[dynasty] Frank Gore (1 Viewer)

[humpback]

Frank Gore misses a few games every year because he's an RB, and that's what RBs do. He doesn't have anything degenerative or serious, RBs just tend to get dinged because it's the nature of the position. Gore's missed 5 games over the last 4 years, which is comparable to guys like DeAngelo (3 missed games in 2 years), and Peterson (2 missed games in 3 years). Even if you count his rookie year (where he was buried on the depth chart), Frank Gore has missed fewer games in his 5-year career (7) than Rashard Mendenhall has in his 2 year career (12, plus another game lost to suspension).The reason everyone is always playing the "injury prone" card on Gore is because he had major reconstructive surgeries on his knees (both of them, iirc) in college, and his draft stock plummeted as a result. Still, at this point, he's been running on those knees for 5 years without the slightest issue, so I think we've reached a point where it's safe to say that those surgeries went well.

I like Gore as well, but this isn't completely accurate IMO. First, there's no reason to discount him missing time in his rookie season- if anything, him being buried on the depth chart means it should have been less likely that he missed time, but it wasn't. Secondly, it's not necessarily the number of games missed why he's thought of as injury prone, it's the number of times he's been injured. AP missed 2 games in his career, which was due to one injury and it was 3 seasons ago. Gore has missed time in 3 consecutive seasons and 4 of 5. AP has also played in 3 post season games in the last two seasons. I don't think there is much of a question who has been more injury prone, and that is one of the reasons why he isn't considered in the same tier as guys like AP, CJ3, or MJD, who haven't had the same issues (yet).

 

[SSOG]

Frank Gore misses a few games every year because he's an RB, and that's what RBs do. He doesn't have anything degenerative or serious, RBs just tend to get dinged because it's the nature of the position. Gore's missed 5 games over the last 4 years, which is comparable to guys like DeAngelo (3 missed games in 2 years), and Peterson (2 missed games in 3 years). Even if you count his rookie year (where he was buried on the depth chart), Frank Gore has missed fewer games in his 5-year career (7) than Rashard Mendenhall has in his 2 year career (12, plus another game lost to suspension).

The reason everyone is always playing the "injury prone" card on Gore is because he had major reconstructive surgeries on his knees (both of them, iirc) in college, and his draft stock plummeted as a result. Still, at this point, he's been running on those knees for 5 years without the slightest issue, so I think we've reached a point where it's safe to say that those surgeries went well.

I like Gore as well, but this isn't completely accurate IMO. First, there's no reason to discount him missing time in his rookie season- if anything, him being buried on the depth chart means it should have been less likely that he missed time, but it wasn't. Secondly, it's not necessarily the number of games missed why he's thought of as injury prone, it's the number of times he's been injured. AP missed 2 games in his career, which was due to one injury and it was 3 seasons ago. Gore has missed time in 3 consecutive seasons and 4 of 5. AP has also played in 3 post season games in the last two seasons. I don't think there is much of a question who has been more injury prone, and that is one of the reasons why he isn't considered in the same tier as guys like AP, CJ3, or MJD, who haven't had the same issues (yet).

Yes, that's the conventional wisdom concerning RBs and injury risk. Of course, there's only one problem with conventional wisdom in this case; it's wrong.

 

[humpback]

Frank Gore misses a few games every year because he's an RB, and that's what RBs do. He doesn't have anything degenerative or serious, RBs just tend to get dinged because it's the nature of the position. Gore's missed 5 games over the last 4 years, which is comparable to guys like DeAngelo (3 missed games in 2 years), and Peterson (2 missed games in 3 years). Even if you count his rookie year (where he was buried on the depth chart), Frank Gore has missed fewer games in his 5-year career (7) than Rashard Mendenhall has in his 2 year career (12, plus another game lost to suspension).

The reason everyone is always playing the "injury prone" card on Gore is because he had major reconstructive surgeries on his knees (both of them, iirc) in college, and his draft stock plummeted as a result. Still, at this point, he's been running on those knees for 5 years without the slightest issue, so I think we've reached a point where it's safe to say that those surgeries went well.

I like Gore as well, but this isn't completely accurate IMO. First, there's no reason to discount him missing time in his rookie season- if anything, him being buried on the depth chart means it should have been less likely that he missed time, but it wasn't. Secondly, it's not necessarily the number of games missed why he's thought of as injury prone, it's the number of times he's been injured. AP missed 2 games in his career, which was due to one injury and it was 3 seasons ago. Gore has missed time in 3 consecutive seasons and 4 of 5. AP has also played in 3 post season games in the last two seasons. I don't think there is much of a question who has been more injury prone, and that is one of the reasons why he isn't considered in the same tier as guys like AP, CJ3, or MJD, who haven't had the same issues (yet).

