[Dynasty] Todd Gurley (1 Viewer)

[dkp993]

How many people who are supporters of Gurley here have actually done it with any type of substance?  @Just Win Baby did a nice job quoting Player Profiler - other than that... nothing. 

Posting an unconventional opinion and then being suffocated by 10 people who tell them they are ridiculous, a troll, it's not worth their time shouldn't be what the Shark Pool is about either.  It was the same exact story in the LeVeon Bell thread.  

I promised myself I wouldn’t respond any more but guess I’m already breaking that promise.  

The issue as I see it, or at least the one I have with you, is not your opinion.  You certainly have your right to that, it’s in your tact or lack there of.  Posting rolling emojis and belittling someone’s opinion or intelligence level suffocates your points.  You’ve literally stated that you are “smarter then..” those who don’t agree with you on multiple occasions.  That derails any point you have to make every time.  To Joe’s point, be cooler and you likely will get much a more rational discussion as you won’t be putting people on the defensive.   

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Its mind boggling that he didnt touch the ball more....if gurley wasnt knicked up then mcvay needs his head checked

 

[dkp993]

Its mind boggling that he didnt touch the ball more....if gurley wasnt knicked up then mcvay needs his head checked

Couldn’t agree more

 

[tjnc09]

I promised myself I wouldn’t respond any more but guess I’m already breaking that promise.  

The issue as I see it, or at least the one I have with you, is not your opinion.  You certainly have your right to that, it’s in your tact or lack there of.  Posting rolling emojis and belittling someone’s opinion or intelligence level suffocates your points.  You’ve literally stated that you are “smarter then..” those who don’t agree with you on multiple occasions.  That derails any point you have to make every time.  To Joe’s point, be cooler and you likely will get much a more rational discussion as you won’t be putting people on the defensive.   

That's a big lie.  Your very first response to me was that my opinion about Gurley was asinine.  The only issue you have with any of this is that you are a Rams fan.

I specifically asked you to provide links/support for your opinion and you completely ignored me.  You've done nothing to prove you are interested in a rational discussion.  Why don't you do that now?

 

[JohnnyU]

Its mind boggling that he didnt touch the ball more....if gurley wasnt knicked up then mcvay needs his head checked

If there's nothing wrong with Gurley physically then I think McVay thinks he's smarter than everyone else and was trying desperately to prove it.  If there's nothing wrong with Gurley McVay is an idiot. 

 

[tjnc09]

If there's nothing wrong with Gurley physically then I think McVay thinks he's smarter than everyone else and was trying desperately to prove it.  If there's nothing wrong with Gurley McVay is an idiot. 

I already posted that Anderson had a higher ypc both outside and inside McVay's system.  When does giving more carries to a RB who gains a higher ypc make a coach an idiot?

 

[dkp993]

That's a big lie.  Your very first response to me was that my opinion about Gurley was asinine.  The only issue you have with any of this is that you are a Rams fan.

I specifically asked you to provide links/support for your opinion and you completely ignored me.  You've done nothing to prove you are interested in a rational discussion.  Why don't you do that now?

I did say in our first interaction that I thought your take was asinine.  As it is an extremely different are unique opinion I stand by that.  Your first interaction with me was rolling emojis and called my reply “maybe the worst post ever”.  In your next reply said you were smarter.  

I’m done going round and round with you.  Best to you.  

 

[JohnnyU]

I already posted that Anderson had a higher ypc both outside and inside McVay's system.  When does giving more carries to a RB who gains a higher ypc make a coach an idiot?

We both know that Gurley is much better than a RB that has bounced around the league and was one stop away from street clothes.    Hell, Gurley is a stud.

 

[tjnc09]

We both know that Gurley is much better than a RB bounced around the league and was one stop away from street clothes.    Hell, Gurley is a stud.

Gurley, the stud, that produced this season?  Ok.

278 carries, 885 yards, 3.2 ypc; 43 rec, 327 rec yards, 7.6ypr; 6 total TDs

 

[JohnnyU]

um, why are you conveniently ignoring this phenomenal season?

