DYNASTY: 2012 Top college prospects (2 Viewers)

[FreeBaGeL]

Is anyone concerned that Luck will turn into a captain checkdown in the NFL? Tonight it seemed like he checked down a ton and only went downfield when someone was wide open because of the damage Stanford was doing on the ground. On 3rd and 13 in OT with a true freshman kicker who had just missed twice he went straight to the 1 yard crossing route right into a zone that had no chance of gaining more than a yard or two.

ETA: His YPA is actually surprisingly low given how high his completion percentage is (and how well Stanford runs the ball), and the only recent prospect that panned out that he compared to favorably in yards per completion was Matt Ryan.

 

[mquinnjr]

Blackmon is entering the draft!!!!!!!

Just saw that too. In my main $ dynasty league, keep 3 and can't keep rounds 1-3. I would definitely not hesitate, other things being equal, to spend a 4th on him and burn that 4th every year I get to keep him. Love the size advantage he brings, amongst speed and route running.

 

[J-Dawg]

Is anyone concerned that Luck will turn into a captain checkdown in the NFL? Tonight it seemed like he checked down a ton and only went downfield when someone was wide open because of the damage Stanford was doing on the ground. On 3rd and 13 in OT with a true freshman kicker who had just missed twice he went straight to the 1 yard crossing route right into a zone that had no chance of gaining more than a yard or two.ETA: His YPA is actually surprisingly low given how high his completion percentage is (and how well Stanford runs the ball), and the only recent prospect that panned out that he compared to favorably in yards per completion was Matt Ryan.

Luck doesn't have much to work with. His receivers suck so it almost forces him to checkdown more than usual. He's showed the ability to hit the deep throw when it's given to him. Give him a WR like Blackmon and he's thrive. When his biggest weapon was/is his TE's it limits what he's able to do down the field. Add to that the injury problems that plagued his go-to WR Chris Owusu and it complicates things even further. Tonight, Stanford went with an overly conservative style of offence which got worse when they lost Fleener but I think that is more of an indictment on the rest of the team instead of Luck. I wouldn't be worried about it.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Is anyone concerned that Luck will turn into a captain checkdown in the NFL? Tonight it seemed like he checked down a ton and only went downfield when someone was wide open because of the damage Stanford was doing on the ground. On 3rd and 13 in OT with a true freshman kicker who had just missed twice he went straight to the 1 yard crossing route right into a zone that had no chance of gaining more than a yard or two.ETA: His YPA is actually surprisingly low given how high his completion percentage is (and how well Stanford runs the ball), and the only recent prospect that panned out that he compared to favorably in yards per completion was Matt Ryan.

Not sure where you're getting your stats from, cause Luck's YPA is actually pretty damn good, particularly when you consider he's in a pro style offense and doesn't have particularly good WRs to throw to. Andrew Luck had a 8.50 YPA this year (his lowest ever), the past 2 years he had a YPA above 8.9. Matt Barkley had a 7.9 YPA this year despite having arguably the best WR combo in the country to throw to. And in Matt Ryan's 2 seasons where he started at BC his YPA was never even above 7.0, so Luck's numbers aren't even close to Ryan's.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

When you consider the crappy WRs Luck has, I'm even more impressed with him.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

http://www.fayettevilleflyer.com/2012/01/02/knile-davis-other-arkansas-underclassmen-weighing-2012-nfl-draft-options/

Good info in here fellas

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

http://www.fayettevilleflyer.com/2012/01/02/knile-davis-other-arkansas-underclassmen-weighing-2012-nfl-draft-options/Good info in here fellas

Thanks for posting this. I guess he figures one serious injury is enough and I feel if he thinks he's at least a 2nd rd pick he will declare. I personally think the scouts will return a 2nd or 3rd grade for him, only because of the injury.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

http://www.fayettevilleflyer.com/2012/01/02/knile-davis-other-arkansas-underclassmen-weighing-2012-nfl-draft-options/Good info in here fellas

Would he be the 2nd RB behind Richardson?

