Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (29 Viewers)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think TEs often take a while to develop and it’s not like Knox died.

I think his role has changed,

Likely so, but I’d bet a sizable sum that he’s still gonna catch some TDs

 

[Mister CIA]

I think TEs often take a while to develop and it’s not like Knox died.

I think his role has changed,

Likely so, but I’d bet a sizable sum that he’s still gonna catch some TDs

3.5 out of 17 weeks.

 

[Ilov80s]

I am flush with RB and need some WR help.

Anyone have an evaluation, fair offer, etc for ETN, 1.02 (1QB), James Cook, Pacheco?

Like, what are those players worth in trade?

1.02 I probably take Gibbs & deal him or wait until you’re on the clock to take offers.

ETN is gonna depend a lot on the eye of the beholder. If I’m in your league imma pay for him. Not everyone is bullish on ETN though.

Pacheco I have as a solid early 2nd round value. Maybe an upside WR2?

James Cook is tricky - I just got him as a balancing piece to get TLaw. Hard to know until we see how he’s utilized. I do know that Murray is 33 and not awesome, and Harris gets hurt a lot. If Cook gets that Singletary role + receptions he’s gonna be mightily valuable in that offense. But the off-season isn’t over. Still some risk of a FA signing.

That is what I am asking. I just want to convert an excess of RB talent to some WR talent.

Thanks for the honest insight. Very helpful.

 

[Mister CIA]

I am flush with RB and need some WR help.

Anyone have an evaluation, fair offer, etc for ETN, 1.02 (1QB), James Cook, Pacheco?

Like, what are those players worth in trade?

1.02 I probably take Gibbs & deal him or wait until you’re on the clock to take offers.

ETN is gonna depend a lot on the eye of the beholder. If I’m in your league imma pay for him. Not everyone is bullish on ETN though.

Pacheco I have as a solid early 2nd round value. Maybe an upside WR2?

James Cook is tricky - I just got him as a balancing piece to get TLaw. Hard to know until we see how he’s utilized. I do know that Murray is 33 and not awesome, and Harris gets hurt a lot. If Cook gets that Singletary role + receptions he’s gonna be mightily valuable in that offense. But the off-season isn’t over. Still some risk of a FA signing.

That is what I am asking. I just want to convert an excess of RB talent to some WR talent.

Me too.

 

[Ilov80s]

ETN does seem like a wildcard. I will chalk it up to the same old misplaced ETN hate. Nobody likes him. I don't get it but I have to accept it.

 

[foxco]

No, not unless I'm sure Putin launches in 2024.

I mean, he’s only 24 and Penny is on a 1-year deal, no?

Don't think he'll ever really be trusted as more than a glorified 3rd down back. But... I could be mistaken, or dunk, or misdrunk.

 

[Ilov80s]

Me too.

I get WRs have more long term value, but I look around leagues and so many teams are weak at RB, overloaded with old players about to burn out. At this point, I have a stranglehold on the future RB position and I am willing to let these other teams die with their 28 year old veteran RBs.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I just want to convert an excess of RB talent to some WR talent.

Would suggest packaging 2 of those RB for a semi-elite or elite WR.

ETN+Pacheco would likely net you a top 10 WR?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Don't think he'll ever really be trusted as more than a glorified 3rd down back. But... I could be mistaken, or dunk, or misdrunk.

That’s the gamble though right?

I’m talking a 2025 late 1st. That’s about as low as I’ve seen for him.

It’s really tempting. @menobrown - your thoughts?

 

[massraider]

ETN does seem like a wildcard. I will chalk it up to the same old misplaced ETN hate. Nobody likes him. I don't get it but I have to accept it.

He should have had some big Kamara games by now. I'm not seeing the ceiling. And I was very bullish

 

[massraider]

I am thinking about grabbing Ridder if I can.

I think that trio of Bijan, London, and Pitts has #1 NFL offense upside. Ridder could easily be driving a Maybach, in a weak conference. Maybe you flip him next year.

 

[Ilov80s]

ETN does seem like a wildcard. I will chalk it up to the same old misplaced ETN hate. Nobody likes him. I don't get it but I have to accept it.