278 carries, 885 yards, 3.2 ypc; 43 rec, 327 rec yards, 7.6ypr; 6 total TDs

I believe he's a stud (1251 yards / 4.9 ypc, 17 tds, 59 rec 580 yds 4 tds) and he's certainly better than a washed up fat RB who couldn't make an impact elsewhere and one that was one step away from the street.  

 

[lod001]

What's more likely?

1. Gurley had a worse injury than has been let on by McVey and Gurley (under McVey's request).

2. Sean McVey decided that a guy who was his best offensive weapon the last two seasons, and was a borderline MVP candidate, was of better use to the team on the sideline during the playoffs and Super Bowl?

Teams lie about injuries all the time to gain a competitive advantage over their opponents. It's a bit silly for you to accuse other people of lying when you're being as disingenuous as heck. You're coming across poorly here by trying to act like you're smarter than everyone else. It creates the opposite effect.

Your underlying point about RBs has a lot of truth to it but if you weren't so hyperbolic and illogical in trying to further it you would be better off. 

Pretty much covers it. I'll add this. Unless tjnc09 is correct (which he 100% is not) McVay would look like a completely incompetent boob if Gurley is healthy and he's playing the fat out of shape 2nd string guy more. He's got some serious explaining to do and when next season come around and Gurley is running wild again scoring TDs catching and running with 20+ carries a game. How do you then explain the end of the season? You cannot without finally admitting injury....or he's trying some sort of Belicheck denial...which doesn't work when you are a loser. See last year and Malcolm Butler.

As far as Anderson, he's running for his life & career and will go back to being the fat lazy bum he really is once he secures a 2 year deal.

 

[tjnc09]

I believe he's a stud (1251 yards / 4.9 ypc, 17 tds, 59 rec 580 yds 4 tds) and he's certainly better than a washed up fat RB who couldn't make an impact elsewhere and one that was one step away from the street.  

aw yes, the stud who was benched for a washed up fat RB one step away from the street in the two most important games of his career.

 

[lod001]

CJ Anderson will not even be in the league in 2 years.

 

[JohnnyU]

aw yes, the stud who was benched for a washed up fat RB one step away from the street in the two most important games of his career.

Yeah, go figure.  I also noticed you like to point at the player when stats suit you, but point to the system when they don't. 

 

[tjnc09]

Pretty much covers it. I'll add this. Unless tjnc09 is correct (which he 100% is not) McVay would look like a completely incompetent boob if Gurley is healthy and he's playing the fat out of shape 2nd string guy more. He's got some serious explaining to do and when next season come around and Gurley is running wild again scoring TDs catching and running with 20+ carries a game. How do you then explain the end of the season? You cannot without finally admitting injury....or he's trying some sort of Belicheck denial...which doesn't work when you are a loser. See last year and Malcolm Butler.

As far as Anderson, he's running for his life & career and will go back to being the fat lazy bum he really is once he secures a 2 year deal.

Why did the fat out of shape 2nd string guy average more ypc for the Rams than Gurley?

Why did Gurley look horrible against the Bears when he was healthy?

Rams will probably resign Anderson and I'm quite certain he's going to take a significant cut into Gurley's production next year.  If that elite OL remains healthy, Anderson will do very well again just like this season.

 

[tjnc09]

Yeah, go figure.  I also noticed you like to point at the player when stats suit you, but point to the system when they don't. 

Nope.  My whole point is that Gurley is nothing more than a system back.  He was not very good under Fisher, phenomenal under McVay.  Put 99% of RBs in the Rams system with that OL and they would be considered the best RB in the league, not Gurley.  We know this because Brown and Anderson also flourished in the same exact system.  

 

[lod001]

Why did the fat out of shape 2nd string guy average more ypc for the Rams than Gurley?

Why did Gurley look horrible against the Bears when he was healthy?

Rams will probably resign Anderson and I'm quite certain he's going to take a significant cut into Gurley's production next year.  If that elite OL remains healthy, Anderson will do very well again just like this season.

Because Gurley is not 100%. He has a hidden injury and for some reason they think denying it is the way to go. Next fall, you are gonna look really stupid when Gurley outperforms fatty. Of course you will then say that CJ Anderson was a bum to begin with. He is but I'm smart. I know he's playing for a contract and is busting his ### for $. Once handed to him, he will go back to sucking.

