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You know I've always liked your insight and respected your opinions around here.as a Jets fan.
Way to ruin it.
You know I've always liked your insight and respected your opinions around here.as a Jets fan.
Why? I'm the one who has to suffer.You know I've always liked your insight and respected your opinions around here.
Way to ruin it.
Well what do I know? Production is production, to some extent. I will say I saw Carolina lining Funchess up tight to the formation (as if he was in a slot location) numerous times even when he was the only receiver to that side of the field. I certainly don't think that can hurt.JFS171 said:I'll be watching Funchess closely tonight. At the time of the trade, I thought Kelvin was twice the receiver Funchess was on the outside. Funchess in the slot can win consistently much like Marques Colston used to do, but Carolina doesn't like to use Funchess there (which has been rather frustrating as a fan). Funchess' emergence this year was largely due to Olsen's injury opening up slot targets for him, though he still played some on the outside.
Funchess is quite slow, and I'm skeptical he can win consistently outside (which is why the trade of Benjamin frustrated me so much). I agree Carolina needed more speed on the field, but I thought that could've been accomplished with Benjamin on one side, Samuel on the other, and Funchess in the slot full time. Instead, they're more likely to run a lot of 2 TE down the stretch with Olsen and Dickson and Funchess on the outside.
While I'm skeptical of Funchess in the long run for this very reason (inability to consistently win on the outside), I'm also skeptical Marty Hurney is smart enough to change anything next year from a personnel standpoint, and I'm afraid Carolina keeps the same coaching staff in place which may not benefit Funchess in the long term either.
I believe if put in the slot, Funchess would be an above average NFL WR, and if force fed targets like Colston once was, I think Funchess could be pretty productive. I'm less convinced of that on the outside, but I'm also less convinced this regime will acknowledge that. Thus, we're left with a less efficient player being force fed volume (I believe). How long does that last?
FWIW, I traded Funchess away for Fuller earlier this year because of everything I've outlined above, and while Fuller will likely always have drops and will never be the primary guy with Hopkins there, I think he's more consistently successful in beating his man, which I believe is most important in the long run.
Very nice list. Buying Fuller anywhere I can. He’s going pretty cheap compared to his potential imo. Love Kamara as well but he’s a hard buy right now. Guys aren’t selling from what I’ve seen.Concept Coop said:Here are a few guys I'm buying and selling right now.
Buying:
Alvin Kamara - Kamara is a hard guy to buy right now, but I still like him more than the market. I'd be willing to move guys like Gordon, Freeman, or Cooper for him.
Gerald Everett - I really liked Everett as a prospect, and his ceiling is high in the young and explosive Rams offense. He's the one guy I own in all of my leagues, as of last week.
Will Fuller - He really surprised me and has looked good this season. He's a tough cover with Hopkins getting so much attention. I'm buying at a discount now that Watson is out.
Selling:
Keenan Allen - I'm not convinced the NFL wasn't right to let him slip to the 3rd round. When Allen is out, his replacements put up pretty comparable numbers. He's looked completely ordinary this year. He's still getting by on his devy hype and a good rookie season.
Dez Bryant - I still think Dez is 90-95% of his 2014-self. I think he's a fantasy #1 in a number of other situations. But it's just not working with Dak. I wrote his early struggles off as the result of a brutal schedule, and expected his production to rise as the Cowboys O returned to form. It hasn't. He still has plenty of actual value, but it doesn't measure up to his name value.
Marcus Mariota - I was really high on Mariota at one point, but am starting to wonder if he's a better NFL QB than fantasy asset. I think it's reasonable to expect more production through the air than he's provided to this point in his career. I'm not selling low, but would add a substantial piece to turn him into Wentz, Wilson, Dak, Rodgers, or Watson. I'd happily sell for a late 1st.
Def selling Allen and Dez........hate Mariota's situation but love the potential and his talent. Not high on the guys you are buying but to each his own. Like your sell list a lot though Def def trying to sell Dez right now......he's been a WR2 for almost 3 years but he's trading at WR1 prices in a lot of leagues.Concept Coop said:Here are a few guys I'm buying and selling right now.
Buying:
Alvin Kamara - Kamara is a hard guy to buy right now, but I still like him more than the market. I'd be willing to move guys like Gordon, Freeman, or Cooper for him.
Gerald Everett - I really liked Everett as a prospect, and his ceiling is high in the young and explosive Rams offense. He's the one guy I own in all of my leagues, as of last week.
Will Fuller - He really surprised me and has looked good this season. He's a tough cover with Hopkins getting so much attention. I'm buying at a discount now that Watson is out.
Selling:
Keenan Allen - I'm not convinced the NFL wasn't right to let him slip to the 3rd round. When Allen is out, his replacements put up pretty comparable numbers. He's looked completely ordinary this year. He's still getting by on his devy hype and a good rookie season.
