JohnnyU
Footballguy
Waaay too much
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Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (15 Viewers)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d be unlikely to pay a 3rd. Better to draft a 3rd round RB who’s ~10 years younger.
But I could see paying a mid-4th for the 1-year rental if one needed RB depth & was in a win-now window.
That’s about where the rookie pick < McKinnon
I don't see him as a spot starter necessarily. You never really know when he will break one to be worthwhile so you are likely not playing him when he scores enough to be useful. He is the type of guy you resort to in season if everything goes wrong and you are desperate. If you are getting him now what is your RB room like and who are you dropping to give him a roster spot? That matters in this equation.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
A-men brother Bill
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don’t disagree with any of this.
Was considering making an offer in my league where I have Bijan, ETN, AJD, Mattison and a whole bunch of scrubs
I actually wouldn’t need to drop anyone as I have a couple of open bench spots.
I ended up not making an offer though - I was just looking at him as emergency depth / potential mid-season trade add-on to flip after a big performance
FFPC rookie drafts also allow you to select free-agent vets. In FFPC Triflex leagues (superflex, 10 starters, no K or defense), McKinnon was available in 80 leagues and had a rookie ADP of 4.05.
farfromforgotten
Footballguy
In regards to McKinnon - I’m a fan of his for this year. Following the Chiefs bye in week 8 he saw a whopping 51 targets in the receiving game, turning 7 of them into TDs. I don’t know for sure but I’m guessing those targets were close to being second on the team after Kelce during that stretch. None of their current WRs keep me from believing that he won’t see similar usage this upcoming season. Pacheco doesn’t offer anything in the passing game.
Edit: in the one league where I have him I’m thankful that he returned to KC. I have Jacobs locked into one spot but a revolving door at the second spot and I won’t be surprised if it’s occupied by Jerrick for most of the season. Guy won me or was a part of helping me win several games late last year, accumulating 109.75 total pts over the final 5.
Edit: in the one league where I have him I’m thankful that he returned to KC. I have Jacobs locked into one spot but a revolving door at the second spot and I won’t be surprised if it’s occupied by Jerrick for most of the season. Guy won me or was a part of helping me win several games late last year, accumulating 109.75 total pts over the final 5.
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InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
As a contender, I wouldn't give him up for a 4th. I'd need a 3rd or better package to let him go. 4ths and to a lesser extent 3rds are jist slightly better than dart throws and I'd rather have his production than that.
If I'm rebuilding, then sure. A 3rd/4th might give me another warm body to fill out the roster during the lean times.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Dynasty startup IDP PPR SF
1.01 + 5.16 + 9.16
for
1.07 + 2.10 + 11.10
Would you do it? Multi-tier drop-off from Mahomes to [TLaw/Fields] but that extra 2nd tho.
1.01 + 5.16 + 9.16
for
1.07 + 2.10 + 11.10
Would you do it? Multi-tier drop-off from Mahomes to [TLaw/Fields] but that extra 2nd tho.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Dynasty startup IDP PPR SF
1.01 + 5.16 + 9.16
for
1.07 + 2.10 + 11.10
Would you do it? Multi-tier drop-off from Mahomes to [TLaw/Fields] but that extra 2nd tho.
I feel like this is like that other thread where I was saying the team trading up in startup drafts usually wins once you plug the players in.
1.07+2.10 for 1.01+5.16 SOUNDS good.
If you plug in the players via ADP is Lawrence+Kelce for Mahomes+MIles Sanders which seems like a terrible return for Mahomes.
Granted you don't have to take Kelce and guys like Olave or Tua would be there but still seems awfully light to downgrade from Mahomes to Lawrence.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
What if it was 1.01 + 7.16 + 9.16Dynasty startup IDP PPR SF
1.01 + 5.16 + 9.16
for
1.07 + 2.10 + 11.10
Would you do it? Multi-tier drop-off from Mahomes to [TLaw/Fields] but that extra 2nd tho.
I feel like this is like that other thread where I was saying the team trading up in startup drafts usually wins once you plug the players in.
1.07+2.10 for 1.01+5.16 SOUNDS good.
If you plug in the players via ADP is Lawrence+Kelce for Mahomes+MIles Sanders which seems like a terrible return for Mahomes.
Granted you don't have to take Kelce and guys like Olave or Tua would be there but still seems awfully light to downgrade from Mahomes to Lawrence.
For 1.07 + 2.10 + 12.10?
What about adding their ‘24 1st and my 24 2nd?
That 7.16 is also a pretty sweet spot for IDP. So’s 9.16 now that I think about it.
ETA what sort of offer would you consider for the 1.0Mahomes?
gah. Maybe I’ll just take Mahomes. You make an excellent point.
I can also draft, then trade Mahomes after the draft I guess. Not like he’ll lose value. Might could get a couple players I like + future picks.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Not if you have to give up the 5thDynasty startup IDP PPR SF
1.01 + 5.16 + 9.16
for
1.07 + 2.10 + 11.10
Would you do it? Multi-tier drop-off from Mahomes to [TLaw/Fields] but that extra 2nd tho.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
What about 1.07+2.10+12.10Not if you have to give up the 5thDynasty startup IDP PPR SF
1.01 + 5.16 + 9.16
for
1.07 + 2.10 + 11.10
Would you do it? Multi-tier drop-off from Mahomes to [TLaw/Fields] but that extra 2nd tho.