Yes, that's the conventional wisdom concerning RBs and injury risk. Of course, there's only one problem with conventional wisdom in this case; it's wrong.

Are you sure you want this to be your argument? To begin with, the data is from the 80's and 90's, so it isn't exactly current. Secondly, it only compares players (let's just talk about RBs) games played one season vs. the following, with a second set that looks at the number of games played during the past 2 seasons and how many they played in during the following season. We're not talking about 1 or 2 seasons here, we're talking 4 out of 5, and again, I'm not just talking about number of games, I'm talking about number of times he's missed games in a season. So, I hope you'd agree we're not talking apples to apples here.That being said, the data actually supports my argument- it shows that the RBs who played a full 16 games one season do have a higher average number of games played the following season, as well as a higher % that play a full 16 games, than RBs who miss games. Same results when you go back 2 years. Maybe your point is that just because a RB plays a full season one year doesn't mean they will the next, which is obviously true. However, using this somewhat flawed data, they do have a better chance at doing so than a RB who has missed time.

That's my point- Gore has a better chance at missing some time than guys like AP and MJD, and I haven't heard any reason to believe otherwise. Doesn't mean it's going to happen, but it's about the odds here.

 

[GSWarriors]

i've sold Gore in 3 leagues. Not that i dont think he's done but i think he has reached his peak value-wise, maybe even #s-wise. He finished RB#5 last year in PPR leagues, and this is the perfect time to unload him for a young RB/WR you believe in.

I traded Gore for Jennings in one league, Gore for Beanie Wells package in another, and Gore package for 1.01 and 1.04 rookie picks.

 

[dickey moe]

If i were to trade him, it would be for a WR not a RB. Why downgrade at RB just to get younger? Much rather boost my WR core with a young proven WR. Be a much easier and imo lucrative trade to find a team with WRs who needs a RB.

I agree with this. In a keep 2 league (my other keeper options are Ray Rice and Calvin Johnson, and I'm not that high on Johnson), I'm looking to move Gore for Andre Johnson or Fitz, but that's it. Otherwise I'll keep Gore and ride out what should be great production over the next 2 to 3 seasons.

 

[dickey moe]

i've sold Gore in 3 leagues. Not that i dont think he's done but i think he has reached his peak value-wise, maybe even #s-wise. He finished RB#5 last year in PPR leagues, and this is the perfect time to unload him for a young RB/WR you believe in.I traded Gore for Jennings in one league

Wow. Why were you willing to move Gore for so little in return?

 

[massraider]

If i were to trade him, it would be for a WR not a RB. Why downgrade at RB just to get younger? Much rather boost my WR core with a young proven WR. Be a much easier and imo lucrative trade to find a team with WRs who needs a RB.

I agree with this. In a keep 2 league (my other keeper options are Ray Rice and Calvin Johnson, and I'm not that high on Johnson), I'm looking to move Gore for Andre Johnson or Fitz, but that's it. Otherwise I'll keep Gore and ride out what should be great production over the next 2 to 3 seasons.

2011 is the last year of his contract. And that last year includes a cap charge (if there is one) of more than 7 mill, with a 2 million roster bonus.It is not out of the realm of possibility that this is his last year in San Fran.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

If i were to trade him, it would be for a WR not a RB. Why downgrade at RB just to get younger? Much rather boost my WR core with a young proven WR. Be a much easier and imo lucrative trade to find a team with WRs who needs a RB.

I agree with this. In a keep 2 league (my other keeper options are Ray Rice and Calvin Johnson, and I'm not that high on Johnson), I'm looking to move Gore for Andre Johnson or Fitz, but that's it. Otherwise I'll keep Gore and ride out what should be great production over the next 2 to 3 seasons.

2011 is the last year of his contract. And that last year includes a cap charge (if there is one) of more than 7 mill, with a 2 million roster bonus.It is not out of the realm of possibility that this is his last year in San Fran.

Unless he suffers a serious injury or his play drops off a cliff, I don't see why the 49ers would cut him. If Darren Sproles is worth 7 million, then Gore should have no problem justifying that investment at his current level of play.

 

[massraider]

If i were to trade him, it would be for a WR not a RB. Why downgrade at RB just to get younger? Much rather boost my WR core with a young proven WR. Be a much easier and imo lucrative trade to find a team with WRs who needs a RB.

