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Dynasty & Redraft: WR Marqise 'albino tiger' Lee, Patriots (1 Viewer)

ROYALWITCHEESE said:
He's bigger, faster, and stronger than Wright though.

With Shorts already nursing a hammy (again), he's shaping up for double digit targets week one...
He's only 1.5" taller, 1 lb heavier. He ran a 4.52 at the Combine. Wright ran a 4.62 at the Combine, but high 4.4's at his Pro day. Both guys aren't really deep threats and are or will be doing their damage in the short and intermediate game.
Hmm. I have to disagree. Lee showed the ability to do everything in college, while Wright was doing similar things to what he does now.Lee has been lauded as a potential #1 WR by many experts. I've never seen one say that about Wright.
Define "everything". If Lee is expected to do everything, then why is he being used as and being talked about being used as a slot/space type of WR?
He's being used as a starting receiver on the outside in 2 WR formations, and as the slot WR when they go to 3 WRs. That is very different than what you wrote.
He's played 71% in the slot and is catching the ball 5.6 yards beyond the LOS. That is exactly what I described.
Those numbers are from 8 preseason targets.

One of those receptions was a 57 yard TD (14 yards longer than the longest of Wright's 158 NFL receptions), and 2 of the 8 receptions were TDs (Wright has 6 total in the NFL).

If we're going to treat those numbers like they're meaningful, then one can easily say the picture they're painting is of a Kendall Wright player whose current fantasy limitations (lack of big plays and TD production) appear to be much less concerning.

 
ROYALWITCHEESE said:
He's bigger, faster, and stronger than Wright though.

With Shorts already nursing a hammy (again), he's shaping up for double digit targets week one...
He's only 1.5" taller, 1 lb heavier. He ran a 4.52 at the Combine. Wright ran a 4.62 at the Combine, but high 4.4's at his Pro day. Both guys aren't really deep threats and are or will be doing their damage in the short and intermediate game.
Hmm. I have to disagree. Lee showed the ability to do everything in college, while Wright was doing similar things to what he does now.Lee has been lauded as a potential #1 WR by many experts. I've never seen one say that about Wright.
Define "everything". If Lee is expected to do everything, then why is he being used as and being talked about being used as a slot/space type of WR?
Everything a true #1 is supposed to do. Deep routes, short routes, fades, screens, slants, outs, reverses, crossing routes. Heck he can even return kicks if need be. Watch a highlight film of his, and you will see all of this and more.
 
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ROYALWITCHEESE said:
He's bigger, faster, and stronger than Wright though.

With Shorts already nursing a hammy (again), he's shaping up for double digit targets week one...
He's only 1.5" taller, 1 lb heavier. He ran a 4.52 at the Combine. Wright ran a 4.62 at the Combine, but high 4.4's at his Pro day. Both guys aren't really deep threats and are or will be doing their damage in the short and intermediate game.
Hmm. I have to disagree. Lee showed the ability to do everything in college, while Wright was doing similar things to what he does now.Lee has been lauded as a potential #1 WR by many experts. I've never seen one say that about Wright.
Define "everything". If Lee is expected to do everything, then why is he being used as and being talked about being used as a slot/space type of WR?
He's being used as a starting receiver on the outside in 2 WR formations, and as the slot WR when they go to 3 WRs. That is very different than what you wrote.
He's played 71% in the slot and is catching the ball 5.6 yards beyond the LOS. That is exactly what I described.
Those numbers are from 8 preseason targets. One of those receptions was a 57 yard TD (14 yards longer than the longest of Wright's 158 NFL receptions), and 2 of the 8 receptions were TDs (Wright has 6 total in the NFL).

If we're going to treat those numbers like they're meaningful, then one can easily say the picture they're painting is of a Kendall Wright player whose current fantasy limitations (lack of big plays and TD production) appear to be much less concerning.
8 targets but 62 pass routes though for a target rate of 12.9%.

Allen Hurns was 20/80 = 25%.

If Lee is going to be a #1 receiver, why isn't he being used like one?

Lee might be a "starter on the outside" but the Jaguars will run plenty of 3-WR sets as evidenced by his overly high usage in the slot in the preseason. Both his TDs were from the slot. And he wasn't that open on the 57-yard TD. Give some credit to Bortles for putting up a perfect throw, flat-footed and in the face of pressure.

 
ROYALWITCHEESE said:
He's bigger, faster, and stronger than Wright though.