For
1.01+7.16+9.16?
What if my 2024 2nd was added and their 2024 1st was added?
Too much?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sigh. I may just take Mahomes. It’s hard to drop 3 tiers at QB, even for an extra 2nd & a future 1st.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I went ahead and took Mahomes.
Appreciate the advice from SP.
In the fever of the draft that extra 2nd (Waddle/ARSB/Smith) sounds sexy and all, but teams 5-6-7 didn’t want to trade up, and teams 14-15 were making offers, but then I’d be moving way past where I wanted to go.
Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don’t make.
League Champion
Footballguy
I picked him up pretty late in Dynasty drafts. He's definitely a nice piece. Are you trading for him or drafting?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Was considering dealing for him, but manager is new to the league & new to dynasty so overvaluing a 31 y/o on a 1 year deal.
I didn’t need the depth so bad as to overpay for a rental.
League Champion
Footballguy
I think he's definitely worth a later round pick. He's going catch at least 4 balls a game for them. We have 7 round drafts and I picked him up mid 5th. I'm pretty happy with that (12 teams).
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I agree. But the new owner doesn’t want later picks.
And bonus, he has like 11 RB.
He’s a hoarder.
The worst part: I invited him to the league when the prior team owner bounced.
League Champion
Footballguy
I wouldn't give up too much then. He's more of a luxury, not a necessity.I agree. But the new owner doesn’t want later picks.
And bonus, he has like 11 RB.
He’s a hoarder.
The worst part: I invited him to the league when the prior team owner bounced.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Not that there is anything wrong with that.I agree. But the new owner doesn’t want later picks.
And bonus, he has like 11 RB.
He’s a hoarder.
The worst part: I invited him to the league when the prior team owner bounced.
- Jerry Seinfeld
Good move. I didn't like any of the pick trade scenarios. I would have kept the 1.01
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m now negotiating to move up to 1.15
Hoping i can get it done with 2024 picks + modest 2023 capital.
Who are you targeting with that pick?
I also assume that next year and beyond picks are just rookie players?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
BPA, but hoping for Dak, Lamb, AJB, (
) Watson - basically a QB2 or WR1. Maybe even pick 1.0Bijan if it’s there. Any are worth a future 1st+ IMO. Any player I’ve looked at in that range is one I’d pay that for outside of the draft.But it does violate that cardinal sin of dealing one’s future 1st during a start-up. If I can get back into the 1st though I think it’s a big competitive advantage to pick at 1, 15 & 32 & 48 as opposed to 1, 32 & 48.
Yes, 2024 picks & beyond are rookies
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
K, this is not a drill.
16 team SF IDP PP TE-P
I give
3.16, 8.01, 2024 1st, 2024 2nd
I get
1.15, 25.15
Would you do it? We’re at pick 7. I have no idea who’s going to be there.
I’d still have 2.16 & 4.01
The 3rd is basically a 4th (last pick in the round) and this is about the only way I land a 2nd QB or a top 5 WR.
Would you do it?
16 team SF IDP PP TE-P
I give
3.16, 8.01, 2024 1st, 2024 2nd
I get
1.15, 25.15
Would you do it? We’re at pick 7. I have no idea who’s going to be there.
I’d still have 2.16 & 4.01
The 3rd is basically a 4th (last pick in the round) and this is about the only way I land a 2nd QB or a top 5 WR.
Would you do it?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And now I have an offer for pick 7.
It’s a lot
It’s a lot
And now I have an offer for pick 7.
It’s a lot
What would be the net of dealing the 7 and then moving back up for the 15.
And if this the Mahomes league or a different one?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The Mahomes league.And now I have an offer for pick 7.
It’s a lot
What would be the net of dealing the 7 and then moving back up for the 15.
And if this the Mahomes league or a different one?
I declined to deal for the 1.07. It was just too much.
2.16, 4.01, 6.01, ‘24 1st, 24 2nd
For 1.07, 9.10, 13.10
It’s a full IDP, and TE-P.
To me it broke down like 2.16 = WR1-2, 4.01 = TE1 or WR2, 6.01 = elite IDP option
Plus a 241st & 2nd
Sure, maybe I can turn the 9+13 into a 7th but I’m still overpaying by ~30% on the deal, and hamstringing my draft too much for comfort.
Gonna try to deal that future 1st for a mid-to-late 2nd.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
*cracks fortune cookie*
“Don’t try to fill bye weeks in May”
*crunch crunch crunch*
I do like McKinnon because he has real value when on the field IMO. Just depends on what type of team I have as to what I’d pay. For instance, I have a loaded squad where he’d slide in as anywhere from RB 2-4. But that team is so good I only need him during the playoffs and I have no idea whether he will matter come weeks 15-17 as we sit here today. I’d spend a 3rd in theory right now but I’d rather wait and make sure I spend that on someone who can help me win at that point. I’d rather overpay with a 2nd in late November than a 3rd in May if that’s what it comes to.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Kinda cross posting -
Jakobi Meyers is being slept on. He's a much better real world wr2 finally not drawing top cbs, has a qb who loves to check down, can play all over the formation, and slides right into a situation where he already knows the system. Could easily see him with a high weekly floor finding his way into the top 20 ppr wrs.
