battlestar
Footballguy
Traded him last week for a 2022 random 2nd. He was my 5th RB in a start 2 so figured it was best to cash out.
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Fruitbat
Footballguy
foxco
Footballguy
I personally don't agree he is locked in to anything other then being part of a RBBC.
He got drafted 2.4 in a draft of mine and then some fool gave up his 2022 first for Davis, 3.3 and a 2022 4th.
-jb-
Footballguy
In a 2QB dynasty where I've notoriously run very thin at the position (Watson, Tannehill, Mayfield). The rest of my team is damn good, so interested in making a move for a Matt Ryan/Kirk Cousins type to fill the Watson void, but no idea what to offer for an interim player. For those who have picked up an older vet to tide you over, what's been the typical going rate, either from draft capital or existing RB/WR?
Mister CIA
Footballguy
I'm struggling with this one, trying to talk myself into offering Henderson to the Akers owner for Davis+. Not ready to give up on Henderson yet.
Not sure the Davis owner would accept.
jabarony
Footballguy
Probably not. I've tried trading Henderson in a few leagues. No bites. If I were the Davis owner, I would need you to add.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
You're probably right, but I'm hanging my hat on all he (Henderson) does is average 4.5 ypc. And he's 23 vs 28.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’d need to be pretty desperate at RB not to accept an offer that, although I’m not that high on the players in this draft at that range.
I'd think about Gaskin the same way I think about Davis.
If the season started tomorrow and these were the top Rb's on the depth chart how would you value them? Whatever that value is if you can get it now I'd take it because I think this can only go one direction between now and then. If you can't get what you think they would be worth if you knew for sure they are opening day starters then I'd hold unless you were trading for a specific player you valued more.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
12 team PPR. start 1 QB. Short roster limits with total of 20 players for season.
Made some small trades:
2022 3rd (late)
for
3.05
then
3.05, 3.04
for
2.08
Want to keep moving up.
What range would you think I could get in by giving up 2.08 and 2022 2nd (late)?
What if I sent 2.08, 2022 2nd (late), 2022 2nd (mid)?
Made some small trades:
2022 3rd (late)
for
3.05
then
3.05, 3.04
for
2.08
Want to keep moving up.
What range would you think I could get in by giving up 2.08 and 2022 2nd (late)?
What if I sent 2.08, 2022 2nd (late), 2022 2nd (mid)?
Won’t know until you feel out your league GMs. Get word out you’d be willing to move three 2nds to creep into the late first and see where it potentially gets you.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
yes move himdewaser said:
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
What would you all give up for either David Montgomery or Clyde Edwards-Helaire?
Do you value them differently?
I am trying to acquire one of them for Mike Evans. For some reason, I feel more comfortable for an Evans/Helaire swap straight up but feel like I am getting screwed with Evans for Montgomery.
Anyone own these guys with an opinion.
Do you value them differently?
I am trying to acquire one of them for Mike Evans. For some reason, I feel more comfortable for an Evans/Helaire swap straight up but feel like I am getting screwed with Evans for Montgomery.
Anyone own these guys with an opinion.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Appreciate the response. Cam Akers? I guess, let me rephrase - do you have a good upside RB to get for swapping Evans? Anyone you would recommend going and getting for Mike Evans?
Mike Evans has been a great player of the years but too many mouths to feed for me and I can't continue the weekly dice roll (like last season).
Boone22
Footballguy
As an owner of both Akers and Montgomery you’d have a better chance of getting Montgomery from me than Akers. Maybe I’m too bought into the hype but I wouldn’t consider moving Akers for Evan’s unless I really needed a Wr and I was getting more back in return.
Mike Evans is just not that highly valuable right now in dynasty. Montgomery is least valued of the RB's you mentioned and if you can get him I'd jump on it.
MAC_32
Footballguy
As high as anyone may be on Cam Akers his current owner is higher on him than them. In order to get a legit starting RB I think you'll need to shoot higher than Evans and if you're not willing to do that then I'd go at least a tier below Evans then shop in the Gaskin/Edmonds/Mike Davis/etc store.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
I appreciate it. This might be more about me selling Mike Evans while he has value versus acquiring a "Gaskin/Edmonds type"
I have a lot of nothing - Gibson/CMC are my starters. Melvin Gordon, Kenyan Drake, Leonard Fournette, Damien Harris, Jeff Wilson are rostered. Woof.
I have AJ Brown, Julio, Mike Evans, Diontae Johnson, Allen Robinson, Jeudy, Pittman and Lazard.
I also have 1.1, 1.2 and 1.7 - hoping for Pitts, Harris and Waddle out of that.
The team I am targeting has a lot of young RB's and nothing outside of Stephon Diggs at WR. I offered Evans for CEH straight up. Risk/Reward offer and will likely be rejected. It should get the conversation going though.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Without looking, given the current state of RB in our game I'd consider your current group one of the best in your league...especially once you've added Najee to it.
Those type (Ryan/Cousins) don't go cheap in 2 QB leagues because they are quite valuable. They have the upside of being top 5 any given week but generally won't hurt you and be at worst in the top 12-15 for the week. That is very valuable in 2QB leagues. They may not have the fun upside of the younger guys but for a championship caliber team they are great. I think you may have more luck in the next tier down of guys Dalton (if he starts), Fitzpatrick, Ben types. Either way if your league is like typical 2QB leagues any QB is very expensive.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah I agree, I don't think Evans for a RB is a must. I am on the sell Evans while you can side of this, but I like his RB corps a lot, especially with Najee. I wouldn't sell any of the RBs he mentioned for Evans and most people aren't trying to buy Evans right now, but maybe a young undervalued WR and a future pick? Otherwise I would gladly add something to Evans to close the gap to CEH. I like Montgomery but the gap shouldn't be as much.