With Shorts already nursing a hammy (again), he's shaping up for double digit targets week one...
He's only 1.5" taller, 1 lb heavier. He ran a 4.52 at the Combine. Wright ran a 4.62 at the Combine, but high 4.4's at his Pro day. Both guys aren't really deep threats and are or will be doing their damage in the short and intermediate game.
Hmm. I have to disagree. Lee showed the ability to do everything in college, while Wright was doing similar things to what he does now.Lee has been lauded as a potential #1 WR by many experts. I've never seen one say that about Wright.
Define "everything". If Lee is expected to do everything, then why is he being used as and being talked about being used as a slot/space type of WR?
He's being used as a starting receiver on the outside in 2 WR formations, and as the slot WR when they go to 3 WRs. That is very different than what you wrote.
He's played 71% in the slot and is catching the ball 5.6 yards beyond the LOS. That is exactly what I described.
Those numbers are from 8 preseason targets. One of those receptions was a 57 yard TD (14 yards longer than the longest of Wright's 158 NFL receptions), and 2 of the 8 receptions were TDs (Wright has 6 total in the NFL).

If we're going to treat those numbers like they're meaningful, then one can easily say the picture they're painting is of a Kendall Wright player whose current fantasy limitations (lack of big plays and TD production) appear to be much less concerning.
8 targets but 62 pass routes though for a target rate of 12.9%.

Allen Hurns was 20/80 = 25%.

If Lee is going to be a #1 receiver, why isn't he being used like one?

Lee might be a "starter on the outside" but the Jaguars will run plenty of 3-WR sets as evidenced by his overly high usage in the slot in the preseason. Both his TDs were from the slot. And he wasn't that open on the 57-yard TD. Give some credit to Bortles for putting up a perfect throw, flat-footed and in the face of pressure.
The number of receivers who step into a "#1 role" their rookie year is vanishingly small. Is it really necessary to explain why a technically raw rookie WR who missed a decent chunk of the preseason with an injury might grow into a different/bigger role than what we've observed in his first 62 preseason routes? Or why he might temporarily take a proverbial backseat to a guy who was healthy all preseason and who played in that OC's system in college?

Robinson will probably be running #4 behind Hurns later today, and maybe for a few weeks after that even. It's relatively meaningless as far as the big picture goes, as I'm sure you would agree that Robinson has a pretty good shot at being the #1 receiver in that offense a few years down the road. You probably also don't expect Hurns to have a better fantasy season/career than Lee (in spite of the numbers you posted above), but I don't know that for sure and I don't want to put words in your mouth.

Regardless of how Robinson develops, I don't see any reason to believe that Lee can't develop into a top 15ish fantasy WR as long as Bortles doesn't faceplant. He's athletic/sudden enough to create separation and/or get deep even with imperfect technique. He has obvious RAC ability, though his judgement could use some work. He competes hard, and is a willing blocker. His hand technique needs to be addressed, and his routes can be sharpened, but I don't see either one of those as a fatal flaw.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but you seem stuck on him topping out as a WR 2/3 fantasy tweener. I think his ceiling is higher than that. Not top 5 high, but top 15 isn't out of the question. We can agree to disagree there, as I respect the work that you put into breaking down these players.

I just think you're undermining the value of your own arguments when you use relatively flimsy supporting evidence to justify your position on how a prospect will transition to the NFL. You put a lot of work into forming those opinions, and we all know it. There's no need to prop them up and defend them with relatively meaningless numbers when others disagree. You've planted your flag, and time will tell the tale.

 
ROYALWITCHEESE said:
He's bigger, faster, and stronger than Wright though.

With Shorts already nursing a hammy (again), he's shaping up for double digit targets week one...
He's only 1.5" taller, 1 lb heavier. He ran a 4.52 at the Combine. Wright ran a 4.62 at the Combine, but high 4.4's at his Pro day. Both guys aren't really deep threats and are or will be doing their damage in the short and intermediate game.
Hmm. I have to disagree. Lee showed the ability to do everything in college, while Wright was doing similar things to what he does now.Lee has been lauded as a potential #1 WR by many experts. I've never seen one say that about Wright.
Define "everything". If Lee is expected to do everything, then why is he being used as and being talked about being used as a slot/space type of WR?
He's being used as a starting receiver on the outside in 2 WR formations, and as the slot WR when they go to 3 WRs. That is very different than what you wrote.
He's played 71% in the slot and is catching the ball 5.6 yards beyond the LOS. That is exactly what I described.
Slot receiver, as you likely know, implies someone who doesn't play as a 3-down, starting WR. Much like Jennings when he was in Green Bay, Lee is listed as a starting WR - so he will start and play outside in 2 WR sets - and he currently moves into the slot when 3 WRs are on the field.That is a very different reality than what some might otherwise have taken from your either deliberately confusing, or instead poorly articulated, statement at he is a slot receiver.

