have a new staff come in and know you're not their guy."

 

[FUBAR]

FOOTBALL: Nate Davis thinking about entering NFL DraftQuarterback previously said he would return to Ball State*snip*

reminiscent of 2004. (or maybe 2002?)

 

[Country Boy]

And I've got the 1 & 4 in the same league. Country Boy = ETM. So what are your thoughts at the top of the draft.

Hopefully most of these underclassmen declare and we have some interesting choices and get 2 good players each. Our trades that we made a while back are netting some good value, don't you think.

 

[FUBAR]

And I've got the 1 & 4 in the same league. Country Boy = ETM. So what are your thoughts at the top of the draft.Hopefully most of these underclassmen declare and we have some interesting choices and get 2 good players each. Our trades that we made a while back are netting some good value, don't you think.

It depends on your league's lineups, but IMO there are 4 elite FF prospects this year, so nicely done. Bradford/Stafford/Davis could be nice picks as well, but in most of the leagues I know, rookie QBs are rarely worth drafting that high (Ryan being one of the few exceptions)

 

[noneother]

And I've got the 1 & 4 in the same league. Country Boy = ETM. So what are your thoughts at the top of the draft.Hopefully most of these underclassmen declare and we have some interesting choices and get 2 good players each. Our trades that we made a while back are netting some good value, don't you think.

It depends on your league's lineups, but IMO there are 4 elite FF prospects this year, so nicely done. Bradford/Stafford/Davis could be nice picks as well, but in most of the leagues I know, rookie QBs are rarely worth drafting that high (Ryan being one of the few exceptions)

for some reason, I thought Ryan and Flacco were regarded as average NFL QB prospects, how do these three compare? more like Rodges and Smith? than Flacco and Ryan?

 

[Burning Sensation]

And I've got the 1 & 4 in the same league. Country Boy = ETM. So what are your thoughts at the top of the draft.

Hopefully most of these underclassmen declare and we have some interesting choices and get 2 good players each. Our trades that we made a while back are netting some good value, don't you think.

It depends on your league's lineups, but IMO there are 4 elite FF prospects this year, so nicely done. Bradford/Stafford/Davis could be nice picks as well, but in most of the leagues I know, rookie QBs are rarely worth drafting that high (Ryan being one of the few exceptions)

Matt Ryan certainly wasnt a top 5 pick last year in most dynasty leagues. He was typically going between picks 7-11.

 

[FUBAR]

And I've got the 1 & 4 in the same league. Country Boy = ETM. So what are your thoughts at the top of the draft.

Hopefully most of these underclassmen declare and we have some interesting choices and get 2 good players each. Our trades that we made a while back are netting some good value, don't you think.

It depends on your league's lineups, but IMO there are 4 elite FF prospects this year, so nicely done. Bradford/Stafford/Davis could be nice picks as well, but in most of the leagues I know, rookie QBs are rarely worth drafting that high (Ryan being one of the few exceptions)

Matt Ryan certainly wasnt a top 5 pick last year in most dynasty leagues. He was typically going between picks 7-11.

that may be. I was referencing a post Andy Dufusne made a week or two ago, re: Bradford.

 

[EBF]

And I've got the 1 & 4 in the same league. Country Boy = ETM. So what are your thoughts at the top of the draft.Hopefully most of these underclassmen declare and we have some interesting choices and get 2 good players each. Our trades that we made a while back are netting some good value, don't you think.

It depends on your league's lineups, but IMO there are 4 elite FF prospects this year, so nicely done. Bradford/Stafford/Davis could be nice picks as well, but in most of the leagues I know, rookie QBs are rarely worth drafting that high (Ryan being one of the few exceptions)

for some reason, I thought Ryan and Flacco were regarded as average NFL QB prospects, how do these three compare? more like Rodges and Smith? than Flacco and Ryan?

None of the four players you named were widely thought to be surefire impact players when they were drafted. I think Bradford will enter the league with a little more hype than them. Stafford is more along the lines of a Rivers/Boller/Cutler/Flacco type. Everyone acknowledges his upside, but I don't think anyone views him as can't-miss franchise QB.