He should have had some big Kamara games by now. I'm not seeing the ceiling. And I was very bullish

Fair, I don’t know if I see Kamara ceiling but the floor seems very safe.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Fair, I don’t know if I see Kamara ceiling but the floor seems very safe.

I just read that ETN was top 10 in efficiency.

Just needs a slight bump in volume. And considering they were a little conservative with him last year, his 1st off Lisfranc, it seems attainable.

Some good points here

Travis Etienne Jr., Jacksonville Jaguars​

What I love about Etienne, though, is his total numbers don’t tell the full story, which provides for a buying opportunity.
Etienne was really efficient with his touches, averaging 5.7 yards per touch — top 10 in the league. Additionally, from Week 7 onward, he averaged over a 75% snap share in games where he was healthy. In a league where the three-down back is going the way of the VCR, Etienne has a very desired role.

Despite his overall numbers, Etienne’s peripherals suggest a massive leap forward in 2023. The Jaguars’ only move at running back was to select Tank Bigsby in the third round. While it’s possible Bigsby takes some receiving work from Etienne, I don’t think it will be much.

Tied to an ascending quarterback on an ascending offense, I expect Etienne to be ranked as a top-eight RB in redraft leagues. At just 24 years old, he is someone fantasy managers should seek to acquire via trade.

 

[menobrown]

Don't think he'll ever really be trusted as more than a glorified 3rd down back. But... I could be mistaken, or dunk, or misdrunk.

That’s the gamble though right?

I’m talking a 2025 late 1st. That’s about as low as I’ve seen for him.

It’s really tempting. @menobrown - your thoughts?

If the question is if I’d pay a late 2025 first for Swift the answer is yes I’d jump on that.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If the question is if I’d pay a late 2025 first for Swift the answer is yes I’d jump on that.

New owner took over a team with a bunch of RB. I floated the pick for Pollard. No dice. Said he could maybe do Swift. Told him I’d sleep on it.

What are your thoughts about his role in PHI?

 

[menobrown]

What are your thoughts about his role in PHI?

The opportunity is in front of him to be the lead member of a RBBC, putting up solid RB2 numbers with upside while being put in a position to rehab his value heading into free agency.

If he falters he could flame out to a point he's not got a role with a team that gives you much confidence.

He controls his destiny, huge year for him.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

What are your thoughts about his role in PHI?

The opportunity is in front of him to be the lead member of a RBBC, putting up solid RB2 numbers with upside while being put in a position to rehab his value heading into free agency.

If he falters he could flame out to a point he's not got a role with a team that gives you much confidence.

He controls his destiny, huge year for him.

I think imma float the offer tomorrow.

Man - I spent 2.5 years trying to deal him away in one league, finally did, and going back in at a discount in a different league feels dirty.

It’s such a gamble. But hey

lol

 

[Ilov80s]

ETN has a lot of upside. I don't know what it is but he just has this burst that nobody else has. His long speed is fine but the way he gains 5 or 10 yards in the blink of an eye is different. He teleports when he sees open space.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

What are your thoughts about his role in PHI?

The opportunity is in front of him to be the lead member of a RBBC, putting up solid RB2 numbers with upside while being put in a position to rehab his value heading into free agency.

If he falters he could flame out to a point he's not got a role with a team that gives you much confidence.

He controls his destiny, huge year for him.

I think imma float the offer tomorrow.

Man - I spent 2.5 years trying to deal him away in one league, finally did, and going back in at a discount feels dirty.

It’s such a gamble. But hey

lol

It's a high risk, moderate to low reward gamble. I don't see a scenario where swift is much more than a jerrick McKinnon kinda guy for 2023. He's definitely not got bell cow in him in his next deal.

Ceiling to me is mid level rb2 with significant injury history

Floor is perpetual injury hell

Not worth a first for me

 

[Dr. Octopus]

No, not unless I'm sure Putin launches in 2024.

I mean, he’s only 24 and Penny is on a 1-year deal, no?

So is Swift (last year of rookie deal).

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

No, not unless I'm sure Putin launches in 2024.

I mean, he’s only 24 and Penny is on a 1-year deal, no?

So is Swift (last year of rookie deal).

Truth.