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

http://www.fayettevilleflyer.com/2012/01/02/knile-davis-other-arkansas-underclassmen-weighing-2012-nfl-draft-options/Good info in here fellas

Would he be the 2nd RB behind Richardson?

Pre-injury he was clear cut #2 in my rankings and could've challenged for #1.Now I don't think he beats out David Wilson/Lamar Miller, but he could put up some crazy numbers at the combine too.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I never thought Knile Davis would declare this year after that injury...if he did, that would be great for dynasty rookie drafters. This is turning into a great class.

Richardson just needs to stop playing games and declare.

Edit: Interesting that Tyler Wilson submitted paperwork to be evaluated. It would be a HUGE shock if he declared...but then, it was a huge shock that Gabbert did last year at his age (although a little less shocking once Luck had decided to stay).

 

[offdee]

Richardson just needs to stop playing games and declare.

Let him play his bowl game first. He's not going to let his announcement take away his team's focus on winning a national title.

 

[J-Dawg]

I would be extremely excited if Davis declared. He was the #2 guy in my rankings before the injury and hopefully without any games under his belt this year he'll be undervalued in rookie drafts in 2012. If I could get him in the second half of the 1st round in a rookie draft I'd take him and run. Davis is a great RB who's had the entire year to recover from the injury and should be good to go next year.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Sanu declares.

 

[J-Dawg]

Sanu declares.

Great news! Do you have a link? I thought he was going to stay at Rutgers for another season so this is a nice surprise. The 2012 class is starting to look really good.

 

[Concept Coop]

You called the guy lazy but again you have nothing. A picture(meh) and and a thread, going by this I would have passed on Cam last year.

The Jeffery hate is comical. He was the #1 or #2 WR of the class until the SI picture came out. Then, his QB play dropped, so his numbers did a bit too. But the guy is a football player. The Baldwin comparison makes no sense. They are almost the exact opposite player. Jeffrey's skill set matches Baldwin's physical tools - vice versa.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

You called the guy lazy but again you have nothing. A picture(meh) and and a thread, going by this I would have passed on Cam last year.

The Jeffery hate is comical. He was the #1 or #2 WR of the class until the SI picture came out. Then, his QB play dropped, so his numbers did a bit too. But the guy is a football player. The Baldwin comparison makes no sense. They are almost the exact opposite player. Jeffrey's skill set matches Baldwin's physical tools - vice versa.

How are they opposite players?Both big targetsBoth good at jump ballsBoth struggle with short area quicknessBoth struggle at YAC

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Richardson just needs to stop playing games and declare.

Let him play his bowl game first. He's not going to let his announcement take away his team's focus on winning a national title.

I know, you're right. I'm just a selfish dynasty owner in the middle of trading for the 1.01, and it makes me nervous as hell that its not definite yet haha.

 

[Concept Coop]

You called the guy lazy but again you have nothing. A picture(meh) and and a thread, going by this I would have passed on Cam last year.

The Jeffery hate is comical. He was the #1 or #2 WR of the class until the SI picture came out. Then, his QB play dropped, so his numbers did a bit too. But the guy is a football player. The Baldwin comparison makes no sense. They are almost the exact opposite player. Jeffrey's skill set matches Baldwin's physical tools - vice versa.

How are they opposite players?Both big targetsBoth good at jump ballsBoth struggle with short area quicknessBoth struggle at YAC

One got by on a world class body.One is being questioned for not having one.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

You called the guy lazy but again you have nothing. A picture(meh) and and a thread, going by this I would have passed on Cam last year.

The Jeffery hate is comical. He was the #1 or #2 WR of the class until the SI picture came out. Then, his QB play dropped, so his numbers did a bit too. But the guy is a football player. The Baldwin comparison makes no sense. They are almost the exact opposite player. Jeffrey's skill set matches Baldwin's physical tools - vice versa.

How are they opposite players?Both big targetsBoth good at jump ballsBoth struggle with short area quicknessBoth struggle at YAC

One got by on a world class body.One is being questioned for not having one.

But you mentioned skill set, that's the part I don't see and curious as to your opinion.

 

[Concept Coop]

You called the guy lazy but again you have nothing. A picture(meh) and and a thread, going by this I would have passed on Cam last year.