 

[Boone22]

And I've got the 1 & 4 in the same league. Country Boy = ETM. So what are your thoughts at the top of the draft.

Hopefully most of these underclassmen declare and we have some interesting choices and get 2 good players each. Our trades that we made a while back are netting some good value, don't you think.

It depends on your league's lineups, but IMO there are 4 elite FF prospects this year, so nicely done. Bradford/Stafford/Davis could be nice picks as well, but in most of the leagues I know, rookie QBs are rarely worth drafting that high (Ryan being one of the few exceptions)

You probably mentioned them already and I probably missd it. Who are your 4 elite prospects?

 

[FUBAR]

And I've got the 1 & 4 in the same league. Country Boy = ETM. So what are your thoughts at the top of the draft.

Hopefully most of these underclassmen declare and we have some interesting choices and get 2 good players each. Our trades that we made a while back are netting some good value, don't you think.

It depends on your league's lineups, but IMO there are 4 elite FF prospects this year, so nicely done. Bradford/Stafford/Davis could be nice picks as well, but in most of the leagues I know, rookie QBs are rarely worth drafting that high (Ryan being one of the few exceptions)

You probably mentioned them already and I probably missd it. Who are your 4 elite prospects?

I thought this was a pretty common belief, Wells, Moreno, Crabtree and assuming he enters, McCoy.ETA: I know McCoy (Pitt RB) has said he's staying. We'll see.

If he does, either Bradford, Maclin or Greene would be a good #4 pick.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

There could be 4-5 RBs picked in the first round this year, so I think it's a pretty strong group.

Could you list the RBs you currently rate as 1st or 2nd round prospects? Thanks a lot.

 

[MAC_32]

Brandon Spikes = over rated

Overrated in what respect? Leadership, athletic ability, speed, strength?Overrated when compared to whom? I participate in a College FFL and Spikes is statistically as accomplished as James Laurainitis whom many think is the best LB in NCAA.

From what I have seen on gamedays, read during the week, and after having had the pleasure of meeting him face to face I can assure you he is very much the real deal. He reminds me a lot of Kevin Hardy, and if he can remain healthy will be a very solid LB in the NFL for years to come.

I can't speak for MAC on this, but from what I've seen he over pursues plays, has trouble shedding blockers when the get to his level and plays erratic at times (not within the defensive scheme). I don't exactly think he is overrated, but I think these are some things that could be noted against him. He is plenty athletic.

The bolded + I don't think he can cover sideline to sideline well at all. He's a decent player between the hashes and reads the QB's eyes very well, but those are the only qualities about him I really like.I consider him over rated in that he's a late day two talent in my eyes but sounds like he'll be drafted day one, and comparing him to Laurinitis does nothing to strengthen the argument for Spikes. Little Animal is more over rated than Spikes.

 

[EBF]

There could be 4-5 RBs picked in the first round this year, so I think it's a pretty strong group.

Could you list the RBs you currently grade as a 1st or 2nd round prospect? Thanks a lot.

1st Round CandidatesChris Wells, Ohio State

Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

LeSean McCoy, Pittsburgh

CJ Spiller, Clemson

Shonn Greene, Iowa

2nd Round Candidates

DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma

Rashad Jennings, Liberty

Javon Ringer, Michigan State

Charles Scott, LSU

Donald Brown, UConn

James Davis, Clemson

The first five guys represent a pretty clear first tier. They're the elite backs in the draft.

The guys in the second group will rise or fall depending on combine numbers. There might be 1-2 gems in the bunch, but as of right now they're a notch below the elite.

 

[EBF]

By the way, I have never watched one of Rashad Jennings' games. I only included him on the list because I have seen some sites that have him as a round 2-3 candidate. From what I've seen in highlights, he's a step slow and should not be considered before the 5th-7th round range of the NFL draft (if at all).

