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[Dynasty] 2023 NFL Draft Class (1 Viewer)

I've read plenty about how the 2023 draft class is going to be much better than the 2022 class - as someone who doesn't follow college in any great depth, can someone build on why and how? Are there a bunch of can't miss prospects? Is the number of players that people see as having fantasy relevance especially deep? Is it somewhere in between?

I guess I'm just trying to get an idea of distribution of where the strength is - let's say that there is a theoretical combined 22/23 rookie draft in 13 month's time once we know everyone's destination, but obviously we don't have knowledge of the 22 rookie pro season results. In the first round, we take Hall and how many others from 22? In the second/third?
The 2023 Draft is strong at the RB position, with players like Bijan Robinson, Jahmyr Gibbs, Zachary Evans, Sean Tucker, Zach Charbonnet, and Tank Bigsby, top potential at QB with Bryce Young and CJ Stroud, and an exciting first-round prospect at TE in Notre Dame's Michael Mayer. The WR class really hasn't really exhibited great depth yet, but Kayshon Boutte and Jaxon Smith-Njigba may be elite prospects.

EDIT TO ADD: A year can change things in a big way, but in terms of depth, the 2023 class has a chance to be special. If I were drafting a combined 2022/2023 class today, Hall, Walker, Wilson, London, Jameson and Burks would still probably be in the first round (non Superflex), but the RB strength of the 2023 class would push several the 2022 receivers down lower in the first round.

For fun:

1.01 Bijan Robinson RB/Texas (2023)
1.02 Breece Hall RB/Iowa State (2022)
1.03 Jahmyr Gibbs RB/Alabama (2023)
1.04 Kenneth Walker III RB/Michigan State (2022)
1.05 Kayshon Boutte WR/LSU (2023)
1.06 Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR/Ohio State (2023)
1.07 Zachary Evans RB/Ole Miss (2023)
1.08 Sean Tucker RB/Syracuse (2023)
1.09 Drake London WR/USC (2022)
1.10 Garrett Wilson WR/Ohio State (2022)
1.11 Jameson Williams WR/Alabama (2022)
1.12 Treylon Burks WR/Arkansas (2022)
For fun:

1.01 Bijan Robinson RB/Texas (2023)
1.02 Breece Hall RB/Iowa State (2022)
1.03 Jahmyr Gibbs RB/Alabama (2023)
1.04 Kenneth Walker III RB/Michigan State (2022)
1.05 Kayshon Boutte WR/LSU (2023)
1.06 Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR/Ohio State (2023)
1.07 Zachary Evans RB/Ole Miss (2023)
1.08 Sean Tucker RB/Syracuse (2023)
1.09 Drake London WR/USC (2022)
1.10 Garrett Wilson WR/Ohio State (2022)
1.11 Jameson Williams WR/Alabama (2022)
1.12 Treylon Burks WR/Arkansas (2022)

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I was looking for a plane crashing emoji but couldn't find it.
 
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Bijan Robinson, Jahmyr Gibbs Top 2023 Fantasy Football Rookie Rankings

Excerpt:

(age in parentheses)

  1. Bijon Robinson, RB, ATL (21)
  2. Jahmyr Gibbs, RB, DET (21)
  3. Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR, SEA (21)
  4. Jordan Addison, WR, MIN (21)
  5. Quentin Johnston, WR, LAC (21)
  6. Zay Flowers, WR, BAL (22)
  7. Anthony Richardson, QB, IND (20)
  8. Dalton Kincaid, TE, BUF (23)
  9. Bryce Young, QB, CAR (21)
  10. Devon Achane, RB, MIA (21)
  11. C.J. Stroud, QB, HOU (21)
  12. Zach Charbonnet, RB, SEA (22)
  13. Michael Mayer, TE, LV (21)
  14. Jonathan Mingo, WR, CAR (22)
  15. Marvin Mims, WR , DEN (21)
  16. Kendre Miller, RB, NO (20)
  17. Rashee Rice, WR, KC (22)
  18. Sam LaPorta, TE, DET (22)
  19. Roschon Johnson, RB, CHI (22)
  20. Jalin Hyatt, WR, NYG (21)
  21. Josh Downs, WR, IND (21)
  22. Tyjae Spears, RB, TEN (21)
  23. Jayden Reed, WR, GB (23)
  24. Cedric Tillman, WR, CLE (23)
  25. Tank Bigsby, RB, JAC (21)
  26. Luke Musgrave, TE, GB (22)
  27. Chase Brown, RB, CIN (23)
  28. Tank Dell, WR, HOU (23)
  29. Israel Abanikanda, RB, NYJ (20)
  30. Will Levis, QB, TEN (23)
 
