EBF
Footballguy
He had some issues at Alabama and his own coaches have never seemed to trust him with a full workload.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
How do you mean? You struggle with whether you think you *should* go for being deep at RB, or that you know you should and struggle with pulling it off?
My take was going to be that I still think Sutton is the WR to own in Denver and that his stock should be up but instead it is going down. The value on that trade is almost certainly on the Hill side today, but I am not so sure it would be later. And by keeping the 1.04 you're improving your squad *today* rather than next year. Maybe. I have the same problem with 1.04 and have decided I have to wait and see what happens first.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Curious to people's thoughts on Kirk's value? I had just sent this trade offer giving up in a PPR dynasty (to the Murray owner) and wondered if it seems fair value?
Give: Kirk, 1.10 pick
Get: 1.4, 2.4
I think Kirk is most certainly worth a 1st so does this seem about right to move up from 1.4 from 1.10?
Give: Kirk, 1.10 pick
Get: 1.4, 2.4
I think Kirk is most certainly worth a 1st so does this seem about right to move up from 1.4 from 1.10?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Kirk is a middling talent and you are lucky if he takes it.
And if the Assistant Coach forum police don't arrest you.
rockaction
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Word. I like the Tyreek side even after looking at your roster. Guess it depends how many you start, etc. as to what the real crunching of numbers will tell you. But yeah, as of now, you're likely right if this year is your gig.
Are you sure they're playing? Dr. Octopus seems sure. I'm not.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Calcs have it for Kirk by a decent amount -- actually a lot -- over the 2.4, but not enough to make up the gap in the first round picks.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I guess a lot of people (self included) think Murray and that offense could be one of the highest scoring in the league over the next few years. And Fitz is gone after this year, so I'm assuming Nuk will be the #1 and Kirk the #2 (who should really benefit from teams doubling Hopkins)
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Since there isn't crap for TEs in this draft, I'd not consider moving Ertz for a draft pick in the 2nd this year. Granted maybe you have needs at RB or WR with that pick, but still, seems like a late 1st or very early 2nd would be his value right??
Tha Guru
Footballguy
Hankmoody
Footballguy
That is a landslide for Tyreek. Like an overpay by 1.01. I wouldn't give Tyreek up for 1.02 and 1.04 so any loss from Sutton <-> 2021 1st is offset by that. The 1.01 shouldn't even be in this conversation.
rockaction
Footballguy
Dynasty League Football Trade Analyzer has Kirk at 1.10
kutta
Footballguy
This one went down a couple weeks ago - before the NFL draft:
Team A gets 1.10
Team B gets Drake, 2.05, 2.09
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rockaction
Footballguy
kutta
Footballguy
ratbast
Footballguy
Just think you could do better, I mean I don’t think the deal is crazy. Shop that pick or an RB sure but Sutton is pretty valuable in my book.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I think the potential amount of market value that Dobbins will gain, IMO, as he emerges, is likely to outweigh the gap between Sutton and Hill, which may not even exist a year from now, though I acknowledge that's not the case today and Hill would probably be the favorite to still be worth more.
My bet is that Dobbins will outperform that future 1st and Sutton will close that gap.
If Dobbins wasn't there I run to the trade, though. I am def high on Dobbins.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Even if you're not playing him, I think he does more for your portfolio than the other side of the proposal.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I tried offering the 2.02 and 3.12 for Drake, didn't fly. I'm not too hurt by it but felt like I could use the RB or the rookie WR. Most of the deals I try to get done are deals that are cheaper than "market value" otherwise I don't usually feel it's worth it. Can be too crippling for a team.
Boston
Footballguy
Since I like what you have to say let me ask you a question...why would a Drake owner want to do this deal? Curious to see what you think because I believe one of the keys to making a deal is sending an offer that you yourself would accept or at least consider and I just don’t see it with that offer.
Zyphros
Footballguy
If they really like someone at 2.02 (or whatever pick you’re offering). The team I offered it to isn’t in the best shape either. Figured Drakes value is low because of basically only 2 years of production, in limited roles, on a 1 year franchise deal and soon to be 27. Lots of factors are suppressing his value and it’s unlikely to ever go up. Even if he blows up this year.
rockaction
Footballguy
According to RotoUnderworld, age 26 is the peak year for a RB's average fantasy points scored. Then it's declining fantasy output. That makes the question of when to sell at least a legitimate one. People want to stay ahead of the curve. I argue that, in dynasty, people do too much of that, but that's another discussion for another time, I suppose.
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TartanLion
Footballguy
Think I need one RB to push me over the top, how would you rank these RBs in terms of value ? ...