 

[Cookiemonster]

2nd Round Candidates

DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma

Rashad Jennings, Liberty

Javon Ringer, Michigan State

Charles Scott, LSU

Donald Brown, UConn

James Davis, Clemson

I've seen some of Murray, and it looks like he's getting back to pre-injury form. He could very easily out-perform some of the 1st tier guys IMO.Haven't seen Jennings or Brown.

Ringer doesn't impress me much. He'll go too high in the draft IMO thanks to some great weightlifting #s and what should be good track #s. Better athelete than football player IMO. Scott is not flashy, but effective. I doubt he goes day 1, but could be an adequate NFL backup. T.Choice'ish. J.Davis is very similar, but less impressive.

I'm no college guru by any means, but I do think I have a very good eye for RBs and it doesn't take me long to get a good feel for what they can bring to an NFL team. My only risk in that is - I work weekends and don't get to see enough of these guys, so sometimes I only get to see an "off game." I also think S.Johnson (USC) belongs in this 2nd tier.

 

[EBF]

2nd Round Candidates

DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma

Rashad Jennings, Liberty

Javon Ringer, Michigan State

Charles Scott, LSU

Donald Brown, UConn

James Davis, Clemson

I've seen some of Murray, and it looks like he's getting back to pre-injury form. He could very easily out-perform some of the 1st tier guys IMO.Haven't seen Jennings or Brown.

Ringer doesn't impress me much. He'll go too high in the draft IMO thanks to some great weightlifting #s and what should be good track #s. Better athelete than football player IMO. Scott is not flashy, but effective. I doubt he goes day 1, but could be an adequate NFL backup. T.Choice'ish. J.Davis is very similar, but less impressive.

I'm no college guru by any means, but I do think I have a very good eye for RBs and it doesn't take me long to get a good feel for what they can bring to an NFL team. My only risk in that is - I work weekends and don't get to see enough of these guys, so sometimes I only get to see an "off game." I also think S.Johnson (USC) belongs in this 2nd tier.

I don't disagree with your take. I'm not excited about any of those second tier backs. I'll probably be looking at WR/QB/TE in that range.I agree about Stafon Johnson, but who knows if he will come out? The RBBC at USC limits his opportunities to show his talent.

 

[Cookiemonster]

2nd Round Candidates

DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma

Rashad Jennings, Liberty

Javon Ringer, Michigan State

Charles Scott, LSU

Donald Brown, UConn

James Davis, Clemson

I've seen some of Murray, and it looks like he's getting back to pre-injury form. He could very easily out-perform some of the 1st tier guys IMO.Haven't seen Jennings or Brown.

Ringer doesn't impress me much. He'll go too high in the draft IMO thanks to some great weightlifting #s and what should be good track #s. Better athelete than football player IMO. Scott is not flashy, but effective. I doubt he goes day 1, but could be an adequate NFL backup. T.Choice'ish. J.Davis is very similar, but less impressive.

I'm no college guru by any means, but I do think I have a very good eye for RBs and it doesn't take me long to get a good feel for what they can bring to an NFL team. My only risk in that is - I work weekends and don't get to see enough of these guys, so sometimes I only get to see an "off game." I also think S.Johnson (USC) belongs in this 2nd tier.

I don't disagree with your take. I'm not excited about any of those second tier backs. I'll probably be looking at WR/QB/TE in that range.I agree about Stafon Johnson, but who knows if he will come out? The RBBC at USC limits his opportunities to show his talent.

Agree with most everything you post on rooks. As far as Johnson, I'm wondering how many more recruits we get this year with the CBA issue looming. I doubt the possibility of a rookie cap affects much more than the 1st 20 picks or so, but it may be all the motivation needed for some of these guys on the bubble to declare. With a guy like Johnson, knowing he's going to share so much time/carries anyways, do you think USC RBs are really in it for the diploma?

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

There could be 4-5 RBs picked in the first round this year, so I think it's a pretty strong group.

Could you list the RBs you currently grade as a 1st or 2nd round prospect? Thanks a lot.

