Dynasty: Next year's Rodgers/Kolb (1 Viewer)

[Boccioni]

A big part of dynasty is obviously finding tomorrow's stars today. So which current backup QBs are best positioned to emerge as fantasy relevant QBs in 2011 (a la Kolb and Rodgers from the last few years). A couple of possibilities may be Dennis Dixon (free agency) and Tavaris Jackson or Sage Rosenfels (Favre). Are there others that should leap ahead of them on a 2011 sleepers list?

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

I like Whitehurst especially how is so cheaply valued

 

[EBF]

My beef with Whitehurst is that he was an INT machine in college. If a QB has those problems at such a low level of competition then I think he's unlike to reverse his luck in the NFL where all of the defenses are bigger/faster/quicker.

If you look at Kolb and Rodgers, they were both high draft picks chosen to eventually replace an aging starter. There aren't a ton of guys who fit that mold because most of the quality QBs picked early in the draft are already starting for their teams.

The only guys who really meet the qualifications are:

Tim Tebow

Jimmy Clausen

Colt McCoy

Stephen McGee

McGee is the guy I like the most from a risk/reward standpoint because you can grab him off waivers in most leagues. He doesn't quite have the pedigree of a Rodgers or Kolb, but he was still a fairly high pick (4.01 in the 2009 draft). The fact that the Cowboys didn't make any effort to add a legitimate challenger this season suggests that they're content with McGee as their developmental guy. The prospect of him eventually throwing to Dez Bryant and Miles Austin is pretty compelling, although Romo is still only 30 years old.

McCoy and Clausen fit the mold pretty well, but they're both marginal pro prospects IMO. I've never been a Clausen fan and McCoy doesn't appear to have starting caliber physical tools. The rumor is that the Browns view him as more of a backup than a future franchise QB. Still, both of these guys could get an opportunity.

Tebow is more compelling to me because he's a better athlete than McCoy/Clausen and he was a higher draft pick than all of the guys on this list. Yea, he may end up being nothing more than a college gimmick who fails miserably at the pro level, but he's falling VERY far in rookie drafts for a guy who was a first round NFL draft pick. I got him at 3.07 in a 16 team league that scores 6 points per passing TD. That's just absurd. Whether he ultimately succeeds or not, you know he's eventually going to get an opportunity to start.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

My beef with Whitehurst is that he was an INT machine in college. If a QB has those problems at such a low level of competition then I think he's unlike to reverse his luck in the NFL where all of the defenses are bigger/faster/quicker.If you look at Kolb and Rodgers, they were both high draft picks chosen to eventually replace an aging starter. There aren't a ton of guys who fit that mold because most of the quality QBs picked early in the draft are already starting for their teams. The only guys who really meet the qualifications are:Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen Colt McCoy Stephen McGee McGee is the guy I like the most from a risk/reward standpoint because you can grab him off waivers in most leagues. He doesn't quite have the pedigree of a Rodgers or Kolb, but he was still a fairly high pick (4.01 in the 2009 draft). The fact that the Cowboys didn't make any effort to add a legitimate challenger this season suggests that they're content with McGee as their developmental guy. The prospect of him eventually throwing to Dez Bryant and Miles Austin is pretty compelling, although Romo is still only 30 years old. McCoy and Clausen fit the mold pretty well, but they're both marginal pro prospects IMO. I've never been a Clausen fan and McCoy doesn't appear to have starting caliber physical tools. The rumor is that the Browns view him as more of a backup than a future franchise QB. Still, both of these guys could get an opportunity.Tebow is more compelling to me because he's a better athlete than McCoy/Clausen and he was a higher draft pick than all of the guys on this list. Yea, he may end up being nothing more than a college gimmick who fails miserably at the pro level, but he's falling VERY far in rookie drafts for a guy who was a first round NFL draft pick. I got him at 3.07 in a 16 team league that scores 6 points per passing TD. That's just absurd. Whether he ultimately succeeds or not, you know he's eventually going to get an opportunity to start.

I agree on McGee. I liked him a lot at Tex A&M, but he will need to go elsewhere to get a shot. For this reason, he is tough to roster unless in the biggest of leagues. Kitna will likely get the start if Romo goes down.The three rookies are interesting. Tebow should have an advantage since it seems the other two were drafted because of value rather than with purpose. The Broncos are invested heavily with Tebow. When looking at situations, I like looking at what the team has invested to get an idea on their view of the player. They must love Tebow to give Baltimore a small ransom. While one could argue that it is not much, I think the 3rd and swap of 2nds, paired with the $8-10 million contract over two years, is quite the investment for an unproven player with the warts you mention. Seattle will give Whitehurst a shot, just like Denver with Tebow. They play behind lame duck starters and will start sooner than most realize.One name to throw out is Luke McCown with the sub par play of Garrard in Jax. Del Rio seems loyal to Garrard but McCown fits the mold. He is athletic could push Garrard.