But a 2025 1st?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Ceiling to me is mid level rb2 with significant injury history

Penny isn’t exactly the model of good health either though.

Isn’t his ceiling “large share of a committee if Penny goes down” while floor is “dynamic receiving back in an elite offense”?

I have him as about RB18-20, ahead of guys like Charbonnet. So RB2, as you said.

Feels like the price would be about right for that.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Ceiling to me is mid level rb2 with significant injury history

Penny isn’t exactly the model of good health either though.

Isn’t his ceiling “large share of a committee if Penny goes down” while floor is “dynamic receiving back in an elite offense”?

I have him as about RB18-20, ahead of guys like Charbonnet. So RB2, as you said.

Feels like the price would be about right for that.

I get it. I just hate to give up '25 assets for someone who I'm not certain will be productive in '25.

 

[IHEARTFF]

I am thinking about grabbing Ridder if I can.

I think that trio of Bijan, London, and Pitts has #1 NFL offense upside. Ridder could easily be driving a Maybach, in a weak conference. Maybe you flip him next year.

Yea that is tempting.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I get it. I just hate to give up '25 assets for someone who I'm not certain will be productive in '25.

That is the risk. It would be a depth move, too, and not a 1st string for my team move which also adds to the risk.

I guess the ceiling is
• stays healthy
• commands ~60% share of high value touches
• Gets resigned in 2024

In that context it’s potentially worthwhile.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

I get it. I just hate to give up '25 assets for someone who I'm not certain will be productive in '25.

That is the risk. It would be a depth move, too, and not a 1st string for my team move which also adds to the risk.

I guess the ceiling is
• stays healthy
• commands ~60% share of high value touches
• Gets resigned in 2024

In that context it’s potentially worthwhile.

Again, risk/reward. Hurts limits goal line touches. Injury risk. 1 year deal. Depth piece for your roster. For me, the risk outweighs the possible reward for your circumstances.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I get it. I just hate to give up '25 assets for someone who I'm not certain will be productive in '25.

That is the risk. It would be a depth move, too, and not a 1st string for my team move which also adds to the risk.

I guess the ceiling is
• stays healthy
• commands ~60% share of high value touches
• Gets resigned in 2024

In that context it’s potentially worthwhile.

Again, risk/reward. Hurts limits goal line touches. Injury risk. 1 year deal. Depth piece for your roster. For me, the risk outweighs the possible reward for your circumstances.

I guess one could see the “reward” as an X% chance that a 24 year old super talented RB gets resigned to be the starting RB (or at least the big half of a committee) for a top NFL offense in 2024 & go on to a long and storied career.

Or a shorter term reward is that he could have a very good fantasy season, used by a very creative coach in creative ways, finally playing through minor injuries because he’s in a contract year.

What’s a 2023 equivalent value to a 2025 1st? A late 2nd round pick?

 

[smbkrypt24]

I get it. I just hate to give up '25 assets for someone who I'm not certain will be productive in '25.

That is the risk. It would be a depth move, too, and not a 1st string for my team move which also adds to the risk.

I guess the ceiling is
• stays healthy
• commands ~60% share of high value touches
• Gets resigned in 2024

In that context it’s potentially worthwhile.

Again, risk/reward. Hurts limits goal line touches. Injury risk. 1 year deal. Depth piece for your roster. For me, the risk outweighs the possible reward for your circumstances.

I guess one could see the “reward” as an X% chance that a 24 year old super talented RB gets resigned to be the starting RB (or at least the big half of a committee) for a top NFL offense in 2024 & go on to a long and storied career.

Or a shorter term reward is that he could have a very good fantasy season, used by a very creative coach in creative ways, finally playing through minor injuries because he’s in a contract year.

What’s a 2023 equivalent value to a 2025 1st? A late 2nd round pick?

Not to most. If anyone truly makes a habit of selling future 1sts 2 years out for a current year late second that is a terrible strategy.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Not to most. If anyone truly makes a habit of selling future 1sts 2 years out for a current year late second that is a terrible strategy.

No, I’m asking the question, not making a statement.

anyway, I’m on the fence. I could probably get Miles Sanders for a 2025 2nd.

I just feel like I need more depth at RB.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

What are your thoughts about his role in PHI?