 

[tjnc09]

Because Gurley is not 100%. He has a hidden injury and for some reason they think denying it is the way to go. Next fall, you are gonna look really stupid when Gurley outperforms fatty. Of course you will then say that CJ Anderson was a bum to begin with. He is but I'm smart. I know he's playing for a contract and is busting his ### for $. Once handed to him, he will go back to sucking.

Link to where Gurley was hurt against the Bears when he went 11 car, 28 yards?

Anderson averaged more ypc in non-McVay systems than Gurley.  Why would I say he is a bum?  RBs are worthless and a product of their system.  Might be one or two that are an exception (certainly Gurley isn't one of them)

If Anderson plays for the Rams in the same exact system next year, I doubt there will be any significant different in ypc. 

 

[JohnnyU]

Nope.  My whole point is that Gurley is nothing more than a system back.  He was not very good under Fisher, phenomenal under McVay.  Put 99% of RBs in the Rams system with that OL and they would be considered the best RB in the league, not Gurley.  We know this because Brown and Anderson also flourished in the same exact system.  

A system back when the numbers are good, but bad bad Gurley when they aren't, LOL.  He had 1800+ yds and 21 TDs to your boy's 400+ and 3.  Yep, it's hard to figure out who the stud is.  I know you're just doing this to get people riled up and being contrarian / oppositional behavior.  I'm not going down that rabbit hole with you.

 

[tjnc09]

A system back when the numbers are good, but bad bad Gurley when they aren't, LOL.  He had 1800+ yds and 21 TDs to your boy's 400+ and 3.  Yep, it's hard to figure out who the stud is.  I know you're just doing this to get people riled up and being contrarian / oppositional behavior.  I'm not going down that rabbit hole with you.

What do you get if you prorate Brown/Anderson over a 16 game season instead of Gurley?

 

[JohnnyU]

What do you get if you prorate Brown/Anderson over a 16 game season instead of Gurley?

Prorate?  LOL.  Have a nice day.

 

[need2know]

Well this thread turned into a real turd

 

[travdogg]

I think it’s entirely possible gurley is healthy enough to play, and Anderson just outplayed him in practice the last couple weeks. Nobody other than maybe 1 guy is suggesting Anderson is a better player, but it’s fair to wonder if Mcvay just trusted him more right now.

 

[Foosball God]

/thread

 

[tjnc09]

Prorate?  LOL.  Have a nice day.

yep, no Gurley supporter really wants a rational discussion and I get reported for trying.  

 

[tjnc09]

Well this thread turned into a real turd

I guess this is the great stuff Joe wants in the Shark Pool.

 

[Soulfly3]

I think McVay felt Anderson had just as much value there as Gurley. 

I refuse to believe that you believe this.

 

[tjnc09]

I think it’s entirely possible gurley is healthy enough to play, and Anderson just outplayed him in practice the last couple weeks. Nobody other than maybe 1 guy is suggesting Anderson is a better player, but it’s fair to wonder if Mcvay just trusted him more right now.

I don't think there is much difference between 99% of the RBs, tbh.  I just think it's ridiculous how easily people dismiss a Gurley-Anderson comparison when A) Anderson outperformed him in the same Rams system, B) outperformed him before McVay and C) Gurley was essentially benched for him in the two most important games of the season.  

My whole point is put RB X with the Rams with that volume, system, OL, goal line opportunities and RB X is considered the best RB in the league.  

 

[Joe Bryant]

I refuse to believe that you believe this.

What's your reasoning for why McVay played them the way he did?

 

[Joe Bryant]

My whole point is put RB X with the Rams with that volume, system, OL, goal line opportunities and RB X is considered the best RB in the league.  




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That's a fair point. That's what teams like the Steelers are considering when they look at James Conner. And it's the question most teams who might be considering drafting a top RB or acquiring one in Free Agency are asking themselves. I tend to agree. 

 

[fantasycurse42]

I can't believe this is still being discussed. 