 

[Go deep]

My beef with Whitehurst is that he was an INT machine in college. If a QB has those problems at such a low level of competition then I think he's unlike to reverse his luck in the NFL where all of the defenses are bigger/faster/quicker.If you look at Kolb and Rodgers, they were both high draft picks chosen to eventually replace an aging starter. There aren't a ton of guys who fit that mold because most of the quality QBs picked early in the draft are already starting for their teams. The only guys who really meet the qualifications are:Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen Colt McCoy Stephen McGee McGee is the guy I like the most from a risk/reward standpoint because you can grab him off waivers in most leagues. He doesn't quite have the pedigree of a Rodgers or Kolb, but he was still a fairly high pick (4.01 in the 2009 draft). The fact that the Cowboys didn't make any effort to add a legitimate challenger this season suggests that they're content with McGee as their developmental guy. The prospect of him eventually throwing to Dez Bryant and Miles Austin is pretty compelling, although Romo is still only 30 years old. McCoy and Clausen fit the mold pretty well, but they're both marginal pro prospects IMO. I've never been a Clausen fan and McCoy doesn't appear to have starting caliber physical tools. The rumor is that the Browns view him as more of a backup than a future franchise QB. Still, both of these guys could get an opportunity.Tebow is more compelling to me because he's a better athlete than McCoy/Clausen and he was a higher draft pick than all of the guys on this list. Yea, he may end up being nothing more than a college gimmick who fails miserably at the pro level, but he's falling VERY far in rookie drafts for a guy who was a first round NFL draft pick. I got him at 3.07 in a 16 team league that scores 6 points per passing TD. That's just absurd. Whether he ultimately succeeds or not, you know he's eventually going to get an opportunity to start.

Whitehurst was a 3rd round pick, thats not great pedigree, but its better than Mcgee. Not to mention what Seattle gave up to get him. He is in a great postition to start on a team that seems to have an up and coming offense. His name came to me instantly after reading the title of this thread. His pricetag is still really low right now as well. Youre also not going to have to wait around a few years to see if he is good enough to play in the NFL like the other guys you listed.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Another guy to consider is Nate Davis. Some thought he was an excellent prospect and he not only has little in front of him but he has potential two elite weapons in the passing game. Smith and Carr don't excite me, and Jarrett Brown might have just been a camp arm. It's tough to know what the 49ers really think of Davis, but I see a lot to like there (including a weak defensive division).

 

[alg]

No mention of Brian Brohm. He is actually closer to the OP then the ones mentioned, since he was drafted in the 2nd, and has not gotten a shot yet. He also has a coach (and OC) who has made the most of 2nd tier QBs.)

 

[nlgb1]

No mention of Brian Brohm. He is actually closer to the OP then the ones mentioned, since he was drafted in the 2nd, and has not gotten a shot yet. He also has a coach (and OC) who has made the most of 2nd tier QBs.)

brohm got cut from the green bay practice squad, even though the packers have some of the worst QB depth in the NFL. clearly the predraft hype about him was misguided, and i think thats the only thing keeping him afloat right now

 

[Go deep]

No mention of Brian Brohm. He is actually closer to the OP then the ones mentioned, since he was drafted in the 2nd, and has not gotten a shot yet. He also has a coach (and OC) who has made the most of 2nd tier QBs.)

brohm got cut from the green bay practice squad, even though the packers have some of the worst QB depth in the NFL. clearly the predraft hype about him was misguided, and i think thats the only thing keeping him afloat right now

The only reason he is on an NFL roster is because the Bills DO have the worst QB depth in the league, not to mention the worst starter.

 

[alg]

No mention of Brian Brohm. He is actually closer to the OP then the ones mentioned, since he was drafted in the 2nd, and has not gotten a shot yet. He also has a coach (and OC) who has made the most of 2nd tier QBs.)

brohm got cut from the green bay practice squad, even though the packers have some of the worst QB depth in the NFL. clearly the predraft hype about him was misguided, and i think thats the only thing keeping him afloat right now

The Packers did try to outbid the Bills to keep his services - which would have put him on their active roster. There may be more there than you think.

 

[Boccioni]

Thanks for all of these great responses. Another example of why this is hands down the best fantasy site on the web.

Can any SF fans who might be reading shed some light on Nate Davis's standing in the eyes of the coaching staff?

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

No mention of Brian Brohm. He is actually closer to the OP then the ones mentioned, since he was drafted in the 2nd, and has not gotten a shot yet. He also has a coach (and OC) who has made the most of 2nd tier QBs.)

brohm got cut from the green bay practice squad, even though the packers have some of the worst QB depth in the NFL. clearly the predraft hype about him was misguided, and i think thats the only thing keeping him afloat right now

The Packers did try to outbid the Bills to keep his services - which would have put him on their active roster. There may be more there than you think.