Edit - more research, he's currently wr 50 on fantasy pros after finishing last year at 29 (and coincidently wr 29 in ppf receiving) while playing through injuries.
Jakobi Meyers is being slept on. He's a much better real world wr2 finally not drawing top cbs, has a qb who loves to check down, can play all over the formation, and slides right into a situation where he already knows the system. Could easily see him with a high weekly floor finding his way into the top 20 ppr wrs.
Edit - more research, he's currently wr 50 on fantasy pros after finishing last year at 29 (and coincidently wr 29 in ppf receiving) while playing through injuries.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Jacobi Meyers is like Broccoli, you know he could be good for you, but you hate it anyway and take as little of it as you can get away with.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Decided against it.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Absolutely not.In my 16 team startup (Full IDP, PPR SF TE-P) I have this in my inbox waiting for acceptance:
Dak + 20.14 for 2.16+4.01+2023 3rd
If I do this, I’d have Mahomes+Dak+Lamb, but wouldn’t pick until 5.16/6.01
I was planning on TE at 4.01 and IDP at 5/6 turn. Losing those picks is tough.
Man this is a tough call.
Help!
As in, do not do that
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’ve decided it’s too much.Absolutely not.In my 16 team startup (Full IDP, PPR SF TE-P) I have this in my inbox waiting for acceptance:
Dak + 20.14 for 2.16+4.01+2023 3rd
If I do this, I’d have Mahomes+Dak+Lamb, but wouldn’t pick until 5.16/6.01
I was planning on TE at 4.01 and IDP at 5/6 turn. Losing those picks is tough.
Man this is a tough call.
Help!
As in, do not do that
That said, 2.04 is tempting to deal for wiTH AJB stil on the board.
League Champion
Footballguy
That is so true!
wgoldsph
Footballguy
What a great analogy. Time to eat your broccoli everyone!
Birdie048
Footballguy
What about Rookie TE Mayer taking the short route targets? Yeah, Rookie TEs take time but Mayer is a mature player and can do all the route tree maneuvers needed to make an impact.
Meyers & Mayers => Spell check nightmare
I like Meyers but NEP OC was a disaster and LVR are little better. If they utilize their skill players, potential is there
dipandglide
Footballguy
Is there a big gap between Young and Stroud in Superflex? If so, what's the gap?
I personally believe there is. Young looks and feels the part. I'm not sold on Stroud.
I personally believe there is. Young looks and feels the part. I'm not sold on Stroud.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Stroud looks the part. Young feels the part.
If you could put Young’s brain into Stroud’s body you’d have one hell of a QB.
That said, Stroud’s Peach Bowl game looked legit AF, and I still think he’s going to be a solid pro who might just suck at video game tests.
Young is amazing but I’d be holding my breath every time he gets hit.
rockaction
Footballguy
Traded him and Gerald Everett for David Njoku at the end of the year this year when I needed a TE desperately. I'd always coveted Njoku.
I think Adams is going to draw a lot of targets, though, so I'd temper expectations on Meyers. Not sure what Jimmy G brings to the equation. I'm not sure he's even a checkdown guy, despite popular sentiments to the contrary.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He’s not, but he is a tight end guy. It’s a good observation - JimmyG is more of a “call what the coach drew up” guy. He makes his reads, but from what I’ve seen, he will sometimes force it into coverage rather than check down to the open receiver. Many of those “oh no what is you doing, Jimmy?!” Ints are the direct result.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
If you look at Kittle's numbers for his career with Jimmy G and without he's better without. With - 227 catches, 2888 yards (about 13ypc), 16 tds, in 45 games he started. Without - 149 catches, 2049 yards (about 13.75 ypc), 18 tds, in 29 games.
He does however make a handful of bone headed "what are you doing???" throws a game, and I can see him fluttering a bunch of balls into double coverage trying to hit Adams. You also need to remember, Adams would completely disappear from the game plan for long stretches of time last season for Mack Hollins because McDumbass is a terrible coach and thinks he's got galaxy brain.
rockaction
Footballguy
Tebow in the first because of intangibles.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s nuts - I never woulda guessed that. Just seemed to have a knack for the big play with Kittle.
Come to think of it I frequently remember asking out loud, “keep doing that! Why aren’t you throwing to little more when it works like that?!” so I guess that’s checks out.
Spot on here too.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Tebow did win a playoff game with the power of Jesus, so maybe mcd was on to something.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
To this day that’s one of the most unlikely upsets I’ve ever seen. Just a completely bonkers ending to that game.
I still barely believe it happened - it seems even less likely in hindsight
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
How are we feeling about Jordan Love at/around ADP (59) in a SF startup these days?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
@Joe Bryant
I’m doing a dynasty start-up now and also wondering if this is an available tool with one of the subscriptions?