 

[Joe Bryant]

I can't believe this is still being discussed. 

Dude. There's no football in what feels like forever. This is what we're doing here...

 

[travdogg]

I don't think there is much difference between 99% of the RBs, tbh.  I just think it's ridiculous how easily people dismiss a Gurley-Anderson comparison when A) Anderson outperformed him in the same Rams system, B) outperformed him before McVay and C) Gurley was essentially benched for him in the two most important games of the season.  

My whole point is put RB X with the Rams with that volume, system, OL, goal line opportunities and RB X is considered the best RB in the league.  

To an extent I agree. I highly doubt Anderson would have been at, or even near, gurley’s level over the course of the season, but with fresh legs late, I can see him as a better option for a game or 2.

 

[tjnc09]

That's a fair point. That's what teams like the Steelers are considering when they look at James Conner. And it's the question most teams who might be considering drafting a top RB or acquiring one in Free Agency are asking themselves. I tend to agree. 

I appreciate that and I had the same frustrating conversations in the Bell thread too.  The Rams were literally graded as one of the best run blocking lines ever in NFL history.  McVay's personnel allow for Rams RBs to face fewer stacked boxes than the rest of the league.  No team should ever spend $14m on a RB.  Take that money, build a dominant OL, and hire a "bum" RB off the street.  It doesn't matter how talented a RB is if there are no holes to run through.

 

[fantasycurse42]

That's a fair point. That's what teams like the Steelers are considering when they look at James Conner. And it's the question most teams who might be considering drafting a top RB or acquiring one in Free Agency are asking themselves. I tend to agree. 

This was my argument below, and a similar argument I've made for keeping Nick Foles for $15mm less a year than Wentz along with 3 extra first rounders. 

But his argument is that CJA is at least equal to or possibly even more talented than Gurley, which is really crazy. If they cost the same thing, anyone taking CJA over Gurley is arguing to argue. It's hard to take an argument like that seriously, which is why I left, and was shocked it was still happening. 

If he wants to argue that Gurley is overrated, fine, but if he wants to argue CJA > Gurley, that's ridiculous. 

And if Gurley really was 100%, I'd think the GM who just paid him 4/$60mm is going to want some answers as to why a guy who averaged 5 a carry became a 2nd fiddle to a guy who was signed off the street.

If you want to make an argument that CJA at $1mm per year > Todd Gurley at $15mm year for the Rams, maybe it has some merit, maybe it doesn't, but it can be debated.

An argument that CJA is outright better than or = to Gurley is crazy talk.

 

[tjnc09]

To an extent I agree. I highly doubt Anderson would have been at, or even near, gurley’s level over the course of the season, but with fresh legs late, I can see him as a better option for a game or 2.

Maybe Gurley should have never been at "Gurley's level" if he couldn't produce late in the playoffs.  Rams should resign Anderson and make it a RBBC next season.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Maybe Gurley should have never been at "Gurley's level" if he couldn't produce late in the playoffs.  Rams should resign Anderson and make it a RBBC next season.

If the Rams are gonna do that, they’d be better off trading Gurley

 

[fantasycurse42]

I appreciate that and I had the same frustrating conversations in the Bell thread too.  The Rams were literally graded as one of the best run blocking lines ever in NFL history.  McVay's personnel allow for Rams RBs to face fewer stacked boxes than the rest of the league.  No team should ever spend $14m on a RB.  Take that money, build a dominant OL, and hire a "bum" RB off the street.  It doesn't matter how talented a RB is if there are no holes to run through.

I agree with this. I even noted you could debate CJA at $1mm > Gurley at $15mm. 

An argument that CJA is outright more talented just does not hold weight. You want more proof besides my eyes? How about an NFL GM paid him 4/60 and CJA was cut and signed for under $1mm - apparently 64 eyes that make millions to see this, see it the exact same as I do by a gigantic margin. 

 

[JohnnyU]

Maybe Gurley should have never been at "Gurley's level" if he couldn't produce late in the playoffs.  Rams should resign Anderson and make it a RBBC next season.

Don't they still have Malcolm Brown?  He was looking good as a COP back before he got hurt.  If he comes back 100% I wouldn't be surprised if he's back as the #2....again.