The Jeffery hate is comical. He was the #1 or #2 WR of the class until the SI picture came out. Then, his QB play dropped, so his numbers did a bit too. But the guy is a football player. The Baldwin comparison makes no sense. They are almost the exact opposite player. Jeffrey's skill set matches Baldwin's physical tools - vice versa.

How are they opposite players?Both big targetsBoth good at jump ballsBoth struggle with short area quicknessBoth struggle at YAC

One got by on a world class body.One is being questioned for not having one.

But you mentioned skill set, that's the part I don't see and curious as to your opinion.

Jeffrey is a completely different player. He gets by on his ability to play football. He has great hands, he is a great competitor, he is fluid - football comes natural to him. He is a fiery competitor - he is a great blocker and, while subjective, I would call him a winner. Baldwin is very fluid in the air and that is about it. He is much more mechanical than Jeffrey, in my opinion. Baldwin gave up at times at GT and I questioned his mental toughness. The NFL is quickly becoming a game of mismatches. Aaron Hernandez was a TE in name only, often this season; Gronkowski too. Jeffrey (Baldwin too, IMO) will create mismatches in the NFL. He is too big/strong/fluid to leave on an island with most NFL corners. The team that drafts him will take advantage of that. The guy put up 1,500 yards in the SEC. For reference, AJ Green never reached 1,000.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

You called the guy lazy but again you have nothing. A picture(meh) and and a thread, going by this I would have passed on Cam last year.

The Jeffery hate is comical. He was the #1 or #2 WR of the class until the SI picture came out. Then, his QB play dropped, so his numbers did a bit too. But the guy is a football player. The Baldwin comparison makes no sense. They are almost the exact opposite player. Jeffrey's skill set matches Baldwin's physical tools - vice versa.

How are they opposite players?Both big targetsBoth good at jump ballsBoth struggle with short area quicknessBoth struggle at YAC

One got by on a world class body.One is being questioned for not having one.

But you mentioned skill set, that's the part I don't see and curious as to your opinion.

Jeffrey is a completely different player. He gets by on his ability to play football. He has great hands, he is a great competitor, he is fluid - football comes natural to him. He is a fiery competitor - he is a great blocker and, while subjective, I would call him a winner. Baldwin is very fluid in the air and that is about it. He is much more mechanical than Jeffrey, in my opinion. Baldwin gave up at times at GT and I questioned his mental toughness. The NFL is quickly becoming a game of mismatches. Aaron Hernandez was a TE in name only, often this season; Gronkowski too. Jeffrey (Baldwin too, IMO) will create mismatches in the NFL. He is too big/strong/fluid to leave on an island with most NFL corners. The team that drafts him will take advantage of that. The guy put up 1,500 yards in the SEC. For reference, AJ Green never reached 1,000.

Thanks for your thoughts.Baldwin was at PITT by the way.I agree with the mismatches and these tall WR's present issues. You can also throw in Tommy Streeter(6'5) and Michael Egnew(6'6) to the discussion.

 

[Concept Coop]

Thanks for your thoughts.Baldwin was at PITT by the way.I agree with the mismatches and these tall WR's present issues. You can also throw in Tommy Streeter(6'5) and Michael Egnew(6'6) to the discussion.

Thanks.Baldwin gave up against Utah (Brandon Burton), who played GT this week. Had that on my mind, I suppose.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Thanks for your thoughts.Baldwin was at PITT by the way.I agree with the mismatches and these tall WR's present issues. You can also throw in Tommy Streeter(6'5) and Michael Egnew(6'6) to the discussion.

Thanks.Baldwin gave up against Utah (Brandon Burton), who played GT this week. Had that on my mind, I suppose.

I have Blackmon/Floyd/Criner all ahead of Jeffrey. Kendall Wright/Dwight Jones/Ryan Broyles are all in the same discussion as him for my rankings.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Starting to sour on Dwight Jones. I don't like body catchers.

 

[Concept Coop]

I have Blackmon/Floyd/Criner all ahead of Jeffrey. Kendall Wright/Dwight Jones/Ryan Broyles are all in the same discussion as him for my rankings.

