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The Bears have a pretty good track record in the draft. You don't think that Forte being picked in the second and Smith lasting until the third says something about what kind of players they are? It's obvious the Bears at least had Forte marked as the better talent. I also see Forte as more of a bellcow type back; Smith's 400+ carry, Division II season aside.
What?? I say again what?What RB pick have they had that was good?
We're talking about since Angello was there as GM and he's brought in a TON of guys that were uber-talented; all throughout the draft.
Agreed, but not a single RB. Until proven otherwise color me skeptical about any RB drafted by the Bears.
I'll agree with you that they have had lesser success on the offensive side of the ball but they've also devoted far less of their draft picks there. Which is why you see such an imbalance between the offense and the defense. Berrian is an example of a later round player that they found that proved to be pretty good. Wolfe I think they actually drafted to be more of a special teams type guy otherwise I can't see why they would invest such a high pick on a guy that obviously won't ever be a +10 carry RB. The success rate on late round QB's is very low. Think Boller, Losman, Ramsey, et all. Grossman would at least be considered in a backup capacity in an ideal situation. Alas, he is the starter for a woefully undertalented offense. If there was one thing I would be wary of with Forte is that the Bears could have reached for him compared to the truth of their real draft board because there is such a need on the offensive side of the ball. Outside of that, the Bears were in the Super Bowl with essentially the same team they have now based on the strength of their defense, which was primarily built through the draft. I do not question their talent evaluation one bit and I really don't see how they could be experts at picking defensive talent and totally inept at offesnive talent. Better perhaps? Yes. But Angello and the scouting staff know football so I'll not call them inept at all.
I'll say this. I feel much better about the Bears' choice of Forte than the Lions' choice of Smith. Angello is the GM of a team that went to the Super Bowl recently. Millen is widely believed to be the village idiot of GM's in the NFL.
In PPR I'll be shocked if Jones puts up better numbers than Johnson. I just feel that Johnson will get a lot more touches and opportunities to score than Jones, who is stuck behind one of the best short yardage backs in the game. With the Cowboys taking Choice, I don't see a pathway to a starting job for Jones.Forte should be ranked higher than Jones and Johnson because he's got the skills and Benson should not be difficult to overcome. Smith is the hardest one to put a finger on - he has been practically handed a starting job but there some problems I have with him - so-so speed, not the ideal frame, and doesn't seem to have that "it" factor. To be honest, I don't know what to think, on one hand he's in a perfect situation and appears to have have the ability to be a good NFL back but on the other he just screams BUST to me. In PPR I have them Forte, Johnson, Smith and Jones.
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The last 3 RBs they drafted stink. It's pretty obvious they have no clue what they're doing when it comes to running backs. They just keep picking them hoping one of them pans out. Angello got rid of Jones because he wanted the all-pro-stud Benson to take over.
I think you have a chance...
As it turns out 1.7 is a good spot for a quality RB.Tier 1:Big 3Tier 2:JonesForteSmithJohnsonRiceIMO Rice has the most talent in tier 2, but the worst immediate situation. Remember this is dynasty, talent over situation.So you should be left with one of Jones, Forte, Smith, or Johnson, if you don't like the one that falls you can invest in the best talent- Rice.
No, the difference in where these two guys were drafted is less than a round apart (20 picks with only one RB between) and we arent talking about a top ten draftee. I'm not the only one who thinks Smith is a better prospect than Forte (regardless of where they landed). Detroit liked him enough to trade up to the very top of the 3rd to snag him. That's saying Smith is a second round prospect. Plenty of people reporting that Chicago reached for Forte. Chicago's track record when it comes to drafting offensive playmakers absolutely sucks. Only reason Forte was drafted first was because of Smith's "workout number". Smith is the better player on the field IMO.I think Smith can be the starter in Detroit for several years. Forte really doesnt appeal to me that way.
Curious to hear more about this.
Simple, they just aren't top calibre RBs, and so the teams they went to will replace them pretty soon, 2-3 seasons.
Why do you think they aren't top caliber RBs? Because they weren't ranked in the Top tier coming into the draft?
You are comparing apples and oranges.Portis was knocked because of his size, Gore because of his health. Smith and Forte just simple aren't top calibre RBs, they are better suited as backups than starters. Think Dominic Rhodes, Olandis Gary - they may get a 1,000 yard season even, but they won't be great RBs.Why do you think they aren't top caliber RBs? Because they weren't ranked in the Top tier coming into the draft?
What about guys like Gore, Portis, etc.
From what I've seen on tape Forte definately has the potential to be a top back in the NFL for a long time. I'm not so sure about Smith.
This could be people going with the "null vote" who want to see how the voting is going because they don't have an opinion either way but want to see which way people are viewing the situation.
I like Forte over all of these guys in either format.....and this was before Benson's troubles. If Rudi Johnson could produce big-time in the NFL, Forte certainly has way more ability than him......the only thing he will need is an assist from the Bears org to get some more help on offense.....which they will do in the next couple of seasons. So Forte is the clear choice to me, best of this bunch by far as he will likely be the only feature back of the lot. Smith will be replaced in less than 3 years. The others will be committee guys their entire careers.