 

[tjnc09]

But his argument is that CJA is at least equal to or possibly even more talented than Gurley, which is really crazy. If they cost the same thing, anyone taking CJA over Gurley is arguing to argue. It's hard to take an argument like that seriously, which is why I left, and was shocked it was still happening. 

If he wants to argue that Gurley is overrated, fine, but if he wants to argue CJA > Gurley, that's ridiculous. 

Again, how is this ridiculous?

Anderson had a higher ypc than Gurley outside of McVay's system

Anderson had a higher ypc than Gurley inside of McVay's system

Give me some kind of quantifiable factors that proves Gurley is clearly better than Anderson.  I am fully aware of Gurley's volume with the Rams and that he scores a lot of TDs (which are random and a product of the offense).

 

[dkp993]

Don't they still have Malcolm Brown?  He was looking good as a COP back before he got hurt.  If he comes back 100% I wouldn't be surprised if he's back as the #2....again.

Brown is a free agent.  Assumptions are he’ll get an offer larger then the Rams will be willing to pay for a backup.  

 

[travdogg]

Maybe Gurley should have never been at "Gurley's level" if he couldn't produce late in the playoffs.  Rams should resign Anderson and make it a RBBC next season.

If I am understanding your logic, does it even need to be Anderson? Couldn’t another guy do this, if it’s mcvay’s offense that is the key?

 

[JohnnyU]

Give me some kind of quantifiable factors that proves Gurley is clearly better than Anderson.  I am fully aware of Gurley's volume with the Rams and that he scores a lot of TDs (which are random and a product of the offense).

I already did - He had 1800+ yds and 21 TDs to your boy's 400+ and 3.  When is Gurley's bad numbers the system's fault, since you like to say it's the system?

 

[tjnc09]

I agree with this. I even noted you could debate CJA at $1mm > Gurley at $15mm. 

An argument that CJA is outright more talented just does not hold weight. You want more proof besides my eyes? How about an NFL GM paid him 4/60 and CJA was cut and signed for under $1mm - apparently 64 eyes that make millions to see this, see it the exact same as I do by a gigantic margin. 

Do you think Gurley signs that contract if Fisher was still the head coach and he continued to perform like he did in 2016?  I think Gurley got really lucky playing for an offensive genius.

Do you think LeVeon Bell was worth $14m after seeing the success Conner had this year?  GMs make a lot of stupid decisions and overpaying a RB is one of them.  The Patriots have been incredibly successful for nearly two decades - when have they ever paid nearly that much for a RB?

 

[JohnnyU]

Do you think Gurley signs that contract if Fisher was still the head coach and he continued to perform like he did in 2016?  I think Gurley got really lucky playing for an offensive genius.

He looked lost last night.

 

[tjnc09]

If I am understanding your logic, does it even need to be Anderson? Couldn’t another guy do this, if it’s mcvay’s offense that is the key?

Correct.  Brown averaged 4.9ypc this season and he was mainly running when the defense KNEW he was running (large leads late in the 4th).  

I asked this question before and was completely ignored:

If David Johnson played under McVay in 2017-18 and Gurley on the Cardinals, who is easily considered the best RB in the game?  It would be Johnson and it's not even close.

 

[JohnnyU]

Brown is a free agent.  Assumptions are he’ll get an offer larger then the Rams will be willing to pay for a backup.  

I'm not so sure about that, especially post injury.

 

[tjnc09]

He looked lost last night.

well, Belichick's genius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other type of genius.  It doesn't matter who is playing for the Patriots or who are the Patriots are playing, he is on an unprecedented level of football IQ.

 

[lod001]

Gurley is faking injury and performing under par to drive down the value of the 3 down RB so he can remain the highest paid RB in NFL history!!!!!!!!!!!! He doesn't want Bell and Gordon to earn more than he does.

 

[JohnnyU]

Gurley is faking injury and performing under par to drive down the value of the 3 down RB so he can remain the highest paid RB in NFL history!!!!!!!!!!!! He doesn't want Bell and Gordon to earn more than he does.

You don't really believe that.