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I'm guessing regardless of roster needs either Hockenson or Fant has to go in that area, and I'm liking more WRs than RBs in that spot. I'd have to see where Love or Harris gets drafted/situation to consider either there though.
I'm probably wrong but I think he's just a camp body. I think everyone on the planet expects NE to draft Hock, Fant, or Smith
That doesn't preclude anything with ASJ though. NEP are the one place I would trust to put the guy to use if he has the chops. I'd love to have Aaron Hernandez at ASJ's current price.
Wes Welker had a lot of success, certainly more than Edelman, and arguably more than Moss in NE.
This is close to my position. I dont think he will be their te1 under any circumstance - he needs to be able to block to earn that position. Which makes him a rotational at best player. Likely camp body.
I used to think Wes was the second best WR in the Brady/Belichick era and the best slot receiver in that time span.
I agree with this, but I can understand some concern for KJ's 2019 season. There's a possibility that CJ Anderson Tolberts KJ's TDs and Riddick pulls a Woodhead on his targets. If that happens, KJ's value could decrease as the season progresses. Also, after ending last season injured, another injury could earn him the dreaded injury-prone label. So holding him does carry some risk.
I would disagree with all of this. Edelman isn't a top-10 overall WR while playing inside, if he played outside full time, he'd be even lower.
It'll be interesting to see where he goes in real drafts. He was going undrafted in redrafts I've seen with 300 players rostered. But until I see his new pricing or some dynasty trades, I'm guessing he's not in the over-hyped group yet. If any top 10 passing offense had a massive void at TE, I'd think ASJ signing there would've bumped his value. Given the Pats' previous history of rehabbing value in "lost cause" types, I think ASJ is likely worth a flyer. Brady is no longer a deep passer, so a big body like ASJ has potential for volume. He seemed to be getting his career on track, but then picked a bad location in free agency. Did anybody expect big things in JAX? So as far as I'm concerned, the guy still has his act together and is now in a TE friendly situation. He'll be 27 when the season starts. That's the age Kyle Rudolph was when he had his first season over 500 yards. Depending on the league and settings, I'd pay at least a 3rd for him if I needed TE help. If he makes it through camp and is poised to be a starter, I wouldn't fault anyone for paying a 2nd.
So true. They really are nothing but clickbait. There is nothing to be gleaned from them*.
I traded Tevin Coleman and the 1.10 for him a few weeks ago and would happily again.
I'd rather keep Shepard and Thomas. I know as we approach the draft, we talk ourselves into a lot of 2nd round picks, but statistically they are pretty much dart throws. Shepard and Ian Thomas may not be superstars, but they are both better than can be expected from 2nd round picks. I think, at least for this season without OBJ, that Shepard will be pretty close to WR24 and when Olsen retires, Ian Thomas looks like a potential top 10 TE. He came on strong last year as a rookie (25/246/2 in last 5 games).
Saw him go for the 1.02 in one of my leagues the day before the latest trouble.
I'm not as high on Thomas or Shepard, and might be higher on Gallup. I don't think Shepard is any lock to be ahead of Golden Tate or even Evan Engram in NY. I view Shepard and the 2.1 as about equal.
I think he was a much better receiver prospect coming out of school than any of the wideouts in this class. With that being said his situation is about as bad as it can be. An injury riddled QB and an old school run first mentality don’t spell FF success. I would probably pay a top 5 pick for him but I am not real high on this class. I am sure some of these guys will go on to be successful but trying to identify those is difficult this year (especially before the draft). I also have hopes that Corey keeps developing and at some point TEN turns into a marginal passing offense.
I would take this trade, I think it is slightly in your favor because of the 2020 pick.
I think I'd take that trade without the 2020 2nd... seems like an instant accept to me. several wrs at 2.1 I'd like better than Shepard, and Gallup is very under valued. did great with cooper and has less competition at wr. 2020 2nd is a bonus
This is obviously an extreme exception to the rule, but I got Kittle in the 6th round of a couple rookie drafts in FFPC (included cut FAs but still). I suppose Lindsay is another example, too. I'd have to check where he went but it was super late.
Huh. Kittle should have been on the radar in TE premium format. I think you got lucky there. Linday was likely undrafted in a lot leagues.