1st Round CandidatesChris Wells, Ohio State

Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

LeSean McCoy, Pittsburgh

CJ Spiller, Clemson

Shonn Greene, Iowa

2nd Round Candidates

DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma

Rashad Jennings, Liberty

Javon Ringer, Michigan State

Charles Scott, LSU

Donald Brown, UConn

James Davis, Clemson

The first five guys represent a pretty clear first tier. They're the elite backs in the draft.

The guys in the second group will rise or fall depending on combine numbers. There might be 1-2 gems in the bunch, but as of right now they're a notch below the elite.

Thanks.

 

[EBF]

I might have to move LeSean McCoy up next time around. He's electric:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5jvf1F95uM...re=channel_page

He doesn't fit the traditional 350+ carry mold, but I don't see why he can't be a productive starter if he's used like Westbrook or Faulk.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Is there a resource to find out what former players were high picks from different schools at the same positions? For example, have there been any RBs drafted in the first round from Ohio state cause Beanie will go in round 1, have there been any 1st - 3rd round RBs drafted from Clemson because Spiller/Davis should go in rounds 1-3, have there been any 1st round WRs drafted from Texas Tech, ect; I am mainly interested in the list that EBF posted as the first post of the thread including the players on the bubble.

 

[Keith Lewis]

CJ Spiller ran a 6.58 in the 60 meters this year, best time of the year in the United States, there is no doubting his speed. I have no idea what that would break down to in a 40 time. Maybe someone has a nifty calculator to translate a 6.58 60 meters to 40 yards.

 

[Kleck]

Is there a resource to find out what former players were high picks from different schools at the same positions? For example, have there been any RBs drafted in the first round from Ohio state cause Beanie will go in round 1, have there been any 1st - 3rd round RBs drafted from Clemson because Spiller/Davis should go in rounds 1-3, have there been any 1st round WRs drafted from Texas Tech, ect; I am mainly interested in the list that EBF posted as the first post of the thread including the players on the bubble.

First Round RBs from OSUYEAR - RD - PICK - PLAYER - TEAM

1961 1 7 Tom Matte BAL

1971 1 9 John Brockington GNB

1986 1 10 Keith Byars PHI

1996 1 14 Eddie George HOU

1993 1 21 Robert Smith MIN

1971 1 24 Leo Hayden MIN

1976 1 24 Archie Griffin CIN

Pro-Football_Reference Draft Database

I just did a simple Big Ten RB search. Sort results by College. You can also "Cut & Paste Special (text)" into Excel. Then "Data Sort" by College, Round and Pick.

 

[Rungo Iron]

CJ Spiller ran a 6.58 in the 60 meters this year, best time of the year in the United States, there is no doubting his speed. I have no idea what that would break down to in a 40 time. Maybe someone has a nifty calculator to translate a 6.58 60 meters to 40 yards.

60 meter = 65.6167979 yardBefore I say what this converts to for a 40 time, just realize that running a 40 yard dash is different than a 65 yard dash. A 65 yard dash is going to be faster as far as yards per second because there is more time to make up for the start.Here's some math:6.58 seconds in 65.6167979 yards = 0.100279 seconds per yardConverting to a 40 time...40 yards x (0.100279 seconds per yard) = 4.01 seconds This really isn't a good indication of what his 40 time will be, but it definately still shows that the kid can run.

 

[Kleck]

Clemson RBs

1987 1 25 Terrence Flagler RB SFO

1987 2 31 Kenny Flowers RB ATL

1983 3 66 Cliff Austin RB NOR

1993 4 91 Rudy Harris RB TAM

1998 5 129 Raymond Priester RB STL

1968 5 134 Jackie Jackson RB CLE

1983 5 135 Chuck McSwain RB DAL

1974 6 131 Jay Washington RB KAN

1980 7 189 Lester Brown RB DAL

1983 7 194 Jeff McCall RB RAI

1990 9 241 Terry Allen RB MIN

1989 10 271 Tracy Johnson RB HOU

1976 10 282 Don Testerman RB MIA

Texas Tech WRs

40 2004 4 99 Carlos Francis WR OAK

39 2007 6 189 Joel Filani WR TEN

You also have Wes Welker, but he was undrafted.