I agree with this. In a keep 2 league (my other keeper options are Ray Rice and Calvin Johnson, and I'm not that high on Johnson), I'm looking to move Gore for Andre Johnson or Fitz, but that's it. Otherwise I'll keep Gore and ride out what should be great production over the next 2 to 3 seasons.

2011 is the last year of his contract. And that last year includes a cap charge (if there is one) of more than 7 mill, with a 2 million roster bonus.It is not out of the realm of possibility that this is his last year in San Fran.

Unless he suffers a serious injury or his play drops off a cliff, I don't see why the 49ers would cut him. If Darren Sproles is worth 7 million, then Gore should have no problem justifying that investment at his current level of play.

Darren Sproles won't be worth 7 mill to the Chargers next year, I wager. Anytime a RB is around a certain age, and has a big cap number, you have to consider that the team will make a move. unlikely? Sure. Impossible? Not even close.

 

[derek19]

proven workhorse like Mendenhall

I guess he's proved it to someone....

What more do you want from a FIRST YEAR starter?242 carries for 1108, 4.6 ypc, 7 TD25 catches for 261Damn, I know I like to forward-think but this is a no brainer, fellas.

What do I want from a first year starter?312 carries1700yrds5.4 ypc8tdsThats what I want.

 

[John 14:6]

I have Gore in a keeper league and am thinking of moving him for Chris Johnson, but I'd also have to give up Mendenhall, Harvin, and 1.11 to do so (thread in assistant coach forum).

 

[broncofan13000]

i've sold Gore in 3 leagues. Not that i dont think he's done but i think he has reached his peak value-wise, maybe even #s-wise. He finished RB#5 last year in PPR leagues, and this is the perfect time to unload him for a young RB/WR you believe in.I traded Gore for Jennings in one league

Wow. Why were you willing to move Gore for so little in return?

Is that really that low? I've seen Jennings > Gore in alot of startups the last 2 years...

 

[JPeso]

i've sold Gore in 3 leagues. Not that i dont think he's done but i think he has reached his peak value-wise, maybe even #s-wise. He finished RB#5 last year in PPR leagues, and this is the perfect time to unload him for a young RB/WR you believe in.I traded Gore for Jennings in one league

Wow. Why were you willing to move Gore for so little in return?

Is that really that low? I've seen Jennings > Gore in alot of startups the last 2 years...

Yeah, in my fantasy circles there is no way you can get this straight up - it would have to be AT LEAST Gore/late 1st for Jennings.

 

[Grahamburn]

proven workhorse like Mendenhall

I guess he's proved it to someone....

What more do you want from a FIRST YEAR starter?242 carries for 1108, 4.6 ypc, 7 TD

25 catches for 261

Damn, I know I like to forward-think but this is a no brainer, fellas.

What do I want from a first year starter?312 carries

1700yrds

5.4 ypc

8tds

Thats what I want.

For those that glazed over it..

Those are Gore's stats in his FIRST YEAR starting. Add in 61 grabs, 485 more yards receiving, and another TD as the cherry on top.

I'm still baffled at the dynasty strategy of trading a stud for a younger player simply because he's younger. Frank Gore will be a top 5 running back for a couple more years and he'll likely have a somewhat productive season or two after that.

It doesn't make sense to trade him for a player like Mendenhall who might one day put up a season like that when you already have a player like Gore who you know can.

If you can get a Mendenhall type+ deal for Gore, or someone is willing to part with a top 5 dynasty WR then ok, but other than that there's no reason to trade a talent+situation 3-down RB stud like Gore.

 

[Grahamburn]

I have Gore in a keeper league and am thinking of moving him for Chris Johnson, but I'd also have to give up Mendenhall, Harvin, and 1.11 to do so (thread in assistant coach forum).

 

[John 14:6]

I have Gore in a keeper league and am thinking of moving him for Chris Johnson, but I'd also have to give up Mendenhall, Harvin, and 1.11 to do so (thread in assistant coach forum).

I know I'd be giving up more value, but in the end it might make my keepers better. You can check the link for details...

 

[FavreCo]

49ers OT Anthony Davis has struck up a friendship with fellow linemate and first-round pick Mike Iupati. "Mike's my boy," he said. "We hang out every night, go over our plays, talk about what the day was like." The two rookies went out to a sushi place last night, but Davis insisted that there are still fish left in the ocean.

Man if these 2 pan out, Frank has at least 2-3 great years coming.