I've read plenty about how the 2023 draft class is going to be much better than the 2022 class - as someone who doesn't follow college in any great depth, can someone build on why and how? Are there a bunch of can't miss prospects? Is the number of players that people see as having fantasy relevance especially deep? Is it somewhere in between?

I guess I'm just trying to get an idea of distribution of where the strength is - let's say that there is a theoretical combined 22/23 rookie draft in 13 month's time once we know everyone's destination, but obviously we don't have knowledge of the 22 rookie pro season results. In the first round, we take Hall and how many others from 22? In the second/third?
The 2023 Draft is strong at the RB position, with players like Bijan Robinson, Jahmyr Gibbs, Zachary Evans, Sean Tucker, Zach Charbonnet, and Tank Bigsby, top potential at QB with Bryce Young and CJ Stroud, and an exciting first-round prospect at TE in Notre Dame's Michael Mayer. The WR class really hasn't really exhibited great depth yet, but Kayshon Boutte and Jaxon Smith-Njigba may be elite prospects.

EDIT TO ADD: A year can change things in a big way, but in terms of depth, the 2023 class has a chance to be special. If I were drafting a combined 2022/2023 class today, Hall, Walker, Wilson, London, Jameson and Burks would still probably be in the first round (non Superflex), but the RB strength of the 2023 class would push several the 2022 receivers down lower in the first round.

For fun:

1.01 Bijan Robinson RB/Texas (2023)
1.02 Breece Hall RB/Iowa State (2022)
1.03 Jahmyr Gibbs RB/Alabama (2023)
1.04 Kenneth Walker III RB/Michigan State (2022)
1.05 Kayshon Boutte WR/LSU (2023)
1.06 Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR/Ohio State (2023)
1.07 Zachary Evans RB/Ole Miss (2023)
1.08 Sean Tucker RB/Syracuse (2023)
1.09 Drake London WR/USC (2022)
1.10 Garrett Wilson WR/Ohio State (2022)
1.11 Jameson Williams WR/Alabama (2022)
1.12 Treylon Burks WR/Arkansas (2022)
For fun:

1.01 Bijan Robinson RB/Texas (2023)
1.02 Breece Hall RB/Iowa State (2022)
1.03 Jahmyr Gibbs RB/Alabama (2023)
1.04 Kenneth Walker III RB/Michigan State (2022)
1.05 Kayshon Boutte WR/LSU (2023)
1.06 Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR/Ohio State (2023)
1.07 Zachary Evans RB/Ole Miss (2023)
1.08 Sean Tucker RB/Syracuse (2023)
1.09 Drake London WR/USC (2022)
1.10 Garrett Wilson WR/Ohio State (2022)
1.11 Jameson Williams WR/Alabama (2022)
1.12 Treylon Burks WR/Arkansas (2022)

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I was looking for a plane crashing emoji but couldn't find it.
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Oh, what a difference a year can make. Boutte, Evans and Tucker dropped way out of round one consideration. The "next class" always looks rosy from a distance.
 
Below are 1 QB consensus rankings, post as of 5/8 and pre as of 4/27. The average and standard deviations exclude minimum and maximum. For values >40, 41 is used. Count occurs when value is <40. Mostly derived from links on this thread (thx @Faust as always) and fantasy pros. ”Drop offs” after 6, 10, 13-14, 25.

