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Just don't see it for an older QB. Looking around my leagues, which are all start 1 QB, and everyone already has a serviceable QB. Such in influx of talent at the position in recent years... Tough to see someone giving up their first.
I agree. I wouldn't give more than a mid 2nd for Rodgers and the only reason I would give that for a player his age is because he's still good and should be for a few more years, but I would only be interested if I had a win-now team with a need at QB. However, more importantly as you mentioned - there's probably very few teams that might have any interest at all in him. Even those 1 or 2 teams are probably looking at this year's draft, where there could be 5 QBs go in the 1st round, and thinking they would rather spend that 2nd on one of the rookies.
I own Golladay. The Waller owner said he was on the block for a solid WR. I didn’t even think of offering Golladay for him. I am sure I’m overvaluing what I have and undervaluing what I don’t have (normal behavior), but yours is a very good offer for Waller IMO.Helaire-ious said:
I sold Thomas for a mid 3rd just before the semi-finals to a contending team who desperately needed a TE. I have Kittle along with OJ Howard, Albert O, and Blake Jarwin, so a few upside guys...maybe.
Thomas is one of those guys where if you dont have one of the top 4-5 guys, you should prolly be attempting to buy even if it seems somewhat steep right now. If nothing else you can flip him post draft or in camp next year when whatever new qb they bring in looks promising. His value is likely only going up moving forward unless a major injury occurs. He is in a situation similar to Kelce or Waller where he is the 1A or B option for targets most weeks. Thats hard to find for cheap out of a te
The thing with dealing Thomas is what are you replacing him? My guess is if you flip him the return will be marginal at best due to his age and the worry he's a one year wonder...if you have two other quality TEs than I get cashing out on a guy you may have got off of waivers this year...yet, if you deal him and don't have other quality TEs you may have to pay more than what you got for him to replace and in the short-term you may not have upgraded...TE is a position you really need to take a good look at what's out there because it's not much and if you're not careful you can give your starting line-up a black hole.
People might want to sell if they are listening to Adam Schefter. He said a landing spot for Cam Newton could be Washington. Ugh.
I try to avoid trading for RB2 types this time of year. You don’t lose anything by waiting to see how the draft and FA play out. TB could add a significant piece - to supplement and/or eventually replace him. He’s a UFA after next season, and teams often look to secure replacements a year early.
His buying price last year was probably more like a late 2nd/early 3rd though so that was a different conversation.
That would be gross tbh. That would be the risk you take I suppose. I think its more likely than not that they look to free agency to address the qb situation there. If so, there are a couple people that I could see getting a short term deal and it not being a total disaster for the other fantasy options in Washington;
Anecdotal, but by the end of most seasons I consistently accumulate several interesting but not trustworthy tight ends. As rookie drafts near and those without reliable tight ends (most competitors) realize it they suddenly become interested in acquiring tight ends. I decide the couple I want to bet on, sell off the others, then as the next few months pass by accumulate several more interesting but not trustworthy tight ends. I didn't end up with Logan anywhere, but if it were me I'd be deciding if he's my week 1 starter or one of the guys I'm trading in spring. There is no C.
I think this is more descriptive than predictive. I expect QB production to regress as a whole - and Rodgers with that. But I don’t see why we’d expect his production to be any more volatile than the position as a whole.
I own Mixon and really like him going forward with Burrow and the WRs they have there. We saw that Gio wasn't the answer so I think Mixon takes that 3 down back and runs with it. I don' think you will get more than what you were offered for Mixon and depends on the rest of your lineup and who may be available with that pick.
I think it's a stock market. You sell if the buyer pays enough. You buy if the seller's price is low enough.
Using the PFR fantasy position ranks as a proxy since it is an easy reference:
That's fair. But Rodgers had 51 TDs this year and still outscored a bottom of the barrel QB1 by a couple PPG. He has had huge TD seasons before and always regressed afterwards. Heck, everyone has.
His performance this season was #15 of all time, though all of the performances above him except one (Peyton 2004) occured in 1976 or earlier, most much earlier.
I tried to, I guess, buy low by offering my 2021 1.09 for him & was rejected. I would not pay two 1sts for him. Not worth it IMO. Now I wonder what other RBs I could get for two 1sts or 2021 1st & Golladay, though...
I agree a 1st is too much for him in any 1QB format I’ve played. I do think he’s solidly in the group of 8ish? QBs who won’t put you at a huge disadvantage if you start them, however. For the next couple years at least. I’d be surprised if he wasn’t a QB1 next year.
Mixon should be a substantially better play in 2021 than any rookie RB that is available in the middle of the 1st. Beyond that? We'll see, but I'm confident he will be a great option in our game for at least the next 2 seasons - through his age 26 season. The notoriously cheap Bengals are not going to actively seek out a replacement and we all saw how potent this offense could be with Joe Burrow. I think it's unlikely he (quickly!) develops into a problem beyond that 2 year window, but that's a long time from now.
Yeah I fully admit that was kind of something I was throwing out there off the top of my head, not anything I had run hard data on. I do typically use PPG when looking at these but I hadn't run the numbers.
I seem to recall Netwon/Rivera being a gold mine for an older TE named Greg Olsen.
You are correct, however, his passing has gone down hill it appears from his Greg Olsen days.
How much of it was on Newton and how much was on the lack of surrounding talent? That offense was bereft of playmakers.
Clearly there is no way to know. All I'm saying is I would not want Newton to be throwing to one of the receivers/tight ends that are on my roster for fantasy. But I could be proven wrong at some point.
The answer (emphatically) is both...the Pats skill position players are complete garbage, there is no debate about that...unfortunately Newton is done...outside of his leadership he doesn't offer much...his accuracy is awful, he has no touch and his pocket presence is subpar...I heard Tom Curran on the radio today say the Patriots offense was held hostage by him this season and I think that is dead-on...I honestly can't picture another team giving him a chance to start and it's too bad because the guy was real impressive as a person this year but man, was he bad.
I only have him in one dynasty league with good RB strength and would love to have two solid 1sts. I don't think he has a ton of buyers at cost, though.
I'm really not a buyer but it was such a cheap offer I woke up to I had to take it.Lucky you
I agree...unless you think Burrow would heavily involve him in the passing game.
To echo what I think barackdhouse was saying was I was under the impression he is in that RB1/RB2 range for most. If he's higher I'm not sure how but I do think addressing the OL is priority #1 for the Bengals this off-season with the motivation for doing so more to protect Burrow.
Similar value for
I think 2 first round rookie picks is too much for him. That’s what I was referring to with my post. I don’t see his current production as being worth two firsts.
Just for clarity. When you reference play out his contract which ends in 2021, you mean Bernard right? Because Mixon is signed through 2024.
There are a lot of teams that have been devoid of playmakers over the last few years. I can't recall one that ever had worse fantasy passing numbers come out of it. I mean Cam's passing line looks like it's from 1930. 2500 yards with 8 TDs and 10 INTs in 15 games.
Yeah I hear ya. I was saying I'd probably sell for that. Doubt I'll find it. I'll probably hold and hope for the best.
Yes indeed, remarkably bad. For comparison, of QB's that played at least 15 games since 2000 forward, Cam's passing numbers are worse than David Carr 2002, Jon Kitna 2000, Kerry Collins 2008, Brad Johnson 2006, and Vinny Testaverde 2001. The only guys who put up worse numbers are names like Kyle Boller, David Carr (again), Vince Young, Michael Vick, Mark Sanchez, Jamarcus Russell, etc.
