You'd sell him for a late 2018 1st round rookie pick?Depends on team needs & scoring. I own him in 1 league & don't need RB help there so I'd move him for upgrades elsewhere either alone or in a package
You'd sell him for a late 2018 1st round rookie pick?Depends on team needs & scoring. I own him in 1 league & don't need RB help there so I'd move him for upgrades elsewhere either alone or in a package
Depends on who is left at that pick & if they help me more than LandryYou'd sell him for a late 2018 1st round rookie pick?
Sounds right. His stock has risen with the departure of Cooks and now Edelman suspended, so it might not be that easy getting him right now.Price check on C.Hogan? PPR dynasty. I'd think 2019 2nd, possibly early depending on need.
Think Hogan is worth a late first. He should be a primary target of Brady this year and has flashed big time. Granted, he's missed time with injuries but he has produced when in the lineup.Price check on C.Hogan? PPR dynasty. I'd think 2019 2nd, possibly early depending on need.
I say 2nd rounderThink Hogan is worth a late first. He should be a primary target of Brady this year and has flashed big time. Granted, he's missed time with injuries but he has produced when in the lineup.
Agreed. He holds little value to me. My thoughts paraphrased from another thread:Pats Homer. I wouldn't pay more than late second for him. Certainly not a late first as has been suggested. He's at best a high upside WR2 but I'd feel shaky rolling him out there every week.
He'll have maybe two 110/1-2 weeks where he eats up busted coverage but then will ghost on you other weeks. Maybe his role changes with no Dola and he's more consistent but I just feel he's a WR3 or bye week guy.
Better options to be had in dyansty at these suggested prices.
That seems like a tremendously risky proposition. I'd save the late first for a more solid veteran WR like Crabtree or Thomas. Sure Cooks is gone, and Edelman is suspended (only for the first four weeks) but Hogan has had his injury historty and the Pats' target projections are not easy to predict. Maybe it's Jordan Matthews that steps up or Mitchell gets healthy....Think Hogan is worth a late first.
Britt and Dorsett are still lingering around, too.That seems like a tremendously risky proposition. I'd save the late first for a more solid veteran WR like Crabtree or Thomas. Sure Cooks is gone, and Edelman is suspended but Hogan has had his injury histories and the Pats' target projections are not easy to predict. Maybe it's Jordan Matthews that steps up or Mitchell gets healthy.
Agreed no way I give up a shot at Anthony Miller or Kirk for Hogan. Late 2nd maybe.That seems like a tremendously risky proposition. I'd save the late first for a more solid veteran WR like Crabtree or Thomas. Sure Cooks is gone, and Edelman is suspended (only for the first four weeks) but Hogan has had his injury historty and the Pats' target projections are not easy to predict. Maybe it's Jordan Matthews that steps up or Mitchell gets healthy.
I am a big Hogan fan...he is a quality WR but he is a much better real WR than fantasy WR...while it feels like he has better #'s he has not had more than 40 receptions or 700 yards in either season with the Pats...injuries are a part of that but at age 29 I would not even think of giving up a late first in dynasty for him...good bench player who can blow up any week but I would much rather roll the dice on a rookie who is still a blank slate...Think Hogan is worth a late first. He should be a primary target of Brady this year and has flashed big time. Granted, he's missed time with injuries but he has produced when in the lineup.
No one after the 4th pick is likely to help you more than Landry.Depends on who is left at that pick & if they help me more than Landry
People value players and picks differently. Go figure.I'm so sick of people saying "2nd" for literally a list of 100 players.... it just isn't true.
People are dumb if they pay a 2nd for Hogan in normal leagues, who at this point in his career is a roster clogger. He's a bye week filler. I see no reason to pay a 2nd round pick for someone like that. You can get guys like Agholor, Crowder, Tyrell Williams, (hell I even saw Marvin Jones go for a 2nd) for a 2nd round pick and you get youth and what seems to be an ascending player, rather than pay up for an almost 30 year old WR who hasn't topped 700 yards or more than 5 TD's in a season.People value players and picks differently. Go figure.
I don't see many scenarios where I would pay a second for him, but I surely wouldn't call some one that would "dumb". It's not like second round picks have a 100% hit rate. In this 2018 class the second round is pretty uninspiring once we get past 2.04 or so.People are dumb if they pay a 2nd for Hogan in normal leagues,
I know that, but that doesn't mean everyone is worth a 2nd either. Just a pet peeve of mine. I'm angry today forgive my rant ha.No-one takes a 3rd for any player. A 2nd is not that much to give up, considering that most 2nds are just dart throws. Just look at this year's draft.
All been there.I'm angry today forgive my rant ha.
I'm not sure why OBJ, who has been a top 3 PPG WR literally every season of his career, would be the one that has risk about having a down year next to a guy like Nuk who has had several actual down years.I haven’t seen much discussion about OBJ lately - just wanted to see what people’s views of him are for the next 2-3 years....as an owner I still put him in the top WR tier with Nuk and AB but I feel less than confident that he’s going to be as dominant as he has been with an ascending Engram, Shepard improving, the presence of Barkley and the vibe that they want to commit more to the run game (I know coaches always say this but Barkley gives them the opportunity to do so). There’s also the context extension issue in the background and you’d have to call him slightly injury prone at this point too?