The opportunity is in front of him to be the lead member of a RBBC, putting up solid RB2 numbers with upside while being put in a position to rehab his value heading into free agency.

If he falters he could flame out to a point he's not got a role with a team that gives you much confidence.

He controls his destiny, huge year for him.

I think imma float the offer tomorrow.

Man - I spent 2.5 years trying to deal him away in one league, finally did, and going back in at a discount in a different league feels dirty.

It’s such a gamble. But hey

lol

@rockaction @barackdhouse @Dez @Birdie048

Your thoughts? Pay a 2025 1st for Swift or nah?

No one else in my league is selling RB! Someone talk me onto or off of the ledge!

I guess I have Mattison as my RB4, but at the moment it doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.

Same dude has Jamaal Williams (28) Cam
Akers (), McKinnon, & Foreman available.

Not sure I want to invest in any of those dudes.

 

[JohnnyU]

What are your thoughts about his role in PHI?

The opportunity is in front of him to be the lead member of a RBBC, putting up solid RB2 numbers with upside while being put in a position to rehab his value heading into free agency.

If he falters he could flame out to a point he's not got a role with a team that gives you much confidence.

He controls his destiny, huge year for him.

I think imma float the offer tomorrow.

Man - I spent 2.5 years trying to deal him away in one league, finally did, and going back in at a discount in a different league feels dirty.

It’s such a gamble. But hey

lol

@rockaction @barackdhouse @Dez @Birdie048

Your thoughts? Pay a 2025 1st for Swift or nah?

No one else in my league is selling RB! Someone talk me onto or off of the ledge!

I guess I have Mattison as my RB4, but at the moment it doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.

Same dude has Jamaal Williams (28) Cam
Akers (), McKinnon, & Foreman available.

Not sure I want to invest in any of those dudes.

I wouldn’t

 

[Ilov80s]

Thinking about the ETN ceiling talk and IDK, maybe we shouldn't even say stuff like that. Cooper Kupp was considered the definition of a high floor, low ceiling player after a few years of his career and then he went prime Jerry Rice mode for 1.5 seasons. It does of course take the right confluence of circumstances but once we know a player is good, I don' think we can be very sure about who has a high end ceiling and who doesn't.

 

[Ilov80s]

What are your thoughts about his role in PHI?

The opportunity is in front of him to be the lead member of a RBBC, putting up solid RB2 numbers with upside while being put in a position to rehab his value heading into free agency.

If he falters he could flame out to a point he's not got a role with a team that gives you much confidence.

He controls his destiny, huge year for him.

I think imma float the offer tomorrow.

Man - I spent 2.5 years trying to deal him away in one league, finally did, and going back in at a discount in a different league feels dirty.

It’s such a gamble. But hey

lol

@rockaction @barackdhouse @Dez @Birdie048

Your thoughts? Pay a 2025 1st for Swift or nah?

No one else in my league is selling RB! Someone talk me onto or off of the ledge!

I guess I have Mattison as my RB4, but at the moment it doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.

Same dude has Jamaal Williams (28) Cam
Akers (), McKinnon, & Foreman available.

Not sure I want to invest in any of those dudes.

I would not send a 1st for Swift, even if it is a 25. I might try to get a 2 cheaper, 1 year rental type backs. I just don't trust Swift.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I would not send a 1st for Swift, even if it is a 25. I might try to get a 2 cheaper, 1 year rental type backs. I just don't trust Swift.

That’s probably what I’ll do.

The age and talent are just so tantalizing though.

 

[menobrown]

I would not send a 1st for Swift, even if it is a 25. I might try to get a 2 cheaper, 1 year rental type backs. I just don't trust Swift.

That’s probably what I’ll do.

The age and talent are just so tantalizing though.

I'm disappointed for you.

 

[Ilov80s]

I would not send a 1st for Swift, even if it is a 25. I might try to get a 2 cheaper, 1 year rental type backs. I just don't trust Swift.

That’s probably what I’ll do.

The age and talent are just so tantalizing though.

Yeah, I get it. Maybe I am a jaded Lions fan.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I would not send a 1st for Swift, even if it is a 25. I might try to get a 2 cheaper, 1 year rental type backs. I just don't trust Swift.