Dez Bryant - I still think Dez is 90-95% of his 2014-self. I think he's a fantasy #1 in a number of other situations. But it's just not working with Dak. I wrote his early struggles off as the result of a brutal schedule, and expected his production to rise as the Cowboys O returned to form. It hasn't. He still has plenty of actual value, but it doesn't measure up to his name value.
Marcus Mariota - I was really high on Mariota at one point, but am starting to wonder if he's a better NFL QB than fantasy asset. I think it's reasonable to expect more production through the air than he's provided to this point in his career. I'm not selling low, but would add a substantial piece to turn him into Wentz, Wilson, Dak, Rodgers, or Watson. I'd happily sell for a late 1st.
What do you think is a good price? He is owned in all my leagues. The times I've gotten response to offers I get "I've owned him this long, I am holding." That was before the trade though. Not sure if the trade hurts or helps his value. I feel like I would have to give a 2nd and not willing to do that given the rookie QB next year will have more market value until they fail.Garoppolo - See what Matt Ryan did in this offense......Just pick him up off the WW in most leagues but if you have to trade for him it won't take much.
That's funny because I'd practically flip it around. Kamara is probably overvalued by the owner to me, just not a guy that I'd personally look to buy. Everett sure was a decent prospect and all but Goff doesn't feature TE's. I tend to disagree with people that it's more QB dependent than "scheme" dependent to feature a TE (Bradford is a great example that I like to use), so I'm not high on him. And Fuller I think just sucks that he's 1 dimensional and people will learn his trick and be useless in fantasy other than 1 or 2 bombs a year.Concept Coop said:Here are a few guys I'm buying and selling right now.
Buying:
Alvin Kamara - Kamara is a hard guy to buy right now, but I still like him more than the market. I'd be willing to move guys like Gordon, Freeman, or Cooper for him.
Gerald Everett - I really liked Everett as a prospect, and his ceiling is high in the young and explosive Rams offense. He's the one guy I own in all of my leagues, as of last week.
Will Fuller - He really surprised me and has looked good this season. He's a tough cover with Hopkins getting so much attention. I'm buying at a discount now that Watson is out.
Selling:
Keenan Allen - I'm not convinced the NFL wasn't right to let him slip to the 3rd round. When Allen is out, his replacements put up pretty comparable numbers. He's looked completely ordinary this year. He's still getting by on his devy hype and a good rookie season.
Dez Bryant - I still think Dez is 90-95% of his 2014-self. I think he's a fantasy #1 in a number of other situations. But it's just not working with Dak. I wrote his early struggles off as the result of a brutal schedule, and expected his production to rise as the Cowboys O returned to form. It hasn't. He still has plenty of actual value, but it doesn't measure up to his name value.
Marcus Mariota - I was really high on Mariota at one point, but am starting to wonder if he's a better NFL QB than fantasy asset. I think it's reasonable to expect more production through the air than he's provided to this point in his career. I'm not selling low, but would add a substantial piece to turn him into Wentz, Wilson, Dak, Rodgers, or Watson. I'd happily sell for a late 1st.
When targeting someone I like I try not to mention them by name because my league mates automatically tighten up and don't want to get rid of the player I'm interested in. I just casually ask if their is anybody on my team they are interested in and then mention I need a QB. QB class coming out is overrated imo. I would have no issue giving up a 2nd for Garoppolo.......What do you think is a good price? He is owned in all my leagues. The times I've gotten response to offers I get "I've owned him this long, I am holding." That was before the trade though. Not sure if the trade hurts or helps his value. I feel like I would have to give a 2nd and not willing to do that given the rookie QB next year will have more market value until they fail.
I'd favor the Goff/kelce side right now with Rodgers hurt and all. If it's TE premium then it's an even easier choice for me.Who would win in this deal?
A. Rodgers & Fuller for Goff & Kelce?
I'd like to sell him, but can't get value so he's a holdHow are folks feeling about Kelvin Benjamin moving forward? He'll be 27 this offseason, and Buffalo isn't exactly a pass-happy scheme. But, he should be the primary target in the passing game and a red zone threat as well. In some respects, getting rid of Tyrod may help, but uncertainty at QB can't be a good thing.
He seems to be very cheap right now, though I've yet to buy, and perhaps my assessment of the marketplace isn't accurate.
All reasonable points.That's funny because I'd practically flip it around. Kamara is probably overvalued by the owner to me, just not a guy that I'd personally look to buy. Everett sure was a decent prospect and all but Goff doesn't feature TE's. I tend to disagree with people that it's more QB dependent than "scheme" dependent to feature a TE (Bradford is a great example that I like to use), so I'm not high on him. And Fuller I think just sucks that he's 1 dimensional and people will learn his trick and be useless in fantasy other than 1 or 2 bombs a year.
