In the case of Hockenson, I much prefer Fant as an overall prospect and especially for fantasy. That's part of it (although I know it's irrelevant to this scenario). I just don't see much upside with Hockenson - he's more 'solid' to me and I'm less interested in that. In the case of JJAW, I have concerns about his ability to separate in the NFL and I just think people are expecting too much out of him, I presume based on his situation in a year or two. He just looks like a decent WR3 type to me.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
Birdie048
Footballguy
Agholor has been a rumor cut ($$) for a while; Alshon will likely not be back after 2020 (his new contract is back loaded IIRC). DJax is here for 1 year? He will turn 33 during the season and has clearly lost a step and I believe he might be more a "mentor" to JJAW than WR target from other than 3-4 WR sets.
True that Ertz & RB in Play Action role will be heavily involved, but I believe JJAW will be the Eagles WR1 in 2021.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Agholor is a UFA after this season.
You left out Dallas Goedert. I believe he'll be a big part of their passing game, particularly in the RZ. The Eagles have a lot of receiving weapons.
Milkman
Footballguy
The QB you play with does though......draft away if you like him. You never know and he was drafted high so the coaches will push him to prove how right they were about him.
EBF
Footballguy
I've taken some waiver flyers on Ty Johnson. Good athlete. Decent clips. Probably lacks the size and/or dynamic running ability to be a pro starter, but there's enough there for me to kick the tires. He's a player I'll monitor in the preseason to see if he can make a splash.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
That's a really bold move. I think its probably less than 50% chance Johnson makes the Lions. Johnson, Anderson, Riddick, and Zenner are all in his way, and all bring things to the table(though Riddick has been rumored to be on the way out) meanwhile, Thompson is a locked in 3rd down back(albeit with as many durability issues as any RB in the league) and unless Bryce Love is ready sooner than expected, is pretty safe in that role.
Is it that bold? Sure, Johnson is a pure flier but is Chris Thompson helping many dynasty teams over the next couple of years? I'm not so sure.
Thompson isn't a building block by any means. But he was a pretty useful player in 2017. He averaged 15 points a week that year, which is well above flier territory.
Even last year he averaged 9 points per game, despite never been 100%, and having only 1 TD.
Unless either Love is more ready than we think, Thompson will probably see 8-10 touches a week, and maybe more if the Redskins spend a lot of time trailing in 4th quarters. Guice and Peterson are no threats to his role.
Again, he's not a guy I'm targeting by any means, but he's not worthless, and I can't say that about Ty Johnson.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
That was my take. CT is probably a bye week flex at best but Johnson is probably a cut. All my rosters are very top heavy so I was happy for the depth.
Ty Johnson does have a certain something when you watch him though, he's boom/bust I think.
Probably Brady of that group. He could still be a solid contributor this year, I'm sure if any of those guys ever will be.
Zyphros
Footballguy
If you're in a startup where do you want to pick from? choose your draft slot basically. 1-12 where do you want? Assume's a snake draft.
I'm thinking spot 3 or 8. 3 if I want to grab a top tiered RB or 8 that I can grab 2 elite WR's in rounds 1 and 2. Not sure how I feel honestly. Probably lean towards later in the round, but I'm unsure.
I'm thinking spot 3 or 8. 3 if I want to grab a top tiered RB or 8 that I can grab 2 elite WR's in rounds 1 and 2. Not sure how I feel honestly. Probably lean towards later in the round, but I'm unsure.
If I am in a start up I would choose not to do a snake draft. That is a terrible way to start a dynasty league as it doesn't give everyone equal shot to get the player they want.
If for some reason auction did not exist then I just want to be on an end. I hate the middle. 1-3 or 10-12
dipandglide
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Brady is a logical first choice ff you need a QB.. Give me Boykin if not. Boykin has a high ceiling and the depth chart is wide open. Those are the types I prefer to gamble on at that point in the draft if the QB and TE's I like are off the board.hispeedthinmint said:
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
1st is the easiest choice it's ever been.Zyphros said:
Saquon is the best 1.01 we've had since a young LT2. And there's a big dropoff this year after about 3.04 so picking 1st gets you 3 picks prior to that. In some leagues guys like Gurley or Tyreek are still falling to the end of the 2nd.