Risers post draft: Mingo (+16), LaPorta (+11), Reed (+11), C. Brown (+11), Dell (+10), Rice (+9), Schoonmaker (+9)
Fallers post draft: Tucker (-14), Downs (-10), Boutte (-10), Evans (-9), Levis (-9), Abanikanda (-9), Hyatt (-8), Washington (-8)


prePostPre-PostPlayerPosTeamCountAvgSD
110Bijan RobinsonRBAtl211.000.00
321Jahmyr GibbsRBDet212.531.12
23-1Jaxon Smith-NjigbaWRSea212.950.62
440Jordan AddisonWRMin214.581.12
752Quentin JohnstonWRLAC215.421.07
56-1Zay FlowersWRBal215.840.76
972Anthony RichardsonQBInd218.843.83
1385Dalton KincaidTEBut219.322.56
69-3Zach CharbonnetRBSea2110.892.92
810-2Bryce YoungQBCar2111.113.40
12111C.J. StroudQBYou2113.473.78
17125Devon AchaneRBMia2113.474.14
16133Kendre MillerRBNO2113.743.60
15141Michael MayerTELV2115.954.16
311516Jonathan MingoWRCar2117.115.12
1116-5Tyjae SpearsRBTen2117.264.69
20173Marvin MimsWRDen2117.425.62
291811Sam LaportaTEDet2117.684.60
28199Rashee RiceWRKC2018.426.64
1020-10Josh DownsWRInd2119.634.61
322111Jayden ReedWRGB2020.794.83
1422-8Jalin HyattWRNYG2121.473.63
24231Roschon JohnsonRBChi1921.835.12
2324-1Tank BigsbyRBJac2022.636.15
1825-7Cedric TillmanWRCle2123.054.09
30264Luke MusgraveTEGB2128.475.24
382711Chase BrownRBCin1929.444.84
1928-9Zach EvansRBLAR1730.066.88
392910Nathaniel DellWRHou2030.165.25
2130-9Will LevisQBTen1930.375.65
2231-9Israel AbanikandaRBNYJ1930.563.94
41329Luke SchoonmakerTEDal1632.065.57
41338Michael WilsonWRAri1832.504.12
2634-8Darnell WashingtonTEPit1435.225.48
2535-10Kayshon BoutteWRNE1235.885.48
40364Eric GrayRBNYG1335.944.59
41374Tucker KraftTEGB1435.944.25
3338-5Hendon HookerQBDet1536.723.21
3639-3Tyler ScottWRChi1437.473.59
41401Evan HullRBInd1037.654.09
41410Deuce VaughnRBDal738.124.57
41410Puka NacuaWRLAR439.713.48
41410Brenton StrangeTEJac539.832.68
3541-6A.T. PerryWRNO539.882.64
41410Tre TuckerWRLV540.112.00
3741-4DeWayne McBrideRBMin540.121.69
2741-14Sean TuckerRBTB440.242.05
3441-7Xavier HutchinsonWRHou740.241.52
41410Charlie JonesWRCin440.241.92
 
Below are superflex consensus rankings, post as of 5/8 and pre as of 4/27. The average and standard deviations exclude minimum and maximum. For values >40, 41 is used. Count occurs when value is <40. Mostly derived from links on this thread (thx @Faust as always) and fantasy pros. “Drop offs” at 5, 9-10, 14, 25-26, 28, 30.

Risers: Mingo (+22), LaPorta (+16), Miller (+15), Reed (+15), Dell (+11), Wilson (+10)
Fallers: Tucker (-16), Washington (-12), McBride (-12), Downs (-11), Hooker (-10), Evans (-10), Abanikanda (-10)