Everyone is usually quick to dismiss Keenan but it's not very often a player has dramatic injuries and comes back the same as before right away. This time next year we'll be talking about him as the ppr goldmine that he has been when he becomes fully healthy both physically and mentally. Dez on the other hand I wouldn't necessarily buy as his owners probably still hold him to the highest standards, but if there is a frustrated owner that see's an aging WR that doesn't perform the way he probably should, I'd happily buy for a late 1st. Roughly the same price I see guys like DT go who falls into that same category if I were a contender. Totally agree on Mariota though. Probably a mid tiered QB at this point with potential to be more but probably best to use him to upgrade to a true stud.
I like Cohen as a buy also. What are you seeing in Trubisky? It's certainly hard to judge him when he doesn't have any weapons - so maybe it will come - but I'm not seeing anything special yet.Buying
Trubisky - He looks really good and that's in a terrible offense with only one decent weapon in the passing game and that guy is sitting on the sidelines most of the time (Cohen). You can get this guy off the WW in a lot of leagues of pay a late 2nd for him maybe even a 3rd.
Cohen - The current coaching staff doesn't know how to use him right. New staff coming in next year.......PPR gold if he's used like Chris Thompson in Washington. He's better than Thompson.......
Except all but Thomas are outproducing him handily. It's one thing to spend on a 1st on an older WR that is producing like a WR1 as Crabtree, Baldwin, and Tate are. Dez is a WR3 (WR27 ppg). I suppose it's possible he bounces back but we've been waiting on that a long time and Dak just does not seem like the right type of QB for Dez's skillset.Dez: I'm all for buying for a late 1st. I think he's in the Crabtree, Baldwin, Tate, Thomas tier, but his name value places him outside of it too often.
Trubisky was turning water into wine this past weekend.I like Cohen as a buy also. What are you seeing in Trubisky? It's certainly hard to judge him when he doesn't have any weapons - so maybe it will come - but I'm not seeing anything special yet.
He was a WR2 coming into last week, and it's hard to blame him (or Dak) for what happened on Sunday. I think we're seeing his floor and it's higher than a lot of the 26 guys ahead of him; same with his ceiling. I respect your call - I've certainly come around to your line of thinking on the matter in the last 4 weeks or so - but I still feel good buying him for a late 1st. If the connection with Dak doesn't improve, he's an affordable cut after next season. He's still very talented and would bounce back nicely in plenty of situations.Except all but Thomas are outproducing him handily. It's one thing to spend on a 1st on an older WR that is producing like a WR1 as Crabtree, Baldwin, and Tate are. Dez is a WR3 (WR27 ppg). I suppose it's possible he bounces back but we've been waiting on that a long time and Dak just does not seem like the right type of QB for Dez's skillset.
His trade value is predicated 100% on his name.
Unless you start two I wouldn’t give up two firsts for any qbAnyone have any DWatson deals?
Guy in my 14 team leagues wants 2 1sts for him.
Seems steep, but maybe U am wrong.
No, it's start 1. I own Luck, Big Ben, and Trubisky, but kicking tires on Watson as his owner #2 seed but only has Cutler and Tyrod so was lookng for Ben and 2 #1s for Watson and ESanders . Don't need Watson for that.Unless you start two I wouldn’t give up two firsts for any qb
As a Watkins owner, I think he's a hold but not a buy.Thoughts on Devante Parker and Sammy Watkins?
Prett even dynasty value at the moment IMO ... but they may be trending in opposite directions going forward.
Thinking now may be the time to buy Watkins.
This is where my bias comes into play but I'd never buy either guy unless it was for a 2nd round pick or something dirt cheap that I could flip right away. Parker is nothing without garbage time stat padding and Watkins I've never liked because he's all hype which leads to everyone constantly overvaluing him.Thoughts on Devante Parker and Sammy Watkins?
Prett even dynasty value at the moment IMO ... but they may be trending in opposite directions going forward.
Thinking now may be the time to buy Watkins.
I really like both of these players based on college evaluations of them.Thoughts on Devante Parker and Sammy Watkins?
Prett even dynasty value at the moment IMO ... but they may be trending in opposite directions going forward.
Thinking now may be the time to buy Watkins.
Personally I think you ripped him off in major way. Fournette’s an elite talent and Ajayi’s knees could go at any time.I see it the same as you, but I am high on Fournette so had to do it. I felt it was a fair deal. I'll try to move Fuller in the offseason. Still trying to work out a Kelce deal.
I'd hold if you have the roomWhat do you guys think about Quincy Enunwa. Was a likely breakout candidate this year (if possible on the Jets) after solid 2016, but neck injury. Just 25 and a free agent. Hanging on my dynasty WW...seems like a decent stash.