 
You guys are offering great responses to Xue but it should be well known by now he can't offer an objective thought on Lee at all. He's been twisting the agenda on Lee for over a year. Just ignore him on this one.

 
rickyg said:
Awful quiet in this kid lately. He has looked better in the preseason and is locked and loaded as a starting wr.

What's more juicy about his immediate prospects, Cecil shorts is now OUT tomorrow. They are playing Philly. You think there might be some garbage time stats playing catch up all game? I do.

He's a free agent on my wire and I can pick him up rt now. Just trying to decide BW dropping jake locker or Brian quick for him.

But I think he deserves to be added today. EVEN if you just stash him on your bench. If he blows up tomorrow vs philly he will be a hot waiver wire add and who knows he could be this years Keenan Allen. Especially when bortles takes over.
added? He should have been drafted.I took him in the 12th as my wr5. I am not starting him today but I think he may have a nice today especially with shorts out in PPR leagues.

 
ROYALWITCHEESE said:
He's bigger, faster, and stronger than Wright though.

With Shorts already nursing a hammy (again), he's shaping up for double digit targets week one...
He's only 1.5" taller, 1 lb heavier. He ran a 4.52 at the Combine. Wright ran a 4.62 at the Combine, but high 4.4's at his Pro day. Both guys aren't really deep threats and are or will be doing their damage in the short and intermediate game.
Hmm. I have to disagree. Lee showed the ability to do everything in college, while Wright was doing similar things to what he does now.Lee has been lauded as a potential #1 WR by many experts. I've never seen one say that about Wright.
Define "everything". If Lee is expected to do everything, then why is he being used as and being talked about being used as a slot/space type of WR?
He's being used as a starting receiver on the outside in 2 WR formations, and as the slot WR when they go to 3 WRs. That is very different than what you wrote.
He's played 71% in the slot and is catching the ball 5.6 yards beyond the LOS. That is exactly what I described.
Slot receiver, as you likely know, implies someone who doesn't play as a 3-down, starting WR. Much like Jennings when he was in Green Bay, Lee is listed as a starting WR - so he will start and play outside in 2 WR sets - and he currently moves into the slot when 3 WRs are on the field.That is a very different reality than what some might otherwise have taken from your either deliberately confusing, or instead poorly articulated, statement at he is a slot receiver.
Greg Jennings could play outside better than what I've seen from Lee. Jennings did play a good amount in the slot, but Donald Driver was the primary slot guy during Jennings' time there.

For a supposed outside WR, he played an awful lot in the slot. If you wanted your young WR to learn to play outside, wouldn't you have kept him outside more often regardless of formation?

My statement was not poor. I described exactly how Lee has been used and quoted PFF data. Perhaps your threshold on what you consider to be a slot receiver is higher than mine. 71% is a huge number.

Whether you consider him a "slot" guy or not isn't really the issue. I'd be more focused on the length of his targets.

 
You guys are offering great responses to Xue but it should be well known by now he can't offer an objective thought on Lee at all. He's been twisting the agenda on Lee for over a year. Just ignore him on this one.
I'm quoting numbers. How can that not be objective? What is everyone else doing?The biggest Marqise Lee supporter has cooled a lot on Lee. He has come to his senses. I guess some people never learn.

P.S. I'm being about as objective as you are regarding Crowell. Please stop being a hypocrite and stop slandering me as well.

 
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In Week 1, Lee played 75.6% in the slot. The other 3 WRs played 20% or less in the slot.

His aDOT was 8.3.

Feel free to twist these numbers into something else.

 
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Hurns was the play in week 1, but lee still did well for his first game as a rookie.

Everyone will run to the wire to grab hurns. If you can't get him quietly grab lee and hold for a while. This kid has special talent (there is a reason he was a high draft pick and hurns wasn't). Talent will always rise to the top.