I am all for seeing what Gailey can do with Brohm, but I still remember the Packers releasing Brohm last September after he was outplayed (easily outplayed) by Matt Flynn. The Packers added both passers in 2008 and it was Flynn who was head and shoulders better than Brohm, even though he was such a longshot to become the backup to Rodgers. Once again, I think it is too early to completely give up on Brohm, especially after seeing what Gailey did with Thigpen in 2008.

 

[nlgb1]

No mention of Brian Brohm. He is actually closer to the OP then the ones mentioned, since he was drafted in the 2nd, and has not gotten a shot yet. He also has a coach (and OC) who has made the most of 2nd tier QBs.)

brohm got cut from the green bay practice squad, even though the packers have some of the worst QB depth in the NFL. clearly the predraft hype about him was misguided, and i think thats the only thing keeping him afloat right now

The Packers did try to outbid the Bills to keep his services - which would have put him on their active roster. There may be more there than you think.

well yea, they spent a 2nd rounder on the guy. the least they can do is put in a "bid"

 

[EBF]

Can any SF fans who might be reading shed some light on Nate Davis's standing in the eyes of the coaching staff?

Impossible to say. They went out and signed Carr in the offseason, a move that didn't generate many headlines but could ultimately be pretty significant. The general thinking is that Smith will get one last shot to prove that he can win at the NFL level. If he fails then I would expect to see Carr in the starting lineup by midseason. If Carr fails then you might see Davis. I doubt he will be given much of a shot in 2010 unless he plays absolutely lights out in practice. Maybe we'll see him in 2011 or maybe he'll be Troy Smith'd. Davis was a fairly low pick, so it will be difficult for the team to give him an opportunity unless he really wows them.

 

[EBF]

My beef with Whitehurst is that he was an INT machine in college. If a QB has those problems at such a low level of competition then I think he's unlike to reverse his luck in the NFL where all of the defenses are bigger/faster/quicker.If you look at Kolb and Rodgers, they were both high draft picks chosen to eventually replace an aging starter. There aren't a ton of guys who fit that mold because most of the quality QBs picked early in the draft are already starting for their teams. The only guys who really meet the qualifications are:Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen Colt McCoy Stephen McGee McGee is the guy I like the most from a risk/reward standpoint because you can grab him off waivers in most leagues. He doesn't quite have the pedigree of a Rodgers or Kolb, but he was still a fairly high pick (4.01 in the 2009 draft). The fact that the Cowboys didn't make any effort to add a legitimate challenger this season suggests that they're content with McGee as their developmental guy. The prospect of him eventually throwing to Dez Bryant and Miles Austin is pretty compelling, although Romo is still only 30 years old. McCoy and Clausen fit the mold pretty well, but they're both marginal pro prospects IMO. I've never been a Clausen fan and McCoy doesn't appear to have starting caliber physical tools. The rumor is that the Browns view him as more of a backup than a future franchise QB. Still, both of these guys could get an opportunity.Tebow is more compelling to me because he's a better athlete than McCoy/Clausen and he was a higher draft pick than all of the guys on this list. Yea, he may end up being nothing more than a college gimmick who fails miserably at the pro level, but he's falling VERY far in rookie drafts for a guy who was a first round NFL draft pick. I got him at 3.07 in a 16 team league that scores 6 points per passing TD. That's just absurd. Whether he ultimately succeeds or not, you know he's eventually going to get an opportunity to start.

Whitehurst was a 3rd round pick, thats not great pedigree, but its better than Mcgee. Not to mention what Seattle gave up to get him. He is in a great postition to start on a team that seems to have an up and coming offense. His name came to me instantly after reading the title of this thread. His pricetag is still really low right now as well. Youre also not going to have to wait around a few years to see if he is good enough to play in the NFL like the other guys you listed.

My beef with Whitehurst is that he has always been an underachiever. Rodgers and Kolb were stars in college. Whitehurst got a lot of hype, but he never produced the stats you would've expected. 17 INTs vs. 7 TDs as a junior. 10 INTs vs. 11 TDs as a senior. Not exactly earth-shattering stuff. I think he's closer to Derek Anderson than Aaron Rodgers, but I do agree that he could get a chance in Seattle.

 

[FUBAR]

Brady Quinn

 

[loose circuits]

I've heard that some in Buffalo are high on Levi Brown...not sure if he could crack the starting spot this season, but he's certainly in the mix.

 

[Lash]

use this pattern: roster cheap unknown backups on an elite offense - when the starter gets dinged you watch the backup and make a decision whether he will eventually be the next rodgers - hold or trade immediately

Romo 2006 [or was it 2007?] (hold)

Cassell 2008 (trade)

Kolb 2009 (hold)

???? 2010 (????)