Well OBJ has outscored those guys pretty handily so far, but the real advantage in a guy like him is that we can be pretty sure at this point that he's a HoF caliber player who will be an elite WR for a long time. Thomas/Adams by comparison might just be nothing more than the next Randall Cobb or Amari Cooper for all we know.I guess I’m not worried that he’ll produce but much of his appeal for me has been the advantage he’s given you in the past over opponents. Now, I do think that elite, difference making WRs in fantasy are becoming scarce so if he can stay close to previous production he’ll hold his value, but I’m starting to wonder whether production-wise he’ll clearly give you advantage over guys like Davante Adams and Michael Thomas. If he doesn’t then he’s probably overpriced in dynasty.
If you're sick of the constant worrying, a 3rd is really about all he's worth. I'd rather hold until he takes the field, knowing full well that he may never take the field.Tyler Eifert price check? Rookie pick wise? Would you take a 3rd or 4th or just hold? He's my TE4 right now with no immediate plans of using him.
Just read he may no be ready for training camp.
Unfortunately this is where we’re at. Our best hope is that he’ll have a breakout game and we’ll be able to sell before the next week’s game for which he’s likely to get injured!If you're sick of the constant worrying, a 3rd is really about all he's worth. I'd rather hold until he takes the field, knowing full well that he may never take the field.
I rate Allen much higher than Green at this point. If you can upgrade to Allen for Green+ I would happily do so.Thoughts on AJ Green? Is it time to sell if you can get Keenan Allen. He’ll be 30 in a month.
I'd guess most people will value Allen higher than Green.Thoughts on AJ Green? Is it time to sell if you can get Keenan Allen. He’ll be 30 in a month.
In a heartbeat. I'm not sure I wouldn't take Allen straight up in redraft, but giving me the extra 3 years is a no-brainer.Thoughts on AJ Green? Is it time to sell if you can get Keenan Allen. He’ll be 30 in a month.
What’s that last bit?All been there.
Get annoyed at of work -> go to SP for distraction -> get annoyed by dumb things in SP -> browse /r/fitgirls for better distraction
Wait, maybe that last part is just me.
There was a lot of discussion on him pre-draft compare/contrasting him to the 1.2 rookie pick. This was before Guice took a tumble in the real draft though. He seems to be valued significantly above AJG despite being only 6 months younger. Julio's team situation is much more stable though, whereas Dalton and his o'line struggled mightily last year. I do think he's a great sell high if you can get good value, even the slightest hiccup in his production and people are going to start noticing he turns 30 at the end of the season. Alternatively, if you can get him for a reasonable price, he can still be a difference maker for a team in the title hunt that can ride him until the wheels fall off and not worry about exit value. Only 3 TDs last year (2 in one game) is concerning though.What are people thinking about similarly aged Julio? I would take decent value right now and be glad for it.
Allen is an elite talent, and Goff/Benjamin are pretty much replacement level. Don't risk him coming to his senses, take the deal and work on securing a backup QB later.Would anyone trade Goff & K. Benjamin for Keenan Allen in PPR? I'd be left with Stafford as my only QB (Start 1). He has Brees & Tyrod. Hoping to get him to at least work a deal that sends Tyrod my way too.
FixedWould anyone NOT trade Goff & K. Benjamin for Keenan Allen in PPR?
LOL I took itAllen is an elite talent, and Goff/Benjamin are pretty much replacement level. Don't risk him coming to his senses, take the deal and work on securing a backup QB later.
I think just about anyone would do that. Allen is a top 10 WR and while I like Goff a lot QBs are easy to come by.Would anyone trade Goff & K. Benjamin for Keenan Allen in PPR? I'd be left with Stafford as my only QB (Start 1). He has Brees & Tyrod. Hoping to get him to at least work a deal that sends Tyrod my way too.
I would expect you would have to give more than just Green to get Allen. If you can get him in a straight up trade, that's a nobrainer.Gottabesweet said:Thoughts on AJ Green? Is it time to sell if you can get Keenan Allen. He’ll be 30 in a month.
In a startup I did in February, Julio went 19 overall and Green went 27.Zyphros said:Starting to think people are undervaluing AJ Green. I totally agree Allen > Green, but how low are people taking him in startup's right now? If he's going 3rd round or so, that seems like a no brainer to me. Has anyone seen cheap deals FOR Green or am I just behind in my ADP checks?
I can see that as around normal for Julio, but Green seems way low. Everything was out of sorts for the Bengals last year and Green was still a WR1 at the end of the year (finished WR11 in .5ppr). They are different kinds of players. Green is this years Gurley in my mind and it's not like he's that old either. Soon to be 30 but his game translates similar to Moss's I think in that he could easily play to 34 or beyond.In a startup I did in February, Julio went 19 overall and Green went 27.
Sure, Green's game could make it another 4 years, but what about Dalton, Marvin Lewis and the Bengals offensive line? Older players get punished in dynasty startups, but I think the reticence to draft Green is due to things that affect the team/situation.I can see that as around normal for Julio, but Green seems way low. Everything was out of sorts for the Bengals last year and Green was still a WR1 at the end of the year (finished WR11 in .5ppr). They are different kinds of players. Green is this years Gurley in my mind and it's not like he's that old either. Soon to be 30 but his game translates similar to Moss's I think in that he could easily play to 34 or beyond.
I could be way off, but I think I remember feeling like Moss was done mentally before he was physically, that he could have continued playing at a high level if he cared to, but he mailed it in. I could certainly be misremembering or could have been wrong about that at the time.Moss's last good season came at age 32. If Green ages as well as Moss then his last good season will be in 2020.