 

[EBF]

CJ Spiller ran a 6.58 in the 60 meters this year, best time of the year in the United States, there is no doubting his speed. I have no idea what that would break down to in a 40 time. Maybe someone has a nifty calculator to translate a 6.58 60 meters to 40 yards.

Just looking at games, I have to think he'll run anywhere from a mid 4.2 to a low 4.3. There aren't a lot of guys who can pull away like he does. Ted Ginn and Chris Johnson are the only recent prospects who come to mind.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Is there a resource to find out what former players were high picks from different schools at the same positions? For example, have there been any RBs drafted in the first round from Ohio state cause Beanie will go in round 1, have there been any 1st - 3rd round RBs drafted from Clemson because Spiller/Davis should go in rounds 1-3, have there been any 1st round WRs drafted from Texas Tech, ect; I am mainly interested in the list that EBF posted as the first post of the thread including the players on the bubble.

First Round RBs from OSUYEAR - RD - PICK - PLAYER - TEAM

1961 1 7 Tom Matte BAL

1971 1 9 John Brockington GNB

1986 1 10 Keith Byars PHI

1996 1 14 Eddie George HOU

1993 1 21 Robert Smith MIN

1971 1 24 Leo Hayden MIN

1976 1 24 Archie Griffin CIN

Pro-Football_Reference Draft Database

I just did a simple Big Ten RB search. Sort results by College. You can also "Cut & Paste Special (text)" into Excel. Then "Data Sort" by College, Round and Pick.

Thanks, much appreciated.

 

[Q-Bert]

I might have to move LeSean McCoy up next time around. He's electric:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5jvf1F95uM...re=channel_page

He doesn't fit the traditional 350+ carry mold, but I don't see why he can't be a productive starter if he's used like Westbrook or Faulk.

Umm, that guy looked good.Real good.

The run that started at about 0:25 was sick.

 

[EBF]

I might have to move LeSean McCoy up next time around. He's electric:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5jvf1F95uM...re=channel_page

He doesn't fit the traditional 350+ carry mold, but I don't see why he can't be a productive starter if he's used like Westbrook or Faulk.

Umm, that guy looked good.Real good.

The run that started at about 0:25 was sick.

Yea, that was eye-opening stuff. Situation will be an important factor in this RB class. I'm not seeing a whole lot of differentiation between my top 5.

McCoy isn't the biggest back around, but he has the best quickness and lateral moves of any RB in this draft. On the right team, he could really flourish.

 

[FUBAR]

Umm, that guy looked good.Real good.

NTTAWWT

 

[gheemony]

and Thanks! I have 1.03 and 1.04. Right now, I am focused on getting those underclassmen to come out. That will make a huge difference. Then waiting to find out where players land.

 

[offdee]

So, just got done watching the Maryland bowl game from earlier today and came away unimpressed with Darius Heyward-Bay.

I know he wasn't playing at 100% health, but he just doesn't seem very "smooth" to me and the injury has nothing to do with what I have an issue with in his game. He's not a natural hands catcher....instincts are to let the ball get into his body and when forced to catch with his hands seems to fight the ball a bit. He may be a burner, but this issue will catch up to him at the next level in my opinion.

It actually reminds me a lot of when I was scouting Vernon Davis before the draft (just coincidence both are from Maryland) when everyone was all over his jock of what an NFL stud he would be and I had the exact same concerns with VD....off the chart workout numbers, but not a natural hands catcher and it would affect his upside at the next level.

 

[EBF]

So, just got done watching the Maryland bowl game from earlier today and came away unimpressed with Darius Heyward-Bay.

I know he wasn't playing at 100% health, but he just doesn't seem very "smooth" to me and the injury has nothing to do with what I have an issue with in his game. He's not a natural hands catcher....instincts are to let the ball get into his body and when forced to catch with his hands seems to fight the ball a bit. He may be a burner, but this issue will catch up to him at the next level in my opinion.