That’s probably what I’ll do.

The age and talent are just so tantalizing though.

I'm disappointed for you.

You’re literally the only one who wants me to go for this so far!

The possibility of paying a 2025 1st for swift when he might not have a job in 2025 is also a little concerning though.

Agh why is this so hard (uh, phrasing?)

 

[rockaction]

The question is will Swift hold his value? Right now, he's at about a late first-round pick. What will 2023 bring? Do you believe in the player? If you do, and you're not just desperate, a 2025 isn't that much to pay. If he holds his value at all, you win the deal and get use of the player.

Will he get signed beyond this year, though?

I'm personally not a believer in the player and I think his value goes further south in Philly, where they don't throw to RBs and expect you to run between the tackles. That's all I got for you.

 

[Ilov80s]

I would not send a 1st for Swift, even if it is a 25. I might try to get a 2 cheaper, 1 year rental type backs. I just don't trust Swift.

That’s probably what I’ll do.

The age and talent are just so tantalizing though.

I'm disappointed for you.

You’re literally the only one who wants me to go for this so far!

The possibility of paying a 2025 1st for swift when he might not have a job in 2025 is also a little concerning though.

Agh why is this so hard (uh, phrasing?)

It's definitely a win now, lose later situation. Chances of Swift being worth a 1st in 2025 are like 2%.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Thinking about the ETN ceiling talk and IDK, maybe we shouldn't even say stuff like that. Cooper Kupp was considered the definition of a high floor, low ceiling player after a few years of his career and then he went prime Jerry Rice mode for 1.5 seasons. It does of course take the right confluence of circumstances but once we know a player is good, I don' think we can be very sure about who has a high end ceiling and who doesn't.

True, but we can look at their metrics. Being hyper efficient can be telling for a larger workload. And ETN’s college profile also seems to point to there being a next level he can reach.

Part of the knock on ETN seems to be more of the perception that he hasn’t done that much in the 2 years he’s played where season 1 was lost to injury.

So that jaded view that he should have broken out by now is fueled by a bit of a fallacy. If we look at year 2 as his rookie season, he was pretty productive.

I remain bullish.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm personally not a believer in the player and I think his value goes further south in Philly, where they don't throw to RBs and expect you to run between the tackles. That's all I got for you.

It’s much appreciated, thank you for the input.

 

[menobrown]

I would not send a 1st for Swift, even if it is a 25. I might try to get a 2 cheaper, 1 year rental type backs. I just don't trust Swift.

That’s probably what I’ll do.

The age and talent are just so tantalizing though.

I'm disappointed for you.

You’re literally the only one who wants me to go for this so far!

The possibility of paying a 2025 1st for swift when he might not have a job in 2025 is also a little concerning though.

Agh why is this so hard (uh, phrasing?)

It's definitely a win now, lose later situation. Chances of Swift being worth a 1st in 2025 are like 2%.

I think the odds of him being worth a 2024 first next year as 50/50.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Chances of Swift being worth a 1st in 2025 are like 2%.

That’s the rub.

(Again, title of my sex tape )

 

[Ilov80s]

Thinking about the ETN ceiling talk and IDK, maybe we shouldn't even say stuff like that. Cooper Kupp was considered the definition of a high floor, low ceiling player after a few years of his career and then he went prime Jerry Rice mode for 1.5 seasons. It does of course take the right confluence of circumstances but once we know a player is good, I don' think we can be very sure about who has a high end ceiling and who doesn't.

True, but we can look at their metrics. Being hyper efficient can be telling for a larger workload. And ETN’s college profile also seems to point to there being a next level he can reach.

Part of the knock on ETN seems to be more of the perception that he hasn’t done that much in the 2 years he’s played where season 1 was lost to injury.

So that jaded view that he should have broken out by now is fueled by a bit of a fallacy. If we look at year 2 as his rookie season, he was pretty productive.

I remain bullish.

You don't have to sell me on ETN. There has been no louder fan of him than me.

 

[Ilov80s]

I would not send a 1st for Swift, even if it is a 25. I might try to get a 2 cheaper, 1 year rental type backs. I just don't trust Swift.

That’s probably what I’ll do.

The age and talent are just so tantalizing though.