Miles Sanders
Nick Chubb
Derrick Henry ( I now own Evans )
Miles Sanders
Nick Chubb
Derrick Henry ( I now own Evans )
Boston
Footballguy
Agreed...also, and this may just be my thinking but if I get two years of top 15 production out of Drake I will gladly take that and move on especially since it did not take a ton to acquire him....I would rather have that then an RB that will finish around 25 for five years...you just don’t need to cash out on every player...sometimes you can just ride them out till they don’t produce then you replace them in the draft.
robb
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Calcs and rankings go Chubb and then Sanders and Henry close to Sanders in their own tier, really, but that's dynasty value.
If you want to win now, only you can answer that. I haven't paid close enough attention to these particular backs and their fluid situations, e.g., Chubb with Hunt instead of Chubb alone, Sanders's role, etc. to give you guidance.
If I had to win now, I'd probably take Sanders in PPR, but that's me.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
What kind of picks do you want in return for Tyreek Hill?
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
No I don't know I mean a future 1st on top of at least one top 3 pick this year and a mid to late 1st this year. If it has to be all picks.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah I don't know I sold for a lower profit when I thought his career was going to be derailed last year. I don't own any shares anymore but I would certainly expect to pay premium prices.
Seems so rare a stud gets traded for just picks, though. Even though CMC did so for three current 1sts in the trade thread maybe yesterday. Anyway I would want a starting vet back as part of a package with picks. I'm not sure picks alone would do it. Which is why I think it might take 3 firsts to do it.
jabarony
Footballguy
I would think Hill > Sutton regardless of QBs. And if you bring QBs into the conversation, it's not even close.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Thank you. Yeah that’s what I was thinking, Sanders I feel could be due a monster year and he’s obviously the youngestrockaction said:
Zyphros
Footballguy
Fair value would be roughly CMC = Barkley. But if you own CMC or Barkley, there's no reason to trade them for fair value.
az_prof
Footballguy
az_prof
Footballguy
He is selling high on CMC. I would not sell low on Barkley. We saw his rookie year what Barkley is capable of and he was hurt most of last year. Giants improved the OL in draft. I get that most people value CMC as the overall #1 right now but I actually prefer Barkley.
For 2020:
Henry, Sanders, Chubb
For dynasty in general going forward:
Sanders, Chubb, Henry
rockaction
Footballguy
I was in the middle of typing out a fair calc offer to a Barkley GM when I thought to myself, "Why on earth does he even want to move this guy?" I couldn't come up with an answer, so I didn't bother sending the offer, which numerically was way over Barkley's value, but still sounded stupid. So I dig what you're saying, Zyphros.
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Birdie048
Footballguy
Ok.... PRICE CHECK AISLE 6
I am looking to see what the Market value is on Davante Adams with the turmoil in GB. I think some are trying to buy low with the QB/HC tift. I keep reading on the GB Offense philosphy is to go more Run oriented but the whole COVID threat to the season pushes this concern to more plausible in 2021.
I am in need of RB help (Chubb, Ingram, L Murray & FA Freeman) but I don't know if moving Adams will get me the value needed to be competitive. Lost Championship last year (wrong QB) but overall I don't see my team as a solid Win Now. Too many holes.
So, the idea I have is Montgomery, Hunt, Kupp for Adams & L Murray (Kamara owner). Is that reasonable or am I in fantasy land?
(sorry ... more I read this, AC?)
I am looking to see what the Market value is on Davante Adams with the turmoil in GB. I think some are trying to buy low with the QB/HC tift. I keep reading on the GB Offense philosphy is to go more Run oriented but the whole COVID threat to the season pushes this concern to more plausible in 2021.
I am in need of RB help (Chubb, Ingram, L Murray & FA Freeman) but I don't know if moving Adams will get me the value needed to be competitive. Lost Championship last year (wrong QB) but overall I don't see my team as a solid Win Now. Too many holes.
So, the idea I have is Montgomery, Hunt, Kupp for Adams & L Murray (Kamara owner). Is that reasonable or am I in fantasy land?
(sorry ... more I read this, AC?)
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I don't think that is a good trade for you. Montgomery won't help you at all and Hunt is kind of still in limbo. Adams should bring more than that, especially at RB.
Zyphros
Footballguy
If there's a season, Adams is the guy I'd make my bet on to be WR1 by the end of the year. I tried inquiring about him in a few places, and it doesn't seem like people are giving him up at all. I never made an offer but that offer wouldn't do it for me the way I view Adams' 2020 season right now. It's not insulting but like I said, Adams is my best bet to lead the league in points at WR.
In his case I'd say he's a top tier WR talent who's likely hit their prime years or on the decline, they're worth 2 early 1sts minimum. To trade him I'd need studly youth. Kupp is basically the same age, Hunt is a COP back for the rest of his career very likely, Montgomery is a career backup. It looks lateral to me in terms of age, and below market in terms of production.
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