I sold him a few weeks ago for Clay/2nd (2TE league), so it might be the value of a late 1st but I highly doubt anyone would pay it. I was a contender but needed a TE, not a RB. As for future value I don't think he has much. I can easily see the Ravens bringing a RB in the draft to help that room. He's nothing special.What's the consensus on Alex Collins' value? The Collins owner in 1 of my PPR leagues wants a 2018 1st (Likely late & not as valuable as we do also have developmental picks) plus McGuire for him. Is that the norm on Collins trades?
I love Engram, but the gap between Kamara/Davis and Jones/Arob is so much greater than the extra 4 years Engram gives you over Kelce. Kelce and Kamara will be winning leagues this year.Engram is a future league winner. If i owned him he'd be completely untradable. The future TE landscape is so bare........it's Engram and then nobody......
Sigh. Good question.Why can't Derrick Henry beat out an old, gimpy Demarco Murray?
I've been a seller for a while. Was high on him coming out but i just haven't seen anything since he came in the league.Why can't Derrick Henry beat out an old, gimpy Demarco Murray?
Sadly I find myself in the same mentality. I only have him in one league and I'll hold, but while I was trying to acquire before the season, he's nowhere near my buy list now. But I'll still cheer for him (roll tide and go Titans!)I've been a seller for a while. Was high on him coming out but i just haven't seen anything since he came in the league.
I guess the answer is "minus".Derrick Henry in PPR...plus or minus a 2018 1st?
I'd still pay a late first, personally. Maybe even a mid most years, but I really like this draft class.I guess the answer is "minus".
His combine really surprised me. Some of his better runs really surprise me as well. He's more nimble than you would expect. He gets to his top gear faster than you would expect. He is a big target for defenders and he doesn't quite have the power his frame would suggest. But I do think he'd be a very solid 2 down back. But it's a huge red flag that they don't trust him in that role, and instead are opting for this version of Murray, who looks awful, even in short yardage situations.I've been a seller for a while. Was high on him coming out but i just haven't seen anything since he came in the league.
I do think Henry is better than Hyde who I ranked as a high tier two post NFL draft. To me they are close to the same talent level. I just like Henry a little bit more. Hyde obviously in a better situation to produce right now.I liked Henry a lot more than Hyde coming into the season. After acquiring Hyde as "icing" in a deal, I'm looking to flip. I go to propose a 1-for-1 swap, but just couldn't do it. Maybe the staff just doesn't see him as a top back?
I agree with you in a vacuum. If I were to make the move, I'd have to start Murray or Peterson until Freeman is back, and that scares me.I do think Henry is better than Hyde who I ranked as a high tier two post NFL draft. To me they are close to the same talent level. I just like Henry a little bit more. Hyde obviously in a better situation to produce right now.
It's also a little harder if you're not sure the pick will end up being 1.01. Right now there seems to be a pretty large dropoff, so there is the potential for disaster if you're giving guys like Cook/Mixon/Kamara for what you think will be the 1.01 and it ends up being 1.02. I could see Barkley over those guys, but I'd have all 3 well above the next best guy.Cook (who I like), Mixon, Kamara, and McCaffrey are all easy trades for Barkley IMO.
It's a little harder when you get to names like Fournette and Hunt though. I'd personally move Hunt.
I'm clearly a Barkley believer.
Agreed. I should have added "if I was guaranteed the #1 pick".It's also a little harder if you're not sure the pick will end up being 1.01. Right now there seems to be a pretty large dropoff, so there is the potential for disaster if you're giving guys like Cook/Mixon/Kamara for what you think will be the 1.01 and it ends up being 1.02. I could see Barkley over those guys, but I'd have all 3 well above the next best guy.
I'd move all of the rookie backs including Fournette for the 1.01, in a vacuum (If I didn't need the ROS production). There is a solid drop from the 1.01 to the 1.02, however. Thus, unless the pick is set in stone, I'm likely to hold onto Fournette, Kamara and Hunt. I'd move Mixon, McCaffrey and Cook if the pick had a good shot to be 1.01, but top 3 was certain.So getting to that point in the season where I've started seeing teams finally willing to move their 1sts next year. What would you pay for a shot at Barkley and/or Guice/Chubb, etc.? I know many were already slotting Barkley as a dynasty 1st rounder without knowing where he will go, is that still true with the downtick in production his last few games? How would we value him against this years rookie runners? Would you trade away an injured Cook (with McKinnon lighting it up), a disappointing Mixon or PPR machine but poor running McCaffrey? Obviously no one is trading away Fournette now, and Hunt/Kamara would probably be situational to even consider (if someone is out of the running.)