I believe the numbers guys have said that #1 is the highest probability of winning immediately, followed by the middle picks 6, 5, 7, then 12, 11. That's more of a redraft mindset, but I like to trade during startups and it's far easier to do that when you are in the middle of every round instead of having two picks at the end.Zyphros said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think I’d go 8 and get the WRs. Find RBs a bit later or in the future. RBs fortunes change quickly.Zyphros said:
bostonfred
Footballguy
In a non ppr league i offered Brady for 3.5 to get mclaurin and was rejected. He'd be my first choice if I'm swinging for the fences - he's talented and has history with their qb of the future, and that depth chart is wide open.hispeedthinmint said:
I'd take Brady if i had an immediate need at qb. I'd take Daniel Jones if you have deep rosters and can afford to hang on to him and Bruce Anderson if you have deep starting lineups where you can start 3 rbs and have an immediate need.
All those guys are decent darts but that's how i see it.
bostonfred
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I like Williams better for this year and if he is any good this year I think he's got multi year potential. I like Freeman but he may have been a product of Shanahan, he's coming off injury and he's getting paid a lot. If he has a down year or gets hurt who knows what happens next year. Give me Williams by a lot.
Different strokes I guess. I like Freeman by a lot. He's got more than a 50 carry sample size of being a quality RB, and while I agree those 2015-2016 numbers aren't coming back, I think he's still a solid RB2. Williams probably does have a higher ceiling, but his floor is that he falls into a RBBC this year, and is fully replaced next year. I could also see Williams replaced by Hyde at the GL, its the 1 thing Hyde is good at.
bostonfred
Footballguy
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HydeCa00/splits/
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillDa05/splits/
Williams is better than hyde in short yardage.
Plus, I don't really see Reid subbing out Damien for Hyde much at the goaline. He likes to funnel targets to his RB's in the redzone a lot, and Damien is worlds better at that than Hyde. Better at pass protection, too.
Christian Kirk or Chris Godwin. But with all the hype surrounding Godwin now, I'm not sure anyone's selling him for that. But Kirk is a possibility. I like them both quite a bit.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
I'm not big on kirk (think Isabella is the guy there soon) and already own Godwin - but thank you!
RC94
Footballguy
I doubt you can get Kirk for a late 1st anyway. I wouldn't trade him for that. Everyone's values are different, though. Other WRs you can potentially target are Boyd, Pettis, Jeffrey, Fuller, and Marvin Jones. Pre-injury Shepard could have been a target, but not sure if you would want to pay that for him until he's healthy. I have Shepard in a league and that's about what I would be looking for if I were to trade him. AJ Green could also potentially be available for a late 1st with his latest injury, although the news is that he will be back before the season and while healthy I would expect him to put up better numbers than the other WRs I mentioned.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I sold him for 1.06 back in maybe April. I also moved him straight up for Mark Ingram and my trade partner autoaccepted. But I am in love with Ingram in Baltimore for this year. FWIW. Oh I also paid a 2020 1st, Duke Johnson and Jimmy Graham for Boyd, a 2020 2nd and 4.06.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Imo the only deal you won here is the one where you bought Boyd. Where you sold I think you lost. But who knows.
kutta
Footballguy
Penguin
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
By the end of the season, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Devin Singletary is the #1 RB in Buffalo (but splitting carries with McCoy and Gore(, and I think the odds are huge in his favor that he's the unquestioned #1 next year.
He is getting a lot of run with the #1s already and a lot of praise for front office brass, coaches and teammates (as well as local sports media).
He is getting a lot of run with the #1s already and a lot of praise for front office brass, coaches and teammates (as well as local sports media).