That is reasonable. I think he has to be behind Floyd and Blackmon at this point, as they both project to be future #1 WRs. They are the only two that I comfortable saying that about, however. I will feel a lot better after the NFL draft when we see what NFL teams think. But, I would put Jeffrey at 3-4 right now, with Wright.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Sanu declares.

Great news! Do you have a link? I thought he was going to stay at Rutgers for another season so this is a nice surprise. The 2012 class is starting to look really good.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/post/_/id/28492/mohamed-sanu-declares-for-nfl-draft

 

[J-Dawg]

I rank Wright over Jeffery because I think he's more well rounded. I think Wright is a better route runner and is more explosive and obviously faster. Jeffery relies more on his size and lets the plays come to him while I think because of Wright's speed he creates plays. Jeffery has as much, if not more, talent than anybody else at the WR position in the draft but I still don't trust him and think he's also got the biggest chance of busting than anybody. He did a lot to raise his stock yesterday before he got ejected but it wouldn't be enough for me to vault him into the top 3. I think he definitely moved ahead of guys like Sanu and Jones just because his upside is so high and because he's probably one of the top 1 or 2 guys in the red zone but I'm still firmly locked into Blackmon, Floyd, Wright as the top three. One of my biggest fears with Jeffery is that he would put the work in leading up to the draft and deceive people with an improved look and better performances until he got paid and his possible natural tendancy to slack off would take over again heading into next season.

 

[J-Dawg]

Sanu declares.

Great news! Do you have a link? I thought he was going to stay at Rutgers for another season so this is a nice surprise. The 2012 class is starting to look really good.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/post/_/id/28492/mohamed-sanu-declares-for-nfl-draft

Awesome! Thanks. I really like Sanu. He could be another Percy Harvin jack-of-all trades guy.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I have Blackmon/Floyd/Criner all ahead of Jeffrey. Kendall Wright/Dwight Jones/Ryan Broyles are all in the same discussion as him for my rankings.

That is reasonable. I think he has to be behind Floyd and Blackmon at this point, as they both project to be future #1 WRs. They are the only two that I comfortable saying that about, however. I will feel a lot better after the NFL draft when we see what NFL teams think. But, I would put Jeffrey at 3-4 right now, with Wright.

I think the combine will help too. That's when you see a players REAL size. Plus measurables, which I count as broad jump, vertical, 3 cone, short shuttle as all more important than the 40 yard dash.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Sanu declares.

Great news! Do you have a link? I thought he was going to stay at Rutgers for another season so this is a nice surprise. The 2012 class is starting to look really good.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/post/_/id/28492/mohamed-sanu-declares-for-nfl-draft

Awesome! Thanks. I really like Sanu. He could be another Percy Harvin jack-of-all trades guy.

I thought I read Sanu was very inconsistent...

 

[gump]

Does Jeffrey remind anyone of BMW coming out of USC?

 

[coolnerd]

Does Jeffrey remind anyone of BMW coming out of USC?

yes. And I hope that the NFL and fantasy players are smarter than they were five or so years ago.

 

[Concept Coop]

Does Jeffrey remind anyone of BMW coming out of USC?

I actually think BMW was the better prospect - I remember thinking he was well worth a top 10 pick and think Jeffrey is a late 1st/early 2nd guy.But, I think the comparision is unfair, once we start using it to call Jeffrey lazy. They are two different indivduals - Alshon is either too fat and lazy for the NFL or he's not. It is easy to look at one picture and jump to conclusions, but not wise, in my opinion. And yes, all of this started with one picture. If NFL scouts tell Alshon he needs to cut weight, and he doesn't/can't, then I'll worry. If stories come about him being lazy in the weight room, I will worry. But the guys suits up every game day, wants to win, and doesn't seem lazy on the field. He is one of the better/willing blocking WRs and I don't see him take plays off.

 

[Concept Coop]

Does Jeffrey remind anyone of BMW coming out of USC?

yes. And I hope that the NFL and fantasy players are smarter than they were five or so years ago.

What, aside from the picture, makes you think Jeffrey is too lazy to make it in the NFL? That is what kept BMW from being a player.