 
Ps playing in the slot does not necessarily limit your upside. Look at wrs welker.
An aDOT of 8.3 will as well as not playing on a pass-heavy offense.
We shall see....only time will tell. I'm not one to go back and forth bc none of us really know how this will play out. For me, I've rostered lee in dynasty and in my redraft and he is a hold. I am higher than a lot of others on the prospects for the jags offense this year and beyond. Henne isn't bad and if he falters bortles will come in and these wrs will be fed the ball. The Jags defense (or there run game) simply isn't good enough for them to be a ground and pound, ball control type of offense so they will have to throw it imo.

 
Per PFF data, Lee played in the slot on 79.3% of his routes, aDOT of 3.0.

I just don't see his usage changing much because it's in line with his skill set. And there shouldn't be an excuse of the QB not being able to get him the ball. Robinson and Hurns were fine with Henne. He's going to be very volume dependent with a low overall YPR.

 
Per PFF data, Lee played in the slot on 79.3% of his routes, aDOT of 3.0.

I just don't see his usage changing much because it's in line with his skill set. And there shouldn't be an excuse of the QB not being able to get him the ball. Robinson and Hurns were fine with Henne. He's going to be very volume dependent with a low overall YPR.
What % of the offensive plays was he on the field for? I care more about him being out on the field A LOT than I do about his usage. That said, if he rarely if ever plays as an outside receiver, that definitely limits his upside.

Thanks for sharing the data. It is helpful.

BTW - what % of the time does Marques Colston line up in the slot? Just curious.

 
Rotoworld:

Coach Gus Bradley expressed frustration with Marqise Lee and the Jaguars' young receivers.

Bradley said the whole receivers unit had "far too many" mental errors against the Redskins in Week 2. "Are we asking too much. Is there too much in the game plan?" Bradley said. "Were all in the NFL now. The demands we place on them, they have to be able to handle that." Bradley later singled out Lee as a player who needs to execute his assignment better. Allen Robinson missed the entire preseason. UDFA Allen Hurns knows the offense like the back of his hand. Once Cecil Shorts is healthy, we'd imagine he and Hurns are the starters.

Source: Florida Times Union

Sep 17 - 10:07 AM
 
Rotoworld:

Coach Gus Bradley expressed frustration with Marqise Lee and the Jaguars' young receivers.

Bradley said the whole receivers unit had "far too many" mental errors against the Redskins in Week 2. "Are we asking too much. Is there too much in the game plan?" Bradley said. "Were all in the NFL now. The demands we place on them, they have to be able to handle that." Bradley later singled out Lee as a player who needs to execute his assignment better. Allen Robinson missed the entire preseason. UDFA Allen Hurns knows the offense like the back of his hand. Once Cecil Shorts is healthy, we'd imagine he and Hurns are the starters.

Source: Florida Times Union

Sep 17 - 10:07 AM
This is the opposite of encouraging.

 
Rotoworld:

Marqise Lee (hamstring) was limited in Wednesday's practice.

Lee re-tweaked his hamstring on Wednesday after battling the soft-tissue issue last week. It's becoming a concern. Fortunately for the Jaguars, Cecil Shorts (hamstring) returned to practice Wednesday. Already behind Allen Hurns on the depth chart, Lee is in danger of being passed by Allen Robinson.

Source: Mark Long on Twitter

Sep 17 - 3:37 PM
 
Rotoworld:

Marqise Lee - WR - Jaguars

Marqise Lee (hamstring) is expected to miss Week 4.

He'll be "evaluated through the week." It's the wrong time for Lee to be hurt, as the Jags have finally given the car keys to Blake Bortles. Depending on how things shake out during his absence, there's a real chance Lee will be returning to the fourth spot on the depth chart behind Cecil Shorts, Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns whenever he gets healthy.

Source: John Oehser on Twitter

Sep 22 - 1:49 PM
 
I try not to over-react to the first few games of the season, especially in a player's first year. I make an exception in this case, coming to fully regret taking Lee over Robinson. I'm trying to trade Lee for anything I can get, but nobody will bite. :topcat:

 
I try not to over-react to the first few games of the season, especially in a player's first year. I make an exception in this case, coming to fully regret taking Lee over Robinson. I'm trying to trade Lee for anything I can get, but nobody will bite. :topcat:
You talking dynasty or redraft? I would hold in dynasty rather than take just anything. I just traded Ahmad Bradshaw and a late 2 for Lee in my dynasty. I thought it was a great buy low opportunity and I had extra RBs. Lee is only 21yrs old and learning the slot is pretty tough. Once he gets it and Bortles gets a year or so under his belt, I have a feeling his value will be much better.