prePostPre-PostPlayerPosTeamCountAvg
110Bijan RobinsonRBAtl191.18
422Anthony RichardsonQBInd192.21
330Bryce YoungQBCar193.32
24-2C.J. StroudQBHou193.82
651Jahmyr GibbsWRDet194.59
56-1Jaxon Smith-NjigbaWRSea196.00
770Jordan AddisonWRMin197.29
1082Quentin JohnstonWRLAC198.00
990Zay FlowersWRBal198.71
16106Dalton KincaidTEBuf1911.50
811-3Zach CharbonnetRBSea1913.15
1112-1Will LevisQBTen1913.24
17134Devon AchaneRBMia1913.97
291415Kendre MillerRBNO1915.18
15150Michael MayerTELV1916.59
381622Jonathan MingoWRCar1916.68
331716Sam LaPortaTEDet1917.76
20182Marvin MimsWRDen1918.79
28199Rashee RiceWRKC1919.15
352015Jayden ReedWRGB1920.50
1821-3Tyjae SpearsRBTen1920.94
1222-10Hendon HookerQBDet1822.26
1423-9Jalin HyattWRNYG1922.35
1324-11Josh DownsWRInd1922.50
2225-3Roschon JohnsonRBChi1823.00
2126-5Tank BigsbyRBJac1925.44
2627-1Cedric TillmanWRCle1927.06
30282Luke MusgraveTEGB1928.41
402911Nathaniel DellWRHou1930.35
31301Chase BrownRBCin1930.71
413110Michael WilsonWRAri1732.88
41329Luke SchoonmakerTEDal1633.06
2333-10Zach EvansRBLAR1333.91
2434-10Israel AbanikandaRBNYJ1635.00
3235-3Kayshon BoutteWRNE1137.00
37361Tyler ScottWRChi1137.12
41374Eric GrayRBNYG1237.59
41383Tucker KraftTEGB1338.00
2739-12Darnell WashingtonTEPit738.13
3440-6Evan HullRBInd1038.69
41410Charlie JonesWRCin839.18
41410Stetson BennettQBLAR639.38
2941-12DeWayne McBrideRBMin539.88
41410Brenton StrangeTEJac439.88
41410Jake HaenerQBNO739.88
41410Deuce VaughnRBDal5>40
2541-16Sean TuckerRBTB2>40
3641-5Xavier HutchinsonWRHou2>40
3941-2A.T. PerryWRNO2>40
 
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I like Kuntz. It's a long term play so you need the size to be able to hold him for awhile but his profile is nuts. He's Darnell Washington but more athletic which is crazy to say.
What is he, 6'8" 245? I suppose there is a reason all teams passed on him earlier, but yes, his athletic profile is off the charts. Why didn't Penn St. use him? Why aren't his overall stats better? His 2021 stats were respectable at Old Dominion, but even in just 5 games in 2022 he only caught 12 passes. I would have thought in 5 years of college he would have been more productive (85/836/7).
 
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I like Kuntz. It's a long term play so you need the size to be able to hold him for awhile but his profile is nuts. He's Darnell Washington but more athletic which is crazy to say.
What is he, 6'8" 245? I suppose there is a reason all teams passed on him earlier, but yes, his athletic profile is off the charts. Why didn't Penn St. use him? Why aren't his overall stats better? His 2021 stats were respectable at Old Dominion, but even in just 5 games in 2022 he only caught 12 passes.
Yeah he’s an absolute project and is likely a total zero. I am talking about taking him 5th round of a rookie draft. Last pick kind of guy.
All those players likely never even score an NFL TD yet alone are useful for fantasy but if I’m going to take a shot that late, I’ll take it on a guy with some upside.
 
Also he got hurt last year which is partly why his totals were so low. The year prior he caught 73 balls which is a crazy high number. Not sure why he didn’t get used at PSU. I assume he was very raw.
 
Also he got hurt last year which is partly why his totals were so low. The year prior he caught 73 balls which is a crazy high number. Not sure why he didn’t get used at PSU. I assume he was very raw.
.....thus the reason why he wasn't taken until the 7th round.
 
Also he got hurt last year which is partly why his totals were so low. The year prior he caught 73 balls which is a crazy high number. Not sure why he didn’t get used at PSU. I assume he was very raw.
.....thus the reason why he wasn't taken until the 7th round.
Absolutely. If you have some other gem I can take with pick 55 in a rookie draft, I’m happy to entertain it! We are dumpster diving at that point.
 
Also he got hurt last year which is partly why his totals were so low. The year prior he caught 73 balls which is a crazy high number. Not sure why he didn’t get used at PSU. I assume he was very raw.
.....thus the reason why he wasn't taken until the 7th round.
Absolutely. If you have some other gem I can take with pick 55 in a rookie draft, I’m happy to entertain it! We are dumpster diving at that point.
Trey Palmer is probably a better dart throw.
 
Also he got hurt last year which is partly why his totals were so low. The year prior he caught 73 balls which is a crazy high number. Not sure why he didn’t get used at PSU. I assume he was very raw.
.....thus the reason why he wasn't taken until the 7th round.
Absolutely. If you have some other gem I can take with pick 55 in a rookie draft, I’m happy to entertain it! We are dumpster diving at that point.
Trey Palmer is probably a better dart throw.
Yeah I would say he’s another end of draft guy I would take . You lose out on all the good jokes though.
 

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