Yes and that offer is a good place to start. Evans is still enough of a blue chip to put out there. The trick may be if this owner hates CEH because of lofty expectations from last year falling short.
az_prof
Footballguy
Team 1 gives up Elliott, Ezekiel DAL RB; Patrick, Tim DEN WR; Tonyan, Robert GBP TE
Team 2 gives up Barkley, Saquon NYG RB
I am the Barkley owner and turned this down. I do need a TE but don't see Tonyan as enough of an upgrade over Gesicki and Higbee to give up Barkley. There is some uncertainty due to Barkley's injury but I like the improvement made to the Giant's Oline and his youth and upside are better than Zeke.
Team 2 gives up Barkley, Saquon NYG RB
I am the Barkley owner and turned this down. I do need a TE but don't see Tonyan as enough of an upgrade over Gesicki and Higbee to give up Barkley. There is some uncertainty due to Barkley's injury but I like the improvement made to the Giant's Oline and his youth and upside are better than Zeke.
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Footballguy
Barkley and Zeke are pretty close in value, but you are right - I just don't value any of the other pieces he threw in to make up the difference.
joey
Footballguy
Looking at that roster, and Rookie ADP, there’s a chance that J Williams makes it to 1.7 (D Smith, Waddle and sometimes Lawrence go ahead of him in some drafts) so you might be able to grab Williams at 1.7 and "lock up" the Broncos backfield this year and beyond fwiw.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
I don't mind either scenario I have played out in my mind - leaving me with T. Lawrence, J. Waddle or J. Williams. The only situation I do not like is me getting D. Smith. I'm just not that high on him - have Waddle closer to Chase than most people, due to his speed and route running in the slot. RB always seems to go pretty heavy due to positional scarcity.
As a Barkley owner I don’t think that is particularly close at all. Patrick loses a ton of value with Sutton coming back, Tonyan wasn’t highly valued even before the Rodgers rumors. I think Zeke will bounce back but he is 2 years older, that’s a big difference in RB years.
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I would think that should be enough but I haven't seen him moved. I have been trying to go after Mattison to cuff Cook and that guy has been way unreasonable. Henderson should be harder to get since Akers isn't quite as entrenched as Cook but owners do differ on their views.
robb
Footballguy
What was the Mattison owner wanting for Cook? What made his/her offer "way unreasonable"?
One league I have Cook I own Pollard and the Elliot owner has Mattison. It's been frustrating the hell out of me for 2 years now he won't make a deal with me and this is FFPC were holding non-starting RBs is hard.
I even straight cut Mattison on a Dalvin team in another FFPC league late last year just because I'm deep at RB and knew I'd not be able to roster him at cuts. Tried to draft him back but he went 2.10, a few picks before I had a chance.
High 2nd rounder in this years draft plus serviceable player. We have had a few go arounds so some of them are muddled in my mind. The most recent was he wanted Zaveon Collins and a 2022 4th rounder for Mattison in a full IDP with tackle heavy scoring where stud LB's are very important.
wlwiles
Footballguy
I offered the 3.03 and got straight rejected. Could offer the 2.12 but with that only being 3 spots earlier not sure it'd be received any differently.
rockaction
Footballguy
I spoke too soon. I just completed a trade of Murray (Charger LB) for Mattison. I didn't think it would be accepted based on what the negotiations were going like but it was accepted. I am happy with it as I can cover the loss of Murray and my RB depth was fairly low.robb said:
robb
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Henderson also likely has more stand alone value as well. I know Akers has become the anointed one this offseason, but outside of one massive game by Akers, Henderson had as good, or better, of a season in 2020.Gally said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I offered Mattison to the Cook owner for Irv Smith and was told to never make him another offer again since my offer was so insulting - I mean I get that Cook never gets hurt but I thought it was pretty fair value.Gally said:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Guy's doing you a favor because he'd waste your time with trades if the overvalues Smith that much. It's not like you offered Mattison for Cook.
What has Irv Smith really done? Don't get me wrong I really like Smith and have him and it would take a good offer to get him from me however, that seems like a reasonable offer considering the guy has Cook. Is this a TE Premium league where Smith TE's get 4 PPR or 8 pt TD's or something?
Definitely not an insult in any way. Regardless, anybody that has a come back like that really doesn't understand what trading is about. No matter how bad an initial offer is, it still gives you info about how someone else is thinking or values players. It can get frustrating to continue to get crap offers but it does much better responding with I think Smith is a top 5 TE and that Mattison is terrible than flying off the handle like that.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It’s not TE Premium. The owner is just a grumpy old man. He’s the uncle of one of my friends. My friend asked if his cousin could join the league when we first started and the cousin brought in his dad as his partner. He’s just an obnoxious jerk generally.
His “argument” was that I was asking for a starter for a backup and pointed out some stupid CBS Sportsline fantasy article that predicted a breakout for Smith.
I agree with a breakout potential for Smith but still. TE's in a regular league are pretty equal across the board. Definitely not insult worthy. I guess you just better stay off his lawn.
ETA: I have a guy like that in my dynasty league. Anytime I ask him about a trade he jacks up the price on a guy and then he ends up trading him for a lot less to someone else. He also values players drastically different than I do which would seem like a perfect match for trades but it doesn't help. I think mainly because he doesn't trust his evaluations so he is reluctant to actually pull the trigger.
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I actually agree with everything here and his reasoning but still think his comments were overly harsh and not necessary.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I don't get why people think the Vikings offense is TE friendly. 