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Some training camp reports mean more than others. KeeSean Johnson in Arizona and the Butler fellow in New Orleans, just my opinion carry more weight than Singletary getting work in Buffalo. Could very well be the case of McCoy and Gore, both over 30, needing rest more than practice reps. They know how to get themselves ready for real football and need no evaluation either.
As far as Singletary looking totally awesome, grain of salt perhaps. There are very few opinions of drafted rookies looking terrible, thus such reports have more meaning than the routine "rookie looks good". While I'm about ready to give up on Rosen, I think it's a little early to move the needle on Singletary. I can't wait to watch him in pre-season though.
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GroveDiesel
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Agreed, it's still early. But certain situations and certain comments mean more than others. Brandon Beane talking about how Singletary's tape was the most exciting he watched carries weight. Josh Allen saying that Singletary understands how to read defenses and what spots to get to like a veteran carries weight. Singletary getting the 1st team reps versus Yeldon and Murphy getting none carries weight. And an aging McCoy and Gore with only 1 year contracts (and Yeldon with a 2 year easy to get out of one) carries weight.
There's certainly no guarantees, but I think the evidence is very very strong that the Bills' current plan/hope is for Singletary to become their #1 RB by next year.
Bills reporters like Joe Buscaglia and Matthew Fairburn don't typically sugarcoat things and I have yet to hear a negative thing about Singletary from them. So at the very least, we know that he hasn't fallen on his face or doesn't look like he is clearly lacking ability to succeed in the NFL (for comparison, they've been fairly quick to call out Cody Ford for getting beat by speed rushes by even a 7th round rookie, something that was a potential concern for him at OT).
I thought this was a very odd statement, so I went and looked in the Isabella thread. You are literally the only person who thinks that his route tree is limited, and there are plenty of posters who I respect, along with plenty of scouting reports that say otherwise.Penguin said:
kutta
Footballguy
My buddy went to Cards camp last week and said Isabella was juking DB’s so hard they were falling down, getting up and throwing their hands in the air. Just one data point, but he’s looking like he belongs, at least for now.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
kutta
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah I hear you. In the two I sold him I was elite at WR and may never start him. The one I bought him I am in dire need of WR. So yes perhaps in terms of raw value I could have done better where I sold, but in one league I cleared vital roster space, which is hard to quantify.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Same. Except I know I wouldn't.kutta said:
jm192
Footballguy
I don't want Robinson.
They'll keep running the ball and spreading the wealth. Between injuries and what have you, I fear he's doomed to be an 850 and 5 TD guy the rest of his career.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Where do people put the value of Henderson and Corey Davis this year?
I was offered verbally Henderson for Davis + "I think I'd need a little more." We never got into what more he would need because I immediately shot that down.
Maybe I'm higher on Dsvis than some. Everyone knows I do like Henderson (although after week 1 preseason I'm glad he declined my counter of Davis and Carson for Guice and Henderson)
Just trying to grt a feel where people see Davis this year. Make or break season for Mariota, and maybe Davis gets 1 more year as a pass if TEN moves onto another qb in 2020. Personally I see him as a 3rd year breakout candidate.
I was offered verbally Henderson for Davis + "I think I'd need a little more." We never got into what more he would need because I immediately shot that down.
Maybe I'm higher on Dsvis than some. Everyone knows I do like Henderson (although after week 1 preseason I'm glad he declined my counter of Davis and Carson for Guice and Henderson)
Just trying to grt a feel where people see Davis this year. Make or break season for Mariota, and maybe Davis gets 1 more year as a pass if TEN moves onto another qb in 2020. Personally I see him as a 3rd year breakout candidate.
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Raptors409
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I don't even know what team Corey Davis plays for. Is it Tennesee? If so, I'm going to continue not knowing who he is. Love Henderson though, think he can average 5-6 catches a game. No problem throwing him out in the FLEX as early as Week 1.
Think he's gonna score a lot of 4th Quarter touchdowns when the game is out of reach.
Think he's gonna score a lot of 4th Quarter touchdowns when the game is out of reach.
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