In just last two years of FFPC leagues I've drafted Kittle, Ian Thomas, and Herndon in 6th round or later along with Golladay and Cohen.
Yeah with 16 man cutdowns, roster spots are premium. Rarely do you have time to wait a season for a 6th round pick.
I know what you mean, but I was able to keep Kittle in the spots I drafted him. He looked good out of a pro style offense at Iowa, stud athletically, looked like he was going to be the starter. But I missed on a bunch of others. I had Herndon and cut him prematurely as well.
Can't speak for others but he was one of my favorites of last years class of WR's. Solid all across the board and I expect that offense to continue its leap forward since the Amari deal. Once he came aboard, Gallup could play his role rather comfortably, and he did well. No reason not to expect a 2nd year jump from a guy that came into the league at 22 and showed well. I get the reasons of concerns about Dak or feeding Zeke, but he was miscast as a #1 going into the year after they drafted him, solved that issue by trading for Amari, and then he started improving. If he were 24-25 coming into the league sure I would think he was capped as that, but he recently turned 23 with room to grow.
Not only have I cut Kittle but I also cut Kelce in an FFPC league. I'd had him on IR after using a third round pick on him and ran out of IR spots so cut him figuring if I drafted him in round 3 coming out of college then surely coming off a microfacture surgery I could redraft him in round 3 if not 4 but I never had a chance. These are hard things to get over for sure, I think of stuff like all the work on trades, value of first round picks and the such and that's basically just giving away multiple 1's.
No way that offense can support two startable wide receivers. Personally I think he's a compentant TE away from being rendered irrelevant completely. Dallas opened up a little bit last year and I think that's the direction they're headed, but they'll primarily be a between the hashmarks team as long as Dak is running things.
You're twisting my words. I said 2nd round picks are dart throws. I didn't say you can't hit with them. People have gone back and studied years of rookie drafts. If memory serves, second round picks have a 25% or lower hit rate. Early 1st round picks were close to 50%.
That's a pretty strong take for a player entering his 2nd season with a young QB, stud WR1 and ultra-stud RB. Yes, the offense rolls through Zeke, but they can (and probably will) be far more balanced than they have been the past two seasons.skinfanjon said:
I think you’re being a bit harsh on his situation. Who’d have thought Dalton’s Bengals could support two top 20 guys? If Gallup is the real deal - if he’s getting open regularly - he’ll score points.skinfanjon said:
I don’t think he does, which is why I believe skinfan was saying that he’s a competent TE away from being nonrelevant. I don’t think he’ll be nonrelevant, but if they add a better TE it’ll be all the more mouths to feed in an offense that doesn’t feed many mouths.
They had a couple competent TEs last year, in terms of receiving ability. They need better blocking from the position. And I think they’d love to cut Elliott’s targets by at least 25.
Jarwin, Schultz, and Swaim may be “competent” in the truest definition of the word, sure. I would say this, that trio is very easily replaceable by a TE that’s more of a threat for targets than guys of their caliber have been. And when (not if) that happens, that upgraded TE will be more of a threat for targets than they have collectively been.
Competent TE away, but they're likely not to address that issue. All of Jarwin, Swaim, and Shultz showed something last year and they re-signed Witten for his "leadership" not his pass catching skills. So I don't see that as a priority at all. Just saying if you don't think a 500 yard season on limited targets isn't a good start, then I think you're mistaken. If you expect offensive improvement, you're almost obligated to say Gallup will improve as well. There isn't anyone else. Beasley is gone and Witten should of stayed retired.skinfanjon said:
If Jarwin could block like Swaim, he’d be a very promising prospect and the Cowboys would be set. I agree that the TE group is a mess, but only because they don’t have one complete guy who can get open, catch, and block. So yes, it will be easily for Dallas to drastically improve the position, but it won’t be so easy to drastically improve the receiving aspect of the position.
It would be interesting to see if they were really running out of the same formations and against the same sized boxes. Also keep in mind that Freeman was dealing with a HAS. As a loose rule of thumb, I always buy players coming off a high ankle sprain. They always perform poorly when they return from injury in-season and people always attribute it to a lack of skill.
The stacked box rate was about the same for both guys - and both guys got most of their work on 1st and 2nd down. From what I remember watching, they were used similarly.
I feel you. I was able to offload him in one league for a good deal but can't give him away in another.