I'm disappointed for you.

You’re literally the only one who wants me to go for this so far!

The possibility of paying a 2025 1st for swift when he might not have a job in 2025 is also a little concerning though.

Agh why is this so hard (uh, phrasing?)

It's definitely a win now, lose later situation. Chances of Swift being worth a 1st in 2025 are like 2%.

I think the odds of him being worth a 2024 first next year as 50/50.

You are way more bullish on Swift than I. Teams don't give up on cheap players like this. That is a big warning flare we should not ignore.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You are way more bullish on Swift than I. Teams don't give up on cheap players like this. That is a big warning flare we should not ignore.

That the Eagles only paid a 4th does concern me.

 

[Ilov80s]

You are way more bullish on Swift than I. Teams don't give up on cheap players like this. That is a big warning flare we should not ignore.

That the Eagles only paid a 4th does concern me.

and it's not even a 4th. They will likely get that 4th back in a comp pick when Swift leaves.

 

[menobrown]

I would not send a 1st for Swift, even if it is a 25. I might try to get a 2 cheaper, 1 year rental type backs. I just don't trust Swift.

That’s probably what I’ll do.

The age and talent are just so tantalizing though.

I'm disappointed for you.

You’re literally the only one who wants me to go for this so far!

The possibility of paying a 2025 1st for swift when he might not have a job in 2025 is also a little concerning though.

Agh why is this so hard (uh, phrasing?)

It's definitely a win now, lose later situation. Chances of Swift being worth a 1st in 2025 are like 2%.

I think the odds of him being worth a 2024 first next year as 50/50.

You are way more bullish on Swift than I. Teams don't give up on cheap players like this. That is a big warning flare we should not ignore.

Different regime and they had Gibbs. Pasted an article in this very thread detailing how Eagles stole other players for cheap that panned out. But yes, we can agree that we disagree on Swift.

 

[Birdie048]

What are your thoughts about his role in PHI?

The opportunity is in front of him to be the lead member of a RBBC, putting up solid RB2 numbers with upside while being put in a position to rehab his value heading into free agency.

If he falters he could flame out to a point he's not got a role with a team that gives you much confidence.

He controls his destiny, huge year for him.

I think imma float the offer tomorrow.

Man - I spent 2.5 years trying to deal him away in one league, finally did, and going back in at a discount in a different league feels dirty.

It’s such a gamble. But hey

lol

@rockaction @barackdhouse @Dez @Birdie048

Your thoughts? Pay a 2025 1st for Swift or nah?

No one else in my league is selling RB! Someone talk me onto or off of the ledge!

I guess I have Mattison as my RB4, but at the moment it doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.

Same dude has Jamaal Williams (28) Cam
Akers (), McKinnon, & Foreman available.

Not sure I want to invest in any of those dudes.

YES. Mid-Late 2025 1st for Swift is a good effort for your RB4.
--> I saw this and it prompted me to make an offer for a late 2024 1st for Swift & Juju (he wants both gone).
I am asking for a little something back since he wants them gone.... late 3rd?

Swift is 24 yo and has the physical tools to be fantasy relevant. Not a Bell Cow RB, but 12-15 touches show he can be valuable.
He played in 13 games in 2022 at 7 carries + 5 targets per game --> 12 touches a game at ~ 12 pts per game average (0.5PPR)
Penny is 27 and has limited appearances, but showed the potential on why he was a 1st round pick (efficient!)
Penny ran a 4.46 x 40 yard dash in 2018 while Swift ran 4.48 in 2020 .... both have juice, but Swift has more "wiggle" hips IMO.

Scott & Hurts are still the primary GL carriers.
Most projections have Swift >150 carries & > 60 targets in Phil. That is close to Top 24 value - good RB3 option.

 

[Birdie048]

Add in the fact Philly has Gainwell (5th round pick in 2021), Trey Sermon (SF 3rd) and Boston Scott (6th in 2018).
I don't see Philly keeping the 6 RBs in house - Sermon was cheap, Swift was cheap, and Penny is a 1 year cheap deal.
Philly does not pay much for RB - just ask Miles Sanders.
Low budget RB Room. All 6 RB's in Philly today < Sanders $$