It actually reminds me a lot of when I was scouting Vernon Davis before the draft (just coincidence both are from Maryland) when everyone was all over his jock of what an NFL stud he would be and I had the exact same concerns with VD....off the chart workout numbers, but not a natural hands catcher and it would affect his upside at the next level.

FWIW, I rank him behind Crabtree, Harvin, and Maclin for many of the same reasons. With a gun to my head, I might even prefer Britt and/or Dillard over DHB. DHB is the biggest enigma of the group and the least accomplished on the football field. But I guarantee you some NFL team is going to fall in love with the upside. You can't teach this:

His size and speed alone will get him picked in the top 35.

 

[moderated]

DHB is being hugely over-rated in fantasy circles IMO. He's an average prospect.

Love Maclin as an NFL player but not so much as a fantasy football player. Have watched him more than any other college player the past couple years and just don't see him having top 10 fantasy WR potential, which is what is important for WR prospects. He'll be great as an all-purpose player though for an NFL team.

Harvin is kind of the same where he could be a Santana Mossish type but not a year in year out stud for Fantasy football. Occasional big games but disappearing a lot of the time on the stat sheet.

Outside of Crabtree this WR class is grossly over-rated when talking about them as fantasy studs. Sure you might get a guy who is top 20's but were not looking at big time stud FF receivers besides Crabtree.

The RB's have some interesting prospects, but i don't think any of them are close to ADP type prospects, although it is a good class 4-5 deep as those top guys do have nice fantasy potential. Spiller is another guy who i don't think will translate well to Fantasy football but will be a very good weapon in the NFL, just not a consistent stat guy. Not good enough between the tackles and can't see him handling 20ish touches a game.

McCoy is known as a bit of a headcase so he carries risk in that regard but talent wise he is very very good. I'd like to gamble on him with the 3rd/4th pick and couldn't fault someone for taking him first if he falls in a good situation.

Moreno is the best all-purpose RB in the class and is probably my #1 guy at this point.

Beanie is bit one-dimensional and i really don't know what to think of him, could be huge or could bust, he really puzzles me when evaluating him.

 

[offdee]

So, just got done watching the Maryland bowl game from earlier today and came away unimpressed with Darius Heyward-Bay.

I know he wasn't playing at 100% health, but he just doesn't seem very "smooth" to me and the injury has nothing to do with what I have an issue with in his game. He's not a natural hands catcher....instincts are to let the ball get into his body and when forced to catch with his hands seems to fight the ball a bit. He may be a burner, but this issue will catch up to him at the next level in my opinion.

It actually reminds me a lot of when I was scouting Vernon Davis before the draft (just coincidence both are from Maryland) when everyone was all over his jock of what an NFL stud he would be and I had the exact same concerns with VD....off the chart workout numbers, but not a natural hands catcher and it would affect his upside at the next level.

FWIW, I rank him behind Crabtree, Harvin, and Maclin for many of the same reasons. With a gun to my head, I might even prefer Britt and/or Dillard over DHB. DHB is the biggest enigma of the group and the least accomplished on the football field. But I guarantee you some NFL team is going to fall in love with the upside. You can't teach this:

Agreed. A team will fall in love with his size and speed and pick him much earlier than he really should (much like they did with Vernon Davis).I'll believe it when I see it, but during the game they reported that coaches have timed DHB in the high 4.2's in the 40. If that happens he could go top 10 which would be a colassel mistake.

I actually fell into the VD trap in one of my leagues even though deep down my eyes told me something wasn't right with his game and have regretted it ever since....not going to fall into the DHB trap this time.

 

[EBF]

Outside of Crabtree this WR class is grossly over-rated when talking about them as fantasy studs. Sure you might get a guy who is top 20's but were not looking at big time stud FF receivers besides Crabtree.

I don't know if I agree with that. I think some of the top guys have superstar potential I think we'll see one of the second tier guys emerge ala Roddy White, Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Anquan Boldin, Greg Jennings, and Eddie Royal. I think it's a good group of WRs.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

 

[-OZ-]

and Thanks! I have 1.03 and 1.04. Right now, I am focused on getting those underclassmen to come out. That will make a huge difference. Then waiting to find out where players land.