I can understand if you want to move on from him instead of waiting. But at least hold out for something decent.

 
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I try not to over-react to the first few games of the season, especially in a player's first year. I make an exception in this case, coming to fully regret taking Lee over Robinson. I'm trying to trade Lee for anything I can get, but nobody will bite. :topcat:
You talking dynasty or redraft? I would hold in dynasty rather than take just anything. I just traded Ahmad Bradshaw and a late 2 for Lee in my dynasty. I thought it was a great buy low opportunity and I had extra RBs. Lee is only 21yrs old and learning the slot is pretty tough. Once he gets it and Bortles gets a year or so under his belt, I have a feeling his value will be much better. I can understand if you want to move on from him instead of waiting. But at least hold out for something decent.
Lee is actually 23 this year. Robinson is 21.

 
You talking dynasty or redraft? I would hold in dynasty rather than take just anything. I just traded Ahmad Bradshaw and a late 2 for Lee in my dynasty. I thought it was a great buy low opportunity and I had extra RBs. Lee is only 21yrs old and learning the slot is pretty tough. Once he gets it and Bortles gets a year or so under his belt, I have a feeling his value will be much better.

I can understand if you want to move on from him instead of waiting. But at least hold out for something decent.
I'm getting out while I still can, except if I don't get a decent trading partner which would force me to hold him.

Credit to Xue on this one.

 
I try not to over-react to the first few games of the season, especially in a player's first year. I make an exception in this case, coming to fully regret taking Lee over Robinson. I'm trying to trade Lee for anything I can get, but nobody will bite. :topcat:
You talking dynasty or redraft? I would hold in dynasty rather than take just anything. I just traded Ahmad Bradshaw and a late 2 for Lee in my dynasty. I thought it was a great buy low opportunity and I had extra RBs. Lee is only 21yrs old and learning the slot is pretty tough. Once he gets it and Bortles gets a year or so under his belt, I have a feeling his value will be much better. I can understand if you want to move on from him instead of waiting. But at least hold out for something decent.
Lee is actually 23 this year. Robinson is 21.
Good point. I think I just guessed at his age. Regardless, he's a kid and may need more time to develop than other rookies. I just wouldn't dump him for 1/2 the value you just paid in the rookie draft. At least give him a year or find someone who is willing to pay near full price

 
Rotoworld:

Marqise Lee (hamstring) returned to practice Wednesday, getting in a limited session.

Lee ran on Monday and apparently experienced no setbacks. If he can play this week, Lee will likely be the No. 3 receiver behind Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns. The coaching staff has voiced concerns over Lee's ability to pick up the offense. OC Jedd Fisch said Lee needs to "expedite his learning process."

Source: Hays Carlyon on Twitter

Oct 8 - 1:10 PM
 
Rotoworld:

Marqise Lee (hamstring) was upgraded to "full" in Thursday's practice.

All of a sudden, it looks like the Jaguars might have a full deck at receiver, as Lee and Cecil Shorts (hamstring) are on pace to rejoin Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns. There's a strong chance Lee will be No. 4 on the depth chart, leaving him off the radar in re-draft leagues for the time being.

Oct 9 - 6:49 PM
 
You guys are offering great responses to Xue but it should be well known by now he can't offer an objective thought on Lee at all. He's been twisting the agenda on Lee for over a year. Just ignore him on this one.
Any current objective thoughts on Lee?

 
Rotoworld:

Jaguars OC Jedd Fisch suggested that Marqise Lee's offensive role will grow.

"Marqise didnt have much [snaps], his practice time was cut short so I dont think you throw him in there," Fisch said after Lee played just 16 snaps in Week 6. We'll chalk it up to Lee returning from a three-week-long absence thanks to a hamstring injury. He played behind Cecil Shorts, Allen Robinson, and Allen Hurns, but eventually should pass Hurns. Ace Sanders is the No. 5 receiver.

Source: Florida Times Union

Oct 17 - 10:07 AM
 
Rotoworld:

Marqise Lee caught a 20-yard pass and gained five yards on two rushing attempts in the Jaguars' Week 7 win over Cleveland.