 

[Max Power]

Sanu declares.

Great news! Do you have a link? I thought he was going to stay at Rutgers for another season so this is a nice surprise. The 2012 class is starting to look really good.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/post/_/id/28492/mohamed-sanu-declares-for-nfl-draft

Awesome! Thanks. I really like Sanu. He could be another Percy Harvin jack-of-all trades guy.

His stats make him look like a text-book possession WR. 10 yard average. In 115 recpetions this year, his long was 32 yards.

 

[Xue]

Alshon Jeffery, SC = Patrick Turner, USC

They have nearly idenitcal Reception/TD rates in college.

 

[todisco1]

Alshon Jeffery, SC = Patrick Turner, USCThey have nearly idenitcal Reception/TD rates in college.

Come on.

 

[Concept Coop]

Alshon Jeffery, SC = Patrick Turner, USCThey have nearly idenitcal Reception/TD rates in college.

Laughable .

 

[coolnerd]

Does Jeffrey remind anyone of BMW coming out of USC?

yes. And I hope that the NFL and fantasy players are smarter than they were five or so years ago.

What, aside from the picture, makes you think Jeffrey is too lazy to make it in the NFL? That is what kept BMW from being a player.

My biggest issue is that WRs are almost exclusively the most lean, physically built athletes on the field. A few years ago a couple of GMs (or ex-gm analyst) thought that BMW was a naturally big guy who would always have weight issues. Except for 2010, whoever was correct in terms of NFL impact. I am not as down as some of the people here, but jeffrey as a late 1st or early 2nd NFL draft type makes in terms of risk/reward sense.

 

[EBF]

Patrick Turner was always awful. Jeffery is a much better college player than him.

I watch a lot of Carolina's bowl game. Jeffery is big and strong with pretty decent receiving skills. He's not very quick though and he doesn't seem like a very smart guy. Character doesn't mean much for me, but it does mean something. I don't know if this guy will put in the work. I rate him a little bit below Baldwin. To me he's more of a 2nd round NFL pick than an obvious first round lock. For rookie draft purposes I certainly wouldn't use a top 6 pick on him. From an athletic standpoint I'd say Mike Williams (USC) is the best recent comparison.

As for Luck, he did everything possible to win that game last night. It's laughable to criticize his performance when he goes 27 of 31 for 340+ yards. As others have mentioned, Stanford's receivers are very spotty. Ty Montgomery is talented and fast, but a true freshman who's still learning on the job. The team's best deep threat, Chris Owusu, has been sidelined indefinitely by concussions. Griff Whalen is a decent college player, but very limited on deep routes because he lacks size and speed. Stanford has three very good TEs, but you don't generally count on your TEs to run deep routes (and Coby Fleener, the team's fastest TE, left the game with an injury). Basically, there are no legitimate downfield receiving threats on the team at the moment. Hence why the gameplan involved shorter passes. Luck executed it to perfection. He was on the money all night and he converted several clutch third downs.

Knile Davis...meh. I always felt he was overrated. He reminds me of McFadden. Tall slasher with a thin lower body and not much shake-and-bake. I think he has a chance to be productive in the NFL, but you won't see me jumping on that bandwagon.

 

[cstu]

Does Jeffrey remind anyone of BMW coming out of USC?

yes. And I hope that the NFL and fantasy players are smarter than they were five or so years ago.

What, aside from the picture, makes you think Jeffrey is too lazy to make it in the NFL? That is what kept BMW from being a player.

My biggest issue is that WRs are almost exclusively the most lean, physically built athletes on the field. A few years ago a couple of GMs (or ex-gm analyst) thought that BMW was a naturally big guy who would always have weight issues. Except for 2010, whoever was correct in terms of NFL impact. I am not as down as some of the people here, but jeffrey as a late 1st or early 2nd NFL draft type makes in terms of risk/reward sense.

#1Overweight WR's and the NFL simply do not go together.

 

[cstu]

Patrick Turner was always awful. Jeffery is a much better college player than him.