What are your tactics for convincing them to come out?

 

[Blood Hound]

and Thanks! I have 1.03 and 1.04. Right now, I am focused on getting those underclassmen to come out. That will make a huge difference. Then waiting to find out where players land.

What are your tactics for convincing them to come out?

@ the joke

 

[BigJim®]

I might have to move LeSean McCoy up next time around. He's electric:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5jvf1F95uM...re=channel_page

He doesn't fit the traditional 350+ carry mold, but I don't see why he can't be a productive starter if he's used like Westbrook or Faulk.

Tony Dorsett was just interviewed during the Sun Bown and was asked about McCoy, he said he advised McCoy to stay in school another year, and then commented "I think he's going to do that." I was thinking he might come out?

 

[Chachi]

I might have to move LeSean McCoy up next time around. He's electric:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5jvf1F95uM...re=channel_page

He doesn't fit the traditional 350+ carry mold, but I don't see why he can't be a productive starter if he's used like Westbrook or Faulk.

Tony Dorsett was just interviewed during the Sun Bown and was asked about McCoy, he said he advised McCoy to stay in school another year, and then commented "I think he's going to do that." I was thinking he might come out?

He'll come out. He'd be pretty dumb to risk a career threatening injury and risk 20 million guarenteed dollars. I guess he could risk it if he's really confident in the education he's getting and thinks he can make 20 million in another field.

 

[gheemony]

and Thanks! I have 1.03 and 1.04. Right now, I am focused on getting those underclassmen to come out. That will make a huge difference. Then waiting to find out where players land.

What are your tactics for convincing them to come out?

I'm open to suggestions, but so far:1. Divine intervention.

2. Cash money.

3. Psychokinesis.

4. Tips I learned from "How to Win Friends and Influence People"

5. Tips I learned from PacMan Jones.

 

[Kleck]

I might have to move LeSean McCoy up next time around. He's electric:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5jvf1F95uM...re=channel_page

He doesn't fit the traditional 350+ carry mold, but I don't see why he can't be a productive starter if he's used like Westbrook or Faulk.

Tony Dorsett was just interviewed during the Sun Bown and was asked about McCoy, he said he advised McCoy to stay in school another year, and then commented "I think he's going to do that." I was thinking he might come out?

He'll come out. He'd be pretty dumb to risk a career threatening injury and risk 20 million guarenteed dollars. I guess he could risk it if he's really confident in the education he's getting and thinks he can make 20 million in another field.

He'll need to be a very high pick to get $20M guaranteed, but I think he should come out too. I think he's at least looking at a mid/late first which would put him in the $7-10M guarantee range. Get that money now, and play for that $20M+ guarantee in 4-5 years.

 

[footballguy#1]

Outside of Crabtree this WR class is grossly over-rated when talking about them as fantasy studs. Sure you might get a guy who is top 20's but were not looking at big time stud FF receivers besides Crabtree.

I don't know if I agree with that. I think some of the top guys have superstar potential I think we'll see one of the second tier guys emerge ala Roddy White, Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Anquan Boldin, Greg Jennings, and Eddie Royal. I think it's a good group of WRs.

Wasn't Reggie Wayne a first round pick? i don't think he was ever considered a second tier guy.

 

[EBF]

Outside of Crabtree this WR class is grossly over-rated when talking about them as fantasy studs. Sure you might get a guy who is top 20's but were not looking at big time stud FF receivers besides Crabtree.

I don't know if I agree with that. I think some of the top guys have superstar potential I think we'll see one of the second tier guys emerge ala Roddy White, Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Anquan Boldin, Greg Jennings, and Eddie Royal. I think it's a good group of WRs.

Wasn't Reggie Wayne a first round pick? i don't think he was ever considered a second tier guy.

I guess that depends on your definition of first tier. Wayne was the 30th pick and the 6th WR taken in 2001.