Lee picked up five yards on an early-game jet sweep, but was stuffed on his other rushing attempt. He split time as a sub-package receiver with Allen Hurns, who finished with one catch for seven yards. Lee remains a Dynasty hold, but he isn't worth owning in 14-team re-draft leagues. He'd need a Cecil Shorts or Allen Robinson injury to be a true 2014 fantasy factor.

Oct 19 - 5:10 PM
 
Rotoworld:

Marqise Lee - WR - Jaguars

Marqise Lee's role on offense will expand following Allen Robinson's season-ending foot injury.

Lee had been the Jaguars' distant No. 4 receiver in recent weeks, as he's battled hamstring and ankle injuries, playbook concerns, and fallen behind Allen Hurns. The 39th overall pick in May's draft has just 13 catches for 141 scoreless yards. Lee should play in all three-wide sets down the stretch.

Source: FOX Sports Florida

Nov 12 - 9:00 AM
 
Rotoworld:

Marqise Lee caught three passes for 52 yards in the Jaguars' Week 12 loss to the Colts.

Lee and Denard Robinson each had a team-high five targets on a brutal day for the Jaguars' passing game. Lee played in three-wide sets behind Allen Hurns and Cecil Shorts. His big gain was a 37-yard catch-and-run down to the one-yard line on a slant pattern. The Jaguars were unable to get the ball into the end zone on the next four plays, turning the it over on downs. Lee is merely a WR5.

Nov 23 - 4:52 PM
 
Lee has looked good in each of the last 2 games. Just made an awesome leaping catch deep downfield overtop a CB. A play we were told he can't make.

 
Lee has looked good in each of the last 2 games. Just made an awesome leaping catch deep downfield overtop a CB. A play we were told he can't make.
He showed very good leaping ability, but still used the same poor technique he did in college. There was an incompletion on a short Out route that he could have came up but he used the same poor technique as well. I think someone told you that as well. Seems like a pattern here.

 
Lee has looked good in each of the last 2 games. Just made an awesome leaping catch deep downfield overtop a CB. A play we were told he can't make.
He showed very good leaping ability, but still used the same poor technique he did in college. There was an incompletion on a short Out route that he could have came up but he used the same poor technique as well. I think someone told you that as well. Seems like a pattern here.
What was wrong with the technique?
 
Lee has looked good in each of the last 2 games. Just made an awesome leaping catch deep downfield overtop a CB. A play we were told he can't make.
He showed very good leaping ability, but still used the same poor technique he did in college. There was an incompletion on a short Out route that he could have came up but he used the same poor technique as well. I think someone told you that as well. Seems like a pattern here.
What was wrong with the technique?
Both instances, he used "underhand" technique. Should have squared his hands so he can snatch the ball. On the leaping catch, he actually pinned the ball against the DB's hand. He should have snatched the ball and pull it over the DB's hand allowing him to run after the catch. On the Out route, he tried to pull the ball in and trap against his shoulder. Should have extended with the hands square and catch it against the sideline running out of bounds.

 
Lee has looked good in each of the last 2 games. Just made an awesome leaping catch deep downfield overtop a CB. A play we were told he can't make.
He showed very good leaping ability, but still used the same poor technique he did in college. There was an incompletion on a short Out route that he could have came up but he used the same poor technique as well. I think someone told you that as well. Seems like a pattern here.
What was wrong with the technique?
Both instances, he used "underhand" technique. Should have squared his hands so he can snatch the ball. On the leaping catch, he actually pinned the ball against the DB's hand. He should have snatched the ball and pull it over the DB's hand allowing him to run after the catch. On the Out route, he tried to pull the ball in and trap against his shoulder. Should have extended with the hands square and catch it against the sideline running out of bounds.
This is inaccurate.
 
Lee has looked good in each of the last 2 games. Just made an awesome leaping catch deep downfield overtop a CB. A play we were told he can't make.
He showed very good leaping ability, but still used the same poor technique he did in college. There was an incompletion on a short Out route that he could have came up but he used the same poor technique as well. I think someone told you that as well. Seems like a pattern here.
What was wrong with the technique?
Both instances, he used "underhand" technique. Should have squared his hands so he can snatch the ball. On the leaping catch, he actually pinned the ball against the DB's hand. He should have snatched the ball and pull it over the DB's hand allowing him to run after the catch. On the Out route, he tried to pull the ball in and trap against his shoulder. Should have extended with the hands square and catch it against the sideline running out of bounds.
Are you Fred Biletnikoff? Come on, man.

 

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