I watch a lot of Carolina's bowl game. Jeffery is big and strong with pretty decent receiving skills. He's not very quick though and he doesn't seem like a very smart guy. Character doesn't mean much for me, but it does mean something. I don't know if this guy will put in the work. I rate him a little bit below Baldwin. To me he's more of a 2nd round NFL pick than an obvious first round lock. For rookie draft purposes I certainly wouldn't use a top 6 pick on him. From an athletic standpoint I'd say Mike Williams (USC) is the best recent comparison.

As for Luck, he did everything possible to win that game last night. It's laughable to criticize his performance when he goes 27 of 31 for 340+ yards. As others have mentioned, Stanford's receivers are very spotty. Ty Montgomery is talented and fast, but a true freshman who's still learning on the job. The team's best deep threat, Chris Owusu, has been sidelined indefinitely by concussions. Griff Whalen is a decent college player, but very limited on deep routes because he lacks size and speed. Stanford has three very good TEs, but you don't generally count on your TEs to run deep routes (and Coby Fleener, the team's fastest TE, left the game with an injury). Basically, there are no legitimate downfield receiving threats on the team at the moment. Hence why the gameplan involved shorter passes. Luck executed it to perfection. He was on the money all night and he converted several clutch third downs.

Knile Davis...meh. I always felt he was overrated. He reminds me of McFadden. Tall slasher with a thin lower body and not much shake-and-bake. I think he has a chance to be productive in the NFL, but you won't see me jumping on that bandwagon.

What's up with the 4 passes he didn't complete?

 

[cstu]

Does Jeffrey remind anyone of BMW coming out of USC?

yes. And I hope that the NFL and fantasy players are smarter than they were five or so years ago.

What, aside from the picture, makes you think Jeffrey is too lazy to make it in the NFL? That is what kept BMW from being a player.

Being an overweight WR is a sign of laziness IMO. Not just WR's either - I wanted nothing to do with Jamarcus Russell when he took his shirt off at the combine.I was fan of BMW and overlooked his weight issues and his 40 time (4.6) but I'll be more careful about guys' weight in the future. Now if Jeffery commits himself, gets under 220 and run a 4.5 I'll be a little more positive about him.

 

[Rodeojones]

Per Evan Silva on twitter:

RT @BerniesCrew Per @Evan_Flood247, Montee Ball addressed his teammates and informed them that he would be back w/ #Badgers in 2012.

 

[cstu]

Per Evan Silva on twitter:

RT @BerniesCrew Per @Evan_Flood247, Montee Ball addressed his teammates and informed them that he would be back w/ #Badgers in 2012.

Given the competition at RB in this draft it makes sense but it's disappointing.

 

[EBF]

I'm starting to put together my rankings and right now it looks like Doug Martin will be my #2 RB. David Wilson, Lamar Miller, Bernard Pierce, and LaMichael James all do some things well, but none of them stands out to me as much as Martin, who has no obvious weaknesses. I wonder how high he'll go. Russ Lande has him as a late first rounder while Draft Scout has him on the border of the 2nd/3rd rounds. I'm guessing he'll end up somewhere in the middle of those two poles.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Ronnie Hillman RB San Diego State has just declared for the NFL Draft.

I wasn't sure if he was going to eligible or not because he was a late enroll, but apparently he is.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

I'm just getting started evaluating college players to see what picks I want to trade for. Doug Martin looks pretty good.

Here is another video that shows al of his plays in one game, good and bad:

 

[todisco1]

I'm just getting started evaluating college players to see what picks I want to trade for. Doug Martin looks pretty good.

Here is another video that shows al of his plays in one game, good and bad:

Great find there, nice work. I love how Martin fights for tough yards. Really warming to him.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I'm starting to put together my rankings and right now it looks like Doug Martin will be my #2 RB. David Wilson, Lamar Miller, Bernard Pierce, and LaMichael James all do some things well, but none of them stands out to me as much as Martin, who has no obvious weaknesses. I wonder how high he'll go. Russ Lande has him as a late first rounder while Draft Scout has him on the border of the 2nd/3rd rounds. I'm guessing he'll end up somewhere in the middle of those two poles.

I was impressed, he's moving up my rankings now.